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Save the Banksy Campaign, by kchay on Feb 13, 2016 20:14:18 GMT 1, This appears to be a piece removed from the street, photographed, then turned into a print as a part of a 'Save the Banksy Campaign'; this has to be a joke.
www.liveauctioneers.com/item/43667608_banksy-coa
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Black Apple Art
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by Black Apple Art on Feb 13, 2016 20:32:46 GMT 1, This piece was "saved" over a year ago and is now in the US bank building a few blocks from me in LA.
This piece was "saved" over a year ago and is now in the US bank building a few blocks from me in LA.
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by Coach on Feb 13, 2016 20:47:52 GMT 1, This piece was "saved" over a year ago and is now in the US bank building a few blocks from me in LA.
That is just so wrong. Should be on the street. Not in a 'kin bank!!! Crying shame.
This piece was "saved" over a year ago and is now in the US bank building a few blocks from me in LA. That is just so wrong. Should be on the street. Not in a 'kin bank!!! Crying shame.
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kchay
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by kchay on Feb 13, 2016 20:59:17 GMT 1, The best part is the "founder of the campaign" has also taken the liberty to sign his own COA!
p1.liveauctioneers.com/3002/83984/43358068_3_x.jpg
Do people really buy this?
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by vinceherrera on Feb 17, 2016 23:42:28 GMT 1, I'm sure Banksy did not want his art preserved in a bank or anywhere at all. Street art has it's cycle and this is not allowing the natural cycle of the art to take place.
You experience a Banksy by getting to it before it is gone. Once it is preserved, it's really just a shitty stencil done by a famous artist that you can see at any time.
I'f the artist didn't want the piece to be "saved", I'm pretty sure he doesn't want unauthorized prints of it being sold. I'm also pretty sure there will be no secondary market value for the prints. You might as well print the bank photo above and tape it to your wall.
I'm sure Banksy did not want his art preserved in a bank or anywhere at all. Street art has it's cycle and this is not allowing the natural cycle of the art to take place.
You experience a Banksy by getting to it before it is gone. Once it is preserved, it's really just a shitty stencil done by a famous artist that you can see at any time.
I'f the artist didn't want the piece to be "saved", I'm pretty sure he doesn't want unauthorized prints of it being sold. I'm also pretty sure there will be no secondary market value for the prints. You might as well print the bank photo above and tape it to your wall.
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by gorkie on Feb 18, 2016 5:02:40 GMT 1, The city of San Francisco came down on the building owner and they demanded that the work be painted over because street art is considered "visual pollution". This is why the building owner was approached so that the work could be "saved" for the public to continue to enjoy the work.
I don't believe there has been any money made off of anything to do with this project.
www.savethebanksy.com
According to the website, Banksy approves of the string of events.
The city of San Francisco came down on the building owner and they demanded that the work be painted over because street art is considered "visual pollution". This is why the building owner was approached so that the work could be "saved" for the public to continue to enjoy the work. I don't believe there has been any money made off of anything to do with this project. www.savethebanksy.comAccording to the website, Banksy approves of the string of events.
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by kchay on Feb 21, 2016 21:25:57 GMT 1, I too wanted to believe the chivalrous story. However I became increasingly sceptical the more I read.
The truth is that the piece first appeared at Basel Miami with a $650,000 price tag along side other stolen works from Tel Aviv. It's undeniable that the founder is trying to profit from the piece.
If Banksy approves, than why would't he authenticate so it could be placed in a museum?
www.sfbg.com/pixel_vision/2013/01/11/haight-street-banksy-rat-looking-good-home
www.sfweekly.com/exhibitionist/2014/12/18/banksys-haight-street-rat-is-coming-home-to-san-francisco
The city of San Francisco came down on the building owner and they demanded that the work be painted over because street art is considered "visual pollution". This is why the building owner was approached so that the work could be "saved" for the public to continue to enjoy the work. I don't believe there has been any money made off of anything to do with this project. www.savethebanksy.comAccording to the website, Banksy approves of the string of events.
I too wanted to believe the chivalrous story. However I became increasingly sceptical the more I read. The truth is that the piece first appeared at Basel Miami with a $650,000 price tag along side other stolen works from Tel Aviv. It's undeniable that the founder is trying to profit from the piece. If Banksy approves, than why would't he authenticate so it could be placed in a museum? www.sfbg.com/pixel_vision/2013/01/11/haight-street-banksy-rat-looking-good-homewww.sfweekly.com/exhibitionist/2014/12/18/banksys-haight-street-rat-is-coming-home-to-san-franciscoThe city of San Francisco came down on the building owner and they demanded that the work be painted over because street art is considered "visual pollution". This is why the building owner was approached so that the work could be "saved" for the public to continue to enjoy the work. I don't believe there has been any money made off of anything to do with this project. www.savethebanksy.comAccording to the website, Banksy approves of the string of events.
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by gorkie on Feb 21, 2016 22:48:16 GMT 1, I too wanted to believe the chivalrous story. However I became increasingly sceptical the more I read. The truth is that the piece first appeared at Basel Miami with a $650,000 price tag along side other stolen works from Tel Aviv. It's undeniable that the founder is trying to profit from the piece. If Banksy approves, than why would't he authenticate so it could be placed in a museum? www.sfbg.com/pixel_vision/2013/01/11/haight-street-banksy-rat-looking-good-homewww.sfweekly.com/exhibitionist/2014/12/18/banksys-haight-street-rat-is-coming-home-to-san-franciscoThe city of San Francisco came down on the building owner and they demanded that the work be painted over because street art is considered "visual pollution". This is why the building owner was approached so that the work could be "saved" for the public to continue to enjoy the work. I don't believe there has been any money made off of anything to do with this project. www.savethebanksy.comAccording to the website, Banksy approves of the string of events. You are simply incorrect. This work has never ever been for sale once the Saving Banksy people took ownership of it. If you read your own article links you will see that they have been offered big bucks for the work but it will not be sold. Also, Ben Eine, Banksy's close friend is affiliated with the project. Do you really think Ben would associate himself with the project if Banksy had any issue at all with what they are trying to do, which is to save the work for the public to be able to see it. Stop spreading incorrect information.
