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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 17:56:04 GMT 1, coller think you're off to a great start, and clearly the idea will grow and change as things get going. Looking forward to what comes of this!
coller think you're off to a great start, and clearly the idea will grow and change as things get going. Looking forward to what comes of this!
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 17:57:50 GMT 1, The idea that you can't sell it on will cause a million problems. Everything has a price and you are always an unforseen circumstance away from having to sell something you don't want to. (look at fed's car for example). I've commisioned a few pieces in the last 24months, and love them...but don't get me wrong, if a grail piece was to come available i would not hesitate to sell them to offset payment. Morale of the story being, i bought them for the wall..but i'm selling them for the wall (or life circumstances). Once pics get posted of a print, others from outside the forum, and members who did not take part will want them...limited supply will mean price increases and a member should have the benefit of that. Alot of us, myself included, buy art to put on the wall instead of have the money sit in a bank. We know that the prints are liquid(ish) and if troubles arise we can sell. It's not flipping, i'ts also not pure investment. It's a mixture of investment and passion and the potential future sale, if needed, can often justify the outlay. Im sure alot of those who have signed up can't justify the price with a product that has poor resale. Not because we aim to flip. But because we recognise that our tastes change, and that art is only pretty paper which one day if needed can become tender pretty quickly. I don't really have an alternative to your no selling rule, but gift prints and no COA's def isn't the right option. I understand your concern, and no COA is probably not the road we will go down (just for my own sake so people don't start accusing me of nonsense). That said, the main intention is for these to be special for forum members; using the prints to fund future art purchases isn't one of the goals.
If a member is in an extremely tough situation and sells one of the prints for a ton of money (and breaks one of the club rules in doing so), then they'll probably be removed from the group and not have the opportunity to participate in future commissions. That said, their 'financial situation' would prevent them from remaining a member anyway, it seems, so not too much harm done. I strongly believe we can find enough members that we can prevent circumstance for being a reason for selling the print(s). And I imagine as the integrity of the group strengthens and resellers are eliminated, we will have a much higher likelihood of getting some of the more in-demand artists to join the project.
There will be club rules re: trading, and a time-limit after which you may sell your print (a time-limit that will not be favorable to anyone trying to make a profit in the next few years). But really, the point is to create something personal and special from an artist we all like and nothing outside of that.
The idea that you can't sell it on will cause a million problems. Everything has a price and you are always an unforseen circumstance away from having to sell something you don't want to. (look at fed's car for example). I've commisioned a few pieces in the last 24months, and love them...but don't get me wrong, if a grail piece was to come available i would not hesitate to sell them to offset payment. Morale of the story being, i bought them for the wall..but i'm selling them for the wall (or life circumstances). Once pics get posted of a print, others from outside the forum, and members who did not take part will want them...limited supply will mean price increases and a member should have the benefit of that. Alot of us, myself included, buy art to put on the wall instead of have the money sit in a bank. We know that the prints are liquid(ish) and if troubles arise we can sell. It's not flipping, i'ts also not pure investment. It's a mixture of investment and passion and the potential future sale, if needed, can often justify the outlay. Im sure alot of those who have signed up can't justify the price with a product that has poor resale. Not because we aim to flip. But because we recognise that our tastes change, and that art is only pretty paper which one day if needed can become tender pretty quickly. I don't really have an alternative to your no selling rule, but gift prints and no COA's def isn't the right option. I understand your concern, and no COA is probably not the road we will go down (just for my own sake so people don't start accusing me of nonsense). That said, the main intention is for these to be special for forum members; using the prints to fund future art purchases isn't one of the goals. If a member is in an extremely tough situation and sells one of the prints for a ton of money (and breaks one of the club rules in doing so), then they'll probably be removed from the group and not have the opportunity to participate in future commissions. That said, their 'financial situation' would prevent them from remaining a member anyway, it seems, so not too much harm done. I strongly believe we can find enough members that we can prevent circumstance for being a reason for selling the print(s). And I imagine as the integrity of the group strengthens and resellers are eliminated, we will have a much higher likelihood of getting some of the more in-demand artists to join the project. There will be club rules re: trading, and a time-limit after which you may sell your print (a time-limit that will not be favorable to anyone trying to make a profit in the next few years). But really, the point is to create something personal and special from an artist we all like and nothing outside of that.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 18:05:12 GMT 1, And to address the painted elephant in the room, I think it's best that we don't even ask Banksy until this group has fully sorted itself out (i.e. gone through a couple of commissions, and weeded out flippers and stragglers). Need to make ourselves presentable, first.
