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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 18:40:08 GMT 1, Finally, the first picture of the elusive Outis!
Finally, the first picture of the elusive Outis!
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 20:22:29 GMT 1, Just saw this article... Sorry if it was posted before. Features Graffiti Prints mainly... although im not quite sure why this article has been written. it is not like this is a new phenomenon.
I found the article couple of weeks ago....... All about the money ..... staring posterboy GP :
urbanartassociation.com/thread/127164/money
Just saw this article... Sorry if it was posted before. Features Graffiti Prints mainly... although im not quite sure why this article has been written. it is not like this is a new phenomenon. I found the article couple of weeks ago....... All about the money ..... staring posterboy GP : urbanartassociation.com/thread/127164/money |
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I just can't believe that a gallery wouldn't be 100% transparent. I'm like... floored man.
It's easy to "sell" something if you're the one "buying."
I sold out my entire first show in a matter of seconds!
I just can't believe that a gallery wouldn't be 100% transparent. I'm like... floored man.
It's easy to "sell" something if you're the one "buying."
I sold out my entire first show in a matter of seconds!
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Graffiti Prints Article, by monkeyface on Mar 28, 2015 22:23:18 GMT 1, I just can't believe that a gallery wouldn't be 100% transparent. I'm like... floored man.
It's easy to "sell" something if you're the one "buying."
I sold out my entire first show in a matter of seconds!
I just can't believe that a gallery wouldn't be 100% transparent. I'm like... floored man.
It's easy to "sell" something if you're the one "buying."
I sold out my entire first show in a matter of seconds!
I'm pretty certain when this was released Giancarlo came on here and said he was keeping the wood panel for himself. |
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 22:36:46 GMT 1, I just can't believe that a gallery wouldn't be 100% transparent. I'm like... floored man.
It's easy to "sell" something if you're the one "buying."
I sold out my entire first show in a matter of seconds!
I'm pretty certain when this was released Giancarlo came on here and said he was keeping the wood panel for himself. Why take the time to list it on your site if you were planning to keep it for yourself?
Did G pay the full 2K listed on his site and then give the artist 1K? Or was the original price 4K and he created the listing using the 2K he paid directly to the artist? 50/50 being the standard and all.
I'm so confused.
I just can't believe that a gallery wouldn't be 100% transparent. I'm like... floored man.
It's easy to "sell" something if you're the one "buying."
I sold out my entire first show in a matter of seconds!
I'm pretty certain when this was released Giancarlo came on here and said he was keeping the wood panel for himself. Why take the time to list it on your site if you were planning to keep it for yourself?
Did G pay the full 2K listed on his site and then give the artist 1K? Or was the original price 4K and he created the listing using the 2K he paid directly to the artist? 50/50 being the standard and all.
I'm so confused.
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Fะฏ on Mar 28, 2015 22:47:29 GMT 1, I'm pretty certain when this was released Giancarlo came on here and said he was keeping the wood panel for himself. Why take the time to list it on your site if you were planning to keep it for yourself?
Did G pay the full 2K listed on his site and then give the artist 1K? Or was the original price 4K and he created the listing using the 2K he paid directly to the artist? 50/50 being the standard and all.
I'm so confused.
why does it matter.
I'm pretty certain when this was released Giancarlo came on here and said he was keeping the wood panel for himself. Why take the time to list it on your site if you were planning to keep it for yourself?
Did G pay the full 2K listed on his site and then give the artist 1K? Or was the original price 4K and he created the listing using the 2K he paid directly to the artist? 50/50 being the standard and all.
I'm so confused.
Why did you want to buy it? why does it matter. |
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Graffiti Prints Article, by monkeyface on Mar 28, 2015 22:49:29 GMT 1, I'm pretty certain when this was released Giancarlo came on here and said he was keeping the wood panel for himself. Why take the time to list it on your site if you were planning to keep it for yourself?
Did G pay the full 2K listed on his site and then give the artist 1K? Or was the original price 4K and he created the listing using the 2K he paid directly to the artist? 50/50 being the standard and all.
I'm so confused.
I guess for Giancarlo that's 1 of the many personal benefits of running your own print house. Who on this forum wouldn't take a few liberties if we were in his shoes. I bet he had second thoughts on the Sandra Chevrier canvas that disappeared from the GP release page yesterday and decided to keep it for himself. I know I would have.
I'm pretty certain when this was released Giancarlo came on here and said he was keeping the wood panel for himself. Why take the time to list it on your site if you were planning to keep it for yourself?
Did G pay the full 2K listed on his site and then give the artist 1K? Or was the original price 4K and he created the listing using the 2K he paid directly to the artist? 50/50 being the standard and all.
I'm so confused.
