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America and guns.........again !!!, by Daniel Silk on Jun 13, 2016 18:54:14 GMT 1, Wish i hadn't started this thread now, it was my title that set it off.............. 
Wish i hadn't started this thread now, it was my title that set it off.............. YOU have a lot of power on this forum, you need to use it more wisely |
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America and guns.........again !!!, by Coach on Jun 13, 2016 18:58:21 GMT 1, I heard on the radio today that Congress blocked a law to prevent people on a terror watch list from buying guns including assault riffles.
Is that right?
If true, it kind of begs the question why have a watch list.
I heard on the radio today that Congress blocked a law to prevent people on a terror watch list from buying guns including assault riffles.
Is that right?
If true, it kind of begs the question why have a watch list.
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America and guns.........again !!!, by Happy Shopper on Jun 13, 2016 19:12:41 GMT 1, I heard on the radio today that Congress blocked a law to prevent people on a terror watch list from buying guns including assault riffles. Is that right? Kind of begs the question why have a watch list.
"Thought crime" doesn't exist... Yet. (They're working on it)
I heard on the radio today that Congress blocked a law to prevent people on a terror watch list from buying guns including assault riffles. Is that right? Kind of begs the question why have a watch list. "Thought crime" doesn't exist... Yet. (They're working on it) |
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America and guns.........again !!!, by Coach on Jun 13, 2016 19:15:04 GMT 1, I heard on the radio today that Congress blocked a law to prevent people on a terror watch list from buying guns including assault riffles. Is that right? Kind of begs the question why have a watch list. "Thought crime" doesn't exist... Yet. (They're working on it)
Ah, yes, hadn't thought of that. I can see where you are coming from. Thanks.
Is that why it was blocked? Or was it blocked because it would be unconstitutional?
I heard on the radio today that Congress blocked a law to prevent people on a terror watch list from buying guns including assault riffles. Is that right? Kind of begs the question why have a watch list. "Thought crime" doesn't exist... Yet. (They're working on it) Ah, yes, hadn't thought of that. I can see where you are coming from. Thanks. Is that why it was blocked? Or was it blocked because it would be unconstitutional? |
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America and guns.........again !!!, by NYart on Jun 13, 2016 19:32:24 GMT 1, "Thought crime" doesn't exist... Yet. (They're working on it) Ah, yes, hadn't thought of that. I can see where you are coming from. Thanks. Is that why it was blocked? Or was it blocked because it would be unconstitutional?
The problem with that would be how does one get added to the terrorist watch list? Is it an arbitrary process that could be abused to keep guns out of those who are critical of the government or..? I've read an article about a professor from Columbia who was added to the no fly list because of a televised lecture critical of GW Bush.
"Thought crime" doesn't exist... Yet. (They're working on it) Ah, yes, hadn't thought of that. I can see where you are coming from. Thanks. Is that why it was blocked? Or was it blocked because it would be unconstitutional? The problem with that would be how does one get added to the terrorist watch list? Is it an arbitrary process that could be abused to keep guns out of those who are critical of the government or..? I've read an article about a professor from Columbia who was added to the no fly list because of a televised lecture critical of GW Bush. |
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America and guns.........again !!!, by NYart on Jun 13, 2016 19:46:29 GMT 1, That is the most f**ked up twisting of "facts" I've ever read! Hilarious!! Saying you're not so bad as some pretty dangerous other countries is not a solution  Australia is the perfect example. Used to have a similar problem. Banned guns. Problem got better. It's really simple. And the number of people who saved themselves from an attack with their own gun... Hardly ever happens. Sorry.
Hardly ever happens? Try daily. They just don't make headlines because it doesn't fit the agenda. Follow the news links before you claim bias, the articles don't originate from the NRA.
www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen/
But while i can't argue that a comparison between the US and a third world country isn't ideal, neither is us and Europe. Economic factors are the only thing in common, and that's not the only cause of violence.
