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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by wiz on Mar 3, 2009 12:58:59 GMT 1, You bought them Ed?.
You bought them Ed?.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by edcase on Mar 3, 2009 13:48:42 GMT 1, LOL....no chance, just your doubles to swap comment got me misty eyed for swapping football stickers and the like in the playground as a kid
LOL....no chance, just your doubles to swap comment got me misty eyed for swapping football stickers and the like in the playground as a kid
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by flypitcher on Mar 18, 2009 23:36:50 GMT 1, Will Banksy ever reach the acclaim of Basquiat in the art world. If not, why not?
Will Banksy ever reach the acclaim of Basquiat in the art world. If not, why not?
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by sfdoddsy on Mar 19, 2009 1:29:10 GMT 1, No.
There is no soul to his work.
No.
There is no soul to his work.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by kronoopus on Mar 19, 2009 1:39:29 GMT 1, I think you are comparing apples and oranges......Or Basquiat's to Banksy's in this case. Can't do it, they are 2 completely different artists. You can get a laugh out of a Banksy, but I have never laughed at a Basquiat. I can only say holy crap when looking at a Basquiat.
I think you are comparing apples and oranges......Or Basquiat's to Banksy's in this case. Can't do it, they are 2 completely different artists. You can get a laugh out of a Banksy, but I have never laughed at a Basquiat. I can only say holy crap when looking at a Basquiat.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 1:48:00 GMT 1, who's Basquiat
who's Basquiat
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by skelly on Mar 19, 2009 1:55:44 GMT 1,
The most well respected in the art world of any artist that dabbled in the streets.
As for the question at hand I sort of agree with Kronoopus, I almost don't considering Banksy's work art? It seems to be outside of art...when I look at a Banksy it is a much different situation than when I look at any other artis...Banksy's work as well in words as they do in pictures
The most well respected in the art world of any artist that dabbled in the streets. As for the question at hand I sort of agree with Kronoopus, I almost don't considering Banksy's work art? It seems to be outside of art...when I look at a Banksy it is a much different situation than when I look at any other artis...Banksy's work as well in words as they do in pictures
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by jamesreeve5 on Mar 19, 2009 2:04:21 GMT 1, There is a certain feeling of "epic-ness" that comes with looking at a Basquiat piece that even large Banksy works can't attain. Although Banksy might get the acclaim equal or even greater than Basquiat one day, individual Basquiat pieces will always overshadow individual Banksy pieces in direct comparison.
I think the best analogy to illustrate this would be comparing Rauschenberg to Warhol. I have personally stood in front of Rauschenberg's piece "Bed" and contemplated a wave of different emotions and thoughts that I never could have done with a Warhol. And while Warhol is much more highly acclaimed in the art world, the commodifiable aspects of his pieces detract from the "epic-ness" of their impact. I have never been awestruck by a lone-standing Warhol piece in a museum, that is to say the magnitude of Warhol is only realized when you look at the body of his work as a whole.
There is a certain feeling of "epic-ness" that comes with looking at a Basquiat piece that even large Banksy works can't attain. Although Banksy might get the acclaim equal or even greater than Basquiat one day, individual Basquiat pieces will always overshadow individual Banksy pieces in direct comparison.
I think the best analogy to illustrate this would be comparing Rauschenberg to Warhol. I have personally stood in front of Rauschenberg's piece "Bed" and contemplated a wave of different emotions and thoughts that I never could have done with a Warhol. And while Warhol is much more highly acclaimed in the art world, the commodifiable aspects of his pieces detract from the "epic-ness" of their impact. I have never been awestruck by a lone-standing Warhol piece in a museum, that is to say the magnitude of Warhol is only realized when you look at the body of his work as a whole.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 2:14:47 GMT 1,
I bet Warhol wanted to batter him in the ring
I bet Warhol wanted to batter him in the ring
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 2:22:47 GMT 1,
don't take this the wrong way but is this better than Banksy? And if so why? please enlighten me
don't take this the wrong way but is this better than Banksy? And if so why? please enlighten me
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by mose on Mar 19, 2009 2:27:42 GMT 1, I have never been awestruck by a lone-standing Warhol piece in a museum, that is to say the magnitude of Warhol is only realized when you look at the body of his work as a whole.
