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Bad dealing tab tab, by SturbanHasSaggyTits on Jan 19, 2017 16:50:03 GMT 1, Hello everybody Dont like to post a thread like this,but feel I must warn you all on this. Posted in the art wanted thread and was contacted by tab1 . Bought two prints from him,Pรธbel - Bunad,small and big edition.Agreed on price,1000ยฃ for them both. Before sending he insisted to insure them even though I said no.Prints got insured to 1300ยฃ,cost 100ยฃ incl shipping to Norway. Agreed to mark low value and payment by pp gift was made. When the package arrived it was marked Banksy artwork value 2500ยฃ.One of the prints had big cracks and smaller marks on the other.No damage on tube(still have it) Told me to send them back for a refund,wich I did. When I saw it had arrived by using tracking I asked for my money back.Said he did'nt have it,problaby stuck at customs.Believed him and we agreed to wait a few more days. Parcelforce was contacted and they started their investigation. Driver went back on adress twice and they called him and left message. A driver interview/ report was made. In this report signature on adress is confirmed by GPS.Driver also describe him as half cast/black person and that he live with older people.This is correct. Parcelforce sends him a declaration twice.This is to get a official statement/claim from him. These declaration forms is never sent back. Not offered a pound in return and prints are not reported stolen to ABC printhouse. He recieved the prints in return the 21st September,so I have been patience enough on this. I know I am a 1 star member and he a 4 star,but I can show pictures and mails to back everything. Please pm or share if you got any information Thanks๐ Who the f**kis a 'half cast'? Pejorative or what, just saying. C'mon its 2017 not 1950!
I thought the same when I read it, but to be fair, it was the description given by the delivery driver not the op.
Hello everybody Dont like to post a thread like this,but feel I must warn you all on this. Posted in the art wanted thread and was contacted by tab1 . Bought two prints from him,Pรธbel - Bunad,small and big edition.Agreed on price,1000ยฃ for them both. Before sending he insisted to insure them even though I said no.Prints got insured to 1300ยฃ,cost 100ยฃ incl shipping to Norway. Agreed to mark low value and payment by pp gift was made. When the package arrived it was marked Banksy artwork value 2500ยฃ.One of the prints had big cracks and smaller marks on the other.No damage on tube(still have it) Told me to send them back for a refund,wich I did. When I saw it had arrived by using tracking I asked for my money back.Said he did'nt have it,problaby stuck at customs.Believed him and we agreed to wait a few more days. Parcelforce was contacted and they started their investigation. Driver went back on adress twice and they called him and left message. A driver interview/ report was made. In this report signature on adress is confirmed by GPS.Driver also describe him as half cast/black person and that he live with older people.This is correct. Parcelforce sends him a declaration twice.This is to get a official statement/claim from him. These declaration forms is never sent back. Not offered a pound in return and prints are not reported stolen to ABC printhouse. He recieved the prints in return the 21st September,so I have been patience enough on this. I know I am a 1 star member and he a 4 star,but I can show pictures and mails to back everything. Please pm or share if you got any information Thanks๐ Who the f**kis a 'half cast'? Pejorative or what, just saying. C'mon its 2017 not 1950! I thought the same when I read it, but to be fair, it was the description given by the delivery driver not the op.
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Bad dealing tab tab, by frankiefrench on Jan 19, 2017 16:54:27 GMT 1, Hello everybody Dont like to post a thread like this,but feel I must warn you all on this. Posted in the art wanted thread and was contacted by tab1 . Bought two prints from him,Pรธbel - Bunad,small and big edition.Agreed on price,1000ยฃ for them both. Before sending he insisted to insure them even though I said no.Prints got insured to 1300ยฃ,cost 100ยฃ incl shipping to Norway. Agreed to mark low value and payment by pp gift was made. When the package arrived it was marked Banksy artwork value 2500ยฃ.One of the prints had big cracks and smaller marks on the other.No damage on tube(still have it) Told me to send them back for a refund,wich I did. When I saw it had arrived by using tracking I asked for my money back.Said he did'nt have it,problaby stuck at customs.Believed him and we agreed to wait a few more days. Parcelforce was contacted and they started their investigation. Driver went back on adress twice and they called him and left message. A driver interview/ report was made. In this report signature on adress is confirmed by GPS.Driver also describe him as half cast/black person and that he live with older people.This is correct. Parcelforce sends him a declaration twice.This is to get a official statement/claim from him. These declaration forms is never sent back. Not offered a pound in return and prints are not reported stolen to ABC printhouse. He recieved the prints in return the 21st September,so I have been patience enough on this. I know I am a 1 star member and he a 4 star,but I can show pictures and mails to back everything. Please pm or share if you got any information Thanks๐ Who the f**kis a 'half cast'? Pejorative or what, just saying. C'mon its 2017 not 1950! LOLACAUST - remind me not to go for a job with Parcel Farce if they consider this acceptable report filling.
