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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 18:36:11 GMT 1, I think if Basquiat were to create a couple of iconic images within the next few years, you can compare him to Banksy
If Basquiat were to create a couple of iconic images within the next few years,i would compare him to Jesus ;D
I think if Basquiat were to create a couple of iconic images within the next few years, you can compare him to Banksy If Basquiat were to create a couple of iconic images within the next few years,i would compare him to Jesus ;D
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by doyle on Mar 20, 2009 19:00:08 GMT 1, If Basquiat were to create a couple of iconic images within the next few years,i would can compare him to Jesus
;D ;D lol
and a very interesting thread too
If Basquiat were to create a couple of iconic images within the next few years,i would can compare him to Jesus
;D ;D lol
and a very interesting thread too
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by wiz on Mar 20, 2009 19:37:45 GMT 1, Excellent Francis! v good dry sense of humour you have!.
Excellent Francis! v good dry sense of humour you have!.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by thegreatarchitect on Mar 21, 2009 12:35:49 GMT 1, hey great architect, i'd never heard about pollack learning that method through max ernst, was that by them meeting through peggy g or max ernst's interest in native American art?
No sputnikeye,The American expressionist movement would never have happened if it wasn't for many of the great European artists flocking their after WWII. America was regarded as a backward nation when it came to art at the time Pollock struggling with his Native American paintings meets Ernst at the UNI you introduces him to the drip technique and Bingo.
hey great architect, i'd never heard about pollack learning that method through max ernst, was that by them meeting through peggy g or max ernst's interest in native American art? No sputnikeye,The American expressionist movement would never have happened if it wasn't for many of the great European artists flocking their after WWII. America was regarded as a backward nation when it came to art at the time Pollock struggling with his Native American paintings meets Ernst at the UNI you introduces him to the drip technique and Bingo.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by jamesreeve5 on Mar 22, 2009 3:49:24 GMT 1, hey great architect, i'd never heard about pollack learning that method through max ernst, was that by them meeting through peggy g or max ernst's interest in native American art? No sputnikeye,The American expressionist movement would never have happened if it wasn't for many of the great European artists flocking their after WWII. America was regarded as a backward nation when it came to art at the time Pollock struggling with his Native American paintings meets Ernst at the UNI you introduces him to the drip technique and Bingo.
While I agree that the Ab-Ex movement owes much of its creation to the European artists who fled to America around the WWII era, I think your art history lesson is a bit reductionist here. He might have met Ernst, but it wasn't like "Hey Jackie paint with drips like this" and Bam! instant success. If you look at Pollock's entire oeuvre you'll see that he slowly moved from a semi-figurative style into a completely abstract style over the course of years. His drip paintings lend themselves to his love for american jazz, or his Freudian/Jungian psycho-therapy sessions, or his wife Lee Krasner as much as they lend themselves to surrealist dream theory.
hey great architect, i'd never heard about pollack learning that method through max ernst, was that by them meeting through peggy g or max ernst's interest in native American art? No sputnikeye,The American expressionist movement would never have happened if it wasn't for many of the great European artists flocking their after WWII. America was regarded as a backward nation when it came to art at the time Pollock struggling with his Native American paintings meets Ernst at the UNI you introduces him to the drip technique and Bingo. While I agree that the Ab-Ex movement owes much of its creation to the European artists who fled to America around the WWII era, I think your art history lesson is a bit reductionist here. He might have met Ernst, but it wasn't like "Hey Jackie paint with drips like this" and Bam! instant success. If you look at Pollock's entire oeuvre you'll see that he slowly moved from a semi-figurative style into a completely abstract style over the course of years. His drip paintings lend themselves to his love for american jazz, or his Freudian/Jungian psycho-therapy sessions, or his wife Lee Krasner as much as they lend themselves to surrealist dream theory.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by wiz on Mar 22, 2009 10:19:54 GMT 1, No sputnikeye,The American expressionist movement would never have happened if it wasn't for many of the great European artists flocking their after WWII. America was regarded as a backward nation when it came to art at the time Pollock struggling with his Native American paintings meets Ernst at the UNI you introduces him to the drip technique and Bingo. While I agree that the Ab-Ex movement owes much of its creation to the European artists who fled to America around the WWII era, I think your art history lesson is a bit reductionist here. He might have met Ernst, but it wasn't like "Hey Jackie paint with drips like this" and Bam! instant success. If you look at Pollock's entire oeuvre you'll see that he slowly moved from a semi-figurative style into a completely abstract style over the course of years. His drip paintings lend themselves to his love for american jazz, or his Freudian/Jungian psycho-therapy sessions, or his wife Lee Krasner as much as they lend themselves to surrealist dream theory.
