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JetSet Graffiti, by Guest on Jan 28, 2010 2:17:36 GMT 1, edit: I've changed the title of this thread to be reflective of what it has strayed so far from the topic that it is no longer relevant in that context.
We were going to hold onto these "UnAmerican Graffiti" Proofs for a while, but they could do alot more good now than ever before. 100% of the profit from the sale of these prints will go to benefit Haiti Relief efforts.
Artist: D*Face Title: UnAmerican Graffiti Size: 34″ x 48″ Edition: 10 Publisher Proofs
Description: These are the ultra-rare edition of 10 proofs that were created while DFace was in Los Angeles a few months ago. Each print was painstakingly hand-pulled by the master printers at Modern Multiples.
edit: I've changed the title of this thread to be reflective of what it has strayed so far from the topic that it is no longer relevant in that context. We were going to hold onto these "UnAmerican Graffiti" Proofs for a while, but they could do alot more good now than ever before. 100% of the profit from the sale of these prints will go to benefit Haiti Relief efforts. Artist: D*Face Title: UnAmerican Graffiti Size: 34″ x 48″ Edition: 10 Publisher Proofs Description: These are the ultra-rare edition of 10 proofs that were created while DFace was in Los Angeles a few months ago. Each print was painstakingly hand-pulled by the master printers at Modern Multiples.
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JetSet Graffiti, by Guest on Jan 28, 2010 2:18:56 GMT 1, Sorry, here's the link:
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JetSet Graffiti, by blitsu on Jan 28, 2010 2:20:51 GMT 1, 100% of what? The gross or net? 'Cos anyone can make fuck all net, after expenses, consultancy, post, handling etc. And you don't exactly have a lily white rep, eh?
100% of what? The gross or net? 'Cos anyone can make fuck all net, after expenses, consultancy, post, handling etc. And you don't exactly have a lily white rep, eh?
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JetSet Graffiti, by Guest on Jan 28, 2010 2:29:59 GMT 1, 100% of what? The gross or net? 'Cos anyone can make f**k all net, after expenses, consultancy, post, handling etc. And you don't exactly have a lily white rep, eh?
The Donation will be recorded and publicly accessible through the organization to whom we donate. We are donating to the International Medical Corps for their work in providing aid to Haiti.
To be clear in answering your question, we define Profit as anything beyond actual materials and labor cost in manufacturing the print. Nobody is making money on this for "expenses, consultancy, post, handling, etc..."
Please be more constructive with your comments. Thanks.
100% of what? The gross or net? 'Cos anyone can make f**k all net, after expenses, consultancy, post, handling etc. And you don't exactly have a lily white rep, eh? The Donation will be recorded and publicly accessible through the organization to whom we donate. We are donating to the International Medical Corps for their work in providing aid to Haiti. To be clear in answering your question, we define Profit as anything beyond actual materials and labor cost in manufacturing the print. Nobody is making money on this for "expenses, consultancy, post, handling, etc..." Please be more constructive with your comments. Thanks.
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JetSet Graffiti, by blitsu on Jan 28, 2010 2:37:54 GMT 1, Sorry, missed the bit where you answered my question.
Gross
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net?
Just to clear it up, eh?
And so I'm clear in what I mean - will you be giving 10 x sales cost to charity?
Sorry, missed the bit where you answered my question.
Gross
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net?
Just to clear it up, eh?
And so I'm clear in what I mean - will you be giving 10 x sales cost to charity?
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JetSet Graffiti, by Guest on Jan 28, 2010 2:46:02 GMT 1, Sorry, missed the bit where you answered my question. Gross or net? Just to clear it up, eh? And so I'm clear in what I mean - will you be giving 10 x sales cost to charity?
We are not looking to justify your approval, so please take it elsewhere. Yes, all 10 prints are donated.
Sorry, missed the bit where you answered my question. Gross or net? Just to clear it up, eh? And so I'm clear in what I mean - will you be giving 10 x sales cost to charity? We are not looking to justify your approval, so please take it elsewhere. Yes, all 10 prints are donated.
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JetSet Graffiti, by blitsu on Jan 28, 2010 2:52:26 GMT 1, Sorry, missed the bit where you answered my question. Gross or net? Just to clear it up, eh? And so I'm clear in what I mean - will you be giving 10 x sales cost to charity? We are not looking to justify your approval, so please take it elsewhere. Yes, all 10 prints are donated.
