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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by mla on Nov 7, 2015 22:51:17 GMT 1, Really? We're going to promote this?
Really? We're going to promote this?
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 23:02:13 GMT 1, Please remove any promotion for this. Shame on Stolen Space.
Please remove any promotion for this. Shame on Stolen Space.
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by Coach on Nov 7, 2015 23:04:21 GMT 1, Really? We're going to promote this?
I've obviously committed a faux pas. I honestly do not know why. Perhaps let me know, so that I can delete my post, if Krafft is an artist that shouldn't be mentioned here.
Really? We're going to promote this? I've obviously committed a faux pas. I honestly do not know why. Perhaps let me know, so that I can delete my post, if Krafft is an artist that shouldn't be mentioned here.
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 23:10:24 GMT 1, Really? We're going to promote this? I've obviously committed a faux pas. I honestly do not know why. Perhaps let me know, so that I can delete my post, if Krafft is an artist that shouldn't be mentioned here.
www.vice.com/en_uk/read/interview-with-charles-krafft
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by Coach on Nov 7, 2015 23:11:18 GMT 1, Ok, googled and get it. My apologies. I saw his work years ago and liked the juxtaposition between the guns and the porcelain/flowers. Not seen anything by him for a long time. I am not promoting this.
Ok, googled and get it. My apologies. I saw his work years ago and liked the juxtaposition between the guns and the porcelain/flowers. Not seen anything by him for a long time. I am not promoting this.
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by Coach on Nov 7, 2015 23:12:41 GMT 1, Yes, thanks xxxxx and ekap. I had absolutely no idea. If I had, I hope you know me well enough to know that I would not have posted this. Sincere apologies.
Yes, thanks xxxxx and ekap. I had absolutely no idea. If I had, I hope you know me well enough to know that I would not have posted this. Sincere apologies.
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 23:31:18 GMT 1, Yes, thanks xxxxx and ekap. I had absolutely no idea. If I had, I hope you know me well enough to know that I would not have posted this. Sincere apologies. No worries. Saturday night on here is the graveyard shift, so no-one's around to read all this anyway.
Thank you for your honesty.
( And don't post any 'screwdriver' videos in the 'what you listening to' either )
Yes, thanks xxxxx and ekap. I had absolutely no idea. If I had, I hope you know me well enough to know that I would not have posted this. Sincere apologies. No worries. Saturday night on here is the graveyard shift, so no-one's around to read all this anyway. Thank you for your honesty. ( And don't post any 'screwdriver' videos in the 'what you listening to' either )
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by Coach on Nov 7, 2015 23:35:24 GMT 1, Yes, thanks xxxxx and ekap. I had absolutely no idea. If I had, I hope you know me well enough to know that I would not have posted this. Sincere apologies. No worries. Saturday night on here is the graveyard shift, so no-one's around to read all this anyway. Thank you for your honesty.ย
Cheers. I've now read the interview. Bloody hell! Certainly not the sort of man that I would want anything to do with. I've voted labour all my life. Hardly likely to share views like that!
Yes, thanks xxxxx and ekap. I had absolutely no idea. If I had, I hope you know me well enough to know that I would not have posted this. Sincere apologies. No worries. Saturday night on here is the graveyard shift, so no-one's around to read all this anyway. Thank you for your honesty.ย Cheers. I've now read the interview. Bloody hell! Certainly not the sort of man that I would want anything to do with. I've voted labour all my life. Hardly likely to share views like that!
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 23:44:51 GMT 1, No worries. Saturday night on here is the graveyard shift, so no-one's around to read all this anyway. Thank you for your honesty. Cheers. I've now read the interview. Bloody hell! Certainly not the sort of man that I would want anything to do with. I've voted labour all my life. Hardly likely to share views like that! Had the 'pleasure' ( if that's the right word ) to listen to Steven Frank ( Ann Frank's cousin ) talk about his experiences in the camps. Unbelievably heart breaking. Sadly there will always be people like Krafft, but they need to challenged at every opportunity.