I too wanted to believe the chivalrous story. However I became increasingly sceptical the more I read. The truth is that the piece first appeared at Basel Miami with a $650,000 price tag along side other stolen works from Tel Aviv. It's undeniable that the founder is trying to profit from the piece. If Banksy approves, than why would't he authenticate so it could be placed in a museum? www.sfbg.com/pixel_vision/2013/01/11/haight-street-banksy-rat-looking-good-homewww.sfweekly.com/exhibitionist/2014/12/18/banksys-haight-street-rat-is-coming-home-to-san-franciscoThe city of San Francisco came down on the building owner and they demanded that the work be painted over because street art is considered "visual pollution". This is why the building owner was approached so that the work could be "saved" for the public to continue to enjoy the work. I don't believe there has been any money made off of anything to do with this project. www.savethebanksy.comAccording to the website, Banksy approves of the string of events. You are simply incorrect. This work has never ever been for sale once the Saving Banksy people took ownership of it. If you read your own article links you will see that they have been offered big bucks for the work but it will not be sold. Also, Ben Eine, Banksy's close friend is affiliated with the project. Do you really think Ben would associate himself with the project if Banksy had any issue at all with what they are trying to do, which is to save the work for the public to be able to see it. Stop spreading incorrect information.
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kchay
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by kchay on Feb 22, 2016 2:14:45 GMT 1, Gorkie, You are a long time member and I have a lot of respect for that fact. I've also appreciated many of your thoughtful posts here.
If you think that I'm spreading incorrect information, by all means feel free to correct me. I certainly don't claim to have complete information.
Here are the facts as I see them gleaned from publicly available sources: - Very desirable and quite expensive Banksy (Haight Street Rat) is removed from the streets without the consent of the artist - Like all works removed from the street, Banksy will not authenticate - Haight Street Rat reappears two years later for the first time at Basel Miami alongside many other illegally removed works which were offered for sale. I was told by an attendee that the Haight Street Rat was offered at $650,000 but admittedly I don't have any evidence to support this claim. - Haight Street Rat is made available -- for a fee -- to private institutions - Person in possession of the piece sites increasingly large offers that have been rejected for the work while it's in storage - At some point the 'Save the Banksy' campaign was created - 'Save the Banksy' does not appear to be a legal organization, therefor the proceeds are benefitting someone individually - Recreations of the work are offered online in a way that makes them appear as if they are sanctioned by the artist and to the uneducated collector actual Banksy prints
With respect to your comment about the individual in possession of the Haight Street Rat making statements to the press about the refusal of large sums of money, I would assert that such claims almost exclusively benefit that individual and in no way benefit the public or street art movement as a whole.
If the Save the Banksy campaign wants to do the right thing, I think it should be returned to the street because like all street art it was intended to remain on the street, regardless of consequences.
Based upon the facts, I believe the most logical conclusion is that the 'Save the Banksy' campaign is parading this work around for there own benefit.
Gorkie, You are a long time member and I have a lot of respect for that fact. I've also appreciated many of your thoughtful posts here.
If you think that I'm spreading incorrect information, by all means feel free to correct me. I certainly don't claim to have complete information.
Here are the facts as I see them gleaned from publicly available sources: - Very desirable and quite expensive Banksy (Haight Street Rat) is removed from the streets without the consent of the artist - Like all works removed from the street, Banksy will not authenticate - Haight Street Rat reappears two years later for the first time at Basel Miami alongside many other illegally removed works which were offered for sale. I was told by an attendee that the Haight Street Rat was offered at $650,000 but admittedly I don't have any evidence to support this claim. - Haight Street Rat is made available -- for a fee -- to private institutions - Person in possession of the piece sites increasingly large offers that have been rejected for the work while it's in storage - At some point the 'Save the Banksy' campaign was created - 'Save the Banksy' does not appear to be a legal organization, therefor the proceeds are benefitting someone individually - Recreations of the work are offered online in a way that makes them appear as if they are sanctioned by the artist and to the uneducated collector actual Banksy prints
With respect to your comment about the individual in possession of the Haight Street Rat making statements to the press about the refusal of large sums of money, I would assert that such claims almost exclusively benefit that individual and in no way benefit the public or street art movement as a whole.
If the Save the Banksy campaign wants to do the right thing, I think it should be returned to the street because like all street art it was intended to remain on the street, regardless of consequences.
Based upon the facts, I believe the most logical conclusion is that the 'Save the Banksy' campaign is parading this work around for there own benefit.
