rebelate
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by rebelate on Jun 23, 2015 9:05:45 GMT 1, **Edited - After receiving threats from the online gallery mentioned, and then personal attacks from a forum member who happens to share the same broken english (What a coincidence  ). I have decided to remove the name of the gallery however you can see it yourself as the "seller" of the second ebay link.**
Not sure if this is in the right spot, but Guardians go ahead and move as you see fit please! Also I know we aren't theoretically supposed to post Ebay links but these are sold listings and purely for educational purposes.
Did a bit of detective work today and found the following.
This is basically another example of how we all need to be careful when purchasing "perfect" & "mint" prints... even from online 'galleries'.
4/23/2015
Definitely not a "Perfect" NOLA BOUGHT (by *** *** I ASSUME- just an assumption;) you can make your own verdict) off ebay for $14900 USD LINK
- Crease below number in lower left hand corner (see photo)
- On the backside of the print, right on the margin/edge 4 whiter spots (both approx. 1 cm by 1 cm)
-On the front, a small darker area (approx. 1 cm x 1 cm) located on the margin/edge of the print under the edition number and blind stamp.
6/2/2015
"PERFECT CONDITION" NOLA SOLD on ebay (by *** ***) for $25,500 USD LINK
- "The condition is Perfect for this print, print was framed and was removed from the framed by a professional"
-Seller posted many photos, however none of the lower left hand corner edge where the visible crease was located on the previous listing.
Check out the Pest Control COAs for both (identical match wouldn't you agree?), definitely the same "non-perfect" print bought originally for $14,900 for the purpose of flipping, then resold claiming it's "perfect" for $25,500. Even if it was restored so that there is no visible crease (which I doubt because photos of the lower right hand corner would have been posted), I believe there is a lesson to be learned here and a great example take descriptions of conditions with a grain of salt...
Hopefully this helps the forum community here in one way or another!
Happy Hunting!
**Edited - After receiving threats from the online gallery mentioned, and then personal attacks from a forum member who happens to share the same broken english (What a coincidence ). I have decided to remove the name of the gallery however you can see it yourself as the "seller" of the second ebay link.** Not sure if this is in the right spot, but Guardians go ahead and move as you see fit please! Also I know we aren't theoretically supposed to post Ebay links but these are sold listings and purely for educational purposes. Did a bit of detective work today and found the following. This is basically another example of how we all need to be careful when purchasing "perfect" & "mint" prints... even from online 'galleries'. 4/23/2015
Definitely not a "Perfect" NOLA BOUGHT (by *** *** I ASSUME- just an assumption;) you can make your own verdict) off ebay for $14900 USD LINK- Crease below number in lower left hand corner (see photo) - On the backside of the print, right on the margin/edge 4 whiter spots (both approx. 1 cm by 1 cm) -On the front, a small darker area (approx. 1 cm x 1 cm) located on the margin/edge of the print under the edition number and blind stamp. 6/2/2015"PERFECT CONDITION" NOLA SOLD on ebay (by *** ***) for $25,500 USD LINK- "The condition is Perfect for this print, print was framed and was removed from the framed by a professional" -Seller posted many photos, however none of the lower left hand corner edge where the visible crease was located on the previous listing. Check out the Pest Control COAs for both (identical match wouldn't you agree?), definitely the same "non-perfect" print bought originally for $14,900 for the purpose of flipping, then resold claiming it's "perfect" for $25,500. Even if it was restored so that there is no visible crease (which I doubt because photos of the lower right hand corner would have been posted), I believe there is a lesson to be learned here and a great example take descriptions of conditions with a grain of salt...Hopefully this helps the forum community here in one way or another! Happy Hunting! |
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by samfrost on Jun 23, 2015 13:59:03 GMT 1, Nice detective work! I am still skeptical of the 6/2/15 sale at $25.5k USD...
Shenanigans are alive and well on the Bay.
Nice detective work! I am still skeptical of the 6/2/15 sale at $25.5k USD...
Shenanigans are alive and well on the Bay.
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by avec art on Jun 23, 2015 15:08:46 GMT 1, How about this then, I was going to say something on here at the time but was busy with other things. I didn't expect anyone to bid on it as it was so completely suspect. link
The photo the seller used was from this report, ironically from a fraud investigation! Some of you are probably familiar with the article.
www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/9872784/Police-recover-Banksy-works-in-fraud-investigation.html
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 15:22:21 GMT 1, I personally would never buy anything of ebay at that value ! Crazy
$25,000!