No worries. Saturday night on here is the graveyard shift, so no-one's around to read all this anyway. Thank you for your honesty. Cheers. I've now read the interview. Bloody hell! Certainly not the sort of man that I would want anything to do with. I've voted labour all my life. Hardly likely to share views like that! Had the 'pleasure' ( if that's the right word ) to listen to Steven Frank ( Ann Frank's cousin ) talk about his experiences in the camps. Unbelievably heart breaking. Sadly there will always be people like Krafft, but they need to challenged at every opportunity.
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by Coach on Nov 8, 2015 0:02:44 GMT 1, I think perhaps Stolenspace should have Googled Krafft and read a few interviews and articles. For me, I can't separate an artist's work from their personal beliefs. It taints the work and I want would not want a single penny or ounce of support to go someone whose beliefs are such polar opposites to mine, no matter what the work is like.
Couldn't agree more.
I think perhaps Stolenspace should have Googled Krafft and read a few interviews and articles. For me, I can't separate an artist's work from their personal beliefs. It taints the work and I want would not want a single penny or ounce of support to go someone whose beliefs are such polar opposites to mine, no matter what the work is like. Couldn't agree more.
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by treweman on Nov 8, 2015 0:30:09 GMT 1, Sadly there will always be people like Krafft, but they need to challenged at every opportunity. I couldn't agree more. But in truth, the sentiments expressed in this thread should be directed at StolenSpace Gallery.
Sadly there will always be people like Krafft, but they need to challenged at every opportunity. I couldn't agree more. But in truth, the sentiments expressed in this thread should be directed at StolenSpace Gallery.
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by mutatis on Nov 8, 2015 1:55:30 GMT 1, I think perhaps Stolenspace should have Googled Krafft and read a few interviews and articles. For me, I can't separate an artist's work from their personal beliefs. It taints the work and I want would not want a single penny or ounce of support to go someone whose beliefs are such polar opposites to mine, no matter what the work is like. Couldn't agree more. Dr Plip (emphasis added). I don't see why StolenSpace would do that. I just abbreviated the name which gives rise to an unfortunate coincidence... surely not? Anyway, Krafft is part of their stable of artists and they've shown and sold his work for years. The article posted by @xxxxx posits the pertinent question how is Krafft's art to be reassessed in light of what people know now. If his views were known by members on here presumably dating from the time of the article and other similar articles around the same time, one could safely assume that StolenSpace would be aware of them too. The continued support of Krafft by Stolen Space and the sale of his work on their website including the perfume bottles "Forgiveness" arguably indicate their thought or lack of it. I for one, intend to find out directly.
I think perhaps Stolenspace should have Googled Krafft and read a few interviews and articles. For me, I can't separate an artist's work from their personal beliefs. It taints the work and I want would not want a single penny or ounce of support to go someone whose beliefs are such polar opposites to mine, no matter what the work is like. Couldn't agree more. Dr Plip (emphasis added). I don't see why StolenSpace would do that. I just abbreviated the name which gives rise to an unfortunate coincidence... surely not? Anyway, Krafft is part of their stable of artists and they've shown and sold his work for years. The article posted by @xxxxx posits the pertinent question how is Krafft's art to be reassessed in light of what people know now. If his views were known by members on here presumably dating from the time of the article and other similar articles around the same time, one could safely assume that StolenSpace would be aware of them too. The continued support of Krafft by Stolen Space and the sale of his work on their website including the perfume bottles "Forgiveness" arguably indicate their thought or lack of it. I for one, intend to find out directly.
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by Briggs 74 on Nov 9, 2015 12:49:28 GMT 1, i almost bought a porcelain grenade from stolenspace many many years ago. kind of glad i didn't now... it's a bit worrying to think that he was fooling everyone with his adverse irony....
i almost bought a porcelain grenade from stolenspace many many years ago. kind of glad i didn't now... it's a bit worrying to think that he was fooling everyone with his adverse irony....
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by met on Nov 9, 2015 20:53:25 GMT 1, No worries. Saturday night on here is the graveyard shift, so no-one's around to read all this anyway. Thank you for your honesty. Cheers. I've now read the interview. Bloody hell! Certainly not the sort of man that I would want anything to do with. I've voted labour all my life. Hardly likely to share views like that! Are the opinions held by a person more objectionable than their behaviour or actions?