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by gorkie on Feb 22, 2016 2:58:24 GMT 1, The facts are pretty simple-
-The city of San Francisco was forcing the building owner to paint over the work because they do not allow street art and consider it to be "visual pollution". -The work was purchased from the building owner so that it could be saved for generations to come to be able to see. -The work has never been offered for sale. -There is no profit being made off of the work. -Those prints of the work were part of the Kickstarter rewards to raise money. They were never presented to be an official Banksy print. People who supported the project knew exactly what they were and what they are not. -Those institutions who have agreed to show the work have not paid money to do so. -Ben Eine, Doze Green and Banksy have all been supportive of what has been done to save the work. -If you have any questions or concerns feel free to email savingbanksy@gmail.com
Take care
The facts are pretty simple-
-The city of San Francisco was forcing the building owner to paint over the work because they do not allow street art and consider it to be "visual pollution". -The work was purchased from the building owner so that it could be saved for generations to come to be able to see. -The work has never been offered for sale. -There is no profit being made off of the work. -Those prints of the work were part of the Kickstarter rewards to raise money. They were never presented to be an official Banksy print. People who supported the project knew exactly what they were and what they are not. -Those institutions who have agreed to show the work have not paid money to do so. -Ben Eine, Doze Green and Banksy have all been supportive of what has been done to save the work. -If you have any questions or concerns feel free to email savingbanksy@gmail.com
Take care
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by gorkie on Feb 22, 2016 2:58:42 GMT 1, Just deleted the duplicate post. Not sure how I keep doing that.
Just deleted the duplicate post. Not sure how I keep doing that.
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by Black Apple Art on Feb 22, 2016 3:12:00 GMT 1, Gorkie, You are a long time member and I have a lot of respect for that fact. I've also appreciated many of your thoughtful posts here. If you think that I'm spreading incorrect information, by all means feel free to correct me. I certainly don't claim to have complete information. Here are the facts as I see them gleaned from publicly available sources: - Very desirable and quite expensive Banksy (Haight Street Rat) is removed from the streets without the consent of the artist - Like all works removed from the street, Banksy will not authenticate - Haight Street Rat reappears two years later for the first time at Basel Miami alongside two other illegally removed works which were offered for sale. I was told by an attendee that the Haight Street Rat was offered at $650,000 but admittedly I don't have any evidence to support this claim. - Haight Street Rat is made available -- for a fee -- to private institutions - Person in possession of the piece sites increasingly large offers that have been rejected for the work while it's in storage - At some point the 'Save the Banksy' campaign was created - 'Save the Banksy' does not appear to be a legal organization, therefor the proceeds are benefitting someone individually - Recreations of the work are offered online in a way that makes them appear as if they are sanctioned by the artist and to the uneducated collector actual Banksy prints With respect to your comment about the individual in possession of the Haight Street Rat making statements to the press about the refusal of large sums of money, I would assert that such claims almost exclusively benefit that individual and in no way benefit the public or street art movement as a whole. If the Save the Banksy campaign wants to do the right thing, I think it should be returned to the street because like all street art it was intended to remain on the street, regardless of consequences. Based upon the facts, I believe the most logical conclusion is that the 'Save the Banksy' campaign is parading this work around for there own benefit. Not sure about your sources for your information but this piece was attached to a structure that was scheduled to be demolished which is what spawned the "Save The Banksy" campaign. It was obviously going to take significant funds to remove and preserve the piece. I think this fact negates the whole " moved with out the artist's permission" ect since it was going to be destroyed. After it was removed the first stop that was negotiated was the US Bank Building in downtown LA. Last I checked it was still there as it is a few blocks from me. I have never seen it at art Basel and I think you may be confusing it with a similar piece that Keszler has been trying to flog for years, they do look very similar and are massive( pic bellow ) As far as anything else with the prints ect I have no clue but they piece was saved from destruction. Yes, a bit odd to have it in a Bank but I think it circulating for people to see for free beats it being destroyed forever.
Gorkie, You are a long time member and I have a lot of respect for that fact. I've also appreciated many of your thoughtful posts here. If you think that I'm spreading incorrect information, by all means feel free to correct me. I certainly don't claim to have complete information. Here are the facts as I see them gleaned from publicly available sources: - Very desirable and quite expensive Banksy (Haight Street Rat) is removed from the streets without the consent of the artist - Like all works removed from the street, Banksy will not authenticate - Haight Street Rat reappears two years later for the first time at Basel Miami alongside two other illegally removed works which were offered for sale. I was told by an attendee that the Haight Street Rat was offered at $650,000 but admittedly I don't have any evidence to support this claim. - Haight Street Rat is made available -- for a fee -- to private institutions - Person in possession of the piece sites increasingly large offers that have been rejected for the work while it's in storage - At some point the 'Save the Banksy' campaign was created - 'Save the Banksy' does not appear to be a legal organization, therefor the proceeds are benefitting someone individually - Recreations of the work are offered online in a way that makes them appear as if they are sanctioned by the artist and to the uneducated collector actual Banksy prints With respect to your comment about the individual in possession of the Haight Street Rat making statements to the press about the refusal of large sums of money, I would assert that such claims almost exclusively benefit that individual and in no way benefit the public or street art movement as a whole. If the Save the Banksy campaign wants to do the right thing, I think it should be returned to the street because like all street art it was intended to remain on the street, regardless of consequences. Based upon the facts, I believe the most logical conclusion is that the 'Save the Banksy' campaign is parading this work around for there own benefit. Not sure about your sources for your information but this piece was attached to a structure that was scheduled to be demolished which is what spawned the "Save The Banksy" campaign. It was obviously going to take significant funds to remove and preserve the piece. I think this fact negates the whole " moved with out the artist's permission" ect since it was going to be destroyed. After it was removed the first stop that was negotiated was the US Bank Building in downtown LA. Last I checked it was still there as it is a few blocks from me. I have never seen it at art Basel and I think you may be confusing it with a similar piece that Keszler has been trying to flog for years, they do look very similar and are massive( pic bellow ) As far as anything else with the prints ect I have no clue but they piece was saved from destruction. Yes, a bit odd to have it in a Bank but I think it circulating for people to see for free beats it being destroyed forever.