Hello everybody Dont like to post a thread like this,but feel I must warn you all on this. Posted in the art wanted thread and was contacted by tab1 . Bought two prints from him,Pรธbel - Bunad,small and big edition.Agreed on price,1000ยฃ for them both. Before sending he insisted to insure them even though I said no.Prints got insured to 1300ยฃ,cost 100ยฃ incl shipping to Norway. Agreed to mark low value and payment by pp gift was made. When the package arrived it was marked Banksy artwork value 2500ยฃ.One of the prints had big cracks and smaller marks on the other.No damage on tube(still have it) Told me to send them back for a refund,wich I did. When I saw it had arrived by using tracking I asked for my money back.Said he did'nt have it,problaby stuck at customs.Believed him and we agreed to wait a few more days. Parcelforce was contacted and they started their investigation. Driver went back on adress twice and they called him and left message. A driver interview/ report was made. In this report signature on adress is confirmed by GPS.Driver also describe him as half cast/black person and that he live with older people.This is correct. Parcelforce sends him a declaration twice.This is to get a official statement/claim from him. These declaration forms is never sent back. Not offered a pound in return and prints are not reported stolen to ABC printhouse. He recieved the prints in return the 21st September,so I have been patience enough on this. I know I am a 1 star member and he a 4 star,but I can show pictures and mails to back everything. Please pm or share if you got any information Thanks๐ Who the f**kis a 'half cast'? Pejorative or what, just saying. C'mon its 2017 not 1950! LOLACAUST - remind me not to go for a job with Parcel Farce if they consider this acceptable report filling.
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Bad dealing tab tab, by frankiefrench on Jan 19, 2017 16:58:22 GMT 1, The whole thing stinks of an insurance claim scam. Sell for a grand, say you are insuring for ยฃ1,300 and then when the thing turns up it has suddenly leapt in value to ยฃ2,500. Looks like this guy is going for the full two and a half grand. Tidy profit.
The whole thing stinks of an insurance claim scam. Sell for a grand, say you are insuring for ยฃ1,300 and then when the thing turns up it has suddenly leapt in value to ยฃ2,500. Looks like this guy is going for the full two and a half grand. Tidy profit.
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Poster Bob on Jan 19, 2017 17:04:46 GMT 1, Hello everybody Dont like to post a thread like this,but feel I must warn you all on this. Posted in the art wanted thread and was contacted by tab1 . Bought two prints from him,Pรธbel - Bunad,small and big edition.Agreed on price,1000ยฃ for them both. Before sending he insisted to insure them even though I said no.Prints got insured to 1300ยฃ,cost 100ยฃ incl shipping to Norway. Agreed to mark low value and payment by pp gift was made. When the package arrived it was marked Banksy artwork value 2500ยฃ.One of the prints had big cracks and smaller marks on the other.No damage on tube(still have it) Told me to send them back for a refund,wich I did. When I saw it had arrived by using tracking I asked for my money back.Said he did'nt have it,problaby stuck at customs.Believed him and we agreed to wait a few more days. Parcelforce was contacted and they started their investigation. Driver went back on adress twice and they called him and left message. A driver interview/ report was made. In this report signature on adress is confirmed by GPS.Driver also describe him as half cast/black person and that he live with older people.This is correct. Parcelforce sends him a declaration twice.This is to get a official statement/claim from him. These declaration forms is never sent back. Not offered a pound in return and prints are not reported stolen to ABC printhouse. He recieved the prints in return the 21st September,so I have been patience enough on this. I know I am a 1 star member and he a 4 star,but I can show pictures and mails to back everything. Please pm or share if you got any information Thanks๐ Who the f**kis a 'half cast'? Pejorative or what, just saying. C'mon its 2017 not 1950! He's using ESL. While I don't speak Norwegian and I can't speak about his intentions, most PC snowflakes would be flabbergasted at the terms that are normal and not deemed offensive in many European countries and not considered racist. I think a PM explaining the negative connotations would have been sufficient and more appropriate.
