Shoot Again
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POW invaders now available, by Shoot Again on Mar 30, 2013 11:57:03 GMT 1, I hear you, and see where you're coming from, but I do think VIPs are less likely to flip- not least because if u flip ull be off that VIP list pretty damn quick. It also partly depends on your definition of flipping? Buying to sell in a day/ week / month / year? At what point does investing turn to flipping?
I hear you, and see where you're coming from, but I do think VIPs are less likely to flip- not least because if u flip ull be off that VIP list pretty damn quick. It also partly depends on your definition of flipping? Buying to sell in a day/ week / month / year? At what point does investing turn to flipping? "VIPs" just wait a bit longer to sell back (not to be taken off that list...) ;-) I came across more White CYW recently than I ever expected I would, just not on this Forum... |
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chaturz
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POW invaders now available, by chaturz on Mar 30, 2013 11:59:59 GMT 1, I understand your point however I disagree. VIP lists at places like POW have nothing to do with genuine collectors unlike artists who sometimes vet the clients before selling original work. The galleries dont know the "VIPs" on a personal basis in general, they are just a group of people who either a) have been buying for years or b) have spent large sums of cash. This does not stop flipping, and all fliping does not go on on ebay and this forum alone (though there is currently a red CYW on fleabay). There are people selling the prints you speak of, they just don't advertise openly, you have to ask around and know people within the networks to either find the work or spread the word. Also these systems stop newer fans getting in and purchasing items at the base level, and largely only benefit "art investors". That being said its their product and they can sell it how they wish, just a shame I wont get one  It's got to be said across your posts theres a bunch of assumptions I could correct with the truth, there's some odd definitions , but mainly there's just envy which has loaded your judgement.
As for my "assumptions" and what you are referring to as the "truth", I can only make judgements based upon my personal interactions / conversations with the staff and other members on this forum as well as collectors outside of this forum. My views / opinions may not be the same as yours and it may be down to the the fact your interactions and the way you're treated has been different based on a history you have with them. I suppose point that I'm trying to make is that its not an even playing field IMO, and I stress IMO, but in fact there is a lot of disparity between how we are all treated. But thats life and as I previously stated although i don't like or agree with it, I respect the fact that the people who produce these items are free to do what they wish the them. We all have our opinions on fair distribution systems but there is no ideal solution from what I've seen. In any case Deputydawg i would love to hear your opinions via a pm or chat and maybe Ill learn something new or maybe Ill disagree. As stated Im not envious of not having a print its not being allowed to try and get it should I wish to which seems a bit unfair but yet again Im not losing sleep or getting angry over it. In any case I hope i may have clarified some of my comments and not come across as too much of a douche.
I understand your point however I disagree. VIP lists at places like POW have nothing to do with genuine collectors unlike artists who sometimes vet the clients before selling original work. The galleries dont know the "VIPs" on a personal basis in general, they are just a group of people who either a) have been buying for years or b) have spent large sums of cash. This does not stop flipping, and all fliping does not go on on ebay and this forum alone (though there is currently a red CYW on fleabay). There are people selling the prints you speak of, they just don't advertise openly, you have to ask around and know people within the networks to either find the work or spread the word. Also these systems stop newer fans getting in and purchasing items at the base level, and largely only benefit "art investors". That being said its their product and they can sell it how they wish, just a shame I wont get one It's got to be said across your posts theres a bunch of assumptions I could correct with the truth, there's some odd definitions , but mainly there's just envy which has loaded your judgement. Envy is a strong word isn't it? I mean it would be nice to have it and put it up near the silver invasion but Im not getting too worked up about it, or at least I don't think I am? As for my "assumptions" and what you are referring to as the "truth", I can only make judgements based upon my personal interactions / conversations with the staff and other members on this forum as well as collectors outside of this forum. My views / opinions may not be the same as yours and it may be down to the the fact your interactions and the way you're treated has been different based on a history you have with them. I suppose point that I'm trying to make is that its not an even playing field IMO, and I stress IMO, but in fact there is a lot of disparity between how we are all treated. But thats life and as I previously stated although i don't like or agree with it, I respect the fact that the people who produce these items are free to do what they wish the them. We all have our opinions on fair distribution systems but there is no ideal solution from what I've seen. In any case Deputydawg i would love to hear your opinions via a pm or chat and maybe Ill learn something new or maybe Ill disagree. As stated Im not envious of not having a print its not being allowed to try and get it should I wish to which seems a bit unfair but yet again Im not losing sleep or getting angry over it. In any case I hope i may have clarified some of my comments and not come across as too much of a douche. |
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naughtyshorty
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POW invaders now available, by naughtyshorty on Mar 30, 2013 13:06:40 GMT 1, I hear you, and see where you're coming from, but I do think VIPs are less likely to flip- not least because if u flip ull be off that VIP list pretty damn quick. It also partly depends on your definition of flipping? Buying to sell in a day/ week / month / year? At what point does investing turn to flipping? "VIPs" just wait a bit longer to sell back (not to be taken off that list...) ;-) I came across more White CYW recently than I ever expected I would, just not on this Forum...