And to address the painted elephant in the room, I think it's best that we don't even ask Banksy until this group has fully sorted itself out (i.e. gone through a couple of commissions, and weeded out flippers and stragglers). Need to make ourselves presentable, first.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by johnnyh on Aug 5, 2014 18:05:39 GMT 1, Lot of debate and I do love a debate as many of you know.....However this is Dss's idea. Why not give a bit of trust and give him a bit of time. It is a seed thread as in an idea not a full fledged concept yet
He asked for a list of people interested and a PM. He is getting a load of those. Pretty sure he does not have all the answers and has not thought of everything.
Let's just give him a bit of time to develop the concept and flipping rules etc etc and how it's gonna be managed.
He can test the water etc with the artists maybe his list changes etc etc may be some say yes or no. Who knows.
But to be fair he is being a bit bombarded at the mo. I think let's give it some time...he has asked no one for money yet etc and see how it plays out and now people are interested let's give him some space to get it together. As opposed to everyone's variations of what could happen.....may be better to see what does happen.
Just a thought
ps. Good on ya DSS for trying something new good luck to ya whatever the result
Lot of debate and I do love a debate as many of you know.....However this is Dss's idea. Why not give a bit of trust and give him a bit of time. It is a seed thread as in an idea not a full fledged concept yet
He asked for a list of people interested and a PM. He is getting a load of those. Pretty sure he does not have all the answers and has not thought of everything.
Let's just give him a bit of time to develop the concept and flipping rules etc etc and how it's gonna be managed.
He can test the water etc with the artists maybe his list changes etc etc may be some say yes or no. Who knows.
But to be fair he is being a bit bombarded at the mo. I think let's give it some time...he has asked no one for money yet etc and see how it plays out and now people are interested let's give him some space to get it together. As opposed to everyone's variations of what could happen.....may be better to see what does happen.
Just a thought
ps. Good on ya DSS for trying something new good luck to ya whatever the result
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by jesustheba on Aug 5, 2014 18:11:48 GMT 1, Lot of debate and I do love a debate as many of you know.....However this is Dss's idea. Why not give a bit of trust and give him a bit of time. But it is a seed thread as in an idea not a full fledged concept yet He asked for a list of people interested and a PM. He is getting a load of those. Pretty sure he does not have all the answers and has not thought of everything. Let's just give him a bit of time to develop the concept and flipping rules etc etc and how it's gonna be managed. He can test the water etc with the artists maybe his list changes etc etc may be some say yes or no. Who knows. But to be fair he is being a bit bombarded at the mo. I think let's give it some time...he has asked no one for money yet etc and see how it plays out and now people are interested let's give him some space to get it together. As opposed to everyone's variations of what could happen.....may be better to see what does happen. Just a thought ps. Good on ya DSS for trying something new good luck to ya whatever the result Very well said
Lot of debate and I do love a debate as many of you know.....However this is Dss's idea. Why not give a bit of trust and give him a bit of time. But it is a seed thread as in an idea not a full fledged concept yet He asked for a list of people interested and a PM. He is getting a load of those. Pretty sure he does not have all the answers and has not thought of everything. Let's just give him a bit of time to develop the concept and flipping rules etc etc and how it's gonna be managed. He can test the water etc with the artists maybe his list changes etc etc may be some say yes or no. Who knows. But to be fair he is being a bit bombarded at the mo. I think let's give it some time...he has asked no one for money yet etc and see how it plays out and now people are interested let's give him some space to get it together. As opposed to everyone's variations of what could happen.....may be better to see what does happen. Just a thought ps. Good on ya DSS for trying something new good luck to ya whatever the result Very well said
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 18:15:58 GMT 1, Last update: membership number seems to be around 160 now, slowing down a bit; will cap at 200 for sure, if it gets there, and then do the screening process.
Last update: membership number seems to be around 160 now, slowing down a bit; will cap at 200 for sure, if it gets there, and then do the screening process.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 18:44:46 GMT 1, Lower the price point, get away from premiere artists and support emerging newcomers and the idea might have a chance.
