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Peace art giveaway, by fingerz on Apr 21, 2014 13:17:08 GMT 1, religion the start off wars , except star wars .....
religion the start off wars , except star wars .....
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Peace art giveaway, by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 13:28:20 GMT 1, surely the last thing we want to bring into the equation if there ever was peace is organised religion? Or is that point? We want war if there's peace? I took it as sarcasm. Namely, if there's ever peace, don't worry, break out some religion, and that will soon bring the peace to an end. Yep I got that
surely the last thing we want to bring into the equation if there ever was peace is organised religion? Or is that point? We want war if there's peace? I took it as sarcasm. Namely, if there's ever peace, don't worry, break out some religion, and that will soon bring the peace to an end. Yep I got that
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Peace art giveaway, by Michael Jacob on Apr 21, 2014 15:11:55 GMT 1, THanks for the all the kind words, and constructive criticism. I appreciate everyones response, even if they dont like it, after all, isnt that what art is all about?
Ill draw the winner shortly, and post on here!
Thanks again.
THanks for the all the kind words, and constructive criticism. I appreciate everyones response, even if they dont like it, after all, isnt that what art is all about?
Ill draw the winner shortly, and post on here!
Thanks again.
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Peace art giveaway, by Michael Jacob on Apr 21, 2014 15:31:55 GMT 1, Winner Winner Chicken Dinner... Stringer64 is now the proud recipient of this piece.
Once again, thanks for everyones kind and respectful posts! This is what makes this forum so great.
In terms of this piece and those who pointed out the offensive nature of it, are there any forum members who are Muslim or Islamic who can offer their comment? I would appreciate your comments. Thank you.
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner... Stringer64 is now the proud recipient of this piece.
Once again, thanks for everyones kind and respectful posts! This is what makes this forum so great.
In terms of this piece and those who pointed out the offensive nature of it, are there any forum members who are Muslim or Islamic who can offer their comment? I would appreciate your comments. Thank you.
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Peace art giveaway, by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 15:36:01 GMT 1, I am not muslim but i do know that muslims don't appreciate it that non-muslim touch the quran (let alone use it as an art prop )
That being said... I still like your idea of using 'books of faith' and congrats stringer64 !!
I am not muslim but i do know that muslims don't appreciate it that non-muslim touch the quran (let alone use it as an art prop ) That being said... I still like your idea of using 'books of faith' and congrats stringer64 !!
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Peace art giveaway, by mmmike on Apr 21, 2014 15:38:56 GMT 1, I love it. If I'm not too late please include me in the draw.
Thanks
I love it. If I'm not too late please include me in the draw.
Thanks
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Peace art giveaway, by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 15:40:11 GMT 1, I love it. If I'm not too late please include me in the draw. Thanks To bad Mike...just missed out...
I love it. If I'm not too late please include me in the draw. Thanks To bad Mike...just missed out...
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Peace art giveaway, by Coach on Apr 21, 2014 15:44:32 GMT 1, I took it as sarcasm. Namely, if there's ever peace, don't worry, break out some religion, and that will soon bring the peace to an end. ย Yep I got that
Well I did figure you would have. Bright spark like you! ?
I took it as sarcasm. Namely, if there's ever peace, don't worry, break out some religion, and that will soon bring the peace to an end. ย Yep I got that Well I did figure you would have. Bright spark like you! ?
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Peace art giveaway, by Coach on Apr 21, 2014 15:53:41 GMT 1, ย Yep I got that Well I did figure you would have. Bright spark like you! ?
That was supposed to be a smiley face!!
ย Yep I got that Well I did figure you would have. Bright spark like you! ? That was supposed to be a smiley face!!
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Peace art giveaway, by mmmike on Apr 21, 2014 16:25:59 GMT 1, I love it. If I'm not too late please include me in the draw. Thanks To bad Mike...just missed out... That's what I get for falling behind on my forum readings. Very nice offer and congrats to the winner. I was flying home from London (great city) yesterday and am just catching up with the new posts now.