That is the most f**ked up twisting of "facts" I've ever read! Hilarious!! Saying you're not so bad as some pretty dangerous other countries is not a solution Australia is the perfect example. Used to have a similar problem. Banned guns. Problem got better. It's really simple. And the number of people who saved themselves from an attack with their own gun... Hardly ever happens. Sorry. Hardly ever happens? Try daily. They just don't make headlines because it doesn't fit the agenda. Follow the news links before you claim bias, the articles don't originate from the NRA. www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen/But while i can't argue that a comparison between the US and a third world country isn't ideal, neither is us and Europe. Economic factors are the only thing in common, and that's not the only cause of violence. |
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America and guns.........again !!!, by Happy Shopper on Jun 13, 2016 19:49:29 GMT 1, "Thought crime" doesn't exist... Yet. (They're working on it) Ah, yes, hadn't thought of that. I can see where you are coming from. Thanks. Is that why it was blocked? Or was it blocked because it would be unconstitutional?
I've no idea, but I have a feeling if people are on a watch list they should be watched until they do something they can actually be charged with.
Unfortunately, as buying a gun in America is totally legal, that adds a whole extra level of difficulty.
At least in Europe if someone attempts to get a gun you KNOW they're up to something!
"Thought crime" doesn't exist... Yet. (They're working on it) Ah, yes, hadn't thought of that. I can see where you are coming from. Thanks. Is that why it was blocked? Or was it blocked because it would be unconstitutional? I've no idea, but I have a feeling if people are on a watch list they should be watched until they do something they can actually be charged with. Unfortunately, as buying a gun in America is totally legal, that adds a whole extra level of difficulty. At least in Europe if someone attempts to get a gun you KNOW they're up to something! |
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America and guns.........again !!!, by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 19:55:19 GMT 1, That is the most f**ked up twisting of "facts" I've ever read! Hilarious!! Saying you're not so bad as some pretty dangerous other countries is not a solution Australia is the perfect example. Used to have a similar problem. Banned guns. Problem got better. It's really simple. And the number of people who saved themselves from an attack with their own gun... Hardly ever happens. Sorry.
This is funny as.. rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ludwig_von_Mises_Institute
That is the most f**ked up twisting of "facts" I've ever read! Hilarious!! Saying you're not so bad as some pretty dangerous other countries is not a solution Australia is the perfect example. Used to have a similar problem. Banned guns. Problem got better. It's really simple. And the number of people who saved themselves from an attack with their own gun... Hardly ever happens. Sorry. It's another arch right wing libertarian source, often cited as a racist organisation that funds the NRA and supports confederate seccession whilst actively lobbying against democratic principles such as healthcare and welfare. Awful anarcho capitalist Ayn Rand loving organisation. This is funny as.. rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ludwig_von_Mises_Institute |
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America and guns.........again !!!, by Cornish Crayon on Jun 13, 2016 19:58:43 GMT 1, Wish i hadn't started this thread now, it was my title that set it off.............. YOU have a lot of power on this forum, you need to use it more wisely
Really !!!? Is that the power that gives me absolutely none ?
Wish i hadn't started this thread now, it was my title that set it off.............. YOU have a lot of power on this forum, you need to use it more wisely Really !!!? Is that the power that gives me absolutely none ? |
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America and guns.........again !!!, by Daniel Silk on Jun 13, 2016 20:11:54 GMT 1, YOU have a lot of power on this forum, you need to use it more wisely Really !!!? Is that the power that gives me absolutely none ?
Sorry, I don't understand  what is it you wanted?
YOU have a lot of power on this forum, you need to use it more wisely Really !!!? Is that the power that gives me absolutely none ? Sorry, I don't understand what is it you wanted? |
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America and guns.........again !!!, by d.r. perseus on Jun 13, 2016 20:22:39 GMT 1, Trump wants to regulate people (Muslims) as do his base (GOP), but you all are too cowardly to call for regulation of guns? Cognitive dissonance, by definition. Well you didn't address any of my points, just took a shot at a presidental candidate and insulted Americans in general but sure I'll bite. Regulating Muslims clearly isn't a solution, and while I will be voting for Trump I do not support it, and in the context of Muslims as a whole very few people do GOP or not. However when it comes to those coming from war zones like Syria, Iraq or any other country with active terrorist groups I do believe it's only common sense to scrutinize them further. Considering those claiming refugee status in Europe have already carried out attacks its not hard to think it's likely to happen again. It's unfortunate the minority of the refugees are casting a suspicion over them as a whole but can you blame the government for prioritizing its citizens safety first? To your second point, can you show me an example of someone choosing not to "call for regulation out of cowardice"? Many of us do not want it. A good guy with a gun can save as many lives as a maniac with a gun can take. The only difference being good guy won't have a gun when they're "regulated", if someone intends on going on a rampage violating a gun law is rather insignificant.
