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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 20:49:17 GMT 1, The HF AP's were selling for ยฃ35 at source before selling out. So ยฃ40 isn't unreasonable is it? So quickly people throw the "hype" card How many prints (hand finished or not) have resold anywhere near this level? Please show me any auction results that back this up The sales from source at ยฃ35 backs it up. Nothing further needed. The last few were at that price and were all sold.
The HF AP's were selling for ยฃ35 at source before selling out. So ยฃ40 isn't unreasonable is it? So quickly people throw the "hype" card How many prints (hand finished or not) have resold anywhere near this level? Please show me any auction results that back this up The sales from source at ยฃ35 backs it up. Nothing further needed. The last few were at that price and were all sold.
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by Lunch Special on Jul 18, 2017 20:53:02 GMT 1, any available? any left?
any available? any left?
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 21:12:56 GMT 1, How many prints (hand finished or not) have resold anywhere near this level? Please show me any auction results that back this up The sales from source at ยฃ35 backs it up. Nothing further needed. The last few were at that price and were all sold.
So no actual resale/public information? Primary sales don't equate to secondary market value
How many prints (hand finished or not) have resold anywhere near this level? Please show me any auction results that back this up The sales from source at ยฃ35 backs it up. Nothing further needed. The last few were at that price and were all sold. So no actual resale/public information? Primary sales don't equate to secondary market value
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 21:18:33 GMT 1, The sales from source at ยฃ35 backs it up. Nothing further needed. The last few were at that price and were all sold. So no actual resale/public information? Primary sales don't equate to secondary market value Not is all cases of course but in this case it's a pretty safe bet that it does. There is a reason there are no secondary market sales on this work to reference and it's not because it's an unwanted work.
The sales from source at ยฃ35 backs it up. Nothing further needed. The last few were at that price and were all sold. So no actual resale/public information? Primary sales don't equate to secondary market value Not is all cases of course but in this case it's a pretty safe bet that it does. There is a reason there are no secondary market sales on this work to reference and it's not because it's an unwanted work.
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by rosac on Jul 18, 2017 21:24:01 GMT 1, youd insure it for 40k becuase thats the price of a replacement, end of
youd insure it for 40k becuase thats the price of a replacement, end of
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by daniel3886 on Jul 18, 2017 22:58:29 GMT 1, So no actual resale/public information? Primary sales don't equate to secondary market value Not is all cases of course but in this case it's a pretty safe bet that it does. There is a reason there are no secondary market sales on this work to reference and it's not because it's an unwanted work.
Is Hang Up not selling a normal edition for cยฃ37k a secondary market value?
So no actual resale/public information? Primary sales don't equate to secondary market value Not is all cases of course but in this case it's a pretty safe bet that it does. There is a reason there are no secondary market sales on this work to reference and it's not because it's an unwanted work. Is Hang Up not selling a normal edition for cยฃ37k a secondary market value?
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by WOOF on Jul 18, 2017 23:05:57 GMT 1, Not is all cases of course but in this case it's a pretty safe bet that it does. There is a reason there are no secondary market sales on this work to reference and it's not because it's an unwanted work. Is Hang Up not selling a normal edition for cยฃ37k a secondary market value? Hang Up will never be a reasonable place to judge market value. They massively over inflate their asking prices, and mark pieces sold even if they were withdrawn from consignment and never actually sold.
Not is all cases of course but in this case it's a pretty safe bet that it does. There is a reason there are no secondary market sales on this work to reference and it's not because it's an unwanted work. Is Hang Up not selling a normal edition for cยฃ37k a secondary market value? Hang Up will never be a reasonable place to judge market value. They massively over inflate their asking prices, and mark pieces sold even if they were withdrawn from consignment and never actually sold.
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 23:13:38 GMT 1, Is Hang Up not selling a normal edition for cยฃ37k a secondary market value? Hang Up will never be a reasonable place to judge market value. They massively over inflate their asking prices, and mark pieces sold even if they were withdrawn from consignment and never actually sold.
Agree but if you insure for above their prices then you will be able to secure a replacement should you ever need to and Dungle is looking for an insurance value which is somewhat different from a sale valuation.
Is Hang Up not selling a normal edition for cยฃ37k a secondary market value? Hang Up will never be a reasonable place to judge market value. They massively over inflate their asking prices, and mark pieces sold even if they were withdrawn from consignment and never actually sold. Agree but if you insure for above their prices then you will be able to secure a replacement should you ever need to and Dungle is looking for an insurance value which is somewhat different from a sale valuation.