Or maybe he just thought the drips looked good.
No sputnikeye,The American expressionist movement would never have happened if it wasn't for many of the great European artists flocking their after WWII. America was regarded as a backward nation when it came to art at the time Pollock struggling with his Native American paintings meets Ernst at the UNI you introduces him to the drip technique and Bingo. While I agree that the Ab-Ex movement owes much of its creation to the European artists who fled to America around the WWII era, I think your art history lesson is a bit reductionist here. He might have met Ernst, but it wasn't like "Hey Jackie paint with drips like this" and Bam! instant success. If you look at Pollock's entire oeuvre you'll see that he slowly moved from a semi-figurative style into a completely abstract style over the course of years. His drip paintings lend themselves to his love for american jazz, or his Freudian/Jungian psycho-therapy sessions, or his wife Lee Krasner as much as they lend themselves to surrealist dream theory. Or maybe he just thought the drips looked good.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by thegreatarchitect on Mar 22, 2009 13:56:22 GMT 1, No sputnikeye,The American expressionist movement would never have happened if it wasn't for many of the great European artists flocking their after WWII. America was regarded as a backward nation when it came to art at the time Pollock struggling with his Native American paintings meets Ernst at the UNI you introduces him to the drip technique and Bingo. While I agree that the Ab-Ex movement owes much of its creation to the European artists who fled to America around the WWII era, I think your art history lesson is a bit reductionist here. He might have met Ernst, but it wasn't like "Hey Jackie paint with drips like this" and Bam! instant success. If you look at Pollock's entire oeuvre you'll see that he slowly moved from a semi-figurative style into a completely abstract style over the course of years. His drip paintings lend themselves to his love for american jazz, or his Freudian/Jungian psycho-therapy sessions, or his wife Lee Krasner as much as they lend themselves to surrealist dream theory.
James I think you will find I am absolutely correct in the knowledge that Ernst introduced Jack the dripper to the drip painting as i have seen the Ernst drip paintings myself and they pre date the work of Pollock. Ernst was one of the great experimenters during the Dada and surrealist periods and the drip paintings were part of a series of experimental work Ernst engaged in toward the latter part of his life. The work having no association with surrealist dream theory. Some of these experimental pieces were offered up at lectures of which Pollock would attend. but if you would really like to know who first played about with the drip and splash technique it was Titian 1550s
No sputnikeye,The American expressionist movement would never have happened if it wasn't for many of the great European artists flocking their after WWII. America was regarded as a backward nation when it came to art at the time Pollock struggling with his Native American paintings meets Ernst at the UNI you introduces him to the drip technique and Bingo. While I agree that the Ab-Ex movement owes much of its creation to the European artists who fled to America around the WWII era, I think your art history lesson is a bit reductionist here. He might have met Ernst, but it wasn't like "Hey Jackie paint with drips like this" and Bam! instant success. If you look at Pollock's entire oeuvre you'll see that he slowly moved from a semi-figurative style into a completely abstract style over the course of years. His drip paintings lend themselves to his love for american jazz, or his Freudian/Jungian psycho-therapy sessions, or his wife Lee Krasner as much as they lend themselves to surrealist dream theory. James I think you will find I am absolutely correct in the knowledge that Ernst introduced Jack the dripper to the drip painting as i have seen the Ernst drip paintings myself and they pre date the work of Pollock. Ernst was one of the great experimenters during the Dada and surrealist periods and the drip paintings were part of a series of experimental work Ernst engaged in toward the latter part of his life. The work having no association with surrealist dream theory. Some of these experimental pieces were offered up at lectures of which Pollock would attend. but if you would really like to know who first played about with the drip and splash technique it was Titian 1550s