Is the passage of time, or exceptional talent, sufficient to forgive?
I ask merely for the sake of debate, because an artist you've previously mentioned in favourable terms โ Caravaggio โ was a murderer (or at least a manslaughterer), brawler, pederast and whoremonger, braggart and prima donna.
Leaving aside his painterly skills, he could be described as a right prat, even by the standards of his time.
No worries. Saturday night on here is the graveyard shift, so no-one's around to read all this anyway. Thank you for your honesty. Cheers. I've now read the interview. Bloody hell! Certainly not the sort of man that I would want anything to do with. I've voted labour all my life. Hardly likely to share views like that! Are the opinions held by a person more objectionable than their behaviour or actions? Is the passage of time, or exceptional talent, sufficient to forgive? I ask merely for the sake of debate, because an artist you've previously mentioned in favourable terms โ Caravaggio โ was a murderer (or at least a manslaughterer), brawler, pederast and whoremonger, braggart and prima donna. Leaving aside his painterly skills, he could be described as a right prat, even by the standards of his time.
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by Lroy on Nov 9, 2015 21:35:35 GMT 1, I think perhaps Stolenspace should have Googled Krafft and read a few interviews and articles. For me, I can't separate an artist's work from their personal beliefs. It taints the work and I want would not want a single penny or ounce of support to go someone whose beliefs are such polar opposites to mine, no matter what the work is like. Couldn't agree more. 3 days ago, We spoke about that " thing " ( no pity for nazis or revisionists - I no, I am friend with him on Facebook and. Don't care because this man is sick and in another world, nor ours, not mine , never mind ) , who plays, as nazis , with weird sensibility and a certain notion of art that does not exist apart in nostalgia of a destroyed and shameless empire, so greasy and rude, yes no esthetic creation no art in a nazi mind , only fake words and ignorance , because everything is surface and symbols. I don't know why I don't see the post of my dear Doctor Plip, anyway no importance, just I want to say that is revisionist or nazis " goodies " , even in porcelain art, have nothing to do in a gallery who promoted Stik and his anarchists. We can write on the Stolen ( art by nazis ) space social media to tell about our disagree.
I think perhaps Stolenspace should have Googled Krafft and read a few interviews and articles. For me, I can't separate an artist's work from their personal beliefs. It taints the work and I want would not want a single penny or ounce of support to go someone whose beliefs are such polar opposites to mine, no matter what the work is like. Couldn't agree more. 3 days ago, We spoke about that " thing " ( no pity for nazis or revisionists - I no, I am friend with him on Facebook and. Don't care because this man is sick and in another world, nor ours, not mine , never mind ) , who plays, as nazis , with weird sensibility and a certain notion of art that does not exist apart in nostalgia of a destroyed and shameless empire, so greasy and rude, yes no esthetic creation no art in a nazi mind , only fake words and ignorance , because everything is surface and symbols. I don't know why I don't see the post of my dear Doctor Plip, anyway no importance, just I want to say that is revisionist or nazis " goodies " , even in porcelain art, have nothing to do in a gallery who promoted Stik and his anarchists. We can write on the Stolen ( art by nazis ) space social media to tell about our disagree.
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by Coach on Nov 9, 2015 22:26:17 GMT 1, Cheers. I've now read the interview. Bloody hell! Certainly not the sort of man that I would want anything to do with. I've voted labour all my life. Hardly likely to share views like that! Are the opinions held by a person more objectionable than their behaviour or actions? Is the passage of time, or exceptional talent, sufficient to forgive? I ask merely for the sake of debate, because an artist you've previously mentioned in favourable terms โ Caravaggio โ was a murderer (or at least a manslaughterer), brawler, pederast and whoremonger, braggart and prima donna. Leaving aside his painterly skills, he could be described as a right prat, even by the standards of his time.