On Saturday I was at St. Paul's in London. What a spectacular building. An amazing show of wealth by the church. As much bling bling than you are likely to see anywhere else. Going there made me feel a number of very strong emotions. First I was pissed off that they were charging to see the place. Then I was amazed by the building itself. That was followed shortly after by disgust at the hypocrisy of the church having such a building for the church while there are people hungry in the streets around the world, unimaginable cruelty to animals everywhere and religions that are suppose to be these great institutions are hoarding wealth at the expense of the needy. They could eliminate homelessness in the city of london if they sold off the artifacts in the building and turned the space into housing and a resource centre. Isn't there something in the bible about a rich person's chances of getting into heaven and a the head of a needle? I would read that as no one associated with the church has any chance of getting in. It was a shameful display of wealth.
Finally I started to feel guilty for not doing more myself. I can and should be way better than the church in helping others. It isn't a high bar. So I'm going to try to buy less and give more money and time.
Anyway sorry for the rant. It was somewhat related because I was reminded of the church by this art piece.
I love it. If I'm not too late please include me in the draw. Thanks To bad Mike...just missed out... That's what I get for falling behind on my forum readings. Very nice offer and congrats to the winner. I was flying home from London (great city) yesterday and am just catching up with the new posts now. On Saturday I was at St. Paul's in London. What a spectacular building. An amazing show of wealth by the church. As much bling bling than you are likely to see anywhere else. Going there made me feel a number of very strong emotions. First I was pissed off that they were charging to see the place. Then I was amazed by the building itself. That was followed shortly after by disgust at the hypocrisy of the church having such a building for the church while there are people hungry in the streets around the world, unimaginable cruelty to animals everywhere and religions that are suppose to be these great institutions are hoarding wealth at the expense of the needy. They could eliminate homelessness in the city of london if they sold off the artifacts in the building and turned the space into housing and a resource centre. Isn't there something in the bible about a rich person's chances of getting into heaven and a the head of a needle? I would read that as no one associated with the church has any chance of getting in. It was a shameful display of wealth. Finally I started to feel guilty for not doing more myself. I can and should be way better than the church in helping others. It isn't a high bar. So I'm going to try to buy less and give more money and time. Anyway sorry for the rant. It was somewhat related because I was reminded of the church by this art piece.
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Peace art giveaway, by mandingo on Apr 21, 2014 16:47:27 GMT 1, I could not agree more ! let the homeless stay in the churches and sell off all the artifacts of lies and death and give back to the people. Also the catholic church should sell all its land and pay out the poor innocent children that have been sexually abused over the centuries! I just cant believe that when i walk past a catholic church that there probably was a 90 percent chance of child abuse went on in that church and nothing gets done about it. This was child abuse on mass scale all under gods banner. Forget savile and the BBC, he is not even on the same level as Father Oliver O'Grady and the catholic church!
I could not agree more ! let the homeless stay in the churches and sell off all the artifacts of lies and death and give back to the people. Also the catholic church should sell all its land and pay out the poor innocent children that have been sexually abused over the centuries! I just cant believe that when i walk past a catholic church that there probably was a 90 percent chance of child abuse went on in that church and nothing gets done about it. This was child abuse on mass scale all under gods banner. Forget savile and the BBC, he is not even on the same level as Father Oliver O'Grady and the catholic church!
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Peace art giveaway, by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 16:48:43 GMT 1, When I was in London a couple of years ago on my honeymoon, we wanted to see Westminster Abbey. We didn't realize 'till we got there that it was around $25 to go in... really pissed me off that they'd charge that much, whereas in Paris, Notre Dame, was free (with suggested donation). I understand they need $$ for upkeep, but $25 a person? come on.... And I'm sure that money wasn't going to help the needy, as would be the "Christian thing to do" as they say
Luckily, there was a second, smaller church right next door (I'm sure somewhere on here knows it's name), that was free and quite gorgeous itself.
Anway, similar to what Mike said above, I don't understand how the church (in the US at least) seems to be all about raising funds, but seems to do little to help the poor. And I'm not referring to Christians. Many are out there donating and volunteering their time and/or money to help those less fortunate. I'm talking about the institution of the church itself
And don't get me started on tax breaks....
When I was in London a couple of years ago on my honeymoon, we wanted to see Westminster Abbey. We didn't realize 'till we got there that it was around $25 to go in... really pissed me off that they'd charge that much, whereas in Paris, Notre Dame, was free (with suggested donation). I understand they need $$ for upkeep, but $25 a person? come on.... And I'm sure that money wasn't going to help the needy, as would be the "Christian thing to do" as they say Luckily, there was a second, smaller church right next door (I'm sure somewhere on here knows it's name), that was free and quite gorgeous itself. Anway, similar to what Mike said above, I don't understand how the church (in the US at least) seems to be all about raising funds, but seems to do little to help the poor. And I'm not referring to Christians. Many are out there donating and volunteering their time and/or money to help those less fortunate. I'm talking about the institution of the church itself And don't get me started on tax breaks....
