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Satellite Owls, by Dr Plip on Jan 25, 2016 16:29:25 GMT 1, They're quite beautiful. I wonder if she's ever painted the moon on a satellite dish.
They're quite beautiful. I wonder if she's ever painted the moon on a satellite dish.
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Satellite Owls, by ABC on Jan 25, 2016 17:49:23 GMT 1, They look great, I would certainly love to see the reaction of people with that on my roof. Would the dish still work with it painted? Just a thought.
They look great, I would certainly love to see the reaction of people with that on my roof. Would the dish still work with it painted? Just a thought.
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Satellite Owls, by 11 on Jan 25, 2016 17:55:59 GMT 1, They do look great - not to sure I'd be weighing out for a bit of high-end art and then bolt it to the outside of the building.
ABC - it is the little receiver on the end of the pole that picks up the signal - the dish is just designed to concentrate the waves so as long as the 'receiving' part is unobstructed they should still work fine. I cant help thinking to myself the receivers sticking out like that look a bit like selfie sticks
They do look great - not to sure I'd be weighing out for a bit of high-end art and then bolt it to the outside of the building. ABC - it is the little receiver on the end of the pole that picks up the signal - the dish is just designed to concentrate the waves so as long as the 'receiving' part is unobstructed they should still work fine. I cant help thinking to myself the receivers sticking out like that look a bit like selfie sticks
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Satellite Owls, by Hairbland on Jan 25, 2016 18:19:21 GMT 1, Taking the opposing view, I don't like these at all. Is that ok to put in a thread these days?
To me it seems like something I'd see at some juried art / craft show. But that's just me, a guy who goes to the galleries in Chelsea or the L.E.S., MOMA et al and juried art / craft shows.
If these were not on dish antennas I don't think there'd be any conversation at all. However, if I had to have a painted dish a Sweet Toof mouth might scare the neighbors.
Taking the opposing view, I don't like these at all. Is that ok to put in a thread these days?
To me it seems like something I'd see at some juried art / craft show. But that's just me, a guy who goes to the galleries in Chelsea or the L.E.S., MOMA et al and juried art / craft shows.
If these were not on dish antennas I don't think there'd be any conversation at all. However, if I had to have a painted dish a Sweet Toof mouth might scare the neighbors.
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Satellite Owls, by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 18:52:08 GMT 1, They probably look great when there is a full moon.
I like them a lot, I also like owls.
Lots of people custom paint satellite dishes etc.
I had an idea once of printing or stencilling football club colors and names on sattelite dishes.
I didn't do it. I don't like football and then theres all getting permission from clubs licensing etc.
They probably look great when there is a full moon.
I like them a lot, I also like owls.
Lots of people custom paint satellite dishes etc.
I had an idea once of printing or stencilling football club colors and names on sattelite dishes.
I didn't do it. I don't like football and then theres all getting permission from clubs licensing etc.
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Satellite Owls, by rbk on Jan 25, 2016 22:39:18 GMT 1, think its a really interesting concept to use the ols sat dishes. must say also not a great fan of the content but thats just a personal view but do like the concept
think its a really interesting concept to use the ols sat dishes. must say also not a great fan of the content but thats just a personal view but do like the concept
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Satellite Owls, by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 22:49:19 GMT 1, Her site is here and she works in different mediums. emilyannswan.com/EMILYANNSWAN
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Satellite Owls, by randomname on Jan 25, 2016 23:13:44 GMT 1, This is urban?
This is urban?
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Satellite Owls, by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 23:43:53 GMT 1, Yes it is, satellite dishes are urban architecture and the art is on the dishes plus on her site you can see the dishes fixed on walls.
She is talented has a fine art degree from Central Saint martens and describes herself as,
"An intuitive maker, where material and technique inform how my work will end up taking form. "
She works in concrete and stone too and other materials and could well be an artist to watch for the future.
Yes it is, satellite dishes are urban architecture and the art is on the dishes plus on her site you can see the dishes fixed on walls. She is talented has a fine art degree from Central Saint martens and describes herself as, "An intuitive maker, where material and technique inform how my work will end up taking form. "
She works in concrete and stone too and other materials and could well be an artist to watch for the future.