I agree wholeheartedly. To me, the best of Banksy is Wall and Piece. Individually, outside of Kissing Cops and Are You Using that Chair, I have never had much of a reaction to any Banksy piece in isolation.
I have never been awestruck by a lone-standing Warhol piece in a museum, that is to say the magnitude of Warhol is only realized when you look at the body of his work as a whole. I agree wholeheartedly. To me, the best of Banksy is Wall and Piece. Individually, outside of Kissing Cops and Are You Using that Chair, I have never had much of a reaction to any Banksy piece in isolation.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by aginghippie on Mar 19, 2009 2:45:32 GMT 1, Will Banksy ever reach the acclaim of Basquiat in the art world. If not, why not? Maybe. Banksy has the advantage of being alive so he can grow and evolve. He is also still largely a UK phenomenon as can be seen by the prices his work fetches at auction in the UK vs. the rest of the world.
My personal view is that Banksy's pieces work best on the street because he is brilliant at context and that is what he will probably be remembered for in the end. The works on canvas and print are fun as pop art and I confess to owning a few of the early prints but they lack the scale, power, and subversiveness of his street work.
Ultimately the thing that makes him great in the street also works against him in the conventional setting. You lose the "oh my god did he really do that" feeling as you go past a street piece when you look at the image in your house every day. It's decorative and comfortable but you can plumb it's depths easily. Because of that lack of depth I wouldn't spend serious money on his work at this time.
Will Banksy ever reach the acclaim of Basquiat in the art world. If not, why not? Maybe. Banksy has the advantage of being alive so he can grow and evolve. He is also still largely a UK phenomenon as can be seen by the prices his work fetches at auction in the UK vs. the rest of the world. My personal view is that Banksy's pieces work best on the street because he is brilliant at context and that is what he will probably be remembered for in the end. The works on canvas and print are fun as pop art and I confess to owning a few of the early prints but they lack the scale, power, and subversiveness of his street work. Ultimately the thing that makes him great in the street also works against him in the conventional setting. You lose the "oh my god did he really do that" feeling as you go past a street piece when you look at the image in your house every day. It's decorative and comfortable but you can plumb it's depths easily. Because of that lack of depth I wouldn't spend serious money on his work at this time.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by gbh on Mar 19, 2009 2:49:26 GMT 1, I bet Warhol wanted to batter him in the ring
Gold star awarded for your awesomeness funny as fuck
I bet Warhol wanted to batter him in the ring Gold star awarded for your awesomeness funny as fuck
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by snausages on Mar 19, 2009 3:08:36 GMT 1, I don't agree that Banksy is decorative. I find squiggles on a canvas decorative, I don't find ironic juxtapositions decorative nor something that is shallow in depth.
I can understand where some of these sentiments are coming from. Of course visually a Basquiat is much more complex and is of course stunning in its own way but it's a bit of comparing apples and oranges. I never experience a Basquiat the same way as I experience Banksy's Kissing Coppers for example. Or the streetwork for VLH, we've probably all seen the videos of people gazing at it, interacting with it etc. People interacting with a Banksy this way is probably something that's never quite happened with a Basquiat. Not saying it's better but just a different experience that's incomparable.
I'd say similar things about Hirst or Duchamp, a lot of their work isn't visually attractive in a traditional sense, but they can still stop me and get me thinking for usually much longer than a 'pretty' or decorative artwork can.
And I think by this point Banksy has become a lot more known in the US. Although still far from the household name he is in the UK. But I think a fair amount of people that have a clue about current culture, the visual world and what's happening today here have at least heard about him.
I don't agree that Banksy is decorative. I find squiggles on a canvas decorative, I don't find ironic juxtapositions decorative nor something that is shallow in depth.
I can understand where some of these sentiments are coming from. Of course visually a Basquiat is much more complex and is of course stunning in its own way but it's a bit of comparing apples and oranges. I never experience a Basquiat the same way as I experience Banksy's Kissing Coppers for example. Or the streetwork for VLH, we've probably all seen the videos of people gazing at it, interacting with it etc. People interacting with a Banksy this way is probably something that's never quite happened with a Basquiat. Not saying it's better but just a different experience that's incomparable.
