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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by tartarus on Sept 4, 2014 18:21:59 GMT 1, The mushroom dude is off to Berlin to make an epic 7 metre tall mushroom. He is crowd funding it and sending out various goodies for the donations.
A few things are not quite right on the web page, so those that don't like bad english etc may wish to breath in first!
Also the ยฃ10 donation states you will get a sketch. YOU WONT! Its a mistake, you will receive a mini print of some form. Probably 10 x 10 cm. They are still rather cool, but figured i should point out they aren't sketches!
www.megamushroom.com
The mushroom dude is off to Berlin to make an epic 7 metre tall mushroom. He is crowd funding it and sending out various goodies for the donations. A few things are not quite right on the web page, so those that don't like bad english etc may wish to breath in first! Also the ยฃ10 donation states you will get a sketch. YOU WONT! Its a mistake, you will receive a mini print of some form. Probably 10 x 10 cm. They are still rather cool, but figured i should point out they aren't sketches! www.megamushroom.com
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 22:44:43 GMT 1, Mega.
Mega.
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 23:00:07 GMT 1, Why?
make a big fucking shroom
and why doesnt Nagel make it himself with his own two hands and some bits of stuff?
Why?
make a big fucking shroom
and why doesnt Nagel make it himself with his own two hands and some bits of stuff?
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Sweetcorn on Sept 4, 2014 23:21:54 GMT 1,
Awful
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by tartarus on Sept 4, 2014 23:33:16 GMT 1, Because its what he does i guess. And because people like them. Pretty much how it works really.
How is your art coming along since the cob in the gob days sweetcorn? Your input certainly hasn't changed.
Because its what he does i guess. And because people like them. Pretty much how it works really.
How is your art coming along since the cob in the gob days sweetcorn? Your input certainly hasn't changed.
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 23:57:01 GMT 1, Because its what he does i guess. And because people like them. Pretty much how it works really. How is your art coming along since the cob in the gob days sweetcorn? Your input certainly hasn't changed. "Cob in the gob". LOL
UmBongo
Because its what he does i guess. And because people like them. Pretty much how it works really. How is your art coming along since the cob in the gob days sweetcorn? Your input certainly hasn't changed. "Cob in the gob". LOL UmBongo
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 0:02:14 GMT 1, Because its what he does i guess. And because people like them. Pretty much how it works really. How is your art coming along since the cob in the gob days sweetcorn? Your input certainly hasn't changed.
Because it's what he does as in expect people to give him money to make stuff or to pay other peole to make the stuff for him?
My arts coming along fine and i don't ask people to give me money to make it.
I just see lots of people who can afford to use their own money constantly asking the public to give them money to make stuff that they could easily make themselves.
Fuck me if you drive down through France towards parc Astรฉrix there are huge mushrooms by the side of the road.
Whats so great about a plastic mushroom.
I thought Gormleys sculptures were bland.
Because its what he does i guess. And because people like them. Pretty much how it works really. How is your art coming along since the cob in the gob days sweetcorn? Your input certainly hasn't changed.
Because it's what he does as in expect people to give him money to make stuff or to pay other peole to make the stuff for him?
My arts coming along fine and i don't ask people to give me money to make it.
I just see lots of people who can afford to use their own money constantly asking the public to give them money to make stuff that they could easily make themselves.
Fuck me if you drive down through France towards parc Astรฉrix there are huge mushrooms by the side of the road.
Whats so great about a plastic mushroom.
I thought Gormleys sculptures were bland.
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by tartarus on Sept 5, 2014 0:15:43 GMT 1, Thanks for the input ploppi. Maybe reread what i posted, the art comment had nothing to do with you for one thing. Hadn't even noticed you making any. (or are you also sweetcorn? Thats the only reason i can see you jumping in like that and i can see clear similarities. )
And secondly, hes not asking people to just give money, you get his work back.
Probably best to actually read what your commenting on, rather than just fire off at the mouth next time eh.
Id also love to know why you think he isn't making it himself? It says nothing about that either! Nor is it plastic.
Thanks for the input ploppi. Maybe reread what i posted, the art comment had nothing to do with you for one thing. Hadn't even noticed you making any. (or are you also sweetcorn? Thats the only reason i can see you jumping in like that and i can see clear similarities. )
And secondly, hes not asking people to just give money, you get his work back.