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by thegreatarchitect on Mar 22, 2009 14:01:47 GMT 1, While I agree that the Ab-Ex movement owes much of its creation to the European artists who fled to America around the WWII era, I think your art history lesson is a bit reductionist here. He might have met Ernst, but it wasn't like "Hey Jackie paint with drips like this" and Bam! instant success. If you look at Pollock's entire oeuvre you'll see that he slowly moved from a semi-figurative style into a completely abstract style over the course of years. His drip paintings lend themselves to his love for american jazz, or his Freudian/Jungian psycho-therapy sessions, or his wife Lee Krasner as much as they lend themselves to surrealist dream theory. James I think you will find I am absolutely correct in the knowledge that Ernst introduced Jack the dripper to the drip painting as i have seen the Ernst drip paintings myself and they pre date the work of Pollock. Ernst was one of the great experimenters during the Dada and surrealist periods and the drip paintings where part of a series of experimental work Ernst engaged in toward the latter part of his life. The work having no association with surrealist dream theory. Some of these experimental pieces were offered up at lectures of which Pollock would attend. but if you would really like to know who first played about with the drip and splash technique it was Titian 1550s Or maybe he thought the drips just looked good
While I agree that the Ab-Ex movement owes much of its creation to the European artists who fled to America around the WWII era, I think your art history lesson is a bit reductionist here. He might have met Ernst, but it wasn't like "Hey Jackie paint with drips like this" and Bam! instant success. If you look at Pollock's entire oeuvre you'll see that he slowly moved from a semi-figurative style into a completely abstract style over the course of years. His drip paintings lend themselves to his love for american jazz, or his Freudian/Jungian psycho-therapy sessions, or his wife Lee Krasner as much as they lend themselves to surrealist dream theory. James I think you will find I am absolutely correct in the knowledge that Ernst introduced Jack the dripper to the drip painting as i have seen the Ernst drip paintings myself and they pre date the work of Pollock. Ernst was one of the great experimenters during the Dada and surrealist periods and the drip paintings where part of a series of experimental work Ernst engaged in toward the latter part of his life. The work having no association with surrealist dream theory. Some of these experimental pieces were offered up at lectures of which Pollock would attend. but if you would really like to know who first played about with the drip and splash technique it was Titian 1550s Or maybe he thought the drips just looked good
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by jamesreeve5 on Mar 23, 2009 3:25:26 GMT 1, James I think you will find I am absolutely correct in the knowledge that Ernst introduced Jack the dripper to the drip painting as i have seen the Ernst drip paintings myself and they pre date the work of Pollock. Ernst was one of the great experimenters during the Dada and surrealist periods and the drip paintings where part of a series of experimental work Ernst engaged in toward the latter part of his life. The work having no association with surrealist dream theory. Some of these experimental pieces were offered up at lectures of which Pollock would attend. but if you would really like to know who first played about with the drip and splash technique it was Titian 1550s Or maybe he thought the drips just looked good
that doesn't mean Pollock ripped off the style... I've seen some of the same Ernst paintings you are talking about, and they are different in scope, technique, and intent.
James I think you will find I am absolutely correct in the knowledge that Ernst introduced Jack the dripper to the drip painting as i have seen the Ernst drip paintings myself and they pre date the work of Pollock. Ernst was one of the great experimenters during the Dada and surrealist periods and the drip paintings where part of a series of experimental work Ernst engaged in toward the latter part of his life. The work having no association with surrealist dream theory. Some of these experimental pieces were offered up at lectures of which Pollock would attend. but if you would really like to know who first played about with the drip and splash technique it was Titian 1550s Or maybe he thought the drips just looked good that doesn't mean Pollock ripped off the style... I've seen some of the same Ernst paintings you are talking about, and they are different in scope, technique, and intent.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by thegreatarchitect on Mar 23, 2009 12:16:52 GMT 1, Your absolutely correct James The works are different, but it still reminds me of the joke about the Hamburger - Beef's doing all the work and Ham's getting all the credit (Harry Hill)
Your absolutely correct James The works are different, but it still reminds me of the joke about the Hamburger - Beef's doing all the work and Ham's getting all the credit (Harry Hill)
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by daveart on Mar 24, 2009 16:40:46 GMT 1, I am going to take this in a different direction. talent and such aside. can an anonymous person ever reach lasting international fame? You can see vidoeos of the other modern artists creating, representing, explaining, etc their work. sure part of Banksy's fame came from the mystery but at some point that has to turn against him. i am personally amazed people will spend such vast sums of money on banksy's work when you really have no idea about the creator. i love banksy's work .. dont get me wrong but i dont know if it has the lasting power and value of other artists that have organized their work differently.