Man, this forum loves to get heated quickly! And there's not even free range to blame any more!!
Re the white cyw's, as I said, it depends on your definition of flipping and at what point does someone selling constitute a flip. My own personal view is someone selling on in pretty close to receiving the print in the first place. Out of interest, where did u get offered the white cyw's?
I hear you, and see where you're coming from, but I do think VIPs are less likely to flip- not least because if u flip ull be off that VIP list pretty damn quick. It also partly depends on your definition of flipping? Buying to sell in a day/ week / month / year? At what point does investing turn to flipping? "VIPs" just wait a bit longer to sell back (not to be taken off that list...) ;-) I came across more White CYW recently than I ever expected I would, just not on this Forum... Man, this forum loves to get heated quickly! And there's not even free range to blame any more!! Re the white cyw's, as I said, it depends on your definition of flipping and at what point does someone selling constitute a flip. My own personal view is someone selling on in pretty close to receiving the print in the first place. Out of interest, where did u get offered the white cyw's? |
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chaturz
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POW invaders now available, by chaturz on Mar 30, 2013 13:11:14 GMT 1, Man, this forum loves to get heated quickly! And there's not even free range to blame any more!!
PS shoot is the man, ill be putting a pic up soon on the latest art buy that I think you might like G
Man, this forum loves to get heated quickly! And there's not even free range to blame any more!! That made me chuckle! PS shoot is the man, ill be putting a pic up soon on the latest art buy that I think you might like G |
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iamzero
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POW invaders now available, by iamzero on Mar 30, 2013 13:26:39 GMT 1, Fine line on flipping as mention here many times before. Never sold anything before but I've just this week got through a Cope2 print that I took a punt on and am really unsure on now. If I sell it does that make me a flipper, maybe only if I sell it for an inflated price. But then if the market dictates the print to be worth more than cost already then I would be a fool to not take the extra money no? But then really a flipper is defined as someone that only intended to buy a print to make a profit which I genuinely had/ have no intention of.
Tough call. VIP lists are not a level playing field though along with F5 grabbing program's, every selling method has its flaws that are potentially open to manipulation.
Fine line on flipping as mention here many times before. Never sold anything before but I've just this week got through a Cope2 print that I took a punt on and am really unsure on now. If I sell it does that make me a flipper, maybe only if I sell it for an inflated price. But then if the market dictates the print to be worth more than cost already then I would be a fool to not take the extra money no? But then really a flipper is defined as someone that only intended to buy a print to make a profit which I genuinely had/ have no intention of.
Tough call. VIP lists are not a level playing field though along with F5 grabbing program's, every selling method has its flaws that are potentially open to manipulation.
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mouser
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POW invaders now available, by mouser on Mar 30, 2013 14:03:30 GMT 1, Its a personal thing really, those who buy to flip are not bothered about it, they buy to sell, not to collect. That to me is the definition of a flipper, irregardless of time, if someone buys a piece with the true intention of keeping it then its not an issue, its those whose sole purpose in buying a print is to sell on at a profit defines them as a flipper.