Nuts
I personally would never buy anything of ebay at that value ! Crazy
$25,000!
Nuts
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by rebelate on Jun 23, 2015 15:52:05 GMT 1, Well if that's not a slap your forehead moment I don't know what is. WOW!
Well if that's not a slap your forehead moment I don't know what is. WOW! |
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by DrWhite on Jun 23, 2015 18:02:29 GMT 1, Hmmmmmm..... 
Hmmmmmm..... |
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by samfrost on Jun 23, 2015 18:11:53 GMT 1, Wherever there is a buck to be made, there will be scammers and unscrupulous folks. It is easy to get caught up in the price hype. Be sure to take a look around and know your seller!!!
Wherever there is a buck to be made, there will be scammers and unscrupulous folks. It is easy to get caught up in the price hype. Be sure to take a look around and know your seller!!!
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by Yeah Yeah Yeah Round2 on Jun 23, 2015 19:16:07 GMT 1, I personally would never buy anything of ebay at that value ! Crazy $25,000! Nuts  !
I personally would never buy anything of ebay at that value ! Crazy $25,000! Nuts In a bizarre way, I'm more inclined to buy from eBay rather than the 'offers' on here!! ! |
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by samfrost on Jun 23, 2015 19:19:41 GMT 1, I personally would never buy anything of ebay at that value ! Crazy $25,000! Nuts In a bizarre way, I'm more inclined to buy from eBay rather than the 'offers' on here!! !
A somewhat murky level of price transparency on the Bay definitely has some value vs. The fake bidding wars and negotiating against yourself battles on the forum.
I personally would never buy anything of ebay at that value ! Crazy $25,000! Nuts In a bizarre way, I'm more inclined to buy from eBay rather than the 'offers' on here!! ! A somewhat murky level of price transparency on the Bay definitely has some value vs. The fake bidding wars and negotiating against yourself battles on the forum. |
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by Yeah Yeah Yeah Round2 on Jun 23, 2015 19:30:40 GMT 1, In a bizarre way, I'm more inclined to buy from eBay rather than the 'offers' on here!! ! A somewhat murky level of price transparency on the Bay definitely has some value vs. The fake bidding wars and negotiating against yourself battles on the forum.
In a bizarre way, I'm more inclined to buy from eBay rather than the 'offers' on here!! ! A somewhat murky level of price transparency on the Bay definitely has some value vs. The fake bidding wars and negotiating against yourself battles on the forum. I tottally agree. I've dropped a lot of money to different board members over the last couple of months, but I only bought from sellers listing a price. I can't be bothered with 'offers' game, list your price and sell the thing lol!! |
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by J0NNY on Jun 24, 2015 1:56:33 GMT 1, Nine times out of ten you can actually get what your after cheaper if it's an auction listing on the bay, and even if you can't view in person Paypal have been good to me in the past on disputes - it seems here every time a item goes for a good price people try to play it down- seems dodgy etc.
( Not talking about your findings op- good work BTW). Deal with Hyped prices here and people who insist on sending payment through PP gift to send you that 'mint' piece that's got corner damage is just hassle. Now it's just whether or not you got the patience to wait for a rarer piece to come up on Ebay that's another question.
Nine times out of ten you can actually get what your after cheaper if it's an auction listing on the bay, and even if you can't view in person Paypal have been good to me in the past on disputes - it seems here every time a item goes for a good price people try to play it down- seems dodgy etc.
( Not talking about your findings op- good work BTW). Deal with Hyped prices here and people who insist on sending payment through PP gift to send you that 'mint' piece that's got corner damage is just hassle. Now it's just whether or not you got the patience to wait for a rarer piece to come up on Ebay that's another question.
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by pressman on Jun 26, 2015 9:51:35 GMT 1, Its not the same print, or at least the pictures are not of the same print. The signature in the first link encroaches on the print whereas the second link does not....
Its not the same print, or at least the pictures are not of the same print. The signature in the first link encroaches on the print whereas the second link does not....
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by Happy Shopper on Jun 26, 2015 9:59:13 GMT 1, Its not the same print, or at least the pictures are not of the same print. The signature in the first link encroaches on the print whereas the second link does not....