Lower the price point, get away from premiere artists and support emerging newcomers and the idea might have a chance.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 18:51:43 GMT 1, Lower the price point, get away from premiere artists and support emerging newcomers and the idea might have a chance.
Lower the price point, get away from premiere artists and support emerging newcomers and the idea might have a chance.
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umphreak
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by umphreak on Aug 5, 2014 19:10:55 GMT 1, While i'd MUCH rather have some of the bigger artists, I wouldn't oppose a "once in a while" newcomer's print. Perhaps allow members to submit a list of contenders and have the members vote.
While i'd MUCH rather have some of the bigger artists, I wouldn't oppose a "once in a while" newcomer's print. Perhaps allow members to submit a list of contenders and have the members vote.
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tyler
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by tyler on Aug 5, 2014 19:46:43 GMT 1, I am a big fan of Tristan Eaton. You can check out his work at www.tristaneaton.net/ . He could be just what you guys are looking for if a "big" artist isn't achievable.
I am a big fan of Tristan Eaton. You can check out his work at www.tristaneaton.net/ . He could be just what you guys are looking for if a "big" artist isn't achievable.
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Cocteau 101
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Cocteau 101 on Aug 5, 2014 20:06:33 GMT 1, I haven't read the previous 7 pages so I apologise but have any artists signed up to this yet or are you just formulating an approach.
I haven't read the previous 7 pages so I apologise but have any artists signed up to this yet or are you just formulating an approach.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 20:08:03 GMT 1, I haven't read the previous 7 pages so I apologise but have any artists signed up to this yet or are you just formulating an approach. Formulating an approach.
I haven't read the previous 7 pages so I apologise but have any artists signed up to this yet or are you just formulating an approach. Formulating an approach.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Shoot Again on Aug 5, 2014 20:50:27 GMT 1, I haven't read the previous 7 pages so I apologise but have any artists signed up to this yet or are you just formulating an approach. That will be the toughest part, no doubt, apart from the preventing (200 ) members to sell back their print... Nice idea if you can make it work, good on you coller to take such a big thing on your shoulder, I sincerely wish you it will be a success... I just hope not too many of your Club members are doing this in the hope of a Banksy print, cos that will certainly never happen I'm afraid ;-(
I haven't read the previous 7 pages so I apologise but have any artists signed up to this yet or are you just formulating an approach. That will be the toughest part, no doubt, apart from the preventing (200 ) members to sell back their print... Nice idea if you can make it work, good on you coller to take such a big thing on your shoulder, I sincerely wish you it will be a success... I just hope not too many of your Club members are doing this in the hope of a Banksy print, cos that will certainly never happen I'm afraid ;-(
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 20:52:12 GMT 1, Yeah, definitely don't enter this club if your goal is to get a Banksy print haha; probably won't end well.
Yeah, definitely don't enter this club if your goal is to get a Banksy print haha; probably won't end well.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by WOOF on Aug 5, 2014 20:53:11 GMT 1, Yeah, can we just say right now that this will never be about a trying to commission a banksy print. Please?
Yeah, can we just say right now that this will never be about a trying to commission a banksy print. Please?
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 20:57:22 GMT 1, Yeah, can we just say right now that this will never be about a trying to commission a banksy print. Please? Yeah, that isn't a goal or a realistic possibility at all - I only even brought it up since a few people asked, and it's the name of the website kind of. Won't happen in any real dimension.
I hope that isn't anyone's reason for joining this club; the listed artists are the ones we are trying to get involved. We know everyone loves Banksy, but we also need to be pragmatic.
Yeah, can we just say right now that this will never be about a trying to commission a banksy print. Please? Yeah, that isn't a goal or a realistic possibility at all - I only even brought it up since a few people asked, and it's the name of the website kind of. Won't happen in any real dimension. I hope that isn't anyone's reason for joining this club; the listed artists are the ones we are trying to get involved. We know everyone loves Banksy, but we also need to be pragmatic.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by maddoghoek100 on Aug 5, 2014 21:17:30 GMT 1, you are 99% sure you will not ever pursue a banksy print
let to conspiracy buffs chew on that for a while
you are 99% sure you will not ever pursue a banksy print let to conspiracy buffs chew on that for a while
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 21:22:02 GMT 1, you are 99% sure you will not ever pursue a banksy print let to conspiracy buffs chew on that for a while We will 100% pursue Outis.
you are 99% sure you will not ever pursue a banksy print let to conspiracy buffs chew on that for a while We will 100% pursue Outis.