I'd say similar things about Hirst or Duchamp, a lot of their work isn't visually attractive in a traditional sense, but they can still stop me and get me thinking for usually much longer than a 'pretty' or decorative artwork can.
And I think by this point Banksy has become a lot more known in the US. Although still far from the household name he is in the UK. But I think a fair amount of people that have a clue about current culture, the visual world and what's happening today here have at least heard about him.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by kronoopus on Mar 19, 2009 3:19:57 GMT 1, don't take this the wrong way but is this better than Banksy? And if so why? please enlighten me
I also love what Banksy did with the Mona image. Again you are almost comparing different mediums. Basquiat is raw and stirs emotion. For me it is......Well, I could do a Basquiat, heck my kid can do a Basquiat. Then when you try.....It ain't as easy as it looks! It is quite hard to explain if you haven't seen a real Basquiat in person. Especially the very large ones. I have walked away speechless. A Banksy I get a chuckle and say that is awesome. I shoulda thought of that.
don't take this the wrong way but is this better than Banksy? And if so why? please enlighten me I also love what Banksy did with the Mona image. Again you are almost comparing different mediums. Basquiat is raw and stirs emotion. For me it is......Well, I could do a Basquiat, heck my kid can do a Basquiat. Then when you try.....It ain't as easy as it looks! It is quite hard to explain if you haven't seen a real Basquiat in person. Especially the very large ones. I have walked away speechless. A Banksy I get a chuckle and say that is awesome. I shoulda thought of that.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by snausages on Mar 19, 2009 3:20:19 GMT 1, I have never been awestruck by a lone-standing Warhol piece in a museum, that is to say the magnitude of Warhol is only realized when you look at the body of his work as a whole. Wow, I don't agree, I've seen some huge warhol canvases, the hand embellished, painted ones that completely blew me away. Especially the first time I saw a huge Hammer & Sickle canvas
I have never been awestruck by a lone-standing Warhol piece in a museum, that is to say the magnitude of Warhol is only realized when you look at the body of his work as a whole. Wow, I don't agree, I've seen some huge warhol canvases, the hand embellished, painted ones that completely blew me away. Especially the first time I saw a huge Hammer & Sickle canvas
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 3:28:47 GMT 1, Is this a simple US - UK thing? Is it because he was one of the first crossover street artists? Dose Basquiat being dead add any weight to this issue?
Is this a simple US - UK thing? Is it because he was one of the first crossover street artists? Dose Basquiat being dead add any weight to this issue?
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 3:32:41 GMT 1, don't take this the wrong way but is this better than Banksy? And if so why? please enlighten me I also love what Banksy did with the Mona image. Again you are almost comparing different mediums. Basquiat is raw and stirs emotion. For me it is......Well, I could do a Basquiat, heck my kid can do a Basquiat. Then when you try.....It ain't as easy as it looks! It is quite hard to explain if you haven't seen a real Basquiat in person. Especially the very large ones. I have walked away speechless. A Banksy I get a chuckle and say that is awesome. I shoulda thought of that.
you took the words... I will have to see one up close,until then i will try and keep an open mind
don't take this the wrong way but is this better than Banksy? And if so why? please enlighten me I also love what Banksy did with the Mona image. Again you are almost comparing different mediums. Basquiat is raw and stirs emotion. For me it is......Well, I could do a Basquiat, heck my kid can do a Basquiat. Then when you try.....It ain't as easy as it looks! It is quite hard to explain if you haven't seen a real Basquiat in person. Especially the very large ones. I have walked away speechless. A Banksy I get a chuckle and say that is awesome. I shoulda thought of that. you took the words... I will have to see one up close,until then i will try and keep an open mind
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 3:50:40 GMT 1, i always thought this was Jimi hendrix
i always thought this was Jimi hendrix
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by aginghippie on Mar 19, 2009 4:01:09 GMT 1, Is this a simple US - UK thing? Is it because he was one of the first crossover street artists? Dose Basquiat being dead add any weight to this issue? I think the answer to all of those is no. I raised the point of Basquiat being dead not because it adds weight but because it means his career is over - he cannot evolve, his canon of work is complete. Banksy can continue to grow and improve. I still think Banksy will be remembered for his street work rather than the prints and canvases.