But as ever you will get those who aim to deceive, but with no true evidence we can only take someone word on their intention. Once someone regularly and repeatedly buys a piece they love and then offer it up for sale within a couple of weeks you do start to notice a patern.
Its a personal thing really, those who buy to flip are not bothered about it, they buy to sell, not to collect. That to me is the definition of a flipper, irregardless of time, if someone buys a piece with the true intention of keeping it then its not an issue, its those whose sole purpose in buying a print is to sell on at a profit defines them as a flipper.
But as ever you will get those who aim to deceive, but with no true evidence we can only take someone word on their intention. Once someone regularly and repeatedly buys a piece they love and then offer it up for sale within a couple of weeks you do start to notice a patern.
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alittle
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POW invaders now available, by alittle on Mar 30, 2013 14:31:55 GMT 1, I don't mind an artist, gallery or print house rewarding their long-term or high value customers with more exclusive items. Not everything has to or should be be equal opportunity.
As for flippers, while I don't like paying aftermarket prices, I'd reckon they would be worse if only "true" fans were the ones that scored on drops. When a piece means nothing to someone, as it does for a flipper, generally they are willing to part with it at a lower price than if it were a piece that someone truly loved. The art is not tied to emotion for them, and the goal is to make a quick buck.
I don't mind an artist, gallery or print house rewarding their long-term or high value customers with more exclusive items. Not everything has to or should be be equal opportunity.
As for flippers, while I don't like paying aftermarket prices, I'd reckon they would be worse if only "true" fans were the ones that scored on drops. When a piece means nothing to someone, as it does for a flipper, generally they are willing to part with it at a lower price than if it were a piece that someone truly loved. The art is not tied to emotion for them, and the goal is to make a quick buck.
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alittle
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POW invaders now available, by alittle on Mar 30, 2013 15:08:15 GMT 1, You know, there is a special forum for that kind of thing.
on edit: The post above mine I was referring to has been moved or deleted.
You know, there is a special forum for that kind of thing.
on edit: The post above mine I was referring to has been moved or deleted.
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Shoot Again
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POW invaders now available, by Shoot Again on Mar 30, 2013 16:14:30 GMT 1, "VIPs" just wait a bit longer to sell back (not to be taken off that list...) ;-) I came across more White CYW recently than I ever expected I would, just not on this Forum... Man, this forum loves to get heated quickly! And there's not even free range to blame any more!! Re the white cyw's, as I said, it depends on your definition of flipping and at what point does someone selling constitute a flip. My own personal view is someone selling on in pretty close to receiving the print in the first place. Out of interest, where did u get offered the white cyw's?
"VIPs" just wait a bit longer to sell back (not to be taken off that list...) ;-) I came across more White CYW recently than I ever expected I would, just not on this Forum... Man, this forum loves to get heated quickly! And there's not even free range to blame any more!! Re the white cyw's, as I said, it depends on your definition of flipping and at what point does someone selling constitute a flip. My own personal view is someone selling on in pretty close to receiving the print in the first place. Out of interest, where did u get offered the white cyw's? I don't know where you felt anybody got "heated", I certainly didn't ! No issue with VIP list with me. All I said was that in the case of white CYW some VIPs just seem to have waited a bit longer to sell back (didn't write "flipped"), which they have to (if they want to stay on that list...) My point was to say that I was surprised to bump onto so many white CYW so easily while I expected them to be cherished forever, nothing more, nothing less ;-) As to "where from", just several galleries in NY where I travelled recently... |
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POW invaders now available, by Sweetcorn on Mar 30, 2013 16:48:12 GMT 1, Man, this forum loves to get heated quickly! And there's not even free range to blame any more!! Re the white cyw's, as I said, it depends on your definition of flipping and at what point does someone selling constitute a flip. My own personal view is someone selling on in pretty close to receiving the print in the first place. Out of interest, where did u get offered the white cyw's? I don't know where you felt anybody got "heated", I certainly didn't ! No issue with VIP list with me. All I said was that in the case of white CYW some VIPs just seem to have waited a bit longer to sell back (didn't write "flipped"), which they have to (if they want to stay on that list...) My point was to say that I was surprised to bump onto so many white CYW so easily while I expected them to be cherished forever, nothing more, nothing less ;-) As to "where from", just several galleries in NY where I travelled recently...