Caravaggio is a figure so far removed from us in history he is not really a person or a moral agent, merely a concept and style that ties together a collection of paintings. This clearly does not make any logical sense but beauty and artistic quality are emotive not logical.
Cheers. I've now read the interview. Bloody hell! Certainly not the sort of man that I would want anything to do with. I've voted labour all my life. Hardly likely to share views like that! Are the opinions held by a person more objectionable than their behaviour or actions? Is the passage of time, or exceptional talent, sufficient to forgive? I ask merely for the sake of debate, because an artist you've previously mentioned in favourable terms โ Caravaggio โ was a murderer (or at least a manslaughterer), brawler, pederast and whoremonger, braggart and prima donna. Leaving aside his painterly skills, he could be described as a right prat, even by the standards of his time. Caravaggio is a figure so far removed from us in history he is not really a person or a moral agent, merely a concept and style that ties together a collection of paintings. This clearly does not make any logical sense but beauty and artistic quality are emotive not logical.
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by met on Nov 10, 2015 20:24:08 GMT 1, Are the opinions held by a person more objectionable than their behaviour or actions? Is the passage of time, or exceptional talent, sufficient to forgive? I ask merely for the sake of debate, because an artist you've previously mentioned in favourable terms โ Caravaggio โ was a murderer (or at least a manslaughterer), brawler, pederast and whoremonger, braggart and prima donna. Leaving aside his painterly skills, he could be described as a right prat, even by the standards of his time. Caravaggio is a figure so far removed from us in history he is not really a person or a moral agent, merely a concept and style that ties together a collection of paintings. This clearly does not make any logical sense but beauty and artistic quality are emotive not logical. Beauty and artistic quality may be such that everything else arguably becomes insignificant, and can therefore be overlooked. In which case, we could be talking about the work of a contemporary figure, not necessarily a distant historical one.
This is probably one reason why people are commonly willing to offer the artists they love a free pass, excusing their poor behaviour. It isn't dissimilar to the way movie stars, pop stars or professional athletes will often be forgiven for things ordinary individuals could not get away with. Real talent or merely the aura of celebrity can have a hypnotic effect on the public.
I alluded to the phenomenon in relation to Mike Tyson here. He's a convicted rapist, he was an alleged wife-beater and spousal abuser, he was a thug in his Brooklyn youth who took part in armed robberies, muggings, etc. He was also an outstanding boxer and showman, utterly watchable. Objectively, I could be classed as a Tyson apologist, despite finding many of his flaws repugnant.
Are the opinions held by a person more objectionable than their behaviour or actions? Is the passage of time, or exceptional talent, sufficient to forgive? I ask merely for the sake of debate, because an artist you've previously mentioned in favourable terms โ Caravaggio โ was a murderer (or at least a manslaughterer), brawler, pederast and whoremonger, braggart and prima donna. Leaving aside his painterly skills, he could be described as a right prat, even by the standards of his time. Caravaggio is a figure so far removed from us in history he is not really a person or a moral agent, merely a concept and style that ties together a collection of paintings. This clearly does not make any logical sense but beauty and artistic quality are emotive not logical. Beauty and artistic quality may be such that everything else arguably becomes insignificant, and can therefore be overlooked. In which case, we could be talking about the work of a contemporary figure, not necessarily a distant historical one. This is probably one reason why people are commonly willing to offer the artists they love a free pass, excusing their poor behaviour. It isn't dissimilar to the way movie stars, pop stars or professional athletes will often be forgiven for things ordinary individuals could not get away with. Real talent or merely the aura of celebrity can have a hypnotic effect on the public. I alluded to the phenomenon in relation to Mike Tyson here. He's a convicted rapist, he was an alleged wife-beater and spousal abuser, he was a thug in his Brooklyn youth who took part in armed robberies, muggings, etc. He was also an outstanding boxer and showman, utterly watchable. Objectively, I could be classed as a Tyson apologist, despite finding many of his flaws repugnant.