going to fly way out on a limb with this one.. but not sure how many milli vanilli fans there were at one point.. i know there were a LOT fewer when the truth came out. what if half of these banksy's were created by different people? what if there isnt an individual 'banksy' pumping out ideas but there are many collaborators. it doesnt mean the work isnt really cool.. but certainly impacts the lasting power and value in my mind. i would sure want to know those answers before dropping 50k on an original banksy. in other words - people on here want air tight provenance from the printer.. but you dont have the slightest clue of the provenance of the creator. This has to impact things over time.
I am going to take this in a different direction. talent and such aside. can an anonymous person ever reach lasting international fame? You can see vidoeos of the other modern artists creating, representing, explaining, etc their work. sure part of Banksy's fame came from the mystery but at some point that has to turn against him. i am personally amazed people will spend such vast sums of money on banksy's work when you really have no idea about the creator. i love banksy's work .. dont get me wrong but i dont know if it has the lasting power and value of other artists that have organized their work differently.
going to fly way out on a limb with this one.. but not sure how many milli vanilli fans there were at one point.. i know there were a LOT fewer when the truth came out. what if half of these banksy's were created by different people? what if there isnt an individual 'banksy' pumping out ideas but there are many collaborators. it doesnt mean the work isnt really cool.. but certainly impacts the lasting power and value in my mind. i would sure want to know those answers before dropping 50k on an original banksy. in other words - people on here want air tight provenance from the printer.. but you dont have the slightest clue of the provenance of the creator. This has to impact things over time.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by mike hunt on Mar 25, 2009 0:51:18 GMT 1, I've had 3 Basquiat prints and 4 Bansky prints. IMO there's no comparison - despite the difference in style, Basquiat wins hands down. Its early doors with Banksy, but a more suitable comparison would be with Warhol, who in the context of the time is absolute genius and turned everything on its head while reflecting the way things were headed. Warhol could do more soulful stuff, but the point was that his fine art had a mass consumption theme (his design was more what people think of as fine art).
Warhol vs banksy = warhol wins IMO, plus he's at a major disadvantage because he's dead!
I've had 3 Basquiat prints and 4 Bansky prints. IMO there's no comparison - despite the difference in style, Basquiat wins hands down. Its early doors with Banksy, but a more suitable comparison would be with Warhol, who in the context of the time is absolute genius and turned everything on its head while reflecting the way things were headed. Warhol could do more soulful stuff, but the point was that his fine art had a mass consumption theme (his design was more what people think of as fine art).
Warhol vs banksy = warhol wins IMO, plus he's at a major disadvantage because he's dead!
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by wiz on Mar 25, 2009 1:02:53 GMT 1, Notice seller is also selling an early Picasso.
Notice seller is also selling an early Picasso.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by They call me Stephen on Mar 25, 2009 1:05:29 GMT 1, Notice seller is also selling an early Picasso.
pesky flippers...they're onto everything
Notice seller is also selling an early Picasso. pesky flippers...they're onto everything
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by wiz on Mar 25, 2009 1:08:18 GMT 1, I do quite like it though esp. in its bespoke frame!, fetched a bit too!.
I do quite like it though esp. in its bespoke frame!, fetched a bit too!.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by mose on Mar 25, 2009 1:11:46 GMT 1,
not real, no bargain, lots of 'weird' bidding....
not real, no bargain, lots of 'weird' bidding....