You still haven't answered the question.
Why won't you answer the question. I don't doubt all ten prints are donated. What I do doubt is that ten x the gross sales proceeds will be going to charity.
So, to help you along, one word answer - will you be donating the sales price x ten to the charity? (ie - if they cost, say, ยฃ500 each, the donation would be ยฃ5,000)
yes
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No?
Sorry, missed the bit where you answered my question. Gross or net? Just to clear it up, eh? And so I'm clear in what I mean - will you be giving 10 x sales cost to charity? We are not looking to justify your approval, so please take it elsewhere. Yes, all 10 prints are donated. You still haven't answered the question. Why won't you answer the question. I don't doubt all ten prints are donated. What I do doubt is that ten x the gross sales proceeds will be going to charity. So, to help you along, one word answer - will you be donating the sales price x ten to the charity? (ie - if they cost, say, ยฃ500 each, the donation would be ยฃ5,000) yes or No?
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JetSet Graffiti, by Guest on Jan 28, 2010 3:07:59 GMT 1, Dude, chill out. I've been very clear. 100% of Profit, NOT Sales.
Something tells me you aren't interested in supporting the effort anyways, and that's OK too.
Dude, chill out. I've been very clear. 100% of Profit, NOT Sales.
Something tells me you aren't interested in supporting the effort anyways, and that's OK too.
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JetSet Graffiti, by cadeallaw on Jan 28, 2010 3:19:35 GMT 1, Great idea Dan
Great idea Dan
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JetSet Graffiti, by howies on Jan 28, 2010 3:27:54 GMT 1, Jeez Blitsu what are you donating? get of your high ground and try and see some good in this.
well done Jetset another generous gift for the people of Haiti.
Jeez Blitsu what are you donating? get of your high ground and try and see some good in this.
well done Jetset another generous gift for the people of Haiti.
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JetSet Graffiti, by Drymounted on Jan 28, 2010 4:15:22 GMT 1, Good to see you guys getting into the giving spirit. Great prints with some nice #'s going to the effort. Cheers!
Good to see you guys getting into the giving spirit. Great prints with some nice #'s going to the effort. Cheers!
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JetSet Graffiti, by Gentle Mental on Jan 28, 2010 5:11:02 GMT 1, only $500!
For one of Dface's best! (better than most BRP's releases)
Really this image is so much more than it looks.
D's strength is making something so hard to achieve look so easy and beautiful.
Well done mr Jetset! Well done mr D!
only $500!
For one of Dface's best! (better than most BRP's releases)
Really this image is so much more than it looks.
D's strength is making something so hard to achieve look so easy and beautiful.
Well done mr Jetset! Well done mr D!
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JetSet Graffiti, by Gentle Mental on Jan 28, 2010 5:39:35 GMT 1, those on the fence about Choe and now missed out...
don't double "DOH!" on this one.
those on the fence about Choe and now missed out...
don't double "DOH!" on this one.
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JetSet Graffiti, by fielder on Jan 28, 2010 8:24:13 GMT 1, Nice one Daniel. Blitsu, stop being a dick. Like howies said - what are you donating?
Nice one Daniel. Blitsu, stop being a dick. Like howies said - what are you donating?
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JetSet Graffiti, by stradled on Jan 28, 2010 9:25:54 GMT 1, How much was the original release? - Looks great and great cause. Nice one.
How much was the original release? - Looks great and great cause. Nice one.
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JetSet Graffiti, by Natas on Jan 28, 2010 9:36:03 GMT 1, Well done JSG
Well done JSG
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JetSet Graffiti, by Photoxtc on Jan 28, 2010 9:44:43 GMT 1, How much was the original release? - Looks great and great cause. Nice one.
exactly the same $500
How much was the original release? - Looks great and great cause. Nice one. exactly the same $500
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JetSet Graffiti, by schlomo on Jan 28, 2010 10:44:32 GMT 1, Nicely done JSG and D*.
Great to see people trying to raise money like this, top stuff.
Nicely done JSG and D*.
Great to see people trying to raise money like this, top stuff.
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JetSet Graffiti, by spirit on Jan 28, 2010 11:00:41 GMT 1, While I applaud JSG and D for making an effort to do something for Haiti, I do think that clarity and transparency are essential when you are marketing something where part of the proceeds are going to charity. As far as I can tell, JSG have said that 100% of the "profit" from these prints is going to Haiti, without giving any idea of how much that might be.