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Peace art giveaway, by met on Apr 21, 2014 18:32:22 GMT 1, It's difficult for me to imagine you really going through with this in practice. You may have a change of heart after further considering the potential repercussions โ if not for yourself, then for your family. The project could impact upon their security or at least peace of mind, which needs to be weighed up against how strongly you feel about exercising your right to freedom of expression. Regarding this bible piece, for what it's worth I find it offensive. Not the sentiment, mind you, but rather its use here as an artistic concept. It's just banal. I trust you'll forgive my bluntness. The intention isn't to insult but to offer another perspective, one that seems to differ from the prevalent view on this thread. is it banal or offensive? Both. But specifically it's the banality of the artistic concept that's offensive to me.
My issue is with trite or derivative artwork, not the critique of any man-made social construct.
It's difficult for me to imagine you really going through with this in practice. You may have a change of heart after further considering the potential repercussions โ if not for yourself, then for your family. The project could impact upon their security or at least peace of mind, which needs to be weighed up against how strongly you feel about exercising your right to freedom of expression. Regarding this bible piece, for what it's worth I find it offensive. Not the sentiment, mind you, but rather its use here as an artistic concept. It's just banal. I trust you'll forgive my bluntness. The intention isn't to insult but to offer another perspective, one that seems to differ from the prevalent view on this thread. is it banal or offensive? Both. But specifically it's the banality of the artistic concept that's offensive to me. My issue is with trite or derivative artwork, not the critique of any man-made social construct.
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Peace art giveaway, by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 18:53:24 GMT 1, Im still pissed off because i didnt win.
Im still pissed off because i didnt win.
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Peace art giveaway, by Damien on Apr 21, 2014 19:01:46 GMT 1, is it banal or offensive? Both. But specifically it's the banality of the artistic concept that's offensive to me. My issue is with trite or derivative artwork, not the critique of any man-made social construct. what?
is it banal or offensive? Both. But specifically it's the banality of the artistic concept that's offensive to me. My issue is with trite or derivative artwork, not the critique of any man-made social construct. what?
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Peace art giveaway, by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 20:30:53 GMT 1, nice box frame
nice box frame
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Peace art giveaway, by Stoko on Apr 21, 2014 23:22:04 GMT 1, And the fact that people are still discussing this even after the winner has been announced makes this more valid a piece of art than 99% of the sub MBW crap I see on this forum daily.
And the fact that people are still discussing this even after the winner has been announced makes this more valid a piece of art than 99% of the sub MBW crap I see on this forum daily.
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Peace art giveaway, by jim on Apr 22, 2014 4:40:58 GMT 1, And the fact that people are still discussing this even after the winner has been announced makes this more valid a piece of art than 99% of the sub MBW crap I see on this forum daily. Agreed, i think any art that generates valid subject discussion is legitimate in my eyes.
And the fact that people are still discussing this even after the winner has been announced makes this more valid a piece of art than 99% of the sub MBW crap I see on this forum daily. Agreed, i think any art that generates valid subject discussion is legitimate in my eyes.
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Peace art giveaway, by jim on Apr 22, 2014 4:45:38 GMT 1, is it banal or offensive? Both. But specifically it's the banality of the artistic concept that's offensive to me. My issue is with trite or derivative artwork, not the critique of any man-made social construct. wow, you must get so offended all the time then!
is it banal or offensive? Both. But specifically it's the banality of the artistic concept that's offensive to me. My issue is with trite or derivative artwork, not the critique of any man-made social construct. wow, you must get so offended all the time then!
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Peace art giveaway, by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 7:07:51 GMT 1, And the fact that people are still discussing this even after the winner has been announced makes this more valid a piece of art than 99% of the sub MBW crap I see on this forum daily. It's a thing in a box with a glass front saying "break here in case of..." . As someone said, about as banal as you can get. But agreed, quite good relative to a lot of what gets posted on here.