Probably best to actually read what your commenting on, rather than just fire off at the mouth next time eh.
Id also love to know why you think he isn't making it himself? It says nothing about that either! Nor is it plastic.
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by tartarus on Sept 5, 2014 8:32:41 GMT 1, Because its what he does i guess. And because people like them. Pretty much how it works really. How is your art coming along since the cob in the gob days sweetcorn? Your input certainly hasn't changed.
Because it's what he does as in expect people to give him money to make stuff or to pay other peole to make the stuff for him?
My arts coming along fine and i don't ask people to give me money to make it.
I just see lots of people who can afford to use their own money constantly asking the public to give them money to make stuff that they could easily make themselves.
f**k me if you drive down through France towards parc Astรฉrix there are huge mushrooms by the side of the road.
Whats so great about a plastic mushroom.
I thought Gormleys sculptures were bland.
And added to the above questions. I just looked at your Facebook.
So where oh where did you get the inspiration for this totally unique idea?
OH WAIT! you copied it Yeah coming along great if you don't concider the lack of originality huh.
Because its what he does i guess. And because people like them. Pretty much how it works really. How is your art coming along since the cob in the gob days sweetcorn? Your input certainly hasn't changed.
Because it's what he does as in expect people to give him money to make stuff or to pay other peole to make the stuff for him?
My arts coming along fine and i don't ask people to give me money to make it.
I just see lots of people who can afford to use their own money constantly asking the public to give them money to make stuff that they could easily make themselves.
f**k me if you drive down through France towards parc Astรฉrix there are huge mushrooms by the side of the road.
Whats so great about a plastic mushroom.
I thought Gormleys sculptures were bland.
And added to the above questions. I just looked at your Facebook. So where oh where did you get the inspiration for this totally unique idea? OH WAIT! you copied it Yeah coming along great if you don't concider the lack of originality huh.
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Invaded 420 on Sept 5, 2014 10:16:48 GMT 1, Looks like he ripped of the characters from a 90s kids show, the riddlers also tartarus
Looks like he ripped of the characters from a 90s kids show, the riddlers also tartarus
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by tartarus on Sept 5, 2014 10:44:56 GMT 1, lol nice work. I looked again after and realised he specialises in plagiarism. He has a copy Faile, some spots on a Rothko, a copy Hirst, a rework of Banksy's ballon idea, copy soup cans and a copy Dolk i think.
I was whelmed, seriously partially mildly whelmed i tell you!
lol nice work. I looked again after and realised he specialises in plagiarism. He has a copy Faile, some spots on a Rothko, a copy Hirst, a rework of Banksy's ballon idea, copy soup cans and a copy Dolk i think.
I was whelmed, seriously partially mildly whelmed i tell you!
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 12:12:14 GMT 1, Looks like he ripped of the characters from a 90s kids show, the riddlers also tartarus That's Zoรซ Wanamaker, and, Sharon Davis, no?
UmBongo
Looks like he ripped of the characters from a 90s kids show, the riddlers also tartarusThat's Zoรซ Wanamaker, and, Sharon Davis, no? UmBongo
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 13:16:02 GMT 1,
Because it's what he does as in expect people to give him money to make stuff or to pay other peole to make the stuff for him?
My arts coming along fine and i don't ask people to give me money to make it.
I just see lots of people who can afford to use their own money constantly asking the public to give them money to make stuff that they could easily make themselves.
f**k me if you drive down through France towards parc Astรฉrix there are huge mushrooms by the side of the road.
Whats so great about a plastic mushroom.
I thought Gormleys sculptures were bland.
And added to the above questions. I just looked at your Facebook. So where oh where did you get the inspiration for this totally unique idea? OH WAIT! you copied it Yeah coming along great if you don't concider the lack of originality huh. Thats a great drawing.
Thanks for promoting it.
Well I didn't copy it from here.
Now where have I seen something very similar to this stock photo before?
Because it's what he does as in expect people to give him money to make stuff or to pay other peole to make the stuff for him?
My arts coming along fine and i don't ask people to give me money to make it.
I just see lots of people who can afford to use their own money constantly asking the public to give them money to make stuff that they could easily make themselves.
f**k me if you drive down through France towards parc Astรฉrix there are huge mushrooms by the side of the road.
Whats so great about a plastic mushroom.
I thought Gormleys sculptures were bland.