Well spotted.. although that makes it even more dodgy as the COAs are clearly identical! Something is off here.
Its not the same print, or at least the pictures are not of the same print. The signature in the first link encroaches on the print whereas the second link does not.... Well spotted.. although that makes it even more dodgy as the COAs are clearly identical! Something is off here. |
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by 11 on Jun 26, 2015 11:57:35 GMT 1, **Edited - After receiving threats from the online gallery mentioned, and then personal attacks from a forum member who happens to share the same broken english (What a coincidence ). I have decided to remove the name of the gallery however you can see it yourself as the "seller" of the second ebay link.** Not sure if this is in the right spot, but Guardians go ahead and move as you see fit please! Also I know we aren't theoretically supposed to post Ebay links but these are sold listings and purely for educational purposes. Did a bit of detective work today and found the following. ย This is basically another example of how we all need to be careful when purchasing "perfect" & "mint" prints... even from online 'galleries'. 4/23/2015
Definitely not a "Perfect" NOLA BOUGHTย (by *** *** I ASSUME- just an assumption;) you can make your own verdict) off ebay for $14900 USDย LINK- Crease below number in lower left hand corner (see photo) - On the backside of the print, right on the margin/edge 4 whiter spots (both approx. 1 cm by 1 cm) -On the front, a small darker area (approx. 1 cm x 1 cm) located on the margin/edge of the print under the edition number and blind stamp. 6/2/2015"PERFECT CONDITION" NOLA SOLDย on ebay (by *** ***) for $25,500 USDย LINK- "The condition is Perfect for this print, print was framed and was removed from the framed by a professional" -Seller posted many photos, however none of the lower left hand corner edge where the visible crease was located on the previous listing. Check out the Pest Control COAsย for both (identical match wouldn't you agree?),ย definitely the same "non-perfect" print bought originally for $14,900 for theย purpose of flipping, then resold claiming it's "perfect" for $25,500. ย Even if it was restored so thatย there is no visible crease (which I doubt because photos of the lower right hand corner would have been posted), I believe there is a lesson to be learned here and a great example take descriptions of conditions with a grain of salt...Hopefully this helps the forum community here in one way or another! Happy Hunting!
Not sure what happened to my original post so editing it back in....
If anybody receives messages that are abusive, offensive or threatening then you should report them to Silky or one of the guardians
People tempted to make threats or become abusive should also remember that cyber bullying is in fact a criminal offence and you could be prosecuted for it
Contrary to belief we do not see PM's at all so can only rely on you all to bring 'dodgy' behaviour via Pm to our attention
rebelate if you are concerned please get in touch by PM and we will look into this
**Edited - After receiving threats from the online gallery mentioned, and then personal attacks from a forum member who happens to share the same broken english (What a coincidence ). I have decided to remove the name of the gallery however you can see it yourself as the "seller" of the second ebay link.** Not sure if this is in the right spot, but Guardians go ahead and move as you see fit please! Also I know we aren't theoretically supposed to post Ebay links but these are sold listings and purely for educational purposes. Did a bit of detective work today and found the following. ย This is basically another example of how we all need to be careful when purchasing "perfect" & "mint" prints... even from online 'galleries'. 4/23/2015
Definitely not a "Perfect" NOLA BOUGHTย (by *** *** I ASSUME- just an assumption;) you can make your own verdict) off ebay for $14900 USDย LINK- Crease below number in lower left hand corner (see photo) - On the backside of the print, right on the margin/edge 4 whiter spots (both approx. 1 cm by 1 cm) -On the front, a small darker area (approx. 1 cm x 1 cm) located on the margin/edge of the print under the edition number and blind stamp. 6/2/2015"PERFECT CONDITION" NOLA SOLDย on ebay (by *** ***) for $25,500 USDย LINK- "The condition is Perfect for this print, print was framed and was removed from the framed by a professional" -Seller posted many photos, however none of the lower left hand corner edge where the visible crease was located on the previous listing. Check out the Pest Control COAsย for both (identical match wouldn't you agree?),ย definitely the same "non-perfect" print bought originally for $14,900 for theย purpose of flipping, then resold claiming it's "perfect" for $25,500. ย Even if it was restored so thatย there is no visible crease (which I doubt because photos of the lower right hand corner would have been posted), I believe there is a lesson to be learned here and a great example take descriptions of conditions with a grain of salt...Hopefully this helps the forum community here in one way or another! Happy Hunting! Not sure what happened to my original post so editing it back in.... If anybody receives messages that are abusive, offensive or threatening then you should report them to Silky or one of the guardians People tempted to make threats or become abusive should also remember that cyber bullying is in fact a criminal offence and you could be prosecuted for it Contrary to belief we do not see PM's at all so can only rely on you all to bring 'dodgy' behaviour via Pm to our attention rebelate if you are concerned please get in touch by PM and we will look into this |
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 12:26:50 GMT 1, If you look at the terms on PayPal, it's actually very buyer friendly. Right down to shipping and damage. Listing must be identical or sale is reversed. eBay owns PayPal or vice versa.