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by kchay on Feb 22, 2016 3:28:02 GMT 1, A newspaper is my source: www.sfbg.com/2012/12/18/i-sell-rat
Gorkie, You are a long time member and I have a lot of respect for that fact. I've also appreciated many of your thoughtful posts here. If you think that I'm spreading incorrect information, by all means feel free to correct me. I certainly don't claim to have complete information. Here are the facts as I see them gleaned from publicly available sources: - Very desirable and quite expensive Banksy (Haight Street Rat) is removed from the streets without the consent of the artist - Like all works removed from the street, Banksy will not authenticate - Haight Street Rat reappears two years later for the first time at Basel Miami alongside two other illegally removed works which were offered for sale. I was told by an attendee that the Haight Street Rat was offered at $650,000 but admittedly I don't have any evidence to support this claim. - Haight Street Rat is made available -- for a fee -- to private institutions - Person in possession of the piece sites increasingly large offers that have been rejected for the work while it's in storage - At some point the 'Save the Banksy' campaign was created - 'Save the Banksy' does not appear to be a legal organization, therefor the proceeds are benefitting someone individually - Recreations of the work are offered online in a way that makes them appear as if they are sanctioned by the artist and to the uneducated collector actual Banksy prints With respect to your comment about the individual in possession of the Haight Street Rat making statements to the press about the refusal of large sums of money, I would assert that such claims almost exclusively benefit that individual and in no way benefit the public or street art movement as a whole. If the Save the Banksy campaign wants to do the right thing, I think it should be returned to the street because like all street art it was intended to remain on the street, regardless of consequences. Based upon the facts, I believe the most logical conclusion is that the 'Save the Banksy' campaign is parading this work around for there own benefit. Not sure about your sources for your information but this piece was attached to a structure that was scheduled to be demolished which is what spawned the "Save The Banksy" campaign. It was obviously going to take significant funds to remove and preserve the piece. I think this fact negates the whole " moved with out the artist's permission" ect since it was going to be destroyed. After it was removed the first stop that was negotiated was the US Bank Building in downtown LA. Last I checked it was still there as it is a few blocks from me. I have never seen it at art Basel and I think you may be confusing it with a similar piece that Keszler has been trying to flog for years, they do look very similar and are massive( pic bellow ) As far as anything else with the prints ect I have no clue but they piece was saved from destruction. Yes, a bit odd to have it in a Bank but I think it circulating for people to see for free beats it being destroyed forever.
A newspaper is my source: www.sfbg.com/2012/12/18/i-sell-ratGorkie, You are a long time member and I have a lot of respect for that fact. I've also appreciated many of your thoughtful posts here. If you think that I'm spreading incorrect information, by all means feel free to correct me. I certainly don't claim to have complete information. Here are the facts as I see them gleaned from publicly available sources: - Very desirable and quite expensive Banksy (Haight Street Rat) is removed from the streets without the consent of the artist - Like all works removed from the street, Banksy will not authenticate - Haight Street Rat reappears two years later for the first time at Basel Miami alongside two other illegally removed works which were offered for sale. I was told by an attendee that the Haight Street Rat was offered at $650,000 but admittedly I don't have any evidence to support this claim. - Haight Street Rat is made available -- for a fee -- to private institutions - Person in possession of the piece sites increasingly large offers that have been rejected for the work while it's in storage - At some point the 'Save the Banksy' campaign was created - 'Save the Banksy' does not appear to be a legal organization, therefor the proceeds are benefitting someone individually - Recreations of the work are offered online in a way that makes them appear as if they are sanctioned by the artist and to the uneducated collector actual Banksy prints With respect to your comment about the individual in possession of the Haight Street Rat making statements to the press about the refusal of large sums of money, I would assert that such claims almost exclusively benefit that individual and in no way benefit the public or street art movement as a whole. If the Save the Banksy campaign wants to do the right thing, I think it should be returned to the street because like all street art it was intended to remain on the street, regardless of consequences. Based upon the facts, I believe the most logical conclusion is that the 'Save the Banksy' campaign is parading this work around for there own benefit. Not sure about your sources for your information but this piece was attached to a structure that was scheduled to be demolished which is what spawned the "Save The Banksy" campaign. It was obviously going to take significant funds to remove and preserve the piece. I think this fact negates the whole " moved with out the artist's permission" ect since it was going to be destroyed. After it was removed the first stop that was negotiated was the US Bank Building in downtown LA. Last I checked it was still there as it is a few blocks from me. I have never seen it at art Basel and I think you may be confusing it with a similar piece that Keszler has been trying to flog for years, they do look very similar and are massive( pic bellow ) As far as anything else with the prints ect I have no clue but they piece was saved from destruction. Yes, a bit odd to have it in a Bank but I think it circulating for people to see for free beats it being destroyed forever.