Hello everybody Dont like to post a thread like this,but feel I must warn you all on this. Posted in the art wanted thread and was contacted by tab1 . Bought two prints from him,Pรธbel - Bunad,small and big edition.Agreed on price,1000ยฃ for them both. Before sending he insisted to insure them even though I said no.Prints got insured to 1300ยฃ,cost 100ยฃ incl shipping to Norway. Agreed to mark low value and payment by pp gift was made. When the package arrived it was marked Banksy artwork value 2500ยฃ.One of the prints had big cracks and smaller marks on the other.No damage on tube(still have it) Told me to send them back for a refund,wich I did. When I saw it had arrived by using tracking I asked for my money back.Said he did'nt have it,problaby stuck at customs.Believed him and we agreed to wait a few more days. Parcelforce was contacted and they started their investigation. Driver went back on adress twice and they called him and left message. A driver interview/ report was made. In this report signature on adress is confirmed by GPS.Driver also describe him as half cast/black person and that he live with older people.This is correct. Parcelforce sends him a declaration twice.This is to get a official statement/claim from him. These declaration forms is never sent back. Not offered a pound in return and prints are not reported stolen to ABC printhouse. He recieved the prints in return the 21st September,so I have been patience enough on this. I know I am a 1 star member and he a 4 star,but I can show pictures and mails to back everything. Please pm or share if you got any information Thanks๐ Who the f**kis a 'half cast'? Pejorative or what, just saying. C'mon its 2017 not 1950! He's using ESL. While I don't speak Norwegian and I can't speak about his intentions, most PC snowflakes would be flabbergasted at the terms that are normal and not deemed offensive in many European countries and not considered racist. I think a PM explaining the negative connotations would have been sufficient and more appropriate.
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Bad dealing tab tab, by soam24 on Jan 19, 2017 17:14:08 GMT 1, tab1 - insurance is for you, not the buyer.
tab1 - insurance is for you, not the buyer.
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Bad dealing tab tab, by tab1 on Jan 19, 2017 18:15:51 GMT 1, tab1 - insurance is for you, not the buyer.
When I sent the Insurance is for the buyer which I explained and he paid for ,so it was his coverage as he wanted cheap as possible post and I did not want to be held responsible if damaged in post or missing.
The op also did not contact me straight away stating that it was damaged which now I find strange?
I was paid by gift payment so if lost or damaged the buyer would be re imbursed . I have sold many prints worth much more and why use this forum for this type of exchange.
Everyone is going to have there own angle and set view so make of it as you wish.
I've sent in good faith and have not received back .
I live elsewhere in a Victorian apartment on a estate which the post has a harder time getting to hence using my grandfathers address.
The tracking shows it was someone else it was signed by and not by me or a family member.
The driver has changed his event of story a few times
I've logged a complaint and reported missing.
People that are so concerned ask the op for the correspondence via pm and check the time lines .
Note if I was claiming insurance myself the buyer would have to be contacted and his signature approved and a receipt for the actual contents paid of the item is paid out not what the item is insured for
tab1 - insurance is for you, not the buyer. When I sent the Insurance is for the buyer which I explained and he paid for ,so it was his coverage as he wanted cheap as possible post and I did not want to be held responsible if damaged in post or missing. The op also did not contact me straight away stating that it was damaged which now I find strange? I was paid by gift payment so if lost or damaged the buyer would be re imbursed . I have sold many prints worth much more and why use this forum for this type of exchange. Everyone is going to have there own angle and set view so make of it as you wish. I've sent in good faith and have not received back . I live elsewhere in a Victorian apartment on a estate which the post has a harder time getting to hence using my grandfathers address. The tracking shows it was someone else it was signed by and not by me or a family member. The driver has changed his event of story a few times I've logged a complaint and reported missing. People that are so concerned ask the op for the correspondence via pm and check the time lines . Note if I was claiming insurance myself the buyer would have to be contacted and his signature approved and a receipt for the actual contents paid of the item is paid out not what the item is insured for
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Lroy on Jan 19, 2017 19:08:16 GMT 1, Just, I may be wrong but no Insurance at all for both if : "'I was paid by gift payment so if lost or damaged the buyer would be re imbursed "
Normal, Paypal fees are not included
Just, I may be wrong but no Insurance at all for both if : "'I was paid by gift payment so if lost or damaged the buyer would be re imbursed "
Normal, Paypal fees are not included
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Bad dealing tab tab, by cstav on Jan 19, 2017 19:22:07 GMT 1, You told me the package had to be insured since you had not done buisness with me before. As long as it was paid for by gift payment,you would not have any responsibility in any way.