Unless your his accountant why worry about it or let it confuse you. I guess for Giancarlo that's 1 of the many personal benefits of running your own print house. Who on this forum wouldn't take a few liberties if we were in his shoes. I bet he had second thoughts on the Sandra Chevrier canvas that disappeared from the GP release page yesterday and decided to keep it for himself. I know I would have. |
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 22:51:21 GMT 1, Transparency FR, that's why I care.
I am pointing out how manipulated this hobby of ours is. It's a game of perception and the fear of missing out.
I'm doing it to try and inform people who may be new to our hobby.
Transparency FR, that's why I care.
I am pointing out how manipulated this hobby of ours is. It's a game of perception and the fear of missing out.
I'm doing it to try and inform people who may be new to our hobby.
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 22:52:35 GMT 1, Why take the time to list it on your site if you were planning to keep it for yourself?
Did G pay the full 2K listed on his site and then give the artist 1K? Or was the original price 4K and he created the listing using the 2K he paid directly to the artist? 50/50 being the standard and all.
I'm so confused.
Unless your his accountant why worry about it or let it confuse you. I guess for Giancarlo that's 1 of the many personal benefits of running your own print house. Who on this forum wouldn't take a few liberties if we were in his shoes. I bet he had second thoughts on the Sandra Chevrier canvas that disappeared from the GP release page yesterday and decided to keep it for himself. I know I would have.
Why take the time to list it on your site if you were planning to keep it for yourself?
Did G pay the full 2K listed on his site and then give the artist 1K? Or was the original price 4K and he created the listing using the 2K he paid directly to the artist? 50/50 being the standard and all.
I'm so confused.
Unless your his accountant why worry about it or let it confuse you. I guess for Giancarlo that's 1 of the many personal benefits of running your own print house. Who on this forum wouldn't take a few liberties if we were in his shoes. I bet he had second thoughts on the Sandra Chevrier canvas that disappeared from the GP release page yesterday and decided to keep it for himself. I know I would have. Nothing wrong with building hype, just be transparent about it. |
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Graffiti Prints Article, by monkeyface on Mar 28, 2015 22:54:48 GMT 1, Transparency FR, that's why I care. I am pointing out how manipulated this hobby of ours is. It's a game of perception and the fear of missing out. I'm doing it to try and inform people who may be new to our hobby.
Transparency FR, that's why I care. I am pointing out how manipulated this hobby of ours is. It's a game of perception and the fear of missing out. I'm doing it to try and inform people who may be new to our hobby. You can't get much more transparent than making a statement on here that he's going to keep it for himself. |
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 23:04:16 GMT 1, Yes you can, because not everyone who buys work from G's gallery reads this board. The average buyer sees "sold out" at 2K, not that the gallery owner "bought" it for themselves.
So, you can be more transparent. Right?
Yes you can, because not everyone who buys work from G's gallery reads this board. The average buyer sees "sold out" at 2K, not that the gallery owner "bought" it for themselves.
So, you can be more transparent. Right?
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Fะฏ on Mar 28, 2015 23:07:55 GMT 1, You dont want to know what staff at pow take home then, would give you a heart attack.
You dont want to know what staff at pow take home then, would give you a heart attack.
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 23:12:56 GMT 1, You dont want to know what staff at pow take home then, would give you a heart attack. Don't be silly FR, I am well aware of POW's "employee benefits," as well as other print houses/galleries doing the same thing. Many of these same people have very successfully manipulated the market to benefit themselves.
All one has to do is email... chances are there "just happens to be a print available."
It's not exactly rocket science. One can easily create the illusion of low supply/high demand.
You dont want to know what staff at pow take home then, would give you a heart attack. Don't be silly FR, I am well aware of POW's "employee benefits," as well as other print houses/galleries doing the same thing. Many of these same people have very successfully manipulated the market to benefit themselves.
All one has to do is email... chances are there "just happens to be a print available."
It's not exactly rocket science. One can easily create the illusion of low supply/high demand.
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Graffiti Prints Article, by monkeyface on Mar 28, 2015 23:16:55 GMT 1, Yes you can, because not everyone who buys work from G's gallery reads this board. The average buyer sees "sold out" at 2K, not that the gallery owner "bought" it for themselves. So, you can be more transparent. Right?
And in future it would be great if when we miss out on a release we really wanted GP sends us a copy of every receipt so we can count they match the number of prints released. Then we can ask for proof of postage just so there is 100% transparency
or we can just get over it and carry on with life, which is rarely transparent or fair.
Yes you can, because not everyone who buys work from G's gallery reads this board. The average buyer sees "sold out" at 2K, not that the gallery owner "bought" it for themselves. So, you can be more transparent. Right? Yes your right. And in future it would be great if when we miss out on a release we really wanted GP sends us a copy of every receipt so we can count they match the number of prints released. Then we can ask for proof of postage just so there is 100% transparency or we can just get over it and carry on with life, which is rarely transparent or fair. |
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Fะฏ on Mar 28, 2015 23:18:20 GMT 1, You dont want to know what staff at pow take home then, would give you a heart attack. Don't be silly FR, I am well aware of POW's "employee benefits," as well as other print houses/galleries doing the same thing. Many of these same people have very successfully manipulated the market to benefit themselves.