As a fellow american, I can see your same ol talking points. I don't live in fear.
Trump wants to regulate people (Muslims) as do his base (GOP), but you all are too cowardly to call for regulation of guns? Cognitive dissonance, by definition. Well you didn't address any of my points, just took a shot at a presidental candidate and insulted Americans in general but sure I'll bite. Regulating Muslims clearly isn't a solution, and while I will be voting for Trump I do not support it, and in the context of Muslims as a whole very few people do GOP or not. However when it comes to those coming from war zones like Syria, Iraq or any other country with active terrorist groups I do believe it's only common sense to scrutinize them further. Considering those claiming refugee status in Europe have already carried out attacks its not hard to think it's likely to happen again. It's unfortunate the minority of the refugees are casting a suspicion over them as a whole but can you blame the government for prioritizing its citizens safety first? To your second point, can you show me an example of someone choosing not to "call for regulation out of cowardice"? Many of us do not want it. A good guy with a gun can save as many lives as a maniac with a gun can take. The only difference being good guy won't have a gun when they're "regulated", if someone intends on going on a rampage violating a gun law is rather insignificant. As a fellow american, I can see your same ol talking points. I don't live in fear. |
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America and guns.........again !!!, by eschiff on Jun 13, 2016 20:28:47 GMT 1, One thing I can't figure out, having listened to all the discussion, is if allowing the citizens of a nation to carry weapons is designed to decrease the incidence of attack and murder by instilling a sense of fear into the perpetrator by the prospect of the potential victim being armed themselves, then how come this isn't happening in a country that has more guns than citizens? And how, if we extrapolate and work things to their natural conclusion, will increasing the availability of guns make the problem anything other than much worse. For every single gun atrocity in the UK or Paris, there are hundreds in the USA. And I mean hundreds. It's surely not a defence of gun laws to say 'it happened in Paris'. It happens everywhere. Twice in Paris. Recently in Australia. It's happened four times that I can remember in my lifetime in the UK - Bloody Sunday in Northern Ireland (which was a military incident, so not relevant to figures and stats on civilian gun laws, however horrific), Hungerford, Dunblane and Cumbria. So we've established that... yes, even in a country where gun laws are tight and ownership is restricted, it is possible to massacre people. Everyone accepts that. What I don't understand is how anyone can't see that easy access to weapons increases the likelihood of massacres happening. Actually, I'll change that. It guarantees the likelihood of massacres happening. I am at a loss as to why anyone would choose not to seek change from within a society that actively ensures its laws make mass slaughter easier to perpetrate within its borders. A moment of thought too, for all those people affected by the tragedy. We have a LGBT club not too far from my village. It's 'Pink Punters' in Bletchley. And it's immaculately run. My daughters (both straight) go there, with their friends - male and female - from University and school. My mates go there. I'm a burly old rugby player. I go there. It's welcoming, fun and not a moment's trouble. We should all mourn an attack on our friends in this community, for it truly is an attack on us all.
Hubble Bubble can't believe to see a Pink Punter reference. I went to Cranfield a couple years back and we used to go there on the odd night, great place for sure.