So as a buyer, you have no idea of how much of your $500 is actually going towards that cause - it might be a little, it might be a lot. Compare this with the Josh Keyes release for example where you can see exactly how much of your purchase money is going to charity along with a running total of the amount raised.
I would much prefer to see something transparent like "$100 from each print" or whatever than something opaque like "100% of profit".
Just MO of course...
While I applaud JSG and D for making an effort to do something for Haiti, I do think that clarity and transparency are essential when you are marketing something where part of the proceeds are going to charity. As far as I can tell, JSG have said that 100% of the "profit" from these prints is going to Haiti, without giving any idea of how much that might be.
So as a buyer, you have no idea of how much of your $500 is actually going towards that cause - it might be a little, it might be a lot. Compare this with the Josh Keyes release for example where you can see exactly how much of your purchase money is going to charity along with a running total of the amount raised.
I would much prefer to see something transparent like "$100 from each print" or whatever than something opaque like "100% of profit".
Just MO of course...
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JetSet Graffiti, by love on Jan 28, 2010 11:21:08 GMT 1, What am i missing? Jetset told us that they donated 10 Prints and that 100% of profit going to haiti. So where's the problem? Why are bitching arround like pupils?
What am i missing? Jetset told us that they donated 10 Prints and that 100% of profit going to haiti. So where's the problem? Why are bitching arround like pupils?
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JetSet Graffiti, by spirit on Jan 28, 2010 11:42:54 GMT 1, What am i missing? Jetset told us that they donated 10 Prints and that 100% of profit going to haiti. So where's the problem? Why are b**ching arround like pupils?
The problem is that "100% of profit" is meaningless unless you know how much the profit is from each print - it could be $1 or $499 or anywhere in between. If you were spending $500 on this print because it was benefitting Haiti, wouldn't you like to know how much of your $500 was actually going to Haiti? Is a little clarity really too much to ask for?
What am i missing? Jetset told us that they donated 10 Prints and that 100% of profit going to haiti. So where's the problem? Why are b**ching arround like pupils? The problem is that "100% of profit" is meaningless unless you know how much the profit is from each print - it could be $1 or $499 or anywhere in between. If you were spending $500 on this print because it was benefitting Haiti, wouldn't you like to know how much of your $500 was actually going to Haiti? Is a little clarity really too much to ask for?
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JetSet Graffiti, by Deleted on Jan 28, 2010 11:50:52 GMT 1, Cos without the transparency more eloquently sought by Spirit you don't know (as a proposed buyer therefore donator) how much of your money is going to Charity.
With this information you can make an informed decision whether to buy the print or just give directly to the very deserving cause.
It's the same scenario when you donate, for example, to Oxfam. How much of your ยฃ1 goes to the people on the street, and what % is used by paid employees to shuffle paper round a desk?
JSG could easily clear this one up - but don't want to publicly as this would reveal their net profit margin......alternatively they could make a grander gesture and give 100% of gross sales.
Cos without the transparency more eloquently sought by Spirit you don't know (as a proposed buyer therefore donator) how much of your money is going to Charity.
With this information you can make an informed decision whether to buy the print or just give directly to the very deserving cause.
It's the same scenario when you donate, for example, to Oxfam. How much of your ยฃ1 goes to the people on the street, and what % is used by paid employees to shuffle paper round a desk?
JSG could easily clear this one up - but don't want to publicly as this would reveal their net profit margin......alternatively they could make a grander gesture and give 100% of gross sales.
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JetSet Graffiti, by Nico on Jan 28, 2010 13:58:58 GMT 1, Give the guy a break...ffs, each time he appears, he gets shit. Great cause, well done JSG.
Give the guy a break...ffs, each time he appears, he gets shit. Great cause, well done JSG.
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JetSet Graffiti, by Gentle Mental on Jan 28, 2010 14:32:21 GMT 1, yes. if you like the print. buy it. if you don't like the idea that only profit goes to haiti and want to donate to haiti 100% than don't buy it, give $500 to haiti direct.
applause to JS and D for doing something they don't really have to, but were truly generous enough to.
well done JS and D!
yes. if you like the print. buy it. if you don't like the idea that only profit goes to haiti and want to donate to haiti 100% than don't buy it, give $500 to haiti direct.
applause to JS and D for doing something they don't really have to, but were truly generous enough to.
well done JS and D!