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by They call me Stephen on Mar 25, 2009 1:17:47 GMT 1, I thought it was too good to be true and looking at the sellers other items clears up any suspicions, he sure does seem to get his hands on a lot of originals passed onto family member without provenance!
Really like this thread, itโs been great rediscovering Basquiat's work
I thought it was too good to be true and looking at the sellers other items clears up any suspicions, he sure does seem to get his hands on a lot of originals passed onto family member without provenance!
Really like this thread, itโs been great rediscovering Basquiat's work
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by wiz on Mar 25, 2009 1:19:24 GMT 1, I wonder if the seller has any early Pollocks? or even a late one?..
I wonder if the seller has any early Pollocks? or even a late one?..
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by They call me Stephen on Mar 25, 2009 1:21:59 GMT 1, You should ask him Wiz...would you ask him if he can get me any early Blake or Barbara Kruger, i'm sure he knows someone who knows someone who knows a family member
You should ask him Wiz...would you ask him if he can get me any early Blake or Barbara Kruger, i'm sure he knows someone who knows someone who knows a family member
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by wiz on Mar 25, 2009 1:26:38 GMT 1, Will do will do!, dont get your hopes up though.
Will do will do!, dont get your hopes up though.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by dynamixx on Mar 25, 2009 1:48:30 GMT 1, No sputnikeye,The American expressionist movement would never have happened if it wasn't for many of the great European artists flocking their after WWII. America was regarded as a backward nation when it came to art at the time
I'm afraid you're very wrong.
No sputnikeye,The American expressionist movement would never have happened if it wasn't for many of the great European artists flocking their after WWII. America was regarded as a backward nation when it came to art at the time I'm afraid you're very wrong.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by Deleted on Mar 25, 2009 1:52:53 GMT 1, No sputnikeye,The American expressionist movement would never have happened if it wasn't for many of the great European artists flocking their after WWII. America was regarded as a backward nation when it came to art at the time I'm afraid you're very wrong.
lol ;D
No sputnikeye,The American expressionist movement would never have happened if it wasn't for many of the great European artists flocking their after WWII. America was regarded as a backward nation when it came to art at the time I'm afraid you're very wrong. lol ;D
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by mose on Mar 25, 2009 2:25:39 GMT 1, No sputnikeye,The American expressionist movement would never have happened if it wasn't for many of the great European artists flocking their after WWII. America was regarded as a backward nation when it came to art at the time I'm afraid you're very wrong.
before the Abstract Expressionists hit their strides, the US was considered backward when compared to the European artistic centers, especially Paris. I don't understand why you've said he is very wrong.
No sputnikeye,The American expressionist movement would never have happened if it wasn't for many of the great European artists flocking their after WWII. America was regarded as a backward nation when it came to art at the time I'm afraid you're very wrong. before the Abstract Expressionists hit their strides, the US was considered backward when compared to the European artistic centers, especially Paris. I don't understand why you've said he is very wrong.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by dynamixx on Mar 25, 2009 3:25:12 GMT 1, I'm afraid you're very wrong. before the Abstract Expressionists hit their strides, the US was considered backward when compared to the European artistic centers, especially Paris. I don't understand why you've said he is very wrong.
US art didn't start to get good from Pollock onwards, dig a little deeper. American Modernism flourished in the first few decades of the 20th C, New York was home to a whole host of pioneering artists and painters, virtually on a par with Europe.
American modern art found its feet decades before Abstract Expressionism. Before that, some truly pioneering art came out of the US. Georgia O'Keeffe, Charles Sheeler, Charles Demuth, the Stieglitz circle in general, I could go on, so I will. The Harlem Renaissance and Aaron Douglas, who gave us some truly breathtaking and groundbreaking images before AE. It's not just me who rates the significant place in art history of each of these artists.
Even if the conventional narrative says France was the epicentre of modern art in the early 20th century, to hear the American side of things referred to as backwards is ridiculous. In fact I'd be interested if you could point me towards who exactly is considering it such?