And added to the above questions. I just looked at your Facebook. So where oh where did you get the inspiration for this totally unique idea? OH WAIT! you copied it Yeah coming along great if you don't concider the lack of originality huh. Thats a great drawing.
Thanks for promoting it.
Well I didn't copy it from here.
Now where have I seen something very similar to this stock photo before?
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 13:24:37 GMT 1, lol nice work. I looked again after and realised he specialises in plagiarism. He has a copy Faile, some spots on a Rothko, a copy Hirst, a rework of Banksy's ballon idea, copy soup cans and a copy Dolk i think. I was whelmed, seriously partially mildly whelmed i tell you! If I was a plagiarist I would be Banksy or Koons or Hirst or Fairey and Morons would buy it.
If I have a copy Faile who did faile copy from?
No spots on a Rothko but there again you show your ignorance about art.
For one thing Rothko never made art with a spray gun which this picture is and lots of artists make art with bold or big sections of colour.
But I can see where someone who only knows a few big art names might not know that.
My Balloon is based on Dali's melting skull and Banksy's balloon which I don't mind because Banksy just copied girl with balloon anyway. There again banksy copies lots of better artists like Warhol with Marylin and Warhols soup cans.
Parodies maybe, artistic statements maybe but you need to hit some musรฉums and study proper art before accusing me of plagiarism.
lol nice work. I looked again after and realised he specialises in plagiarism. He has a copy Faile, some spots on a Rothko, a copy Hirst, a rework of Banksy's ballon idea, copy soup cans and a copy Dolk i think. I was whelmed, seriously partially mildly whelmed i tell you! If I was a plagiarist I would be Banksy or Koons or Hirst or Fairey and Morons would buy it.
If I have a copy Faile who did faile copy from?
No spots on a Rothko but there again you show your ignorance about art.
For one thing Rothko never made art with a spray gun which this picture is and lots of artists make art with bold or big sections of colour.
But I can see where someone who only knows a few big art names might not know that.
My Balloon is based on Dali's melting skull and Banksy's balloon which I don't mind because Banksy just copied girl with balloon anyway. There again banksy copies lots of better artists like Warhol with Marylin and Warhols soup cans.
Parodies maybe, artistic statements maybe but you need to hit some musรฉums and study proper art before accusing me of plagiarism.
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 13:26:50 GMT 1, lol nice work. I looked again after and realised he specialises in plagiarism. He has a copy Faile, some spots on a Rothko, a copy Hirst, a rework of Banksy's ballon idea, copy soup cans and a copy Dolk i think. I was whelmed, seriously partially mildly whelmed i tell you! Don't forget to like my Facebook page. www.facebook.com/ArtistPloppi/photos_stream
lol nice work. I looked again after and realised he specialises in plagiarism. He has a copy Faile, some spots on a Rothko, a copy Hirst, a rework of Banksy's ballon idea, copy soup cans and a copy Dolk i think. I was whelmed, seriously partially mildly whelmed i tell you! Don't forget to like my Facebook page. www.facebook.com/ArtistPloppi/photos_stream
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 13:30:15 GMT 1, Thanks for the input ploppi. Maybe reread what i posted, the art comment had nothing to do with you for one thing. Hadn't even noticed you making any. (or are you also sweetcorn? Thats the only reason i can see you jumping in like that and i can see clear similarities. ) And secondly, hes not asking people to just give money, you get his work back. Probably best to actually read what your commenting on, rather than just fire off at the mouth next time eh. Id also love to know why you think he isn't making it himself? It says nothing about that either! Nor is it plastic. So Polyurethane is not plastic.
Thanks for the science lesson.
Lots of giant mushroom sculpture on Google so if I was Nagel you would say the mushroom sculpture is plagiarism.
But i'm not Nagel and not capable of making a giant mushroom sculpture out of a length of plastic drainpipe and an umbrella.
Too much psycobilin confuses people.
Thanks for the input ploppi. Maybe reread what i posted, the art comment had nothing to do with you for one thing. Hadn't even noticed you making any. (or are you also sweetcorn? Thats the only reason i can see you jumping in like that and i can see clear similarities. ) And secondly, hes not asking people to just give money, you get his work back. Probably best to actually read what your commenting on, rather than just fire off at the mouth next time eh. Id also love to know why you think he isn't making it himself? It says nothing about that either! Nor is it plastic. So Polyurethane is not plastic.