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by Black Apple Art on Feb 22, 2016 3:41:47 GMT 1, A newspaper is my source: www.sfbg.com/2012/12/18/i-sell-ratNot sure about your sources for your information but this piece was attached to a structure that was scheduled to be demolished which is what spawned the "Save The Banksy" campaign. It was obviously going to take significant funds to remove and preserve the piece. I think this fact negates the whole " moved with out the artist's permission" ect since it was going to be destroyed. After it was removed the first stop that was negotiated was the US Bank Building in downtown LA. Last I checked it was still there as it is a few blocks from me. I have never seen it at art Basel and I think you may be confusing it with a similar piece that Keszler has been trying to flog for years, they do look very similar and are massive( pic bellow ) As far as anything else with the prints ect I have no clue but they piece was saved from destruction. Yes, a bit odd to have it in a Bank but I think it circulating for people to see for free beats it being destroyed forever. As I said, that is the Kezsler piece and NOT the piece taken from San Francisco that was rented to the US bank Building that the fund "Saved" - shown below
A newspaper is my source: www.sfbg.com/2012/12/18/i-sell-ratNot sure about your sources for your information but this piece was attached to a structure that was scheduled to be demolished which is what spawned the "Save The Banksy" campaign. It was obviously going to take significant funds to remove and preserve the piece. I think this fact negates the whole " moved with out the artist's permission" ect since it was going to be destroyed. After it was removed the first stop that was negotiated was the US Bank Building in downtown LA. Last I checked it was still there as it is a few blocks from me. I have never seen it at art Basel and I think you may be confusing it with a similar piece that Keszler has been trying to flog for years, they do look very similar and are massive( pic bellow ) As far as anything else with the prints ect I have no clue but they piece was saved from destruction. Yes, a bit odd to have it in a Bank but I think it circulating for people to see for free beats it being destroyed forever. As I said, that is the Kezsler piece and NOT the piece taken from San Francisco that was rented to the US bank Building that the fund "Saved" - shown below
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by kchay on Feb 22, 2016 4:30:26 GMT 1, Banksy's statement from the unauthorized London show is pretty telling, "disgusting people are allowed to go displaying art on walls without getting permission". If you are able to demonstrate your claim that Banksy supports this effort, than obviously this discussion is over.
However the preponderance of evidence to this point seems to support that the Haight Street Rat is being used for personal gain. I would offer Basel Miami, print sales, t-shirt sales, elevated personal status resulting from possession of the piece, and finally the yet to be released documentary, as support for this conclusion.
I'm sorry but I simply don't see any evidence in the pure intentions you assert.
Also, am I the only one who finds humor in the fact that an anti-capitalist Banksy rat was put in the tallest bank building in California 'to be saved'?
Read it for yourself:
nypost.com/2012/12/04/banksy-shot/
www.laweekly.com/arts/banksys-haight-street-rat-at-the-us-bank-tower-this-is-where-i-draw-the-line-5110530
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11121612/Banksys-Haight-Street-Rat-mural-moves-to-US-bank-lobby.html
The facts are pretty simple- -The city of San Francisco was forcing the building owner to paint over the work because they do not allow street art and consider it to be "visual pollution". -The work was purchased from the building owner so that it could be saved for generations to come to be able to see. -The work has never been offered for sale. -There is no profit being made off of the work. -Those prints of the work were part of the Kickstarter rewards to raise money. They were never presented to be an official Banksy print. People who supported the project knew exactly what they were and what they are not. -Those institutions who have agreed to show the work have not paid money to do so. -Ben Eine, Doze Green and Banksy have all been supportive of what has been done to save the work. -If you have any questions or concerns feel free to email savingbanksy@gmail.com Take care
Banksy's statement from the unauthorized London show is pretty telling, "disgusting people are allowed to go displaying art on walls without getting permission". If you are able to demonstrate your claim that Banksy supports this effort, than obviously this discussion is over. However the preponderance of evidence to this point seems to support that the Haight Street Rat is being used for personal gain. I would offer Basel Miami, print sales, t-shirt sales, elevated personal status resulting from possession of the piece, and finally the yet to be released documentary, as support for this conclusion. I'm sorry but I simply don't see any evidence in the pure intentions you assert. Also, am I the only one who finds humor in the fact that an anti-capitalist Banksy rat was put in the tallest bank building in California 'to be saved'? Read it for yourself: nypost.com/2012/12/04/banksy-shot/www.laweekly.com/arts/banksys-haight-street-rat-at-the-us-bank-tower-this-is-where-i-draw-the-line-5110530www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11121612/Banksys-Haight-Street-Rat-mural-moves-to-US-bank-lobby.htmlThe facts are pretty simple- -The city of San Francisco was forcing the building owner to paint over the work because they do not allow street art and consider it to be "visual pollution". -The work was purchased from the building owner so that it could be saved for generations to come to be able to see. -The work has never been offered for sale. -There is no profit being made off of the work. -Those prints of the work were part of the Kickstarter rewards to raise money. They were never presented to be an official Banksy print. People who supported the project knew exactly what they were and what they are not. -Those institutions who have agreed to show the work have not paid money to do so. -Ben Eine, Doze Green and Banksy have all been supportive of what has been done to save the work. -If you have any questions or concerns feel free to email savingbanksy@gmail.com Take care
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by kchay on Feb 22, 2016 4:39:33 GMT 1, That article was confusing, it was discussing one piece but displaying another. My apologies. There were 5 works removed from the streets at the same show that year in Basel. See below.
nypost.com/2012/12/04/banksy-shot/
arrestedmotion.com/2012/12/openings-banksy-out-of-context-context-art-miami/
It's even on the Keszler Gallery website with all of the other Banksy works that were removed and sold - www.keszlergallery.com/
As I said, that is the Kezsler piece and NOT the piece taken from San Francisco that was rented to the US bank Building that the fund "Saved" - shown below
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by gorkie on Feb 22, 2016 6:03:40 GMT 1, I love Banksy's work, but if that quote you wrote is really his that is the most ridiculous he could have ever said.
"Disgusting people are allowed to go displaying art on walls without getting permission."
Did he really say that?
That's pretty hilarious considering putting up art on walls without getting permission is exactly what he does on the street.