All one has to do is email... chances are there "just happens to be a print available."
It's not exactly rocket science. One can easily create the illusion of low supply/high demand.
you dont moan at tesco when they put prices up and down and find the odd cadburys creme egg out the back.
edit: you probably do moan.
You dont want to know what staff at pow take home then, would give you a heart attack. Don't be silly FR, I am well aware of POW's "employee benefits," as well as other print houses/galleries doing the same thing. Many of these same people have very successfully manipulated the market to benefit themselves.
All one has to do is email... chances are there "just happens to be a print available."
It's not exactly rocket science. One can easily create the illusion of low supply/high demand.
They can do what they like. you dont moan at tesco when they put prices up and down and find the odd cadburys creme egg out the back. edit: you probably do moan. |
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 23:30:52 GMT 1, So many straw men, so little time.
What's great is that I don't need you to see things my way. I'm just putting ideas out there for others to consider for themselves.
So many straw men, so little time.
What's great is that I don't need you to see things my way. I'm just putting ideas out there for others to consider for themselves.
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Fะฏ on Mar 28, 2015 23:34:39 GMT 1, So many straw men, so little time. What's great is that I don't need you to see things my way. I'm just putting ideas out there for others to consider for themselves. 
So many straw men, so little time. What's great is that I don't need you to see things my way. I'm just putting ideas out there for others to consider for themselves. |
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Graffiti Prints Article, by monkeyface on Mar 28, 2015 23:43:28 GMT 1, So many straw men, so little time. What's great is that I don't need you to see things my way. I'm just putting ideas out there for others to consider for themselves.
Just for transparancy I have never met Giancarlo but I have been a customer of GP several times. While I've not always got the print I was after Giancarlo has always been professional and true to his word. As a customer you can't expect better than that.
So many straw men, so little time. What's great is that I don't need you to see things my way. I'm just putting ideas out there for others to consider for themselves. That's the difference. My opinion isn't built on ideas. Just for transparancy I have never met Giancarlo but I have been a customer of GP several times. While I've not always got the print I was after Giancarlo has always been professional and true to his word. As a customer you can't expect better than that. |
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 23:48:52 GMT 1, So many straw men, so little time. What's great is that I don't need you to see things my way. I'm just putting ideas out there for others to consider for themselves. That's the difference. My opinion isn't built on ideas. Just for transparancy I have never met Giancarlo but I have been a customer of GP several times. While I've not always got the print I was after Giancarlo has always been professional and true to his word. As a customer you can't expect better than that. I've been a customer of GP too. My pink Outis is still treasured. a gray. Aside from his successful gallery, it's Giancarlo's best work.
So many straw men, so little time. What's great is that I don't need you to see things my way. I'm just putting ideas out there for others to consider for themselves. That's the difference. My opinion isn't built on ideas. Just for transparancy I have never met Giancarlo but I have been a customer of GP several times. While I've not always got the print I was after Giancarlo has always been professional and true to his word. As a customer you can't expect better than that. I've been a customer of GP too. My pink Outis is still treasured. a gray. Aside from his successful gallery, it's Giancarlo's best work.
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 0:04:48 GMT 1, Transparency FR, that's why I care. I am pointing out how manipulated this hobby of ours is. It's a game of perception and the fear of missing out. I'm doing it to try and inform people who may be new to our hobby. You can't get much more transparent than making a statement on here that he's going to keep it for himself.
Much shadier print houses to go after out there than GP
Transparency FR, that's why I care. I am pointing out how manipulated this hobby of ours is. It's a game of perception and the fear of missing out. I'm doing it to try and inform people who may be new to our hobby. You can't get much more transparent than making a statement on here that he's going to keep it for himself. GP also said it on their instagram, w/ a pic of the piece at their office/studio/whatever. Much shadier print houses to go after out there than GP |
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 0:10:39 GMT 1, Again, listing it as "sold out" when it wasn't even sold to the public is manipulative. This hobby is lousy with manipulative people. It will always be that way. Nothing wrong with a bit of discussion about it.
Again, listing it as "sold out" when it wasn't even sold to the public is manipulative. This hobby is lousy with manipulative people. It will always be that way. Nothing wrong with a bit of discussion about it.
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 0:16:30 GMT 1, Again, listing it as "sold out" when it wasn't even sold to the public is manipulative. This hobby is lousy with manipulative people. It will always be that way. Nothing wrong with a bit of discussion about it.