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by eschiff on Nov 10, 2015 20:49:30 GMT 1, Caravaggio is a figure so far removed from us in history he is not really a person or a moral agent, merely a concept and style that ties together a collection of paintings. This clearly does not make any logical sense but beauty and artistic quality are emotive not logical. Beauty and artistic quality may be such that everything else arguably becomes insignificant, and can therefore be overlooked. In which case, we could be talking about the work of a contemporary figure, not necessarily a distant historical one. This is probably one reason why people are commonly willing to offer the artists they love a free pass, excusing their poor behaviour. It isn't dissimilar to the way movie stars, pop stars or professional athletes will often be forgiven for things ordinary individuals could not get away with. Real talent or merely the aura of celebrity can have a hypnotic effect on the public. I alluded to the phenomenon in relation to Mike Tyson here. He's a convicted rapist, he was an alleged wife-beater and spousal abuser, he was a thug in his Brooklyn youth who took part in armed robberies, muggings, etc. He was also an outstanding boxer and showman, utterly watchable. Objectively, I could be classed as a Tyson apologist, despite finding many of his flaws repugnant. So met do you believe that human failings are excusable if the person has added 'value' (I put in quotes as value is subjective) to society/and or an observer? Basically, does one event, or a series, define that person or does the entirety of their contributions have an effect?
Caravaggio is a figure so far removed from us in history he is not really a person or a moral agent, merely a concept and style that ties together a collection of paintings. This clearly does not make any logical sense but beauty and artistic quality are emotive not logical. Beauty and artistic quality may be such that everything else arguably becomes insignificant, and can therefore be overlooked. In which case, we could be talking about the work of a contemporary figure, not necessarily a distant historical one. This is probably one reason why people are commonly willing to offer the artists they love a free pass, excusing their poor behaviour. It isn't dissimilar to the way movie stars, pop stars or professional athletes will often be forgiven for things ordinary individuals could not get away with. Real talent or merely the aura of celebrity can have a hypnotic effect on the public. I alluded to the phenomenon in relation to Mike Tyson here. He's a convicted rapist, he was an alleged wife-beater and spousal abuser, he was a thug in his Brooklyn youth who took part in armed robberies, muggings, etc. He was also an outstanding boxer and showman, utterly watchable. Objectively, I could be classed as a Tyson apologist, despite finding many of his flaws repugnant. So met do you believe that human failings are excusable if the person has added 'value' (I put in quotes as value is subjective) to society/and or an observer? Basically, does one event, or a series, define that person or does the entirety of their contributions have an effect?
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by trapnel1 on Nov 10, 2015 21:38:54 GMT 1, I've no time for Charles Krafft or this show at all, but the general discussion is an interesting one. I used to love (and still do) the prints and book illustrations of Eric Gill, who is a relatively recent figure. His sculptures are prominent in several well known buildings. His personal life would have put him in the Rolf Harris category today - what should we make of his art in light of that? Should it be assigned to the dustbin of history? Should the sculptures be removed?
(Think I'll hang onto my books though!).
I've no time for Charles Krafft or this show at all, but the general discussion is an interesting one. I used to love (and still do) the prints and book illustrations of Eric Gill, who is a relatively recent figure. His sculptures are prominent in several well known buildings. His personal life would have put him in the Rolf Harris category today - what should we make of his art in light of that? Should it be assigned to the dustbin of history? Should the sculptures be removed? (Think I'll hang onto my books though!).
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by met on Nov 10, 2015 21:39:04 GMT 1, Beauty and artistic quality may be such that everything else arguably becomes insignificant, and can therefore be overlooked. In which case, we could be talking about the work of a contemporary figure, not necessarily a distant historical one. This is probably one reason why people are commonly willing to offer the artists they love a free pass, excusing their poor behaviour. It isn't dissimilar to the way movie stars, pop stars or professional athletes will often be forgiven for things ordinary individuals could not get away with. Real talent or merely the aura of celebrity can have a hypnotic effect on the public. I alluded to the phenomenon in relation to Mike Tyson here. He's a convicted rapist, he was an alleged wife-beater and spousal abuser, he was a thug in his Brooklyn youth who took part in armed robberies, muggings, etc. He was also an outstanding boxer and showman, utterly watchable. Objectively, I could be classed as a Tyson apologist, despite finding many of his flaws repugnant. So met do you believe that human failings are excusable if the person has added 'value' (I put in quotes as value is subjective) to society/and or an observer? Basically, does one event, or a series, define that person or does the entirety of their contributions have an effect? I consider individuals and their circumstances on a case-by-case basis.