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Satellite Owls, by randomname on Jan 26, 2016 0:17:03 GMT 1, I'll happily be in the minority if I'm the only one who doesn't think painting something on a satellite dish makes it urban. Looks like something little old ladies would love. Not that there's anything wrong with little old ladies.
I'll happily be in the minority if I'm the only one who doesn't think painting something on a satellite dish makes it urban. Looks like something little old ladies would love. Not that there's anything wrong with little old ladies.
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Satellite Owls, by dreadnatty on Jan 26, 2016 0:32:55 GMT 1, I'll happily be in the minority if I'm the only one who doesn't think painting something on a satellite dish makes it urban. Looks like something little old ladies would love. Not that there's anything wrong with little old ladies. Im with ya....doesnt do anything for me though perhaps if Toof did his magic on there I might change my mind.
I'll happily be in the minority if I'm the only one who doesn't think painting something on a satellite dish makes it urban. Looks like something little old ladies would love. Not that there's anything wrong with little old ladies. Im with ya....doesnt do anything for me though perhaps if Toof did his magic on there I might change my mind.
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Satellite Owls, by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 1:02:05 GMT 1, I'll happily be in the minority if I'm the only one who doesn't think painting something on a satellite dish makes it urban. Looks like something little old ladies would love. Not that there's anything wrong with little old ladies. She is urban she lives in a city.
No one complains about Ai Weiwei and Hirst and Emin threads on here and I don't see how they are urban.
gargoyles
I'll happily be in the minority if I'm the only one who doesn't think painting something on a satellite dish makes it urban. Looks like something little old ladies would love. Not that there's anything wrong with little old ladies. She is urban she lives in a city. No one complains about Ai Weiwei and Hirst and Emin threads on here and I don't see how they are urban. gargoyles
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Satellite Owls, by avec art on Jan 26, 2016 1:34:46 GMT 1, I'm on the fence with this one
I'm on the fence with this one
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Satellite Owls, by Hairbland on Jan 26, 2016 3:15:16 GMT 1, I'll happily be in the minority if I'm the only one who doesn't think painting something on a satellite dish makes it urban. Looks like something little old ladies would love. Not that there's anything wrong with little old ladies. She is urban she lives in a city. No one complains about Ai Weiwei and Hirst and Emin threads on here and I don't see how they are urban. gargoyles Sorry Ploppi but playing The Contrarian this time doesn't work. For starters google "Urban Art" and read up a bit. Note I understand that "Urban Art" shouldn't need to be "looked up", much like Groucho wouldn't want to be a member of any club that would accept him.
These could easily be painted on shells or rocks. FYI the artist graduated in 2015 with a BFA (to clear up a bit of your misinformation). I put the onus on Atom Gallery for posting these here, and then suggesting a literal translation.
I'll happily be in the minority if I'm the only one who doesn't think painting something on a satellite dish makes it urban. Looks like something little old ladies would love. Not that there's anything wrong with little old ladies. She is urban she lives in a city. No one complains about Ai Weiwei and Hirst and Emin threads on here and I don't see how they are urban. gargoyles Sorry Ploppi but playing The Contrarian this time doesn't work. For starters google "Urban Art" and read up a bit. Note I understand that "Urban Art" shouldn't need to be "looked up", much like Groucho wouldn't want to be a member of any club that would accept him. These could easily be painted on shells or rocks. FYI the artist graduated in 2015 with a BFA (to clear up a bit of your misinformation). I put the onus on Atom Gallery for posting these here, and then suggesting a literal translation.
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Satellite Owls, by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 3:38:38 GMT 1, She is urban she lives in a city. No one complains about Ai Weiwei and Hirst and Emin threads on here and I don't see how they are urban. gargoyles Sorry Ploppi but playing The Contrarian this time doesn't work. ย For starters google "Urban Art" and read up a bit. ย Note I understand that "Urban Art" shouldn't need to be "looked up", much like Groucho wouldn't want to be a member of any club that would accept him. ย These could easily be painted on shells or rocks. ย FYI the artist graduated in 2015 with a BFA (to clear up a bit of your misinformation). ย I put the onus on Atom Gallery for posting these here, and then suggesting a literal translation. Urban art used to be called abstract expressionism. Way back when.