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Nick
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Nick on Aug 5, 2014 21:24:00 GMT 1, If Banksy fancied another £20k he'd just put a few prints through an auction house...his business team are clever buggers for sure, found it funny that that thought was even entertained!
If Banksy fancied another £20k he'd just put a few prints through an auction house...his business team are clever buggers for sure, found it funny that that thought was even entertained!
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by umphreak on Aug 5, 2014 21:30:35 GMT 1, If Banksy fancied another £20k he'd just put a few prints through an auction house...his business team are clever buggers for sure, found it funny that that thought was even entertained! No doubt, if Banksy agreeing to do a print for us was anything other than a pipe dream, it would need to be for reasons other than money.
If any artist was truly interested in making sure their art got in the hands of their fans instead of flippers, this is one way to do it.
If Banksy fancied another £20k he'd just put a few prints through an auction house...his business team are clever buggers for sure, found it funny that that thought was even entertained! No doubt, if Banksy agreeing to do a print for us was anything other than a pipe dream, it would need to be for reasons other than money. If any artist was truly interested in making sure their art got in the hands of their fans instead of flippers, this is one way to do it.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 21:34:34 GMT 1, If Banksy fancied another £20k he'd just put a few prints through an auction house...his business team are clever buggers for sure, found it funny that that thought was even entertained! No doubt, if Banksy agreeing to do a print for us was anything other than a pipe dream, it would need to be for reasons other than money. If any artist was truly interested in making sure their art got in the hands of their fans instead of flippers, this is one way to do it. Not worth discussing, IMO.
If Banksy fancied another £20k he'd just put a few prints through an auction house...his business team are clever buggers for sure, found it funny that that thought was even entertained! No doubt, if Banksy agreeing to do a print for us was anything other than a pipe dream, it would need to be for reasons other than money. If any artist was truly interested in making sure their art got in the hands of their fans instead of flippers, this is one way to do it. Not worth discussing, IMO.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by alittle on Aug 5, 2014 21:38:33 GMT 1, If Banksy fancied another £20k he'd just put a few prints through an auction house...his business team are clever buggers for sure, found it funny that that thought was even entertained! No doubt, if Banksy agreeing to do a print for us was anything other than a pipe dream, it would need to be for reasons other than money. If any artist was truly interested in making sure their art got in the hands of their fans instead of flippers, this is one way to do it. LOL...You think this will be any different than a regular release? I assure you that many people are just joining hoping to flip the end product.
If Banksy fancied another £20k he'd just put a few prints through an auction house...his business team are clever buggers for sure, found it funny that that thought was even entertained! No doubt, if Banksy agreeing to do a print for us was anything other than a pipe dream, it would need to be for reasons other than money. If any artist was truly interested in making sure their art got in the hands of their fans instead of flippers, this is one way to do it. LOL...You think this will be any different than a regular release? I assure you that many people are just joining hoping to flip the end product.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by WOOF on Aug 5, 2014 21:47:54 GMT 1, No doubt, if Banksy agreeing to do a print for us was anything other than a pipe dream, it would need to be for reasons other than money. If any artist was truly interested in making sure their art got in the hands of their fans instead of flippers, this is one way to do it. Not worth discussing, IMO. Not even a little bit. This is the no banksy commision club
No doubt, if Banksy agreeing to do a print for us was anything other than a pipe dream, it would need to be for reasons other than money. If any artist was truly interested in making sure their art got in the hands of their fans instead of flippers, this is one way to do it. Not worth discussing, IMO. Not even a little bit. This is the no banksy commision club
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 22:01:32 GMT 1, dss111, you have now been on here answering questions (immediately as they are asked which is brilliant) for 187 hours non stop, fk off and get some sleep, you must stink by now so have a shower, return later and answer more questions.
dss111, you have now been on here answering questions (immediately as they are asked which is brilliant) for 187 hours non stop, fk off and get some sleep, you must stink by now so have a shower, return later and answer more questions.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by letiss on Aug 5, 2014 22:02:24 GMT 1, Not worth discussing, IMO. Not even a little bit. This is the no banksy commision club Has Banksy ever acknowledged the existence of this Forum to any ITKers? I always imagined he spends his evening reading about the latest Whatson release over a nice Bovril.