From a subjective and personal standpoint, most (if not all) human failings are, for want of a better term, excusable for me โ depending on what the individual has contributed and what added value they have brought by way of trade-off. For example, I'm willing to accept the emotional devastation and numerous suicides Picasso was directly or indirectly responsible for. They are part of a larger, complex history of the artist, but they do not define him.
From an objective and societal standpoint, my views on the subject are more ambivalent.
Beauty and artistic quality may be such that everything else arguably becomes insignificant, and can therefore be overlooked. In which case, we could be talking about the work of a contemporary figure, not necessarily a distant historical one. This is probably one reason why people are commonly willing to offer the artists they love a free pass, excusing their poor behaviour. It isn't dissimilar to the way movie stars, pop stars or professional athletes will often be forgiven for things ordinary individuals could not get away with. Real talent or merely the aura of celebrity can have a hypnotic effect on the public. I alluded to the phenomenon in relation to Mike Tyson here. He's a convicted rapist, he was an alleged wife-beater and spousal abuser, he was a thug in his Brooklyn youth who took part in armed robberies, muggings, etc. He was also an outstanding boxer and showman, utterly watchable. Objectively, I could be classed as a Tyson apologist, despite finding many of his flaws repugnant. So met do you believe that human failings are excusable if the person has added 'value' (I put in quotes as value is subjective) to society/and or an observer? Basically, does one event, or a series, define that person or does the entirety of their contributions have an effect? I consider individuals and their circumstances on a case-by-case basis. From a subjective and personal standpoint, most (if not all) human failings are, for want of a better term, excusable for me โ depending on what the individual has contributed and what added value they have brought by way of trade-off. For example, I'm willing to accept the emotional devastation and numerous suicides Picasso was directly or indirectly responsible for. They are part of a larger, complex history of the artist, but they do not define him. From an objective and societal standpoint, my views on the subject are more ambivalent.
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by dreadnatty on Nov 10, 2015 21:42:26 GMT 1, Does D*Face own Stolenspace?
Does D*Face own Stolenspace?
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by met on Nov 10, 2015 21:59:06 GMT 1, I've no time for Charles Krafft or this show at all, but the general discussion is an interesting one. I used to love (and still do) the prints and book illustrations of Eric Gill, who is a relatively recent figure. His sculptures are prominent in several well known buildings. His personal life would have put him in the Rolf Harris category today - what should we make of his art in light of that? Should it be assigned to the dustbin of history? Should the sculptures be removed? (Think I'll hang onto my books though!). You may find the short BBC video โ Can art and artist ever be separated? โ by Will Gompertz to be of interest:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-30219708
I've no time for Charles Krafft or this show at all, but the general discussion is an interesting one. I used to love (and still do) the prints and book illustrations of Eric Gill, who is a relatively recent figure. His sculptures are prominent in several well known buildings. His personal life would have put him in the Rolf Harris category today - what should we make of his art in light of that? Should it be assigned to the dustbin of history? Should the sculptures be removed? (Think I'll hang onto my books though!). You may find the short BBC video โ Can art and artist ever be separated? โ by Will Gompertz to be of interest: www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-30219708
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by trapnel1 on Nov 10, 2015 22:09:03 GMT 1, I've no time for Charles Krafft or this show at all, but the general discussion is an interesting one. I used to love (and still do) the prints and book illustrations of Eric Gill, who is a relatively recent figure. His sculptures are prominent in several well known buildings. His personal life would have put him in the Rolf Harris category today - what should we make of his art in light of that? Should it be assigned to the dustbin of history? Should the sculptures be removed? (Think I'll hang onto my books though!). You may find the short BBC video โ Can art and artist ever be separated? โ by Will Gompertz to be of interest: www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-30219708 Very interesting......hadn't seen that. Thank you.