Her about page says "Recent graduate from Central Saint Martins."
ย I never went to art school so figured graduating was the same as a degree.
And what is called "urban art" today oftentimes painted legally comissioned using big machines etc is nothing more than murals and not urban art.
ย A satellite dish is in the urban environment is it not?
She is urban she lives in a city. No one complains about Ai Weiwei and Hirst and Emin threads on here and I don't see how they are urban. gargoyles Sorry Ploppi but playing The Contrarian this time doesn't work. ย For starters google "Urban Art" and read up a bit. ย Note I understand that "Urban Art" shouldn't need to be "looked up", much like Groucho wouldn't want to be a member of any club that would accept him. ย These could easily be painted on shells or rocks. ย FYI the artist graduated in 2015 with a BFA (to clear up a bit of your misinformation). ย I put the onus on Atom Gallery for posting these here, and then suggesting a literal translation. Urban art used to be called abstract expressionism. Way back when. Her about page says "Recent graduate from Central Saint Martins."ย I never went to art school so figured graduating was the same as a degree. And what is called "urban art" today oftentimes painted legally comissioned using big machines etc is nothing more than murals and not urban art. ย A satellite dish is in the urban environment is it not?
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Satellite Owls, by randomname on Jan 26, 2016 5:41:43 GMT 1, Apparently my nana liked urban art before it was urban art. She always was a cool, old broad.
Apparently my nana liked urban art before it was urban art. She always was a cool, old broad.
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Satellite Owls, by treweman on Jan 26, 2016 6:29:06 GMT 1, Not a fan.
Not a fan.
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Satellite Owls, by Poster Bob on Jan 26, 2016 8:12:49 GMT 1, Well there's her 15 minutes of fame over. Next.
Well there's her 15 minutes of fame over. Next.
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Satellite Owls, by rjf76 on Jan 26, 2016 9:00:19 GMT 1, Not sure if I like this new game 'How to derail and destroy'... None of us have to like everything and of course have an opinion but more and more threads (recently) seem to descend into outright p**s-taking. Pretty disrespectful imo.
More positivity people?!
Not sure if I like this new game 'How to derail and destroy'... None of us have to like everything and of course have an opinion but more and more threads (recently) seem to descend into outright p**s-taking. Pretty disrespectful imo.
More positivity people?!
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Satellite Owls, by chrisell66 on Jan 26, 2016 9:36:13 GMT 1, Not sure if I like this new game 'How to derail and destroy'... None of us have to like everything and of course have an opinion but more and more threads (recently) seem to descend into outright p**s-taking. Pretty disrespectful imo. More positivity people?! I think the comments have been both positive and negative - if you put something in the public arena it'll get feedback and it won't all be nice.
I'm a bit on the fence - caught between interesting with potential and a bit twee. Its not about to set the world on fire but there's a lot worse out there.
Not sure if I like this new game 'How to derail and destroy'... None of us have to like everything and of course have an opinion but more and more threads (recently) seem to descend into outright p**s-taking. Pretty disrespectful imo. More positivity people?! I think the comments have been both positive and negative - if you put something in the public arena it'll get feedback and it won't all be nice. I'm a bit on the fence - caught between interesting with potential and a bit twee. Its not about to set the world on fire but there's a lot worse out there.
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Satellite Owls, by rjf76 on Jan 26, 2016 9:55:01 GMT 1, Not sure if I like this new game 'How to derail and destroy'... None of us have to like everything and of course have an opinion but more and more threads (recently) seem to descend into outright p**s-taking. Pretty disrespectful imo. More positivity people?! I think the comments have been both positive and negative - if you put something in the public arena it'll get feedback and it won't all be nice. I'm a bit on the fence - caught between interesting with potential and a bit twee. Its not about to set the world on fire but there's a lot worse out there.
Yes I agree...it's not about having to like it but let's be constructive (as some people are!)
It's not my taste personally (and I also love owls but can appreciate the commitment and achievement by a young artist.