One thing I can't figure out, having listened to all the discussion, is if allowing the citizens of a nation to carry weapons is designed to decrease the incidence of attack and murder by instilling a sense of fear into the perpetrator by the prospect of the potential victim being armed themselves, then how come this isn't happening in a country that has more guns than citizens? And how, if we extrapolate and work things to their natural conclusion, will increasing the availability of guns make the problem anything other than much worse. For every single gun atrocity in the UK or Paris, there are hundreds in the USA. And I mean hundreds. It's surely not a defence of gun laws to say 'it happened in Paris'. It happens everywhere. Twice in Paris. Recently in Australia. It's happened four times that I can remember in my lifetime in the UK - Bloody Sunday in Northern Ireland (which was a military incident, so not relevant to figures and stats on civilian gun laws, however horrific), Hungerford, Dunblane and Cumbria. So we've established that... yes, even in a country where gun laws are tight and ownership is restricted, it is possible to massacre people. Everyone accepts that. What I don't understand is how anyone can't see that easy access to weapons increases the likelihood of massacres happening. Actually, I'll change that. It guarantees the likelihood of massacres happening. I am at a loss as to why anyone would choose not to seek change from within a society that actively ensures its laws make mass slaughter easier to perpetrate within its borders. A moment of thought too, for all those people affected by the tragedy. We have a LGBT club not too far from my village. It's 'Pink Punters' in Bletchley. And it's immaculately run. My daughters (both straight) go there, with their friends - male and female - from University and school. My mates go there. I'm a burly old rugby player. I go there. It's welcoming, fun and not a moment's trouble. We should all mourn an attack on our friends in this community, for it truly is an attack on us all. can't believe to see a Pink Punter reference. I went to Cranfield a couple years back and we used to go there on the odd night, great place for sure. |
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America and guns.........again !!!, by Wearology on Jun 13, 2016 21:10:27 GMT 1, I never thought I would be having a political conversation on an art forum but since most of our members are not from the US maybe I can lend some clarity to the situation. Guns in America is like soccer / futbol in Europe. Americans don't understand how world class athletes that look like barbie dolls can flop on the ground and cry for fouls while grown men travel with the team so they can beat up their fellow countrymen in the stands because they root for a different team than them. The rest of the world can't understand why the US citizenry is concerned that their own government may try to take over their own country just like they have done in many other places around the globe. I personally don't own a gun and actually hate them but I can tell you that guns are a way of life in the US and if anyone tries to take away peoples guns it will be a civil war in the US and as they say if America sneezes the rest of the world catches a cold.
I never thought I would be having a political conversation on an art forum but since most of our members are not from the US maybe I can lend some clarity to the situation. Guns in America is like soccer / futbol in Europe. Americans don't understand how world class athletes that look like barbie dolls can flop on the ground and cry for fouls while grown men travel with the team so they can beat up their fellow countrymen in the stands because they root for a different team than them. The rest of the world can't understand why the US citizenry is concerned that their own government may try to take over their own country just like they have done in many other places around the globe. I personally don't own a gun and actually hate them but I can tell you that guns are a way of life in the US and if anyone tries to take away peoples guns it will be a civil war in the US and as they say if America sneezes the rest of the world catches a cold.
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America and guns.........again !!!, by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 21:21:26 GMT 1, It's catch 22. The gun lobby is powerful and people who are on the fringes or mentally ill depressed or desperate can get hold of guns too easily.
I don't know about the US but UK and Europe hate preachers often get away with spreading their bile in the name of religion. Whilst living off social security.
It's catch 22. The gun lobby is powerful and people who are on the fringes or mentally ill depressed or desperate can get hold of guns too easily.
I don't know about the US but UK and Europe hate preachers often get away with spreading their bile in the name of religion. Whilst living off social security.
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America and guns.........again !!!, by nex on Jun 13, 2016 21:47:20 GMT 1, No ones saying don't buy your blessed guns, just put in place background checks and maybe just question the need to buy weapons that pump hundreds of bullets out in a second. Whilst you're at it invest in your social care system so disaffected American youths feel they have a productive place in the world (that last point can be said for most of the western world).
I didn't understand trumps logic about controlling immigration too, when this horrific act was homegrown?
No ones saying don't buy your blessed guns, just put in place background checks and maybe just question the need to buy weapons that pump hundreds of bullets out in a second. Whilst you're at it invest in your social care system so disaffected American youths feel they have a productive place in the world (that last point can be said for most of the western world).
I didn't understand trumps logic about controlling immigration too, when this horrific act was homegrown?