I think that there's no doubt that passage of time is one of the things which influences our attitudes.
I've no time for Charles Krafft or this show at all, but the general discussion is an interesting one. I used to love (and still do) the prints and book illustrations of Eric Gill, who is a relatively recent figure. His sculptures are prominent in several well known buildings. His personal life would have put him in the Rolf Harris category today - what should we make of his art in light of that? Should it be assigned to the dustbin of history? Should the sculptures be removed? (Think I'll hang onto my books though!). You may find the short BBC video โ Can art and artist ever be separated? โ by Will Gompertz to be of interest: www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-30219708Very interesting......hadn't seen that. Thank you. I think that there's no doubt that passage of time is one of the things which influences our attitudes.
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by Lroy on Nov 10, 2015 22:10:06 GMT 1, Just saying, in2 seconds, how can we compare ( " common " ) criminals ( rapists, murderers, pedophiles etc ... ), and trying to find " excuse "' because of art to these men, and .... Fanatics, " sons " of Hitler, fidel lovers of the third Reich , nostalgics and revisionists! This Hitler made holocaust, killed billions of people, kids Eric .. And any fans must be banned. Estheticism is not an excuse. F. ck it , or bring it - them - to the ghettos !!
Just saying, in2 seconds, how can we compare ( " common " ) criminals ( rapists, murderers, pedophiles etc ... ), and trying to find " excuse "' because of art to these men, and .... Fanatics, " sons " of Hitler, fidel lovers of the third Reich , nostalgics and revisionists! This Hitler made holocaust, killed billions of people, kids Eric .. And any fans must be banned. Estheticism is not an excuse. F. ck it , or bring it - them - to the ghettos !!
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by Coach on Nov 10, 2015 22:31:21 GMT 1, Very interesting......hadn't seen that.ย Thank you. I think that there's no doubt that passage of time is one of the things which influences our attitudes.
Indeed. That was my point.
Very interesting......hadn't seen that.ย Thank you. I think that there's no doubt that passage of time is one of the things which influences our attitudes. Indeed. That was my point.
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 22:38:56 GMT 1, Very interesting......hadn't seen that. Thank you. I think that there's no doubt that passage of time is one of the things which influences our attitudes. Indeed. That was my point. A few people now regretting binning their Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris memorabilia
Very interesting......hadn't seen that. Thank you. I think that there's no doubt that passage of time is one of the things which influences our attitudes. Indeed. That was my point. A few people now regretting binning their Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris memorabilia
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by trapnel1 on Nov 10, 2015 22:41:14 GMT 1, Very interesting......hadn't seen that. Thank you. I think that there's no doubt that passage of time is one of the things which influences our attitudes. Indeed. That was my point. And then the question arises, how long is long enough? It's unlikely that any of Eric Gill's victims are still alive, but their children may be. The evidence suggests that is long enough, as there doesn't seem any great clamour to remove his art from public view.
The longer that passes, the more likely the art is to be judged on its own merits. And the more abhorrent the crimes, the less likely the art to be judged on its own merits.
Very interesting......hadn't seen that. Thank you. I think that there's no doubt that passage of time is one of the things which influences our attitudes. Indeed. That was my point. And then the question arises, how long is long enough? It's unlikely that any of Eric Gill's victims are still alive, but their children may be. The evidence suggests that is long enough, as there doesn't seem any great clamour to remove his art from public view. The longer that passes, the more likely the art is to be judged on its own merits. And the more abhorrent the crimes, the less likely the art to be judged on its own merits.
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Charles Krafft show at Stolenspace, by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 22:46:14 GMT 1, Very interesting......hadn't seen that. Thank you. I think that there's no doubt that passage of time is one of the things which influences our attitudes. A good article on Eric Gill that's discusses some of these issues here : www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2006/jul/22/art.art
Very interesting......hadn't seen that. Thank you. I think that there's no doubt that passage of time is one of the things which influences our attitudes. A good article on Eric Gill that's discusses some of these issues here : www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2006/jul/22/art.art
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