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JetSet Graffiti, by schlomo on Jan 28, 2010 14:56:07 GMT 1, yes. if you like the print. buy it. if you don't like the idea that only profit goes to haiti and want to donate to haiti 100% than don't buy it, give $500 to haiti direct. applause to JS and D for doing something they don't really have to, but were truly generous enough to. well done JS and D!
wot he said.
yes. if you like the print. buy it. if you don't like the idea that only profit goes to haiti and want to donate to haiti 100% than don't buy it, give $500 to haiti direct. applause to JS and D for doing something they don't really have to, but were truly generous enough to. well done JS and D! wot he said.
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JetSet Graffiti, by European Bob on Jan 28, 2010 15:36:29 GMT 1, have nothing bad to say about jsg, my girl bought me unamerican graffiti as a surprise for my bday. print arrived safe and sound, well protected in a massive tube. The print is absolutely stunning, its at the framers and will post pics once back. if you are undecided about the print i cant explain how vibrant and amazing this print is, and helping such a needed cause.
well done jestset
bob
have nothing bad to say about jsg, my girl bought me unamerican graffiti as a surprise for my bday. print arrived safe and sound, well protected in a massive tube. The print is absolutely stunning, its at the framers and will post pics once back. if you are undecided about the print i cant explain how vibrant and amazing this print is, and helping such a needed cause.
well done jestset
bob
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JetSet Graffiti, by baileymontana on Jan 28, 2010 16:28:33 GMT 1, Cos without the transparency more eloquently sought by Spirit you don't know (as a proposed buyer therefore donator) how much of your money is going to Charity. With this information you can make an informed decision whether to buy the print or just give directly to the very deserving cause. It's the same scenario when you donate, for example, to Oxfam. How much of your ยฃ1 goes to the people on the street, and what % is used by paid employees to shuffle paper round a desk? JSG could easily clear this one up - but don't want to publicly as this would reveal their net profit margin......alternatively they could make a grander gesture and give 100% of gross sales.
What he said.
Do agree the David Choe and Josh Keyes are crystal clear on what percentage you give is going to charity.
Not really a witch hunt on JSG, have just noticed that JSG gets really defensive when it comes to charity comments after the Bethlehem Ghetto print he sold for charity, minus his commission for his expenses.
Don't forget you can donate direct to the charities in Haiti too. Hope most people here do feel like donating direct too and don't need something of potential value in exchange for a donation. If you donate direct to the charities, you can be sure less of your $500 will be taken out for "print expenses". Which is why the David Choe print IMO was real charity print as he took the hit on costs of printing....you really have to commend that.
"Big up" anyone doing sales with profits going to charity but just be transparent with what you are donating to the charity IMO.
Cos without the transparency more eloquently sought by Spirit you don't know (as a proposed buyer therefore donator) how much of your money is going to Charity. With this information you can make an informed decision whether to buy the print or just give directly to the very deserving cause. It's the same scenario when you donate, for example, to Oxfam. How much of your ยฃ1 goes to the people on the street, and what % is used by paid employees to shuffle paper round a desk? JSG could easily clear this one up - but don't want to publicly as this would reveal their net profit margin......alternatively they could make a grander gesture and give 100% of gross sales. What he said. Do agree the David Choe and Josh Keyes are crystal clear on what percentage you give is going to charity. Not really a witch hunt on JSG, have just noticed that JSG gets really defensive when it comes to charity comments after the Bethlehem Ghetto print he sold for charity, minus his commission for his expenses. Don't forget you can donate direct to the charities in Haiti too. Hope most people here do feel like donating direct too and don't need something of potential value in exchange for a donation. If you donate direct to the charities, you can be sure less of your $500 will be taken out for "print expenses". Which is why the David Choe print IMO was real charity print as he took the hit on costs of printing....you really have to commend that. "Big up" anyone doing sales with profits going to charity but just be transparent with what you are donating to the charity IMO.
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JetSet Graffiti, by blitsu on Jan 28, 2010 16:32:32 GMT 1, I think Spirit and Lurkersutd understand my point.
The Choe print clearly states 100% of proceeds go to Haiti.
JSG say 100% of profit less production and labour costs. I wonder what the production and labour cost is? Lets hope, for Haiti, it wasn't pulled on a Sunday and double time paid.