And the fact that people are still discussing this even after the winner has been announced makes this more valid a piece of art than 99% of the sub MBW crap I see on this forum daily. It's a thing in a box with a glass front saying "break here in case of..." . As someone said, about as banal as you can get. But agreed, quite good relative to a lot of what gets posted on here.
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Peace art giveaway, by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 8:39:44 GMT 1, And the fact that people are still discussing this even after the winner has been announced makes this more valid a piece of art than 99% of the sub MBW crap I see on this forum daily. Agreed, i think any art that generates valid subject discussion is legitimate in my eyes.
surreal
where's Tesla sat on a battery when you need him?
And the fact that people are still discussing this even after the winner has been announced makes this more valid a piece of art than 99% of the sub MBW crap I see on this forum daily. Agreed, i think any art that generates valid subject discussion is legitimate in my eyes.
surreal
where's Tesla sat on a battery when you need him?
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Peace art giveaway, by met on Apr 22, 2014 9:46:09 GMT 1, Both. But specifically it's the banality of the artistic concept that's offensive to me. My issue is with trite or derivative artwork, not the critique of any man-made social construct. wow, you must get so offended all the time then! You are absolutely right โ which means that being offended is itself a banality.
A point worth emphasising: In no way is my position that anyone has the right to not be offended.
I fully accept the existence of the vast amount of unoriginal or uninteresting work, just as I accept the vast numbers of people who still believe in ghosts, fairies or omnipotent deities. My self-defence mechanism is usually to ignore, taking comfort in the view that all art eventually finds its level.
However, I do at times have the energy and desire to challenge some of what I consider to be bad art. I expect greatness from artists and think it's wonderful when others demand greatness. Lazy or tired work from our creatives just isn't good enough.
And while critique does come with the risk of discouraging nascent talents, especially those who lack drive, on the whole I believe it results in artists upping their game and producing better work. This is what excites me, and this is where my interest truly lies.
Both. But specifically it's the banality of the artistic concept that's offensive to me. My issue is with trite or derivative artwork, not the critique of any man-made social construct. wow, you must get so offended all the time then! You are absolutely right โ which means that being offended is itself a banality. A point worth emphasising: In no way is my position that anyone has the right to not be offended. I fully accept the existence of the vast amount of unoriginal or uninteresting work, just as I accept the vast numbers of people who still believe in ghosts, fairies or omnipotent deities. My self-defence mechanism is usually to ignore, taking comfort in the view that all art eventually finds its level. However, I do at times have the energy and desire to challenge some of what I consider to be bad art. I expect greatness from artists and think it's wonderful when others demand greatness. Lazy or tired work from our creatives just isn't good enough. And while critique does come with the risk of discouraging nascent talents, especially those who lack drive, on the whole I believe it results in artists upping their game and producing better work. This is what excites me, and this is where my interest truly lies.
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Peace art giveaway, by Coach on Apr 22, 2014 12:01:21 GMT 1, wow, you must get so offended all the time then!ย You are absolutely right โ which means that being offended is itself a banality. A point worth emphasising: In no way is my position that anyone has the right to not be offended. I fully accept the existence of the vast amount of unoriginal or uninteresting work, just as I accept the vast numbers of people who still believe in ghosts, fairies or omnipotent deities. My self-defence mechanism is usually to ignore, taking comfort in the view that all art eventually finds its level. However, I do at times have the energy and desire to challenge some of what I consider to be bad art. I expect greatness from artists and think it's wonderful when others demand greatness. Lazy or tired work from our creatives just isn't good enough. And while critique does come with the risk of discouraging nascent talents, especially those who lack drive, on the whole I believe it results in artists upping their game and producing better work. This is what excites me, and this is where my interest truly lies.
Is all art that is banal necessarily bad art?
wow, you must get so offended all the time then!ย You are absolutely right โ which means that being offended is itself a banality. A point worth emphasising: In no way is my position that anyone has the right to not be offended. I fully accept the existence of the vast amount of unoriginal or uninteresting work, just as I accept the vast numbers of people who still believe in ghosts, fairies or omnipotent deities. My self-defence mechanism is usually to ignore, taking comfort in the view that all art eventually finds its level. However, I do at times have the energy and desire to challenge some of what I consider to be bad art. I expect greatness from artists and think it's wonderful when others demand greatness. Lazy or tired work from our creatives just isn't good enough. And while critique does come with the risk of discouraging nascent talents, especially those who lack drive, on the whole I believe it results in artists upping their game and producing better work. This is what excites me, and this is where my interest truly lies. Is all art that is banal necessarily bad art?