I'm afraid you're very wrong. before the Abstract Expressionists hit their strides, the US was considered backward when compared to the European artistic centers, especially Paris. I don't understand why you've said he is very wrong. US art didn't start to get good from Pollock onwards, dig a little deeper. American Modernism flourished in the first few decades of the 20th C, New York was home to a whole host of pioneering artists and painters, virtually on a par with Europe. American modern art found its feet decades before Abstract Expressionism. Before that, some truly pioneering art came out of the US. Georgia O'Keeffe, Charles Sheeler, Charles Demuth, the Stieglitz circle in general, I could go on, so I will. The Harlem Renaissance and Aaron Douglas, who gave us some truly breathtaking and groundbreaking images before AE. It's not just me who rates the significant place in art history of each of these artists. Even if the conventional narrative says France was the epicentre of modern art in the early 20th century, to hear the American side of things referred to as backwards is ridiculous. In fact I'd be interested if you could point me towards who exactly is considering it such?
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by lee3 on Mar 25, 2009 3:40:34 GMT 1, >>>I wonder if the seller has any early Pollocks?<<<<
These are more affordable than one might believe. Early in Pollock's career as I'm sure many here are aware he was heavily consumed and overcome by Picasso. His early stuff (late 30s and early 40s) is just dominated with Picasso influences and like an idiot I stand by and watch these pieces come and go at auction. These works on paper come up at auction once a year or so and are very detailed and intricate works in magnificent condition measuring roughly 8x10 inches will run $25-50k. They are certainly atypical as they have nothing to do with the drip paintings yet they are still mesmerizing (at least to me). There were a pair of these offered last September at what I believed were teaser rates (as similar compositions had sold in that range 3 or 4 years prior) and yet they happened to sell at the low end of the estimate range and there i was kicking myself for having not submitted an absentee bid. Given the weakness of the art market since then, it's not out of the imagination to believe you could get a nice work on paper for $20k and while that is outrageous to most people, it is affordable by his standards. Unlike most atypical work for A list artists, I find these quite compelling.
>>>I wonder if the seller has any early Pollocks?<<<<
These are more affordable than one might believe. Early in Pollock's career as I'm sure many here are aware he was heavily consumed and overcome by Picasso. His early stuff (late 30s and early 40s) is just dominated with Picasso influences and like an idiot I stand by and watch these pieces come and go at auction. These works on paper come up at auction once a year or so and are very detailed and intricate works in magnificent condition measuring roughly 8x10 inches will run $25-50k. They are certainly atypical as they have nothing to do with the drip paintings yet they are still mesmerizing (at least to me). There were a pair of these offered last September at what I believed were teaser rates (as similar compositions had sold in that range 3 or 4 years prior) and yet they happened to sell at the low end of the estimate range and there i was kicking myself for having not submitted an absentee bid. Given the weakness of the art market since then, it's not out of the imagination to believe you could get a nice work on paper for $20k and while that is outrageous to most people, it is affordable by his standards. Unlike most atypical work for A list artists, I find these quite compelling.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by Gentle Mental on Mar 25, 2009 3:56:08 GMT 1, Time will give us better perspective. We're all in the moment, and we can only judge without the benefit of hindsight.
Factor in the world we're living in, and the grounds that have been broken - i have a sinking suspicion that Banksy is already bigger artist than Basquiat.
He's just not as important. Yet.
Time will give us better perspective. We're all in the moment, and we can only judge without the benefit of hindsight.
Factor in the world we're living in, and the grounds that have been broken - i have a sinking suspicion that Banksy is already bigger artist than Basquiat.
He's just not as important. Yet.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by mose on Mar 25, 2009 5:29:04 GMT 1, Even if the conventional narrative says France was the epicentre of modern art in the early 20th century, to hear the American side of things referred to as backwards is ridiculous. In fact I'd be interested if you could point me towards who exactly is considering it such?
sure. read any textbook on Pollock, any textbook on Abstract Expressionism as a movement, watch any documentary on Pollock and the New York establishment, etc., etc.
Two quick quotes, via "Abstract Expressionism" by Joan M. Marter:
"Abstract Expressionism has traditionally been seen as America's first art of international significance."