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by jluhiex on Jul 18, 2017 23:29:36 GMT 1, Artwork at that price bracket will probably have to be professionally appraised and be done at replacement value which is typically the highest. If the insured feels the appraised value is low then add the additional coverage to the rider and pay the premium. But as a reference this original sold for 30k gbp hammer recently (Not a dancing penguin but still an amazing original)
Harland Miller (b.1964)
I am the one I have been waiting for
Oil and pencil on paper, 2011, signed in pencil at lower right, 152 x 122cm (59 7/8 x 48in)
Provenance:
Reflex Gallery, Amsterdam, 2011.
Again, appraise it for what you like but the insurance company will not take a forum's valuation as credible.
Artwork at that price bracket will probably have to be professionally appraised and be done at replacement value which is typically the highest. If the insured feels the appraised value is low then add the additional coverage to the rider and pay the premium. But as a reference this original sold for 30k gbp hammer recently (Not a dancing penguin but still an amazing original)
Harland Miller (b.1964)
I am the one I have been waiting for
Oil and pencil on paper, 2011, signed in pencil at lower right, 152 x 122cm (59 7/8 x 48in)
Provenance:
Reflex Gallery, Amsterdam, 2011.
Again, appraise it for what you like but the insurance company will not take a forum's valuation as credible.
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daniel3886
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by daniel3886 on Jul 18, 2017 23:33:49 GMT 1, Hang Up will never be a reasonable place to judge market value. They massively over inflate their asking prices, and mark pieces sold even if they were withdrawn from consignment and never actually sold. Agree but if you insure for above their prices then you will be able to secure a replacement should you ever need to and Dungle is looking for an insurance value which is somewhat different from a sale valuation.
Find a hf one for 40k if you can. Value and replacement cost are 2 different things correlated yes but not the same.
Hang Up will never be a reasonable place to judge market value. They massively over inflate their asking prices, and mark pieces sold even if they were withdrawn from consignment and never actually sold. Agree but if you insure for above their prices then you will be able to secure a replacement should you ever need to and Dungle is looking for an insurance value which is somewhat different from a sale valuation. Find a hf one for 40k if you can. Value and replacement cost are 2 different things correlated yes but not the same.
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 23:41:38 GMT 1, Artwork at that price bracket will probably have to be professionally appraised and be done at replacement value which is typically the highest. If the insured feels the appraised value is low then add the additional coverage to the rider and pay the premium. But as a reference this original sold for 30k gbp hammer recently (Not a dancing penguin but still an amazing original) Harland Miller (b.1964) I am the one I have been waiting for Oil and pencil on paper, 2011, signed in pencil at lower right, 152 x 122cm (59 7/8 x 48in) Provenance: Reflex Gallery, Amsterdam, 2011. Again, appraise it for what you like but the insurance company will not take a forum's valuation as credible.
Use Hiscox. i recently insured with them, you can insure a collection for up to ยฃ250k without any real hassle or special criteria but there is a single item limit of ยฃ25k unless you specify items. I said i wanted to insure an item for ยฃ30k, they said no problems, end of story.
I used to use Directline Select but changed to Hiscox after reading good comments about them on here.
Artwork at that price bracket will probably have to be professionally appraised and be done at replacement value which is typically the highest. If the insured feels the appraised value is low then add the additional coverage to the rider and pay the premium. But as a reference this original sold for 30k gbp hammer recently (Not a dancing penguin but still an amazing original) Harland Miller (b.1964) I am the one I have been waiting for Oil and pencil on paper, 2011, signed in pencil at lower right, 152 x 122cm (59 7/8 x 48in) Provenance: Reflex Gallery, Amsterdam, 2011. Again, appraise it for what you like but the insurance company will not take a forum's valuation as credible. Use Hiscox. i recently insured with them, you can insure a collection for up to ยฃ250k without any real hassle or special criteria but there is a single item limit of ยฃ25k unless you specify items. I said i wanted to insure an item for ยฃ30k, they said no problems, end of story. I used to use Directline Select but changed to Hiscox after reading good comments about them on here.
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 23:43:24 GMT 1, Agree but if you insure for above their prices then you will be able to secure a replacement should you ever need to and Dungle is looking for an insurance value which is somewhat different from a sale valuation. Find a hf one for 40k if you can. Value and replacement cost are 2 different things correlated yes but not the same.