I think I'm checking out of this discussion. It can carry on without me if you so choose. Cheers.
I love Banksy's work, but if that quote you wrote is really his that is the most ridiculous he could have ever said.
"Disgusting people are allowed to go displaying art on walls without getting permission."
Did he really say that?
That's pretty hilarious considering putting up art on walls without getting permission is exactly what he does on the street.
I think I'm checking out of this discussion. It can carry on without me if you so choose. Cheers.
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by Whitefish on Feb 22, 2016 7:26:16 GMT 1, I have dealt with Brian Greif in the past, he is legit. Also a really nice guy!
I have dealt with Brian Greif in the past, he is legit. Also a really nice guy!
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 8:37:37 GMT 1, I love Banksy's work, but if that quote you wrote is really his that is the most ridiculous he could have ever said. "Disgusting people are allowed to go displaying art on walls without getting permission." Did he really say that? That's pretty hilarious considering putting up art on walls without getting permission is exactly what he does on the street. I think I'm checking out of this discussion. It can carry on without me if you so choose. Cheers. Nip this fkr in the bud lol.
Are you referring to the statement was on site during the Sincura gig, last para obvs. tongue in cheek.
www.thestar.com.my/lifestyle/entertainment/arts/frame-up/2014/04/29/banksy-disses-unauthorised-london-auction-of-his-graffiti-art/
I love Banksy's work, but if that quote you wrote is really his that is the most ridiculous he could have ever said. "Disgusting people are allowed to go displaying art on walls without getting permission." Did he really say that? That's pretty hilarious considering putting up art on walls without getting permission is exactly what he does on the street. I think I'm checking out of this discussion. It can carry on without me if you so choose. Cheers. Nip this fkr in the bud lol. Are you referring to the statement was on site during the Sincura gig, last para obvs. tongue in cheek. www.thestar.com.my/lifestyle/entertainment/arts/frame-up/2014/04/29/banksy-disses-unauthorised-london-auction-of-his-graffiti-art/
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by Harveyn on Feb 22, 2016 11:44:31 GMT 1, Yes clearly tongue in cheek from Mr B.
Yes clearly tongue in cheek from Mr B.
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Whitefish
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by Whitefish on Feb 22, 2016 16:03:33 GMT 1, This is about the documentary that is about to be released, right? That was the only reason for my comment above... /posts/1264932
www.savingbanksy.com
This is about the documentary that is about to be released, right? That was the only reason for my comment above... /posts/1264932 www.savingbanksy.com
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by dotguy on Feb 22, 2016 18:26:37 GMT 1, I have been asked to come on here by several members to "set the record straight" - here's the deal. I am the guy who took the Haight Street Rat down. I did it as part of a documentary film project on the importance of street art and in an effort to get the public to value street art.
Here are the facts.
- The Rat would have been painted over if we had not saved it. - The city ordered the building owner to paint over the Rat or be fined - The Rat is not for sale.. Never been for sale.. Will never be sold. I have been offered over $700,000 for the painting, but have refused all offers. - We did show the Rat at Keszler's "Banksy Out of Context" exhibit in Miami in 2012.. we did this as a critical part of the documentary.. we did this with the counsel and approval of prominent street artists and Banksy contacts - A photo of the Rat in Miami is on Keszler's website, but he does not own it nor does he have possession of it. I believe the photo is meant to show the Miami exhibit. - We have made the Rat available to venues who want to showcase street art to the public. We have two requirements for all exhibits. They must be free and open to the public. We must be allowed to curate the exhibit to showcase the value and importance of street art and graffiti. - We have not made ANY money off the Rat. Venues pay only for shipping, installation and insurance. The exhibits, the kickstarter, etc., have all helped pay ONLY for restoring and exhibiting the Rat. We have made NO profit from "Save The Banksy". - We did this for a variety of reasons.. one was to generate discussion.. We love the discussion about "Should he have done it" etc., but please end the "speculation" about whether this is for sale or if I am personally profiting from it. I am not.
If you question my intentions.. consider the list of street artists and graffiti writers involved in this project - the film - the exhibits and the removal. Ben Eine, Risk, Niels Muelman, Anthony Lister, Blek Le Rat, Revok.. just to name a few. If my intentions were bad.. If I was trying to sell this or profit from this.. Do you honestly think Ben Eine and Risk would be helping?
For all the info on the project go to the website SavetheBanksy.com
The movie will be released in about four months.. until then.. discuss away.. but please end the speculation.
Best regards Brian Greif
I have been asked to come on here by several members to "set the record straight" - here's the deal. I am the guy who took the Haight Street Rat down. I did it as part of a documentary film project on the importance of street art and in an effort to get the public to value street art.
Here are the facts.
- The Rat would have been painted over if we had not saved it. - The city ordered the building owner to paint over the Rat or be fined - The Rat is not for sale.. Never been for sale.. Will never be sold. I have been offered over $700,000 for the painting, but have refused all offers. - We did show the Rat at Keszler's "Banksy Out of Context" exhibit in Miami in 2012.. we did this as a critical part of the documentary.. we did this with the counsel and approval of prominent street artists and Banksy contacts - A photo of the Rat in Miami is on Keszler's website, but he does not own it nor does he have possession of it. I believe the photo is meant to show the Miami exhibit. - We have made the Rat available to venues who want to showcase street art to the public. We have two requirements for all exhibits. They must be free and open to the public. We must be allowed to curate the exhibit to showcase the value and importance of street art and graffiti. - We have not made ANY money off the Rat. Venues pay only for shipping, installation and insurance. The exhibits, the kickstarter, etc., have all helped pay ONLY for restoring and exhibiting the Rat. We have made NO profit from "Save The Banksy". - We did this for a variety of reasons.. one was to generate discussion.. We love the discussion about "Should he have done it" etc., but please end the "speculation" about whether this is for sale or if I am personally profiting from it. I am not.