I was at the GP show, I asked how much that piece cost and I definitely could have bought it; it was for sale to the public. He probably decided later that day or the next that he wanted to keep it for himself and for all we know he actually paid for it, which would make it 'sold out.'
You'd be better off going after print houses that list things as 'sold out' when they really just give them to other satellite galleries that relist them for double the price; that is a shitload shadier. Not gonna name names, but this one should be obvious to anyone familiar with a balaclava print.
Again, listing it as "sold out" when it wasn't even sold to the public is manipulative. This hobby is lousy with manipulative people. It will always be that way. Nothing wrong with a bit of discussion about it. You're really speculating a ton and making a lot of assumptions, not sure what else to say. I was at the GP show, I asked how much that piece cost and I definitely could have bought it; it was for sale to the public. He probably decided later that day or the next that he wanted to keep it for himself and for all we know he actually paid for it, which would make it 'sold out.' You'd be better off going after print houses that list things as 'sold out' when they really just give them to other satellite galleries that relist them for double the price; that is a shitload shadier. Not gonna name names, but this one should be obvious to anyone familiar with a balaclava print. |
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Dr Plip on Mar 29, 2015 0:18:08 GMT 1, Isn't that the modus operandi of the whole shopping thing? We're manipulated by sellers every single day. Should we expect editioned art (or art in general) to be any different?
Isn't that the modus operandi of the whole shopping thing? We're manipulated by sellers every single day. Should we expect editioned art (or art in general) to be any different?
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Graffiti Prints Article, by monkeyface on Mar 29, 2015 0:20:53 GMT 1, You can't get much more transparent than making a statement on here that he's going to keep it for himself. GP also said it on their instagram, w/ a pic of the piece at their office/studio/whatever. Much shadier print houses to go after out there than GP
On here they get a rough deal which is probably why Giancarlo doesn't contribute as much which is a shame because the guy knows his art and nobody gave away as many prints to forum members as he did.
You can't get much more transparent than making a statement on here that he's going to keep it for himself. GP also said it on their instagram, w/ a pic of the piece at their office/studio/whatever. Much shadier print houses to go after out there than GP That's what seems to constantly overlooked. GP are at the top of their game so it's easy to bash them but as a print house they produce top quality work and know the meaning of customer service. On here they get a rough deal which is probably why Giancarlo doesn't contribute as much which is a shame because the guy knows his art and nobody gave away as many prints to forum members as he did. |
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 0:27:43 GMT 1, You guys are too funny. Let's keep it going.
Yes, Dr. Plip, we're manipulated all day and night by all kinds of things. Hell, you should see the way my students manipulate me. That doesn't mean we can't talk about.
Yes, Yesss (dss111), I am making assumptions. But aren't you doing the same thing here:
"He probably decided later that day or the next that he wanted to keep it for himself and for all we know he actually paid for it, which would make it 'sold out.'"
I assume it's human nature to make assumptions.
You guys are too funny. Let's keep it going.
Yes, Dr. Plip, we're manipulated all day and night by all kinds of things. Hell, you should see the way my students manipulate me. That doesn't mean we can't talk about.
Yes, Yesss (dss111), I am making assumptions. But aren't you doing the same thing here:
"He probably decided later that day or the next that he wanted to keep it for himself and for all we know he actually paid for it, which would make it 'sold out.'"
I assume it's human nature to make assumptions.
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Dr Plip on Mar 29, 2015 0:38:13 GMT 1, I have to say though (I don't) @shadynasty, if you feel you want to help educate newcomers to the shady dealings that transpire in the buying mosh pit that is art and art prints, then fair play to you. I feel it'll be a full-time job though. But hopefully a worthwhile one. Those that have been around for awhile may think it's old news, but you're right, some newcomers might be naรฏve to what sometimes goes on and appreciate any and all information.
I have to say though (I don't) @shadynasty, if you feel you want to help educate newcomers to the shady dealings that transpire in the buying mosh pit that is art and art prints, then fair play to you. I feel it'll be a full-time job though. But hopefully a worthwhile one. Those that have been around for awhile may think it's old news, but you're right, some newcomers might be naรฏve to what sometimes goes on and appreciate any and all information.
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 0:41:55 GMT 1, Thanks Doc.
It is a full-time job, but I'm only committed to it part-time.
Thanks Doc. It is a full-time job, but I'm only committed to it part-time. |
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Graffiti Prints Article, by Hairbland on Mar 29, 2015 0:50:44 GMT 1, Transparency FR, that's why I care. I am pointing out how manipulated this hobby of ours is. It's a game of perception and the fear of missing out. I'm doing it to try and inform people who may be new to our hobby.
All art sales are manipulated.
Transparency FR, that's why I care. I am pointing out how manipulated this hobby of ours is. It's a game of perception and the fear of missing out. I'm doing it to try and inform people who may be new to our hobby. All art sales are manipulated. |
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