"According to virtually every history of these artists(the abstract expressionists), American artistic culture was mostly in a backward state at that time."
now, it must be noted she goes on to argue the opposite.
Given 15 minutes, I could probably fill the post with 100's of similar quotes from a variety of art texts, all pointing to the backward state of American art prior to the Abstract Expressionists, how they moved the cultural epicenter from Paris to New York, how 1930's America was an artistic wasteland, how provincial American art had been prior to the New York crew, etc. etc.
It is not ridiculous, it is the generally accepted narrative.
Even if the conventional narrative says France was the epicentre of modern art in the early 20th century, to hear the American side of things referred to as backwards is ridiculous. In fact I'd be interested if you could point me towards who exactly is considering it such? sure. read any textbook on Pollock, any textbook on Abstract Expressionism as a movement, watch any documentary on Pollock and the New York establishment, etc., etc. Two quick quotes, via "Abstract Expressionism" by Joan M. Marter: "Abstract Expressionism has traditionally been seen as America's first art of international significance." "According to virtually every history of these artists(the abstract expressionists), American artistic culture was mostly in a backward state at that time." now, it must be noted she goes on to argue the opposite. Given 15 minutes, I could probably fill the post with 100's of similar quotes from a variety of art texts, all pointing to the backward state of American art prior to the Abstract Expressionists, how they moved the cultural epicenter from Paris to New York, how 1930's America was an artistic wasteland, how provincial American art had been prior to the New York crew, etc. etc. It is not ridiculous, it is the generally accepted narrative.
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by wiz on Mar 25, 2009 9:45:34 GMT 1, Cheers Lee .
Cheers Lee .
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Jean-Michel Basquiat ๐บ๐ธ Brooklyn, New York โข Graffiti Art , by thegreatarchitect on Mar 25, 2009 14:34:05 GMT 1, I am going to take this in a different direction. talent and such aside. can an anonymous person ever reach lasting international fame? You can see vidoeos of the other modern artists creating, representing, explaining, etc their work. sure part of Banksy's fame came from the mystery but at some point that has to turn against him. i am personally amazed people will spend such vast sums of money on banksy's work when you really have no idea about the creator. i love banksy's work .. dont get me wrong but i dont know if it has the lasting power and value of other artists that have organized their work differently. going to fly way out on a limb with this one.. but not sure how many milli vanilli fans there were at one point.. i know there were a LOT fewer when the truth came out. what if half of these banksy's were created by different people? what if there isnt an individual 'banksy' pumping out ideas but there are many collaborators. it doesnt mean the work isnt really cool.. but certainly impacts the lasting power and value in my mind. i would sure want to know those answers before dropping 50k on an original banksy. in other words - people on here want air tight provenance from the printer.. but you dont have the slightest clue of the provenance of the creator. This has to impact things over time.
You make a valid point The enigma the surrounds Banksy could hide somewhere in there more than one person. I've often thought that without a face it could later effect the value and merit of the work.
I am going to take this in a different direction. talent and such aside. can an anonymous person ever reach lasting international fame? You can see vidoeos of the other modern artists creating, representing, explaining, etc their work. sure part of Banksy's fame came from the mystery but at some point that has to turn against him. i am personally amazed people will spend such vast sums of money on banksy's work when you really have no idea about the creator. i love banksy's work .. dont get me wrong but i dont know if it has the lasting power and value of other artists that have organized their work differently. going to fly way out on a limb with this one.. but not sure how many milli vanilli fans there were at one point.. i know there were a LOT fewer when the truth came out. what if half of these banksy's were created by different people? what if there isnt an individual 'banksy' pumping out ideas but there are many collaborators. it doesnt mean the work isnt really cool.. but certainly impacts the lasting power and value in my mind. i would sure want to know those answers before dropping 50k on an original banksy. in other words - people on here want air tight provenance from the printer.. but you dont have the slightest clue of the provenance of the creator. This has to impact things over time. You make a valid point The enigma the surrounds Banksy could hide somewhere in there more than one person. I've often thought that without a face it could later effect the value and merit of the work.
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