If you question my intentions.. consider the list of street artists and graffiti writers involved in this project - the film - the exhibits and the removal. Ben Eine, Risk, Niels Muelman, Anthony Lister, Blek Le Rat, Revok.. just to name a few. If my intentions were bad.. If I was trying to sell this or profit from this.. Do you honestly think Ben Eine and Risk would be helping?
For all the info on the project go to the website SavetheBanksy.com
The movie will be released in about four months.. until then.. discuss away.. but please end the speculation.
Best regards Brian Greif
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by 11 on Feb 22, 2016 18:36:48 GMT 1, Did Banksy give his authorisation? Its not for sale at he moment, but that rat was part of big wall once too - things change, and quickly. What is happening with the proceeds from the movie ? Will you donate the piece to a museum once the movie and all 'PR' events are done with ?
It doesn't matter what you say - it being painted over is a better fate than it being hawked around at the latest investment bankers black-tie dinner just as a bit of wall candy for the well to do
Did Banksy give his authorisation? Its not for sale at he moment, but that rat was part of big wall once too - things change, and quickly. What is happening with the proceeds from the movie ? Will you donate the piece to a museum once the movie and all 'PR' events are done with ?
It doesn't matter what you say - it being painted over is a better fate than it being hawked around at the latest investment bankers black-tie dinner just as a bit of wall candy for the well to do
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by gorkie on Feb 23, 2016 0:04:21 GMT 1, Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one.
Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one.
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by dotguy on Feb 23, 2016 0:27:57 GMT 1, Since you obviously won't take my word.. how about direct quotes from these artists about the "Save The Banksy" project.
This guy took this piece and he’s holding out for the museum and someone offered him seven hundred grand and he didn’t take it because he thinks he’s going to get a museum to take it later. Good for him! If he’s really not doing it for the profit, and wants it in a museum and believes that strongly about it, I think he is doing the right thing because eventually it will gain traction, and it will get in to a museum. Its part of history we’re gonna talk about "remember when people were taking all of our pieces and putting them in museums, and we didn’t want them there?" It’s going to be this period of work that’s you know "work that’s out of context" It’s gonna be all this work that’s like, "what period was that from? Oh that’s the work that wasn’t supposed to be in a museum." So it's all relative and all good. RISK
I don’t know.. right now, today, I wouldn’t want one of my paintings preserved. in a 100-years time, when I am dead and none of them exist.. I would love to have one of my paintings preserved. it’s a double edged sword. If there is a moral to this story, it’s for once greed didn’t win. The good guys won. It’s there, it’s preserved. it will turn up in a museum and it’s not going to hang in someones house in the Hamptons. Yeah the good guys won this time. In 50-years time everyone will be grateful. - Ben Eine
Well, it says something about this person and their agenda they’re obviously not just trying to capitalize off the hype and phenomena that is Banksy mania. If I painted a billboard and somebody removed the billboard and donated it to a museum or just held onto it in an attempt to save and protect it, like I would be stoked because it's going to go one way or the other but for to be protected and then take on entirely new life and last even if it's in a different context just keeping it for historical sake, or whatever, then yeah that's rad and I would be super into that and obviously that's this person's agenda cares about the work, he’s just trying to protect and trying to ensure that it lasts and can continue to last so other people can experience a different context yeah that's cool. This dudes obviously not just somebody who’s is trying to you know flip it and capitalize off it to make a quick buck. - REVOK
Debate all you want.. that's the idea of this project.. but don't question my intentions or sincerity. Do you honestly think I would have the support of so many street artists? Including some of Banksys friends like Ben Eine?
Drops Microphone and walks off stage.. Peace
Since you obviously won't take my word.. how about direct quotes from these artists about the "Save The Banksy" project. This guy took this piece and he’s holding out for the museum and someone offered him seven hundred grand and he didn’t take it because he thinks he’s going to get a museum to take it later. Good for him! If he’s really not doing it for the profit, and wants it in a museum and believes that strongly about it, I think he is doing the right thing because eventually it will gain traction, and it will get in to a museum. Its part of history we’re gonna talk about "remember when people were taking all of our pieces and putting them in museums, and we didn’t want them there?" It’s going to be this period of work that’s you know "work that’s out of context" It’s gonna be all this work that’s like, "what period was that from? Oh that’s the work that wasn’t supposed to be in a museum." So it's all relative and all good. RISKI don’t know.. right now, today, I wouldn’t want one of my paintings preserved. in a 100-years time, when I am dead and none of them exist.. I would love to have one of my paintings preserved. it’s a double edged sword. If there is a moral to this story, it’s for once greed didn’t win. The good guys won. It’s there, it’s preserved. it will turn up in a museum and it’s not going to hang in someones house in the Hamptons. Yeah the good guys won this time. In 50-years time everyone will be grateful. - Ben EineWell, it says something about this person and their agenda they’re obviously not just trying to capitalize off the hype and phenomena that is Banksy mania. If I painted a billboard and somebody removed the billboard and donated it to a museum or just held onto it in an attempt to save and protect it, like I would be stoked because it's going to go one way or the other but for to be protected and then take on entirely new life and last even if it's in a different context just keeping it for historical sake, or whatever, then yeah that's rad and I would be super into that and obviously that's this person's agenda cares about the work, he’s just trying to protect and trying to ensure that it lasts and can continue to last so other people can experience a different context yeah that's cool. This dudes obviously not just somebody who’s is trying to you know flip it and capitalize off it to make a quick buck. - REVOKDebate all you want.. that's the idea of this project.. but don't question my intentions or sincerity. Do you honestly think I would have the support of so many street artists? Including some of Banksys friends like Ben Eine? Drops Microphone and walks off stage.. Peace
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 10:13:49 GMT 1, Good 'Greif'...