Issat not what i said, its what i meant ! I insure for well over the current values such that i know ill get a replacement should something happen to a print.
Agree but if you insure for above their prices then you will be able to secure a replacement should you ever need to and Dungle is looking for an insurance value which is somewhat different from a sale valuation. Find a hf one for 40k if you can. Value and replacement cost are 2 different things correlated yes but not the same. Issat not what i said, its what i meant ! I insure for well over the current values such that i know ill get a replacement should something happen to a print.
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by daniel3886 on Jul 19, 2017 0:58:44 GMT 1, We're agreeing I should have quoted WOOF not you.
We're agreeing I should have quoted WOOF not you.
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by Sundowner on Jul 19, 2017 7:50:22 GMT 1, I never realised trying to help a forum member with an insurance valuation would cause so much debate....๐ฌ
I never realised trying to help a forum member with an insurance valuation would cause so much debate....๐ฌ
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 7:56:27 GMT 1, Has anyone worked out why he does some of his canvasses so large?
Normal newish house ceilng height 2.4m
His large canvas 2.8m High
I am pretty sure he does not makes them for people with normal ceilings to buy, and as we have discussed his smaller canvasses for those with 'normal houses' have sold for ยฃ50k
So why did he make the big ones, where do you think his market is for them
I know, but i am not saying
(i don't really)
Has anyone worked out why he does some of his canvasses so large?
Normal newish house ceilng height 2.4m
His large canvas 2.8m High
I am pretty sure he does not makes them for people with normal ceilings to buy, and as we have discussed his smaller canvasses for those with 'normal houses' have sold for ยฃ50k
So why did he make the big ones, where do you think his market is for them
I know, but i am not saying
(i don't really)
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by medichead on Jul 19, 2017 9:50:23 GMT 1, Has anyone worked out why he does some of his canvasses so large? Normal newish house ceilng height 2.4m His large canvas 2.8m High I am pretty sure he does not makes them for people with normal ceilings to buy, and as we have discussed his smaller canvasses for those with 'normal houses' have sold for ยฃ50k So why did he make the big ones, where do you think his market is for them I know, but i am not saying (i don't really)
Thought the exact same thing when looking around his latest exhibition. The large format canvases all require double height ceilings!
Has anyone worked out why he does some of his canvasses so large? Normal newish house ceilng height 2.4m His large canvas 2.8m High I am pretty sure he does not makes them for people with normal ceilings to buy, and as we have discussed his smaller canvasses for those with 'normal houses' have sold for ยฃ50k So why did he make the big ones, where do you think his market is for them I know, but i am not saying (i don't really) Thought the exact same thing when looking around his latest exhibition. The large format canvases all require double height ceilings!
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by Cardiff on Aug 10, 2017 1:37:31 GMT 1, Any idea on pricing for a Love Saves The Day? Thanks!
Any idea on pricing for a Love Saves The Day? Thanks!
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by daniel3886 on Aug 10, 2017 10:09:31 GMT 1, Any idea on pricing for a Love Saves The Day? Thanks!
Think cat has one not sure on price Maddox have at 21k graffik at 22.5k private maybe a little less.
Any idea on pricing for a Love Saves The Day? Thanks! Think cat has one not sure on price Maddox have at 21k graffik at 22.5k private maybe a little less.
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by DrWhite on Aug 10, 2017 14:30:12 GMT 1, Any idea on pricing for a Love Saves The Day? Thanks!
I also think that Bruce at dare fine art had one available
Any idea on pricing for a Love Saves The Day? Thanks! I also think that Bruce at dare fine art had one available
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by Cardiff on Aug 10, 2017 18:47:03 GMT 1, Thanks daniel3886 & DrWhite!
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by Anthony Styles on Aug 16, 2017 16:45:19 GMT 1, Guys, any thoughts on current pricing for a Love decisive blow? Thanks A
Guys, any thoughts on current pricing for a Love decisive blow? Thanks A
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by rosac on Aug 16, 2017 21:32:56 GMT 1, Any idea on pricing for a Love Saves The Day? Thanks!
Oliver clatworthy had one aswell
Any idea on pricing for a Love Saves The Day? Thanks! Oliver clatworthy had one aswell
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by medichead on Aug 16, 2017 23:18:23 GMT 1, Any idea on pricing for a Love Saves The Day? Thanks! Oliver clatworthy had one aswell
19k
Any idea on pricing for a Love Saves The Day? Thanks! Oliver clatworthy had one aswell 19k
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by DrWhite on Aug 16, 2017 23:19:39 GMT 1, Oliver clatworthy had one aswell 19k
Do you know if it's an AP ? Or ed/100 ?