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America and guns.........again !!!, by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 21:56:17 GMT 1, The truth is politicians make speeches and not one of them in the US and in Europe has a clue what to do about it. All the rhetoric after the Paris attack by politicians in Europe and heightened state of security etc was just rhetoric to make the population feel safe and believe that the government had upped security. In reality it's all just talk and no one safer after the attacks than before.
The truth is politicians make speeches and not one of them in the US and in Europe has a clue what to do about it. All the rhetoric after the Paris attack by politicians in Europe and heightened state of security etc was just rhetoric to make the population feel safe and believe that the government had upped security. In reality it's all just talk and no one safer after the attacks than before.
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America and guns.........again !!!, by mutatis on Jun 13, 2016 22:53:16 GMT 1, Ah, yes, hadn't thought of that. I can see where you are coming from. Thanks. Is that why it was blocked? Or was it blocked because it would be unconstitutional? The problem with that would be how does one get added to the terrorist watch list? Is it an arbitrary process that could be abused to keep guns out of those who are critical of the government or..? I've read an article about a professor from Columbia who was added to the no fly list because of a televised lecture critical of GW Bush.
Gun control is overly politicised. The Democrats were highly critical of Bush's anti-terror policies and now they're suddenly fit for purpose. Conversely, the Republicans are all about due process and protecting the constitutional rights of citizens now. As Obama has said the USA is the one nation that doesn't have common sense gun safety laws despite the repeated mass killings. "Common sense" will soon have to prevail in Congress, especially as the killer in this horrific incident purchased his weapons legally, thus creating a nightmare scenario for law enforcement.
Ah, yes, hadn't thought of that. I can see where you are coming from. Thanks. Is that why it was blocked? Or was it blocked because it would be unconstitutional? The problem with that would be how does one get added to the terrorist watch list? Is it an arbitrary process that could be abused to keep guns out of those who are critical of the government or..? I've read an article about a professor from Columbia who was added to the no fly list because of a televised lecture critical of GW Bush. The NRA were opposed to the Bill for exactly that reason. I guess the whole nature of the watch list would be secretive for obvious reasons. However, whether you think it satisfactory or not a safeguard was built into the Bill allowing those who felt that they were erroneously placed on the watchlist to challenge any denial to purchase a firearm. The extent to which due process would be followed is anybody's guess. The Republicans having control of both Houses of Congress, blocked debate of the House Bill and in the Senate voted against the Bill. That combined with the NRA lobby.... means it's history ... for now. All this at a time when the world was watching after the Paris (Bataclan) and then the San Bernadino killings took place. Gun control is overly politicised. The Democrats were highly critical of Bush's anti-terror policies and now they're suddenly fit for purpose. Conversely, the Republicans are all about due process and protecting the constitutional rights of citizens now. As Obama has said the USA is the one nation that doesn't have common sense gun safety laws despite the repeated mass killings. "Common sense" will soon have to prevail in Congress, especially as the killer in this horrific incident purchased his weapons legally, thus creating a nightmare scenario for law enforcement. |
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America and guns.........again !!!, by nex on Jun 13, 2016 23:15:55 GMT 1, Ah, yes, hadn't thought of that. I can see where you are coming from. Thanks. Is that why it was blocked? Or was it blocked because it would be unconstitutional? The problem with that would be how does one get added to the terrorist watch list? Is it an arbitrary process that could be abused to keep guns out of those who are critical of the government or..? I've read an article about a professor from Columbia who was added to the no fly list because of a televised lecture critical of GW Bush.
Just wondering do you consider climate change a real phenomenon ?
Ah, yes, hadn't thought of that. I can see where you are coming from. Thanks. Is that why it was blocked? Or was it blocked because it would be unconstitutional? The problem with that would be how does one get added to the terrorist watch list? Is it an arbitrary process that could be abused to keep guns out of those who are critical of the government or..? I've read an article about a professor from Columbia who was added to the no fly list because of a televised lecture critical of GW Bush. Just wondering do you consider climate change a real phenomenon ? |
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America and guns.........again !!!, by iamzero on Jun 13, 2016 23:16:23 GMT 1, I don't buy the fact this was ISIL driven. Just a nutter with a gun and a twisted sense of logic. Easiest way to make himself look like some kind of martyr would be to align himself with another bunch of dicks.