Maybe I woke up grumpy ha ha
Not sure if I like this new game 'How to derail and destroy'... None of us have to like everything and of course have an opinion but more and more threads (recently) seem to descend into outright p**s-taking. Pretty disrespectful imo. More positivity people?! I think the comments have been both positive and negative - if you put something in the public arena it'll get feedback and it won't all be nice. I'm a bit on the fence - caught between interesting with potential and a bit twee. Its not about to set the world on fire but there's a lot worse out there. Yes I agree...it's not about having to like it but let's be constructive (as some people are!) It's not my taste personally (and I also love owls but can appreciate the commitment and achievement by a young artist. Maybe I woke up grumpy ha ha
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Satellite Owls, by ABC on Jan 26, 2016 9:56:49 GMT 1, Not sure if I like this new game 'How to derail and destroy'... None of us have to like everything and of course have an opinion but more and more threads (recently) seem to descend into outright p**s-taking. Pretty disrespectful imo. More positivity people?! It's a generation/internet thing in which diplomacy/morals ( to a certain degree) no longer seem to exist. I was discussing something similar the other day. An opinion is easy to express behind a screen without any thought for "real persons feelings", I'm not sure how many would express the same views out loud if face to face with the person. I'm not directing this at the above thread comments (using diplomacy but just voicing general thoughts on tinterweb in general.
Not sure if I like this new game 'How to derail and destroy'... None of us have to like everything and of course have an opinion but more and more threads (recently) seem to descend into outright p**s-taking. Pretty disrespectful imo. More positivity people?! It's a generation/internet thing in which diplomacy/morals ( to a certain degree) no longer seem to exist. I was discussing something similar the other day. An opinion is easy to express behind a screen without any thought for "real persons feelings", I'm not sure how many would express the same views out loud if face to face with the person. I'm not directing this at the above thread comments (using diplomacy but just voicing general thoughts on tinterweb in general.
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Satellite Owls, by Eton Groover on Jan 26, 2016 10:22:51 GMT 1, Not sure if I like this new game 'How to derail and destroy'... None of us have to like everything and of course have an opinion but more and more threads (recently) seem to descend into outright p**s-taking. Pretty disrespectful imo. More positivity people?! It's a generation/internet thing in which diplomacy/morals ( to a certain degree) no longer seem to exist. I was discussing something similar the other day. An opinion is easy to express behind a screen without any thought for "real persons feelings", I'm not sure how many would express the same views out loud if face to face with the person. I'm not directing this at the above thread comments (using diplomacy but just voicing general thoughts on tinterweb in general. Eeeh! Young people today eh?
Not sure if I like this new game 'How to derail and destroy'... None of us have to like everything and of course have an opinion but more and more threads (recently) seem to descend into outright p**s-taking. Pretty disrespectful imo. More positivity people?! It's a generation/internet thing in which diplomacy/morals ( to a certain degree) no longer seem to exist. I was discussing something similar the other day. An opinion is easy to express behind a screen without any thought for "real persons feelings", I'm not sure how many would express the same views out loud if face to face with the person. I'm not directing this at the above thread comments (using diplomacy but just voicing general thoughts on tinterweb in general. Eeeh! Young people today eh?
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Satellite Owls, by iamzero on Jan 26, 2016 10:32:22 GMT 1, My Ma says if you've got nothing nice say... Slag it off.
My Ma says if you've got nothing nice say... Slag it off.
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Satellite Owls, by Dr Plip on Jan 26, 2016 11:00:58 GMT 1, I've often wondered what criteria has to be met for a piece of art to be considered "Urban". But then I don't get out much and I'm very lonely. But anyway, I think it's a very flexible definition. If you take it to mean something life "In or of a town or city", then a satellite dish certainly meets that criteria. Probably more so than paper, which as we all know belongs in the forest. Where the owls live. But some live in barns.
Anyway, could you also claim a piece of art to be "Urban" if you painted it while you were in a city?
What about if you painted a picture of a grimy city street, while in the comfort of your Cotswold studio. That "Urban"?
Should we consider embracing the term "Suburban" art?