Pics or you never saw them.
Man, this forum loves to get heated quickly! And there's not even free range to blame any more!! Re the white cyw's, as I said, it depends on your definition of flipping and at what point does someone selling constitute a flip. My own personal view is someone selling on in pretty close to receiving the print in the first place. Out of interest, where did u get offered the white cyw's? I don't know where you felt anybody got "heated", I certainly didn't ! No issue with VIP list with me. All I said was that in the case of white CYW some VIPs just seem to have waited a bit longer to sell back (didn't write "flipped"), which they have to (if they want to stay on that list...) My point was to say that I was surprised to bump onto so many white CYW so easily while I expected them to be cherished forever, nothing more, nothing less ;-) As to "where from", just several galleries in NY where I travelled recently... Pics or you never saw them. |
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POW invaders now available, by mmmike on Mar 30, 2013 17:39:09 GMT 1, Man, this forum loves to get heated quickly! And there's not even free range to blame any more!! Re the white cyw's, as I said, it depends on your definition of flipping and at what point does someone selling constitute a flip. My own personal view is someone selling on in pretty close to receiving the print in the first place. Out of interest, where did u get offered the white cyw's? I don't know where you felt anybody got "heated", I certainly didn't ! No issue with VIP list with me. All I said was that in the case of white CYW some VIPs just seem to have waited a bit longer to sell back (didn't write "flipped"), which they have to (if they want to stay on that list...) My point was to say that I was surprised to bump onto so many white CYW so easily while I expected them to be cherished forever, nothing more, nothing less ;-) As to "where from", just several galleries in NY where I travelled recently...
Man, this forum loves to get heated quickly! And there's not even free range to blame any more!! Re the white cyw's, as I said, it depends on your definition of flipping and at what point does someone selling constitute a flip. My own personal view is someone selling on in pretty close to receiving the print in the first place. Out of interest, where did u get offered the white cyw's? I don't know where you felt anybody got "heated", I certainly didn't ! No issue with VIP list with me. All I said was that in the case of white CYW some VIPs just seem to have waited a bit longer to sell back (didn't write "flipped"), which they have to (if they want to stay on that list...) My point was to say that I was surprised to bump onto so many white CYW so easily while I expected them to be cherished forever, nothing more, nothing less ;-) As to "where from", just several galleries in NY where I travelled recently... How much were they? I'd love one but I'm too cheap. I wouldn't even pay the prices people are talking about for the normal colours. Are the white ones also from an edition of 25? |
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naughtyshorty
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POW invaders now available, by naughtyshorty on Mar 30, 2013 22:13:02 GMT 1, Man, this forum loves to get heated quickly! And there's not even free range to blame any more!! Re the white cyw's, as I said, it depends on your definition of flipping and at what point does someone selling constitute a flip. My own personal view is someone selling on in pretty close to receiving the print in the first place. Out of interest, where did u get offered the white cyw's? I don't know where you felt anybody got "heated", I certainly didn't ! No issue with VIP list with me. All I said was that in the case of white CYW some VIPs just seem to have waited a bit longer to sell back (didn't write "flipped"), which they have to (if they want to stay on that list...) My point was to say that I was surprised to bump onto so many white CYW so easily while I expected them to be cherished forever, nothing more, nothing less ;-) As to "where from", just several galleries in NY where I travelled recently...ย
Wasn't meaning you got heated dude, I was meaning the posts before you!