I don't buy the fact this was ISIL driven. Just a nutter with a gun and a twisted sense of logic. Easiest way to make himself look like some kind of martyr would be to align himself with another bunch of dicks.
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America and guns.........again !!!, by NYart on Jun 13, 2016 23:31:24 GMT 1, The problem with that would be how does one get added to the terrorist watch list? Is it an arbitrary process that could be abused to keep guns out of those who are critical of the government or..? I've read an article about a professor from Columbia who was added to the no fly list because of a televised lecture critical of GW Bush. Just wondering do you consider climate change a real phenomenon ?
I do, i'm not a dumbass just because I'm not nieve enough to believe that governments would never abuse their power or the rights of their citizens lol
The problem with that would be how does one get added to the terrorist watch list? Is it an arbitrary process that could be abused to keep guns out of those who are critical of the government or..? I've read an article about a professor from Columbia who was added to the no fly list because of a televised lecture critical of GW Bush. Just wondering do you consider climate change a real phenomenon ? I do, i'm not a dumbass just because I'm not nieve enough to believe that governments would never abuse their power or the rights of their citizens lol |
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America and guns.........again !!!, by nex on Jun 13, 2016 23:57:49 GMT 1, Just wondering do you consider climate change a real phenomenon ? I do, i'm not a dumbass just because I'm not nieve enough to believe that governments would never abuse their power or the rights of their citizens lol
Thanks fascinating.
Just wondering do you consider climate change a real phenomenon ? I do, i'm not a dumbass just because I'm not nieve enough to believe that governments would never abuse their power or the rights of their citizens lol Thanks fascinating. |
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America and guns.........again !!!, by easycraig on Jun 14, 2016 2:05:13 GMT 1,
Jim is awesome.... if you a willing to watch, watch the full 15 minutes.
Jim is awesome.... if you a willing to watch, watch the full 15 minutes.
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America and guns.........again !!!, by d.r. perseus on Jun 14, 2016 2:25:55 GMT 1, I don't buy the fact this was ISIL driven. Just a nutter with a gun and a twisted sense of logic. Easiest way to make himself look like some kind of martyr would be to align himself with another bunch of dicks.
the rabbit hole
www.towleroad.com/2016/06/report-orlando-shooter-regular-gay-nightclub-pulse-ga/
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America and guns.........again !!!, by iamzero on Jun 14, 2016 7:10:41 GMT 1, Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. I guess some people that aren't comfortable with their own sexuality feel threatened by the gay community. Me and the missus used to go to a couple of well known gay clubs in Nottingham and they were always good nights out, I like the dry and cutting nature of many a gay mans humour. I'm guess the shooter has used the terrorist group excuse to try and gain himself some sort of cover up excuse.
Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. I guess some people that aren't comfortable with their own sexuality feel threatened by the gay community. Me and the missus used to go to a couple of well known gay clubs in Nottingham and they were always good nights out, I like the dry and cutting nature of many a gay mans humour. I'm guess the shooter has used the terrorist group excuse to try and gain himself some sort of cover up excuse.
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America and guns.........again !!!, by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 8:59:27 GMT 1, I wonder how the right wing, god fearing, IS shouting, fear mongering gun nuts will take to this news.
I wonder how the right wing, god fearing, IS shouting, fear mongering gun nuts will take to this news. |
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America and guns.........again !!!, by Matt on Jun 14, 2016 9:58:27 GMT 1, The problem with that would be how does one get added to the terrorist watch list? Is it an arbitrary process that could be abused to keep guns out of those who are critical of the government or..? I've read an article about a professor from Columbia who was added to the no fly list because of a televised lecture critical of GW Bush. Just wondering do you consider climate change a real phenomenon ?
In the wake of the terror attacks in Paris, hundreds of people in France were placed on "house arrest" under the state of emergency powers the govt granted itself.