I'll always pay that 3% To protect the sale, and always gear purchases towards PayPal over wires, in person, whatever.
If you look at the terms on PayPal, it's actually very buyer friendly. Right down to shipping and damage. Listing must be identical or sale is reversed. eBay owns PayPal or vice versa.
I'll always pay that 3% To protect the sale, and always gear purchases towards PayPal over wires, in person, whatever.
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by gatecrasher on Jun 26, 2015 12:38:33 GMT 1, A somewhat murky level of price transparency on the Bay definitely has some value vs. The fake bidding wars and negotiating against yourself battles on the forum. I tottally agree. I've dropped a lot of money to different board members over the last couple of months, but I only bought from sellers listing a price. I can't be bothered with 'offers' game, list your price and sell the thing lol!!
My feeling is there's a lot more shill bidding on the Bay than pretend bids on here. At least I hope that's the case
A somewhat murky level of price transparency on the Bay definitely has some value vs. The fake bidding wars and negotiating against yourself battles on the forum. I tottally agree. I've dropped a lot of money to different board members over the last couple of months, but I only bought from sellers listing a price. I can't be bothered with 'offers' game, list your price and sell the thing lol!! That's the point of offers though. You make the offer you think the art is worth and that you're comfortable with. If it's accepted then all's good, if it isn't then ah well move on. My feeling is there's a lot more shill bidding on the Bay than pretend bids on here. At least I hope that's the case |
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by rebelate on Jun 26, 2015 18:20:18 GMT 1, Its not the same print, or at least the pictures are not of the same print. The signature in the first link encroaches on the print whereas the second link does not....
Good eye, but like Happy Shopper just stated below. That makes it even more sketchy. Surely we all agree the COA is identical. Not to mention it is a misrepresentation of the item for sale. If I were the buyer and I was saw the two links. I'd return this based off the inconsistencies alone.
HYPOTHETICAL, not sure how Pest control would handle it but let's use an extreme example.
Hypothetically, Let's say you sell someone a fake signed print with a real COA, buyer takes it and doesn't contact Pest Control to register it because heck he bought it from a "well known online gallery". In the mean time you still have the real print and a copy of the COA, you contact Pest Control and state that the COA is lost or stolen. But the photos of the print check out with the signature encroaching, etc. I'm sure with a little bit of leg work you can get another COA issued to you I'm assuming? Then you have the ability to sell again?
I know it's an extreme case but surely crazier things have happened? I assuming Pest Control could handle an issue like this but people get creative for money as we all know...
Its not the same print, or at least the pictures are not of the same print. The signature in the first link encroaches on the print whereas the second link does not.... Good eye, but like Happy Shopper just stated below. That makes it even more sketchy. Surely we all agree the COA is identical. Not to mention it is a misrepresentation of the item for sale. If I were the buyer and I was saw the two links. I'd return this based off the inconsistencies alone. HYPOTHETICAL, not sure how Pest control would handle it but let's use an extreme example. Hypothetically, Let's say you sell someone a fake signed print with a real COA, buyer takes it and doesn't contact Pest Control to register it because heck he bought it from a "well known online gallery". In the mean time you still have the real print and a copy of the COA, you contact Pest Control and state that the COA is lost or stolen. But the photos of the print check out with the signature encroaching, etc. I'm sure with a little bit of leg work you can get another COA issued to you I'm assuming? Then you have the ability to sell again? I know it's an extreme case but surely crazier things have happened? I assuming Pest Control could handle an issue like this but people get creative for money as we all know... |
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by Yeah Yeah Yeah Round2 on Jun 28, 2015 16:51:14 GMT 1, I tottally agree. I've dropped a lot of money to different board members over the last couple of months, but I only bought from sellers listing a price. I can't be bothered with 'offers' game, list your price and sell the thing lol!! That's the point of offers though. You make the offer you think the art is worth and that you're comfortable with. If it's accepted then all's good, if it isn't then ah well move on. My feeling is there's a lot more shill bidding on the Bay than pretend bids on here. At least I hope that's the case
But there is a lot of worthless prints that aren't even worth retail that have send me offers on them!! One offs are a different game.
but this is a smallish community and I've dealt with most users on sneakers, vinyl or toy forums over the past decade!