So, to repeat myself, how much from each goes to charity? And why, oh why, oh why won't you answer that question? A cynic might think that is a reflection on your personal integrity. But, you don't worry too much about that, do you?
Edit - Bailey montana just made the same point whilst I was writing this.
I think Spirit and Lurkersutd understand my point.
The Choe print clearly states 100% of proceeds go to Haiti.
JSG say 100% of profit less production and labour costs. I wonder what the production and labour cost is? Lets hope, for Haiti, it wasn't pulled on a Sunday and double time paid.
So, to repeat myself, how much from each goes to charity? And why, oh why, oh why won't you answer that question? A cynic might think that is a reflection on your personal integrity. But, you don't worry too much about that, do you?
Edit - Bailey montana just made the same point whilst I was writing this.
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JetSet Graffiti, by alexiocowabunga on Jan 28, 2010 16:49:00 GMT 1, I think Spirit and Lurkersutd understand my point. The Choe print clearly states 100% of proceeds go to Haiti. JSG say 100% of profit less production and labour costs. I wonder what the production and labour cost is? Lets hope, for Haiti, it wasn't pulled on a Sunday and double time paid. So, to repeat myself, how much from each goes to charity? And why, oh why, oh why won't you answer that question? A cynic might think that is a reflection on your personal integrity. But, you don't worry too much about that, do you? Edit - Bailey montana just made the same point whilst I was writing this.
Well Blitsu your question I can imagine on JSGs part is understood, I can also imagine that they are probably working around this time of day and don't have all day to look at forums like you and me. So firstly I doubt you have to really ask these questions so rudely, I am sure they will get back to you in good time if they want to.
JSG does not have to advertise on this forum for people to buy work, everyone can see for themselves what a quality piece of artwork the unamerican graffiti is, it will sell out on it's own accord and from reports it seems that JSG do a rather good job on delivering these prints. You might have the odd exception but that goes just as well for anybody else, it does not help also that they are located in the states, but I am pretty sure that certain things do go wrong when you start throwing in borders.
I also think it is very kind that JSG and D* have done this, they could have easily have kept the profit, they are after all running a business, it might not be the 100% compared to Keyes and Choe but I trust that they are doing everything they can.
I think Spirit and Lurkersutd understand my point. The Choe print clearly states 100% of proceeds go to Haiti. JSG say 100% of profit less production and labour costs. I wonder what the production and labour cost is? Lets hope, for Haiti, it wasn't pulled on a Sunday and double time paid. So, to repeat myself, how much from each goes to charity? And why, oh why, oh why won't you answer that question? A cynic might think that is a reflection on your personal integrity. But, you don't worry too much about that, do you? Edit - Bailey montana just made the same point whilst I was writing this. Well Blitsu your question I can imagine on JSGs part is understood, I can also imagine that they are probably working around this time of day and don't have all day to look at forums like you and me. So firstly I doubt you have to really ask these questions so rudely, I am sure they will get back to you in good time if they want to. JSG does not have to advertise on this forum for people to buy work, everyone can see for themselves what a quality piece of artwork the unamerican graffiti is, it will sell out on it's own accord and from reports it seems that JSG do a rather good job on delivering these prints. You might have the odd exception but that goes just as well for anybody else, it does not help also that they are located in the states, but I am pretty sure that certain things do go wrong when you start throwing in borders. I also think it is very kind that JSG and D* have done this, they could have easily have kept the profit, they are after all running a business, it might not be the 100% compared to Keyes and Choe but I trust that they are doing everything they can.
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JetSet Graffiti, by BK83 on Jan 28, 2010 17:36:08 GMT 1, Wow. Unbelievable responses here. Honestly shocked. JSG and D* don't HAVE to donate anything to Haiti on the back of this print - it would sell out regardless if the profit was going to JSG and D* or if (as it is) going to Haiti. Why get on your high horse about it?! You should applaud the fact that JSG and D* are doing something positive. Absolutely ridiculous reaction here, and completely uncalled for.
Well done JSG and D*
Wow. Unbelievable responses here. Honestly shocked. JSG and D* don't HAVE to donate anything to Haiti on the back of this print - it would sell out regardless if the profit was going to JSG and D* or if (as it is) going to Haiti. Why get on your high horse about it?! You should applaud the fact that JSG and D* are doing something positive. Absolutely ridiculous reaction here, and completely uncalled for.
Well done JSG and D*
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