Man this forum gets heated sometimes! ;-)
Man, this forum loves to get heated quickly! And there's not even free range to blame any more!! Re the white cyw's, as I said, it depends on your definition of flipping and at what point does someone selling constitute a flip. My own personal view is someone selling on in pretty close to receiving the print in the first place. Out of interest, where did u get offered the white cyw's? I don't know where you felt anybody got "heated", I certainly didn't ! No issue with VIP list with me. All I said was that in the case of white CYW some VIPs just seem to have waited a bit longer to sell back (didn't write "flipped"), which they have to (if they want to stay on that list...) My point was to say that I was surprised to bump onto so many white CYW so easily while I expected them to be cherished forever, nothing more, nothing less ;-) As to "where from", just several galleries in NY where I travelled recently...ย Wasn't meaning you got heated dude, I was meaning the posts before you! Man this forum gets heated sometimes! ;-) |
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POW invaders now available, by .dappy on Mar 30, 2013 22:51:16 GMT 1,
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naughtyshorty
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POW invaders now available, by naughtyshorty on Mar 31, 2013 2:36:36 GMT 1, Ha ha- love it!
Ha ha- love it!
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Shoot Again
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POW invaders now available, by Shoot Again on Mar 31, 2013 5:38:17 GMT 1, I don't know where you felt anybody got "heated", I certainly didn't ! No issue with VIP list with me. All I said was that in the case of white CYW some VIPs just seem to have waited a bit longer to sell back (didn't write "flipped"), which they have to (if they want to stay on that list...) My point was to say that I was surprised to bump onto so many white CYW so easily while I expected them to be cherished forever, nothing more, nothing less ;-) As to "where from", just several galleries in NY where I travelled recently... Pics or you never saw them.
I don't know where you felt anybody got "heated", I certainly didn't ! No issue with VIP list with me. All I said was that in the case of white CYW some VIPs just seem to have waited a bit longer to sell back (didn't write "flipped"), which they have to (if they want to stay on that list...) My point was to say that I was surprised to bump onto so many white CYW so easily while I expected them to be cherished forever, nothing more, nothing less ;-) As to "where from", just several galleries in NY where I travelled recently... Pics or you never saw them. Only pics and exchanges via emails after contact established visiting the gallery... never seen them in the flesh... |
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Shoot Again
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POW invaders now available, by Shoot Again on Mar 31, 2013 14:39:31 GMT 1, I know Harveyn was looking for a white CYW if you have a lead might want to pm him 
I know Harveyn was looking for a white CYW if you have a lead might want to pm him I wouldn't worry too much about Harveyn, he's always one step ahead, at least ahead of me ! ;-) |
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POW invaders now available, by cbjornson on Apr 2, 2013 19:26:50 GMT 1, Arrived stateside yesterday. No tape on the endcaps.
Probably going to be a few damaged prints if this was the case for everyone.
Arrived stateside yesterday. No tape on the endcaps.
Probably going to be a few damaged prints if this was the case for everyone.
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naughtyshorty
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POW invaders now available, by naughtyshorty on Apr 3, 2013 11:10:09 GMT 1, Oh dear. Any damage?
Oh dear. Any damage?
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seqret
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POW invaders now available, by seqret on Apr 3, 2013 11:26:00 GMT 1, Arrived stateside yesterday. No tape on the endcaps. Probably going to be a few damaged prints if this was the case for everyone.
I think it's for everyone. Every print I got from POW before had the same packing without tapes on endcaps. Glad everything arrived safe.
Arrived stateside yesterday. No tape on the endcaps. Probably going to be a few damaged prints if this was the case for everyone. I think it's for everyone. Every print I got from POW before had the same packing without tapes on endcaps. Glad everything arrived safe. |
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cbjornson
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POW invaders now available, by cbjornson on Apr 3, 2013 12:07:13 GMT 1,
No damage thankfully.
Hope others have the same luck as I did as the end caps on the tube came off without any hesitation.
No damage thankfully. Hope others have the same luck as I did as the end caps on the tube came off without any hesitation. |
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naughtyshorty
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POW invaders now available, by naughtyshorty on Apr 3, 2013 13:34:55 GMT 1, I've had stuff shipped internationally by pow with no probs so hopefully a one off. No selatape is a bit of a schoolboy error tho...!!