Is this a simple US - UK thing? Is it because he was one of the first crossover street artists? Dose Basquiat being dead add any weight to this issue? I think the answer to all of those is no. I raised the point of Basquiat being dead not because it adds weight but because it means his career is over - he cannot evolve, his canon of work is complete. Banksy can continue to grow and improve. I still think Banksy will be remembered for his street work rather than the prints and canvases.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by sfdoddsy on Mar 19, 2009 4:40:03 GMT 1, I wouldn't judge Basquiat on the Mona Lisa above. It is one of his weakest pieces.
However, when I look at something like following and compare it to Banksy the difference is (to me) self-evident.
I wouldn't judge Basquiat on the Mona Lisa above. It is one of his weakest pieces. However, when I look at something like following and compare it to Banksy the difference is (to me) self-evident.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by jamesreeve5 on Mar 19, 2009 4:50:51 GMT 1, I have never been awestruck by a lone-standing Warhol piece in a museum, that is to say the magnitude of Warhol is only realized when you look at the body of his work as a whole. Wow, I don't agree, I've seen some huge warhol canvases, the hand embellished, painted ones that completely blew me away. Especially the first time I saw a huge Hammer & Sickle canvas
The Hammer and Sickle are beautiful, but lack intimacy in my opinion.
The closest I have ever come to being awestruck in front of a Warhol was standing in front of the Gold Marilyn at MoMA for the first time, but if I had a hypothetical list of "most awestruck I've been standing in front of it" works, nothing by Warhol would likely be in the top 50.
I guess the works I have been most profoundly impacted by upon my initial viewing of them have been works that exist on a grand scale, but express a profound intimacy. This does not mean however, that I only like artists that do this, in fact I often times prefer the opposite of it (Koons is one of my favorites).
I have never been awestruck by a lone-standing Warhol piece in a museum, that is to say the magnitude of Warhol is only realized when you look at the body of his work as a whole. Wow, I don't agree, I've seen some huge warhol canvases, the hand embellished, painted ones that completely blew me away. Especially the first time I saw a huge Hammer & Sickle canvas The Hammer and Sickle are beautiful, but lack intimacy in my opinion. The closest I have ever come to being awestruck in front of a Warhol was standing in front of the Gold Marilyn at MoMA for the first time, but if I had a hypothetical list of "most awestruck I've been standing in front of it" works, nothing by Warhol would likely be in the top 50. I guess the works I have been most profoundly impacted by upon my initial viewing of them have been works that exist on a grand scale, but express a profound intimacy. This does not mean however, that I only like artists that do this, in fact I often times prefer the opposite of it (Koons is one of my favorites).
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by snausages on Mar 19, 2009 5:31:52 GMT 1, ^ Hammer & Sickle would be in my top 50 but hey, wees all different.
However, when I look at something like following and compare it to Banksy the difference is (to me) self-evident.
I see that Basquiat and ^ think of this. I still think you're comparing two different things. I mean given a choice I'd pick the Basquiat to hang in my place as opposed to this Banksy ...but I think the Banksy is coming from a whole different place and the context they just can't be compared. How much impact will Banksy have on the artworld as compared to Basquiat I think we'll have to wait and see but it will be a different kind of impact, more conceptual.
^ Hammer & Sickle would be in my top 50 but hey, wees all different. However, when I look at something like following and compare it to Banksy the difference is (to me) self-evident. I see that Basquiat and ^ think of this. I still think you're comparing two different things. I mean given a choice I'd pick the Basquiat to hang in my place as opposed to this Banksy ...but I think the Banksy is coming from a whole different place and the context they just can't be compared. How much impact will Banksy have on the artworld as compared to Basquiat I think we'll have to wait and see but it will be a different kind of impact, more conceptual.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by jamesreeve5 on Mar 19, 2009 6:29:13 GMT 1, I've got to agree with you on that Snausages... this thread was doomed from the start. To try and compare these two artists is of disservice to them both. I was simply trying to sew the threads together in a cohesive enough way to derive some kind of logical point from the whole thing.