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Peace art giveaway, by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 12:45:08 GMT 1, Dont know about that Coachy but The Banal Pig is quite funny..........
www.banalpig.com/
Dont know about that Coachy but The Banal Pig is quite funny.......... www.banalpig.com/
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Peace art giveaway, by met on Apr 22, 2014 19:48:12 GMT 1, You are absolutely right โ which means that being offended is itself a banality. A point worth emphasising: In no way is my position that anyone has the right to not be offended. I fully accept the existence of the vast amount of unoriginal or uninteresting work, just as I accept the vast numbers of people who still believe in ghosts, fairies or omnipotent deities. My self-defence mechanism is usually to ignore, taking comfort in the view that all art eventually finds its level. However, I do at times have the energy and desire to challenge some of what I consider to be bad art. I expect greatness from artists and think it's wonderful when others demand greatness. Lazy or tired work from our creatives just isn't good enough. And while critique does come with the risk of discouraging nascent talents, especially those who lack drive, on the whole I believe it results in artists upping their game and producing better work. This is what excites me, and this is where my interest truly lies. Is all art that is banal necessarily bad art? For me it is. As art, banal work has no real interest.
A huge premium is placed on originality, innovation and freshness in the creative fields. I consider this both normal and desirable. It seems reasonable enough to expect creatives to lead and trailblaze rather than follow.
That is not to say banal work cannot have value from a different, non-art perspective. Decoration is often banal, and yet it brings pleasure and comfort to people. I don't underestimate the importance of this.
A piece of plagiarised writing can still inspire readers, though it has no worth as literature.
If large parts of the music and lyrics of a good song are copied wholesale and made into a separate tune, the latter might also be an enjoyable listen. This too is noteworthy, but of course not in terms of songwriting.
I could probably put together a stencilled image of a dozen CCTV cameras in a tree, show my mother and tell her it's a commentary on our surveillance society. Through ignorance and no fault of her own, she might think I'm a talented and clever artist. However, others who've already seen this and similar themes rehashed countless times would simply groan because the idea is derivative and has been overdone.
Now, the above fictitious work may still have value, in that it could be amusing or genuinely thought-provoking for the uninitiated. But as art โ given the manner in which art is broadly judged โ even if well-executed, the work's significance and interest would be close to zero. Which I equate to bad art.
You are absolutely right โ which means that being offended is itself a banality. A point worth emphasising: In no way is my position that anyone has the right to not be offended. I fully accept the existence of the vast amount of unoriginal or uninteresting work, just as I accept the vast numbers of people who still believe in ghosts, fairies or omnipotent deities. My self-defence mechanism is usually to ignore, taking comfort in the view that all art eventually finds its level. However, I do at times have the energy and desire to challenge some of what I consider to be bad art. I expect greatness from artists and think it's wonderful when others demand greatness. Lazy or tired work from our creatives just isn't good enough. And while critique does come with the risk of discouraging nascent talents, especially those who lack drive, on the whole I believe it results in artists upping their game and producing better work. This is what excites me, and this is where my interest truly lies. Is all art that is banal necessarily bad art? For me it is. As art, banal work has no real interest. A huge premium is placed on originality, innovation and freshness in the creative fields. I consider this both normal and desirable. It seems reasonable enough to expect creatives to lead and trailblaze rather than follow. That is not to say banal work cannot have value from a different, non-art perspective. Decoration is often banal, and yet it brings pleasure and comfort to people. I don't underestimate the importance of this. A piece of plagiarised writing can still inspire readers, though it has no worth as literature. If large parts of the music and lyrics of a good song are copied wholesale and made into a separate tune, the latter might also be an enjoyable listen. This too is noteworthy, but of course not in terms of songwriting. I could probably put together a stencilled image of a dozen CCTV cameras in a tree, show my mother and tell her it's a commentary on our surveillance society. Through ignorance and no fault of her own, she might think I'm a talented and clever artist. However, others who've already seen this and similar themes rehashed countless times would simply groan because the idea is derivative and has been overdone. Now, the above fictitious work may still have value, in that it could be amusing or genuinely thought-provoking for the uninitiated. But as art โ given the manner in which art is broadly judged โ even if well-executed, the work's significance and interest would be close to zero. Which I equate to bad art.
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