Good 'Greif'...
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by kchay on Feb 24, 2016 4:30:41 GMT 1, Brain, I'm really glad your here and able to speak for yourself about your Save the Banksy campaign. When I saw the reproduction print you created and were selling online for $500 with Banksy + COA, I was ignorant of the rabbit hole I was going down.
I can certainly see the generational value in preserving a work of art like this for the benefit of the public good but as you are aware it also sets a very dangerous precedent. You removed an extremely valuable piece of artwork from it's context in the streets and currently have possession of it. In short your actions are Thomas Crown but your words are Robin hood.
Obviously this story is not over you are the only person who knows your true intent.
For me, I think it would really help to clear things up if you were able to provide answers to a few quick questions: - Are you planning to donate or sell the work to a museum at the conclusion of the campaign and what is the timeline for that transfer? - Can you support the claim that Banksy has endorsed your efforts & campaign methods for saving the work? - Do you think other works should be saved from the streets and do you have any plans to do so? Thank you in advance.
Brain, I'm really glad your here and able to speak for yourself about your Save the Banksy campaign. When I saw the reproduction print you created and were selling online for $500 with Banksy + COA, I was ignorant of the rabbit hole I was going down.
I can certainly see the generational value in preserving a work of art like this for the benefit of the public good but as you are aware it also sets a very dangerous precedent. You removed an extremely valuable piece of artwork from it's context in the streets and currently have possession of it. In short your actions are Thomas Crown but your words are Robin hood.
Obviously this story is not over you are the only person who knows your true intent.
For me, I think it would really help to clear things up if you were able to provide answers to a few quick questions: - Are you planning to donate or sell the work to a museum at the conclusion of the campaign and what is the timeline for that transfer? - Can you support the claim that Banksy has endorsed your efforts & campaign methods for saving the work? - Do you think other works should be saved from the streets and do you have any plans to do so? Thank you in advance.
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by dotguy on Feb 24, 2016 16:29:34 GMT 1, We are planning to donate it to a museum. I had discussions with a museum in California last month. Museum curators are interested, but when it gets to the "advisory board" level, it is dismissed as "not art" - that is a major point in the documentary.
We we decided to put the piece "on tour" while we continue to find a permanent public home for it. We do not make any money from the tour. Exhibits are all free to the public.
Yes, I believe some street art should be preserved. Even the artists now are rethinking the "temporary" thing. The accepted the idea that it was "temporary" because for decades few people valued it as art, so it was destroyed. If you talk to the artists, their preference is that their work stay up "as long as possible". They don't want it destroyed. They have simply "accepted" it over time.
As for the posters, we had an artist do a version of the Rat as a logo to promote the campaign and raise money for the restoration. We sold T-shirts and a few posters through Kickstarter. We were asked by donors to provide some for of COA for the posters. The fact that the posters we gave to people for contributing to the campaign ended up at some "auction" is out of our control and not endorsed in any way by us. BTW the poster did not sell. The KickStarter netted about $8,000 - restoration cost $12,000 - I personally paid the deficit. To date I have personally invested over $50,000 in this project and have not received a dime.
As for our Banksy contact.. We have worked through artists like Ben Eine and a couple of other close Banksy contacts to make sure we were doing the right thing. Banksys reps have seen early versions of the film and video. We have nothing but positive feedback from the artists and people associated with Banksys circle.
We are planning to donate it to a museum. I had discussions with a museum in California last month. Museum curators are interested, but when it gets to the "advisory board" level, it is dismissed as "not art" - that is a major point in the documentary.
We we decided to put the piece "on tour" while we continue to find a permanent public home for it. We do not make any money from the tour. Exhibits are all free to the public.
Yes, I believe some street art should be preserved. Even the artists now are rethinking the "temporary" thing. The accepted the idea that it was "temporary" because for decades few people valued it as art, so it was destroyed. If you talk to the artists, their preference is that their work stay up "as long as possible". They don't want it destroyed. They have simply "accepted" it over time.
As for the posters, we had an artist do a version of the Rat as a logo to promote the campaign and raise money for the restoration. We sold T-shirts and a few posters through Kickstarter. We were asked by donors to provide some for of COA for the posters. The fact that the posters we gave to people for contributing to the campaign ended up at some "auction" is out of our control and not endorsed in any way by us. BTW the poster did not sell. The KickStarter netted about $8,000 - restoration cost $12,000 - I personally paid the deficit. To date I have personally invested over $50,000 in this project and have not received a dime.
As for our Banksy contact.. We have worked through artists like Ben Eine and a couple of other close Banksy contacts to make sure we were doing the right thing. Banksys reps have seen early versions of the film and video. We have nothing but positive feedback from the artists and people associated with Banksys circle.
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 21:46:39 GMT 1, 'Banksys circle'.
lol.
'Banksys circle'.
lol.
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Save the Banksy Campaign, by Feral Things on Feb 24, 2016 22:12:49 GMT 1, I think this is my favourite of Banksy's circles but I'm more of a triangle man myself:
I think this is my favourite of Banksy's circles but I'm more of a triangle man myself:
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