So many questions.
I've often wondered what criteria has to be met for a piece of art to be considered "Urban". But then I don't get out much and I'm very lonely. But anyway, I think it's a very flexible definition. If you take it to mean something life "In or of a town or city", then a satellite dish certainly meets that criteria. Probably more so than paper, which as we all know belongs in the forest. Where the owls live. But some live in barns.
Anyway, could you also claim a piece of art to be "Urban" if you painted it while you were in a city?
What about if you painted a picture of a grimy city street, while in the comfort of your Cotswold studio. That "Urban"?
Should we consider embracing the term "Suburban" art?
So many questions.
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Satellite Owls, by rjf76 on Jan 26, 2016 11:03:04 GMT 1, I've often wondered what criteria has to be met for a piece of art to be considered "Urban". But then I don't get out much and I'm very lonely. But anyway, I think it's a very flexible definition. If you take it to mean something life "In or of a town or city", then a satellite dish certainly meets that criteria. Probably more so than paper, which as we all know belongs in the forest. Where the owls live. But some live in barns. Anyway, could you also claim a piece of art to be "Urban" if you painted it while you were in a city? What about if you painted a picture of a grimy city street, while in the comfort of your Cotswold studio. That "Urban"? Should we consider embracing the term "Suburban" art? So many questions. Rural Art
I've often wondered what criteria has to be met for a piece of art to be considered "Urban". But then I don't get out much and I'm very lonely. But anyway, I think it's a very flexible definition. If you take it to mean something life "In or of a town or city", then a satellite dish certainly meets that criteria. Probably more so than paper, which as we all know belongs in the forest. Where the owls live. But some live in barns. Anyway, could you also claim a piece of art to be "Urban" if you painted it while you were in a city? What about if you painted a picture of a grimy city street, while in the comfort of your Cotswold studio. That "Urban"? Should we consider embracing the term "Suburban" art? So many questions. Rural Art
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Satellite Owls, by ABC on Jan 26, 2016 11:04:09 GMT 1, It's a generation/internet thing in which diplomacy/morals ( to a certain degree) no longer seem to exist. I was discussing something similar the other day. An opinion is easy to express behind a screen without any thought for "real persons feelings", I'm not sure how many would express the same views out loud if face to face with the person. I'm not directing this at the above thread comments (using diplomacy but just voicing general thoughts on tinterweb in general. Eeeh! Young people today eh? Three of which live in my house in the form of teenagers and feel I'm sadly turning into my parents who said the same about us.
It's a generation/internet thing in which diplomacy/morals ( to a certain degree) no longer seem to exist. I was discussing something similar the other day. An opinion is easy to express behind a screen without any thought for "real persons feelings", I'm not sure how many would express the same views out loud if face to face with the person. I'm not directing this at the above thread comments (using diplomacy but just voicing general thoughts on tinterweb in general. Eeeh! Young people today eh? Three of which live in my house in the form of teenagers and feel I'm sadly turning into my parents who said the same about us.
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Satellite Owls, by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 11:42:19 GMT 1, It could be that something hand painted is so shocking to "fans" of urban art who are beginning to sound like their parents. It's like a space invader thing where if this artist continues to paint owl faces on satellite dishes and does enough of them all over the place, gets good prmotion , produces a ltd edition print or mini satellite dish. The flippers take over and then oh yes this is urban it's great innit.
Whats urban whats not urban, to me urban art is a load of old bull anyway. It's not graffiti, it's not dangerous or illegal, it's just pretty murals, propaganda and flipping. With lots of online galleries springing up, bloggers and floggers working together.
Mr Brainwash is as far from urban art as one can get, yes he puts stuff on walls done by assistants and rips off other peoples photos of celebrities has no artistic vision or talent apart from self promotion and flogging stuff to flippers but he gets his stuff on walls so it must be "urban"
Regarding this artist and her website it shows the variety of her work and mediums. Her metal and wax sculpture is definately urban and her other art and drawings do show original thought.
If she paints some stuff on a wall then it's "urban" but these days uran art is not on the outside pushing agisnt the system, it is the system pushing out competition.