Oliver clatworthy had one aswell 19k Do you know if it's an AP ? Or ed/100 ?
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by medichead on Aug 16, 2017 23:27:18 GMT 1, Do you know if it's an AP ? Or ed/100 ?
Edition of 100
Do you know if it's an AP ? Or ed/100 ? Edition of 100
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by Earl Grey 2nd on Aug 17, 2017 6:38:11 GMT 1, If helpful, backing up sundowner here, TIWIFA was an edition of 50 and a number of standard APs. Harland then started offering some hand finished APs selling for 12-18k three-four years ago direct depending on the finish and how many were left (basically each one was a requested commission based on the APs/HsC versions he had). He then a few more slightly more detailed hand finished oneoffs he sold were around 18-20k each, may be more. I only know this as I've been lucky enough to buy a few originals and HF directly from Harland and via Alex at Reflex (great gallery by the way you want to source originals) over the past seven years. A HF normally takes Harland about 6 months to deliver and a commission is around 2 years and both are completely up to him whether he wants to do it. His latest HFs are 30k each (Happiness is an example) and original oils 60-85k. TIWIFA is still one of his most popular works (some would argue his most popular) and he stopped producing them a few years back. I don't believe he'll even do a version for commission anymore either. 40k sounds spot on for a HF, maybe a little more depending on the actual HF and maybe 30k for the standard.
If helpful, backing up sundowner here, TIWIFA was an edition of 50 and a number of standard APs. Harland then started offering some hand finished APs selling for 12-18k three-four years ago direct depending on the finish and how many were left (basically each one was a requested commission based on the APs/HsC versions he had). He then a few more slightly more detailed hand finished oneoffs he sold were around 18-20k each, may be more. I only know this as I've been lucky enough to buy a few originals and HF directly from Harland and via Alex at Reflex (great gallery by the way you want to source originals) over the past seven years. A HF normally takes Harland about 6 months to deliver and a commission is around 2 years and both are completely up to him whether he wants to do it. His latest HFs are 30k each (Happiness is an example) and original oils 60-85k. TIWIFA is still one of his most popular works (some would argue his most popular) and he stopped producing them a few years back. I don't believe he'll even do a version for commission anymore either. 40k sounds spot on for a HF, maybe a little more depending on the actual HF and maybe 30k for the standard.
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by Sundowner on Aug 17, 2017 7:09:03 GMT 1, Guys, any thoughts on current pricing for a Love decisive blow? Thanks A
You are looking at about ยฃ16k private sale I would suggest - the last one I saw at 21st Century Art was ยฃ15k about 4 months ago..
Guys, any thoughts on current pricing for a Love decisive blow? Thanks A You are looking at about ยฃ16k private sale I would suggest - the last one I saw at 21st Century Art was ยฃ15k about 4 months ago..
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by Anthony Styles on Aug 17, 2017 10:53:35 GMT 1, Thanks Sundowner, One more to tickle your brains about, as i dont have a recent comparison to gauge value.
Working Proof print 'I am the One Ive Been Waiting For', with unique pencil annotations and a finger print in paint where the print was moved with a messy hand. (probably Harland's)
Thanks Sundowner, One more to tickle your brains about, as i dont have a recent comparison to gauge value. Working Proof print 'I am the One Ive Been Waiting For', with unique pencil annotations and a finger print in paint where the print was moved with a messy hand. (probably Harland's)
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by badgersurf on Aug 17, 2017 11:24:56 GMT 1, Thanks Sundowner, One more to tickle your brains about, as i dont have a recent comparison to gauge value. Working Proof print 'I am the One Ive Been Waiting For', with unique pencil annotations and a finger print in paint where the print was moved with a messy hand. (probably Harland's) Do you have a picture of this, would love to see it!
Thanks Sundowner, One more to tickle your brains about, as i dont have a recent comparison to gauge value. Working Proof print 'I am the One Ive Been Waiting For', with unique pencil annotations and a finger print in paint where the print was moved with a messy hand. (probably Harland's) Do you have a picture of this, would love to see it!
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Harland Miller Artwork, VALUATION, by Anthony Styles on Aug 17, 2017 11:35:08 GMT 1, Currently at the framers Badgersurf. Once back will certainly post some pics for you. A
Currently at the framers Badgersurf. Once back will certainly post some pics for you. A
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