I contacted you the same day I picked up the tube,I opened the tube in the evening. When I then asked you why value was marked 2500ยฃ,you told me the post officer filled the form. Later you admitted it was you,you did'nt know why though.
Gift payment was made so I would get re imbursed?
Suddenly you live elsewhere than the adress you gave me?
Can you please tell me/us what he has changed in his story?You have only made calls you sat,I have asked you for email to confirm your conplaint. Never got this
And why dont you return the declaration forms?
You also told me you can insure a parcel to the amount you want if its a gift.
You told me the package had to be insured since you had not done buisness with me before. As long as it was paid for by gift payment,you would not have any responsibility in any way.
I contacted you the same day I picked up the tube,I opened the tube in the evening. When I then asked you why value was marked 2500ยฃ,you told me the post officer filled the form. Later you admitted it was you,you did'nt know why though.
Gift payment was made so I would get re imbursed?
Suddenly you live elsewhere than the adress you gave me?
Can you please tell me/us what he has changed in his story?You have only made calls you sat,I have asked you for email to confirm your conplaint. Never got this
And why dont you return the declaration forms?
You also told me you can insure a parcel to the amount you want if its a gift.
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Bad dealing tab tab, by singo369 on Jan 19, 2017 22:25:20 GMT 1, This clearly isn't going to get resolved so it's a case of headgear on and fight to protect yourself, shame, but an example that things don't always go well on this forum! Upsetting!
This clearly isn't going to get resolved so it's a case of headgear on and fight to protect yourself, shame, but an example that things don't always go well on this forum! Upsetting!
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Bad dealing tab tab, by lollo88 on Jan 20, 2017 12:28:53 GMT 1, There is a great saying in italian to describe this situation: two blind men throwing stones at each other. This is going nowhere
There is a great saying in italian to describe this situation: two blind men throwing stones at each other. This is going nowhere
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Bad dealing tab tab, by oxfordwelshchap on Jan 20, 2017 12:37:00 GMT 1, tab1 - insurance is for you, not the buyer. When I sent the Insurance is for the buyer which I explained and he paid for ,so it was his coverage as he wanted cheap as possible post and I did not want to be held responsible if damaged in post or missing. The op also did not contact me straight away stating that it was damaged which now I find strange? I was paid by gift payment so if lost or damaged the buyer would be re imbursed . I have sold many prints worth much more and why use this forum for this type of exchange. Everyone is going to have there own angle and set view so make of it as you wish. I've sent in good faith and have not received back . I live elsewhere in a Victorian apartment on a estate which the post has a harder time getting to hence using my grandfathers address. The tracking shows it was someone else it was signed by and not by me or a family member. The driver has changed his event of story a few times I've logged a complaint and reported missing. People that are so concerned ask the op for the correspondence via pm and check the time lines . Note if I was claiming insurance myself the buyer would have to be contacted and his signature approved and a receipt for the actual contents paid of the item is paid out not what the item is insured for In the past I have always assumed that legally it is the sellers responsibility to ensure delivery of items to a buyer and that if goods are damaged or lost then the seller should claim from the courier. Am I wrong in thinking this? Not trying to allocate blame to anyone but I would like to know for my own reference.
tab1 - insurance is for you, not the buyer. When I sent the Insurance is for the buyer which I explained and he paid for ,so it was his coverage as he wanted cheap as possible post and I did not want to be held responsible if damaged in post or missing. The op also did not contact me straight away stating that it was damaged which now I find strange? I was paid by gift payment so if lost or damaged the buyer would be re imbursed . I have sold many prints worth much more and why use this forum for this type of exchange. Everyone is going to have there own angle and set view so make of it as you wish. I've sent in good faith and have not received back . I live elsewhere in a Victorian apartment on a estate which the post has a harder time getting to hence using my grandfathers address. The tracking shows it was someone else it was signed by and not by me or a family member. The driver has changed his event of story a few times I've logged a complaint and reported missing. People that are so concerned ask the op for the correspondence via pm and check the time lines . Note if I was claiming insurance myself the buyer would have to be contacted and his signature approved and a receipt for the actual contents paid of the item is paid out not what the item is insured for In the past I have always assumed that legally it is the sellers responsibility to ensure delivery of items to a buyer and that if goods are damaged or lost then the seller should claim from the courier. Am I wrong in thinking this? Not trying to allocate blame to anyone but I would like to know for my own reference.