Not worth discussing, IMO. Not even a little bit. This is the no banksy commision club Has Banksy ever acknowledged the existence of this Forum to any ITKers? I always imagined he spends his evening reading about the latest Whatson release over a nice Bovril.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 22:03:47 GMT 1, No doubt, if Banksy agreeing to do a print for us was anything other than a pipe dream, it would need to be for reasons other than money. If any artist was truly interested in making sure their art got in the hands of their fans instead of flippers, this is one way to do it. LOL...You think this will be any different than a regular release? I assure you that many people are just joining hoping to flip the end product. I'm sure they are; those people probably won't be happy with how the project or end product turn out.
And this, on its face, is already different from a regular release in several ways.
-edition size actually tailored to demand -no use of bots/computerized advantages -personal nature of print -in-house monitoring of flipping, with unforgiving consequences that would deter most rational-minded flippers -inability to see the print/image in advance; buying entirely based on abstract interest in the artist.
Will be literally doing everything possible to make sure that members who genuinely like the listed artists are extremely happy with having joined the club and the print they receive, while making sure that flippers or people in it for profit have the absolute worst experience possible.
No doubt, if Banksy agreeing to do a print for us was anything other than a pipe dream, it would need to be for reasons other than money. If any artist was truly interested in making sure their art got in the hands of their fans instead of flippers, this is one way to do it. LOL...You think this will be any different than a regular release? I assure you that many people are just joining hoping to flip the end product. I'm sure they are; those people probably won't be happy with how the project or end product turn out. And this, on its face, is already different from a regular release in several ways. -edition size actually tailored to demand -no use of bots/computerized advantages -personal nature of print -in-house monitoring of flipping, with unforgiving consequences that would deter most rational-minded flippers -inability to see the print/image in advance; buying entirely based on abstract interest in the artist. Will be literally doing everything possible to make sure that members who genuinely like the listed artists are extremely happy with having joined the club and the print they receive, while making sure that flippers or people in it for profit have the absolute worst experience possible.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 22:06:49 GMT 1, dss111, you have now been on here answering questions (immediately as they are asked which is brilliant) for 187 hours non stop, fk off and get some sleep, you must stink by now so have a shower, return later and answer more questions. I'm doing this all from my iPhone while participating in an Ironman triathlon during intercourse.
dss111, you have now been on here answering questions (immediately as they are asked which is brilliant) for 187 hours non stop, fk off and get some sleep, you must stink by now so have a shower, return later and answer more questions. I'm doing this all from my iPhone while participating in an Ironman triathlon during intercourse.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 1:25:36 GMT 1, I would be down to join still room left lmk
I would be down to join still room left lmk
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by natstan on Aug 6, 2014 1:46:33 GMT 1, I haven't read the previous 7 pages so I apologise but have any artists signed up to this yet or are you just formulating an approach. That will be the toughest part, no doubt, apart from the preventing (200 ) members to sell back their print... Nice idea if you can make it work, good on you coller to take such a big thing on your shoulder, I sincerely wish you it will be a success... I just hope not too many of your Club members are doing this in the hope of a Banksy print, cos that will certainly never happen I'm afraid ;-( Maybe not even the rest of the list...
But doesn't hurt to at least try
I haven't read the previous 7 pages so I apologise but have any artists signed up to this yet or are you just formulating an approach. That will be the toughest part, no doubt, apart from the preventing (200 ) members to sell back their print... Nice idea if you can make it work, good on you coller to take such a big thing on your shoulder, I sincerely wish you it will be a success... I just hope not too many of your Club members are doing this in the hope of a Banksy print, cos that will certainly never happen I'm afraid ;-( Maybe not even the rest of the list... But doesn't hurt to at least try
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by chitownhero on Aug 6, 2014 2:31:37 GMT 1, Wish I had joined these boards a few weeks earlier. Good luck, fellas.
Wish I had joined these boards a few weeks earlier. Good luck, fellas.
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