I tottally agree. I've dropped a lot of money to different board members over the last couple of months, but I only bought from sellers listing a price. I can't be bothered with 'offers' game, list your price and sell the thing lol!! That's the point of offers though. You make the offer you think the art is worth and that you're comfortable with. If it's accepted then all's good, if it isn't then ah well move on. My feeling is there's a lot more shill bidding on the Bay than pretend bids on here. At least I hope that's the case I totally agree. I'm no good a determining the market value and when I see 'offers' I send such a low ball price that not only do I insult the seller but his extended family too lol!! But there is a lot of worthless prints that aren't even worth retail that have send me offers on them!! One offs are a different game. but this is a smallish community and I've dealt with most users on sneakers, vinyl or toy forums over the past decade! |
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by rebelate on Jul 24, 2015 10:35:53 GMT 1, BUMP for newartonline and gironawatch
Beware of new art online guys.
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by Metropolis Art on Jul 24, 2015 10:58:58 GMT 1, Please don't tar us all with the same brush peeps.
Please don't tar us all with the same brush peeps.
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 14:52:20 GMT 1, Ive not bought from newartonline in last 2-3 years but before that i bought numerous prints from them over a 2-3 year period and all transactions were excellent. All provenance intact, PC change of ownership all no problems, prints all in good condition etc. Mostly Banksy's, couple of pure evils and a Cranio original.
Ive not bought from newartonline in last 2-3 years but before that i bought numerous prints from them over a 2-3 year period and all transactions were excellent. All provenance intact, PC change of ownership all no problems, prints all in good condition etc. Mostly Banksy's, couple of pure evils and a Cranio original.
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 20:47:32 GMT 1, Never had any problems either with them or Gironawatch !
Never had any problems either with them or Gironawatch !
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by Fish in the Sea on Jul 24, 2015 21:58:35 GMT 1, Had few dealings with gironawatch and they all have been excellent
Had few dealings with gironawatch and they all have been excellent |
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by Fish in the Sea on Jul 24, 2015 21:58:33 GMT 1, Had few dealings with gironawatch and they all have been excellent
Had few dealings with gironawatch and they all have been excellent |
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by rillo on Jul 24, 2015 22:51:24 GMT 1, Had few dealings with gironawatch and they all have been excellent
Ditto
Had few dealings with gironawatch and they all have been excellent Ditto |
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by snoozy on Jul 25, 2015 1:27:36 GMT 1, Had few dealings with gironawatch and they all have been excellent
Had few dealings with gironawatch and they all have been excellent Same here, no problems |
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by 1whatremains on Jul 26, 2015 21:29:05 GMT 1, My boyfriend used to do a lot of dealings with gironawatch about 4-5 years ago and never had any problems whatsoever and cash paid on the nail
My boyfriend used to do a lot of dealings with gironawatch about 4-5 years ago and never had any problems whatsoever and cash paid on the nail
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by coller on Jul 26, 2015 22:15:36 GMT 1, Is the 'Wrong War" on cardboard really that small?
Is the 'Wrong War" on cardboard really that small? |
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by Board Stupid on Jul 26, 2015 22:19:35 GMT 1, Is the 'Wrong War" on cardboard really that small?
Yep, A4 in size but it's not on cardboard - I own one.
Is the 'Wrong War" on cardboard really that small? Yep, A4 in size but it's not on cardboard - I own one. |
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Buyers Beware: Flippers Woes by an unnamed online Gallery, by coller on Jul 26, 2015 22:21:32 GMT 1, Is the 'Wrong War" on cardboard really that small? Yep, A4 in size but it's not on cardboard - I own one.
Is the 'Wrong War" on cardboard really that small? Yep, A4 in size but it's not on cardboard - I own one. That blows my mind. Don't those go for a ton? |
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