I've got to agree with you on that Snausages... this thread was doomed from the start. To try and compare these two artists is of disservice to them both. I was simply trying to sew the threads together in a cohesive enough way to derive some kind of logical point from the whole thing.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by wiz on Mar 19, 2009 10:20:33 GMT 1, i always thought this was Jimi hendrix
Shamone to that, even i knew it was Jackko!.
i always thought this was Jimi hendrix Shamone to that, even i knew it was Jackko!.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by Michael Jacob on Mar 19, 2009 14:02:14 GMT 1, Good thread. While Banksy is the one who moved me to start doing art again, Basquiat is off the chart. I grew up thinking Warhol was incredible. Im sure part of it stems from the fact Im in advertising, and liked how he merged icons, products and other stuff with art. Banksy took Warhols style and merged it with graffiti and political/media topics. When I first saw "Napalm" I about shit myself. It was warholesque, but slapped you in the face. I loved it! It got me back into doing art. A forum member (and I forget who) made a comment on judging artists being revolutionary versus evolutionary. It was a great comment, and one that should be applied when looking at artists works. I think this comment was posted on a Parla thread. Parlas work is incredible, but its more of an evolution against stuff like Twombly. Banksy is an evolution of Warhol. Basquiat is like... well... no one else.
Good thread. While Banksy is the one who moved me to start doing art again, Basquiat is off the chart. I grew up thinking Warhol was incredible. Im sure part of it stems from the fact Im in advertising, and liked how he merged icons, products and other stuff with art. Banksy took Warhols style and merged it with graffiti and political/media topics. When I first saw "Napalm" I about shit myself. It was warholesque, but slapped you in the face. I loved it! It got me back into doing art. A forum member (and I forget who) made a comment on judging artists being revolutionary versus evolutionary. It was a great comment, and one that should be applied when looking at artists works. I think this comment was posted on a Parla thread. Parlas work is incredible, but its more of an evolution against stuff like Twombly. Banksy is an evolution of Warhol. Basquiat is like... well... no one else.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by thegreatarchitect on Mar 19, 2009 14:21:20 GMT 1, A compassion between Basquait and Banksy is a pointless one theres no simulation between the two. Basquait being a completely underrated artist. He pioneered a street art in the 80s that dealt with a introspective vision of his relationship with the colonial legacy which he conjured up in a rich fragmented tapestry of neurotic form and colour. Greatly under estimated.
A compassion between Basquait and Banksy is a pointless one theres no simulation between the two. Basquait being a completely underrated artist. He pioneered a street art in the 80s that dealt with a introspective vision of his relationship with the colonial legacy which he conjured up in a rich fragmented tapestry of neurotic form and colour. Greatly under estimated.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by wiz on Mar 19, 2009 16:45:02 GMT 1, Very nice, cant say my favourite piece as there are probably too many.
Very nice, cant say my favourite piece as there are probably too many.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by slowmo on Mar 19, 2009 19:17:59 GMT 1, I cant see what those images do to dispel the point lee. Warhol was not a great artist at individual pieces, I agree that the strength lies in the body of work, replaying and remixing common images which individually would do nothing. I would say that Richard Hamilton, a contemporary, was far better at striking individual pieces, so respectfully agree with James about not being struck by an individual Warhol piece
MODIFY - to shoot myself in the foot this warhol image stopped me dead and blows my argument away, completely forgot about it
I cant see what those images do to dispel the point lee. Warhol was not a great artist at individual pieces, I agree that the strength lies in the body of work, replaying and remixing common images which individually would do nothing. I would say that Richard Hamilton, a contemporary, was far better at striking individual pieces, so respectfully agree with James about not being struck by an individual Warhol piece MODIFY - to shoot myself in the foot this warhol image stopped me dead and blows my argument away, completely forgot about it
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