Thanks for the science lesson.
Lots of giant mushroom sculpture on Google so if I was Nagel you would say the mushroom sculpture is plagiarism.
But i'm not Nagel and not capable of making a giant mushroom sculpture out of a length of plastic drainpipe and an umbrella.
Too much psycobilin confuses people.
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by tartarus on Sept 5, 2014 13:41:40 GMT 1, Lol yeah whatever you say dude.
Nagel is up all over the place and you are doing nothing. take your self misery elsewhere.
Lol yeah whatever you say dude.
Nagel is up all over the place and you are doing nothing. take your self misery elsewhere.
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 13:42:51 GMT 1, Thanks for promoting it.
Well I didn't copy it from here.
Now where have I seen something very similar to this stock photo before?
it is in the Mobile Lovers thread, old news.
Thanks for promoting it.
Well I didn't copy it from here.
Now where have I seen something very similar to this stock photo before?
it is in the Mobile Lovers thread, old news.
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 13:43:37 GMT 1, Lol yeah whatever you say dude. Nagel is up all over the place and you are doing nothing. take your self misery elsewhere. I wish.
It is pretty obvious that Ploppi is not only a talentless and artistically lacking soul (one look at his 'work' confirms this) but he is absolutlely and utterly envious of other Artists success.
Lol yeah whatever you say dude. Nagel is up all over the place and you are doing nothing. take your self misery elsewhere. I wish. It is pretty obvious that Ploppi is not only a talentless and artistically lacking soul (one look at his 'work' confirms this) but he is absolutlely and utterly envious of other Artists success.
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Briggs 74 on Sept 5, 2014 13:54:25 GMT 1, bit gutting about the sketch. i made a pledge ages ago.....
bit gutting about the sketch. i made a pledge ages ago.....
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by tartarus on Sept 5, 2014 14:16:03 GMT 1, bit gutting about the sketch. i made a pledge ages ago..... Nah, you'll be cool. He's honouring the ones that are ordered already. And trying to get it changed on the site too.
bit gutting about the sketch. i made a pledge ages ago..... Nah, you'll be cool. He's honouring the ones that are ordered already. And trying to get it changed on the site too.
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Briggs 74 on Sept 5, 2014 14:20:50 GMT 1, nice. thanks for the info tartarus
nice. thanks for the info tartarus
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by balibob on Sept 5, 2014 14:21:28 GMT 1, Ploppi, it does seem that you you suck half a dozen lemons before coming onto the forum. All this angst is very 1950's.
Ploppi, it does seem that you you suck half a dozen lemons before coming onto the forum. All this angst is very 1950's.
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 15:56:40 GMT 1, Lol yeah whatever you say dude. Nagel is up all over the place and you are doing nothing. take your self misery elsewhere. I wish. It is pretty obvious that Ploppi is not only a talentless and artistically lacking soul (one look at his 'work' confirms this) but he is absolutlely and utterly envious of other Artists success. lol,
You keep attacking me with that one Wiz but most people know why.
Lol yeah whatever you say dude. Nagel is up all over the place and you are doing nothing. take your self misery elsewhere. I wish. It is pretty obvious that Ploppi is not only a talentless and artistically lacking soul (one look at his 'work' confirms this) but he is absolutlely and utterly envious of other Artists success. lol,
You keep attacking me with that one Wiz but most people know why.
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 15:57:46 GMT 1, Ploppi, it does seem that you you suck half a dozen lemons before coming onto the forum. All this angst is very 1950's. and whats wrong with the 1950's and lemons.
Bali is very 90's
Ploppi, it does seem that you you suck half a dozen lemons before coming onto the forum. All this angst is very 1950's. and whats wrong with the 1950's and lemons.
Bali is very 90's
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by tartarus on Sept 5, 2014 17:01:32 GMT 1, I wish. It is pretty obvious that Ploppi is not only a talentless and artistically lacking soul (one look at his 'work' confirms this) but he is absolutlely and utterly envious of other Artists success. lol,
You keep attacking me with that one Wiz but most people know why.
Yeah, its called using the facts to make your point. Its obvious from your first post on here you don't let a little thing like facts get in your way.