I've had stuff shipped internationally by pow with no probs so hopefully a one off. No selatape is a bit of a schoolboy error tho...!!
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alittle
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POW invaders now available, by alittle on Apr 3, 2013 13:45:47 GMT 1, Received mine yesterday. No tape, and the ends of the tube was mashed in. Didn't matter though, as the tube was twice as long as it needed to be. Nice thick kraft paper. No damage. Even if the caps had of come off, the print wouldn't have gone anywhere.
Surprised to see my name/address written on with Sharpie. Would have thought they would print labels.
Received mine yesterday. No tape, and the ends of the tube was mashed in. Didn't matter though, as the tube was twice as long as it needed to be. Nice thick kraft paper. No damage. Even if the caps had of come off, the print wouldn't have gone anywhere.
Surprised to see my name/address written on with Sharpie. Would have thought they would print labels.
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POW invaders now available, by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 17:17:08 GMT 1, moan moan bitch moan
What next hand delivered by the artist with a wet sloppy kiss?
moan moan bitch moan
What next hand delivered by the artist with a wet sloppy kiss?
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POW invaders now available, by Warm Gun on Apr 3, 2013 23:02:02 GMT 1, I always wondered why POW didn't put tape on their end caps? I can't see a benefit to not doing it.
I always wondered why POW didn't put tape on their end caps? I can't see a benefit to not doing it.
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POW invaders now available, by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 23:05:27 GMT 1, I always wondered why POW didn't put tape on their end caps? I can't see a benefit to not doing it.
If it ain't broke and all that.
I always wondered why POW didn't put tape on their end caps? I can't see a benefit to not doing it. Have you ( or anybody ) ever heard of a POW end cap coming off in the post? If it ain't broke and all that. |
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POW invaders now available, by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 23:07:02 GMT 1, I always wondered why POW didn't put tape on their end caps? I can't see a benefit to not doing it. Have you ( or anybody ) ever heard of a POW end cap coming off in the post? If it ain't broke and all that.
Check the thread.... YES
I always wondered why POW didn't put tape on their end caps? I can't see a benefit to not doing it. Have you ( or anybody ) ever heard of a POW end cap coming off in the post? If it ain't broke and all that. Check the thread.... YES |
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POW invaders now available, by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 23:13:36 GMT 1, Have you ( or anybody ) ever heard of a POW end cap coming off in the post? If it ain't broke and all that. Check the thread.... YES
Have you ( or anybody ) ever heard of a POW end cap coming off in the post? If it ain't broke and all that. Check the thread.... YES I read 'mashed in'.Would tape even stop that happening? |
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POW invaders now available, by tommm9 on Apr 4, 2013 10:39:16 GMT 1, I always wondered why POW didn't put tape on their end caps? I can't see a benefit to not doing it. Have you ( or anybody ) ever heard of a POW end cap coming off in the post? If it ain't broke and all that.
Mine did, no damage fortunately
I always wondered why POW didn't put tape on their end caps? I can't see a benefit to not doing it. Have you ( or anybody ) ever heard of a POW end cap coming off in the post? If it ain't broke and all that. Mine did, no damage fortunately |
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POW invaders now available, by floubi on Apr 4, 2013 11:36:52 GMT 1, I always wondered why POW didn't put tape on their end caps? I can't see a benefit to not doing it. Have you ( or anybody ) ever heard of a POW end cap coming off in the post? If it ain't broke and all that.
My Dran arrived with one cap missing to France.... But the tube was very long and the print packed strong enough to stay in the tube without sliding!
I always wondered why POW didn't put tape on their end caps? I can't see a benefit to not doing it. Have you ( or anybody ) ever heard of a POW end cap coming off in the post? If it ain't broke and all that. My Dran arrived with one cap missing to France.... But the tube was very long and the print packed strong enough to stay in the tube without sliding! |
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POW invaders now available, by Deleted on Apr 4, 2013 12:09:01 GMT 1,
Blummy hell.
They should tape the end caps on then for sure.
Thanks guys.
Blummy hell.
They should tape the end caps on then for sure.
Thanks guys.
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