Urban art is flippable thats for sure and stencils made from stock photos with paint splattered on top or parodies of Disney and cartoon figures very appealing to some buyers.
It could be that something hand painted is so shocking to "fans" of urban art who are beginning to sound like their parents. It's like a space invader thing where if this artist continues to paint owl faces on satellite dishes and does enough of them all over the place, gets good prmotion , produces a ltd edition print or mini satellite dish. The flippers take over and then oh yes this is urban it's great innit. Whats urban whats not urban, to me urban art is a load of old bull anyway. It's not graffiti, it's not dangerous or illegal, it's just pretty murals, propaganda and flipping. With lots of online galleries springing up, bloggers and floggers working together. Mr Brainwash is as far from urban art as one can get, yes he puts stuff on walls done by assistants and rips off other peoples photos of celebrities has no artistic vision or talent apart from self promotion and flogging stuff to flippers but he gets his stuff on walls so it must be "urban" Regarding this artist and her website it shows the variety of her work and mediums. Her metal and wax sculpture is definately urban and her other art and drawings do show original thought. If she paints some stuff on a wall then it's "urban" but these days uran art is not on the outside pushing agisnt the system, it is the system pushing out competition. Urban art is flippable thats for sure and stencils made from stock photos with paint splattered on top or parodies of Disney and cartoon figures very appealing to some buyers.
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Satellite Owls, by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 11:44:53 GMT 1, She is urban she lives in a city. No one complains about Ai Weiwei and Hirst and Emin threads on here and I don't see how they are urban. gargoyles Sorry Ploppi but playing The Contrarian this time doesn't work. For starters google "Urban Art" and read up a bit. Note I understand that "Urban Art" shouldn't need to be "looked up", much like Groucho wouldn't want to be a member of any club that would accept him. These could easily be painted on shells or rocks. FYI the artist graduated in 2015 with a BFA (to clear up a bit of your misinformation). I put the onus on Atom Gallery for posting these here, and then suggesting a literal translation. I painted on small rocks and big pebbles when I was a kid. Mainly baseball boots, Nike trainers etc which I gave away to my friends. Happy days.
She is urban she lives in a city. No one complains about Ai Weiwei and Hirst and Emin threads on here and I don't see how they are urban. gargoyles Sorry Ploppi but playing The Contrarian this time doesn't work. For starters google "Urban Art" and read up a bit. Note I understand that "Urban Art" shouldn't need to be "looked up", much like Groucho wouldn't want to be a member of any club that would accept him. These could easily be painted on shells or rocks. FYI the artist graduated in 2015 with a BFA (to clear up a bit of your misinformation). I put the onus on Atom Gallery for posting these here, and then suggesting a literal translation. I painted on small rocks and big pebbles when I was a kid. Mainly baseball boots, Nike trainers etc which I gave away to my friends. Happy days.
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Satellite Owls, by chrisell66 on Jan 26, 2016 12:47:42 GMT 1, It's a fine line to tread with comments/criticism - and yep the modern keyboard warrior hiding behind a screen will become more and more common. But someone has to voice a contrary opinion - but there are ways of doing it - or sometimes just going its **** privately and move on because its not within our tastes - if you dislike a genre of anything you'll always hate it.
I still think the whole urban label is just a convenient label these days - here is slowly morphing into a general contemporary art forum which isn't a bad thing. Artists evolve - our own tastes evolve - and like punk (or most movements) true "urban" ran out of things to say a while ago (at least from an art view) - but it influences what comes next. Equally after its finished eating itself it will re emerge.
It's a fine line to tread with comments/criticism - and yep the modern keyboard warrior hiding behind a screen will become more and more common. But someone has to voice a contrary opinion - but there are ways of doing it - or sometimes just going its **** privately and move on because its not within our tastes - if you dislike a genre of anything you'll always hate it.
I still think the whole urban label is just a convenient label these days - here is slowly morphing into a general contemporary art forum which isn't a bad thing. Artists evolve - our own tastes evolve - and like punk (or most movements) true "urban" ran out of things to say a while ago (at least from an art view) - but it influences what comes next. Equally after its finished eating itself it will re emerge.
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