I wish. It is pretty obvious that Ploppi is not only a talentless and artistically lacking soul (one look at his 'work' confirms this) but he is absolutlely and utterly envious of other Artists success. lol,
You keep attacking me with that one Wiz but most people know why.
Yeah, its called using the facts to make your point. Its obvious from your first post on here you don't let a little thing like facts get in your way.
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 17:15:46 GMT 1, I wish. It is pretty obvious that Ploppi is not only a talentless and artistically lacking soul (one look at his 'work' confirms this) but he is absolutlely and utterly envious of other Artists success. lol,
You keep attacking me with that one Wiz but most people know why.
LOL, its not an attack, its my opinion of you that is all.
However, you are correct at saying 'most people know why', it is because it is true.
If I put myself out there as an artist I would expect some criticism and some detractors but you dont seem to be able to take it?, inferiority complex maybe?.
I wish. It is pretty obvious that Ploppi is not only a talentless and artistically lacking soul (one look at his 'work' confirms this) but he is absolutlely and utterly envious of other Artists success. lol,
You keep attacking me with that one Wiz but most people know why.
LOL, its not an attack, its my opinion of you that is all. However, you are correct at saying 'most people know why', it is because it is true. If I put myself out there as an artist I would expect some criticism and some detractors but you dont seem to be able to take it?, inferiority complex maybe?.
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 20:42:58 GMT 1, lol,
You keep attacking me with that one Wiz but most people know why.
LOL, its not an attack, its my opinion of you that is all. However, you are correct at saying 'most people know why', it is because it is true. If I put myself out there as an artist I would expect some criticism and some detractors but you dont seem to be able to take it?, inferiority complex maybe?. I can take criticism of my art and I am open about what I like and what I don't like when it comes to art.
Unlike you who keeps trying to bait me and insult me with your constant garbage that I must be jealous of Banksy's success.
I don't give a fuck about Banksy making money out of what he does.
It's a business like any other business.
So drop the subtle innuendos and insults Wiz otherwise i'll just defend myself and your cronies will crawl out of the woodwork and accuse me of bullying you which I never have.
I asked you openly what your connection with Banksy was and you went quiet on that one.
It appears that anyone on this forum that is not in love with Banksy is fair game for you.
I'm sorry but Banksy's basic art and ripping off photos and images does nothing for me when it comes to being good art.
You seem to be an expert on Banksy Wiz so answer this.
What was the motivation behind Banksy attacking and destroying Robbo's graffiti?
It was a case of Banksy having an inferiority complex, jealousy and ego believing his own hype and a big mistake on his part and he knows it.
lol,
You keep attacking me with that one Wiz but most people know why.
LOL, its not an attack, its my opinion of you that is all. However, you are correct at saying 'most people know why', it is because it is true. If I put myself out there as an artist I would expect some criticism and some detractors but you dont seem to be able to take it?, inferiority complex maybe?. I can take criticism of my art and I am open about what I like and what I don't like when it comes to art.
Unlike you who keeps trying to bait me and insult me with your constant garbage that I must be jealous of Banksy's success.
I don't give a fuck about Banksy making money out of what he does.
It's a business like any other business.
So drop the subtle innuendos and insults Wiz otherwise i'll just defend myself and your cronies will crawl out of the woodwork and accuse me of bullying you which I never have.
I asked you openly what your connection with Banksy was and you went quiet on that one.
It appears that anyone on this forum that is not in love with Banksy is fair game for you.
I'm sorry but Banksy's basic art and ripping off photos and images does nothing for me when it comes to being good art.
You seem to be an expert on Banksy Wiz so answer this.
What was the motivation behind Banksy attacking and destroying Robbo's graffiti?
It was a case of Banksy having an inferiority complex, jealousy and ego believing his own hype and a big mistake on his part and he knows it.
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 20:51:45 GMT 1, I thought this was all part of the game for Street artists to tag and change other artists stuff?
Could be wrong though?
I thought this was all part of the game for Street artists to tag and change other artists stuff?
Could be wrong though?
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Christiaan Nagel 7 meter Mega Mushroom crowdfunding thingy, by Sweetcorn on Sept 5, 2014 21:43:41 GMT 1, Banksy made Robbos forgotten or even un heard of piece under the canal back to life and made Robbo famous if anything Ploppi
Banksy made Robbos forgotten or even un heard of piece under the canal back to life and made Robbo famous if anything Ploppi
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