A number of these people have since proven that they have no reason whatsoever to be on any of these terrorist list ( a lot of it being linked to having a cousin twice removed who knows a guy who, or homonym issues....).
If you think this is a good precautionary measure, wait until you start belonging to the group the finger is pointed at.
A white supremacist kills everyone in an abortion clinic and hey, he was at that church bake sale with your wife 2 years ago...boom, you're it !
The problem with that would be how does one get added to the terrorist watch list? Is it an arbitrary process that could be abused to keep guns out of those who are critical of the government or..? I've read an article about a professor from Columbia who was added to the no fly list because of a televised lecture critical of GW Bush. Just wondering do you consider climate change a real phenomenon ? The point raised by NYart is actually a good one. In the wake of the terror attacks in Paris, hundreds of people in France were placed on "house arrest" under the state of emergency powers the govt granted itself. A number of these people have since proven that they have no reason whatsoever to be on any of these terrorist list ( a lot of it being linked to having a cousin twice removed who knows a guy who, or homonym issues....). If you think this is a good precautionary measure, wait until you start belonging to the group the finger is pointed at. A white supremacist kills everyone in an abortion clinic and hey, he was at that church bake sale with your wife 2 years ago...boom, you're it ! |
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America and guns.........again !!!, by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 10:41:04 GMT 1, Just wondering do you consider climate change a real phenomenon ? The point raised by NYart is actually a good one. In the wake of the terror attacks in Paris, hundreds of people in France were placed on "house arrest" under the state of emergency powers the govt granted itself. A number of these people have since proven that they have no reason whatsoever to be on any of these terrorist list ( a lot of it being linked to having a cousin twice removed who knows a guy who, or homonym issues....). If you think this is a good precautionary measure, wait until you start belonging to the group the finger is pointed at. A white supremacist kills everyone in an abortion clinic and hey, he was at that church bake sale with your wife 2 years ago...boom, you're it !
Well, it would be a start at least. I live in hope.
Just wondering do you consider climate change a real phenomenon ? The point raised by NYart is actually a good one. In the wake of the terror attacks in Paris, hundreds of people in France were placed on "house arrest" under the state of emergency powers the govt granted itself. A number of these people have since proven that they have no reason whatsoever to be on any of these terrorist list ( a lot of it being linked to having a cousin twice removed who knows a guy who, or homonym issues....). If you think this is a good precautionary measure, wait until you start belonging to the group the finger is pointed at. A white supremacist kills everyone in an abortion clinic and hey, he was at that church bake sale with your wife 2 years ago...boom, you're it ! Take part in the democratic process and elect those u believe to be less likely to abuse the power entrusted them, power ultimately corrupts, so have a 4 year election cycle, remove money, business and single interest lobby groups from the political process, regulate for a fair and balanced media. Remove weapons of war such as the AR 15 from public sale, and redirect a % of arms spending to education and social improvement programs. Focus on values such as community, sharing and fairness, break up big banks and establish strong monopoly commissions. Encourage a more holistic view of the environment and teach the need for sustainability. Bring meditation into the school curriculum and design cities for people not cars. Focus all tax resources and revenue on people, not profit There's more than enough to go around. Well, it would be a start at least. I live in hope. |
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America and guns.........again !!!, by iamzero on Jun 14, 2016 12:22:56 GMT 1, I wonder how quick ISIL will distance themselves from this attack if it turns out the shooter was in fact a repressed homosexual?
I wonder how quick ISIL will distance themselves from this attack if it turns out the shooter was in fact a repressed homosexual?
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America and guns.........again !!!, by Wearology on Jun 14, 2016 13:02:38 GMT 1, I wonder how quick ISIL will distance themselves from this attack if it turns out the shooter was in fact a repressed homosexual?
It has been reported that he attended this nightclub for the past 3 years and frequently used the gay app
Jack'd to meet other men.
I wonder how quick ISIL will distance themselves from this attack if it turns out the shooter was in fact a repressed homosexual? It turns out that he is more likely a repressed heterosexual. It has been reported that he attended this nightclub for the past 3 years and frequently used the gay app Jack'd to meet other men. |
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what is it you wanted?