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Coach on Jan 20, 2017 13:15:29 GMT 1, When I sent the Insurance is for the buyer which I explained and he paid for ,so it was his coverage as he wanted cheap as possible post and I did not want to be held responsible if damaged in post or missing. The op also did not contact me straight away stating that it was damaged which now I find strange? I was paid by gift payment so if lost or damaged the buyer would be re imbursed . I have sold many prints worth much more and why use this forum for this type of exchange. Everyone is going to have there own angle and set view so make of it as you wish. I've sent in good faith and have not received back . I live elsewhere in a Victorian apartment on a estate which the post has a harder time getting to hence using my grandfathers address. The tracking shows it was someone else it was signed by and not by me or a family member. The driver has changed his event of story a few times I've logged a complaint and reported missing. People that are so concerned ask the op for the correspondence via pm and check the time lines . Note if I was claiming insurance myself the buyer would have to be contacted and his signature approved and a receipt for the actual contents paid of the item is paid out not what the item is insured for In the past I have always assumed that legally it is the sellers responsibility to ensure delivery of items to a buyer and that if goods are damaged or lost then the seller should claim from the courier. Am I wrong in thinking this? Not trying to allocate blame to anyone but I would like to know for my own reference.
I don't know the legal position, but have always assumed it's the seller's responsibility to get the artwork to the buyer, and so the seller should insure. However, I would imagine that the parties are free agree to detract from that starting position, for example, if the buyer wishes to specify a particular shipper is used, and the seller is not comfortable with that, they may agree that it is either sent at the buyer's risk, or that the buyer insures (assuming that is possible). But I repeat, I do not know the legal position; I am speculating.
When I sent the Insurance is for the buyer which I explained and he paid for ,so it was his coverage as he wanted cheap as possible post and I did not want to be held responsible if damaged in post or missing. The op also did not contact me straight away stating that it was damaged which now I find strange? I was paid by gift payment so if lost or damaged the buyer would be re imbursed . I have sold many prints worth much more and why use this forum for this type of exchange. Everyone is going to have there own angle and set view so make of it as you wish. I've sent in good faith and have not received back . I live elsewhere in a Victorian apartment on a estate which the post has a harder time getting to hence using my grandfathers address. The tracking shows it was someone else it was signed by and not by me or a family member. The driver has changed his event of story a few times I've logged a complaint and reported missing. People that are so concerned ask the op for the correspondence via pm and check the time lines . Note if I was claiming insurance myself the buyer would have to be contacted and his signature approved and a receipt for the actual contents paid of the item is paid out not what the item is insured for In the past I have always assumed that legally it is the sellers responsibility to ensure delivery of items to a buyer and that if goods are damaged or lost then the seller should claim from the courier. Am I wrong in thinking this? Not trying to allocate blame to anyone but I would like to know for my own reference. I don't know the legal position, but have always assumed it's the seller's responsibility to get the artwork to the buyer, and so the seller should insure. However, I would imagine that the parties are free agree to detract from that starting position, for example, if the buyer wishes to specify a particular shipper is used, and the seller is not comfortable with that, they may agree that it is either sent at the buyer's risk, or that the buyer insures (assuming that is possible). But I repeat, I do not know the legal position; I am speculating.
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Happy Go Lucky Chap on Jan 20, 2017 13:46:37 GMT 1, Tabtab's next sales thread is gonna be interesting.
Tabtab's next sales thread is gonna be interesting.
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Pistol on Jan 20, 2017 13:55:51 GMT 1, There is a great saying in italian to describe this situation: two blind men throwing stones at each other. This is going nowhere
That is clearly in English mate, not Italian ๐
There is a great saying in italian to describe this situation: two blind men throwing stones at each other. This is going nowhere That is clearly in English mate, not Italian ๐
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Happy Shopper on Jan 20, 2017 15:00:50 GMT 1, It seems to me that the discussion about Tab Tab sending with or without insurance isn't the point of all this.
It's whether the prints were damaged before being sent! Tab Tab appears to have agreed they were and agreed a refund. (Personally I wouldn't have done that if I knew they were mint when I sent them!)
Now, if the buyer didn't return them with insurance, that's an issue, as now the prints appear to have been lost (apparently). But there was tracking, so I assume some insurance?
So, can the buyer make a claim and avoid further argument about the prints' whereabouts? If the delivery service can't prove they were delivered to the correct person it's their fault and liability.
It seems to me that the discussion about Tab Tab sending with or without insurance isn't the point of all this.
It's whether the prints were damaged before being sent! Tab Tab appears to have agreed they were and agreed a refund. (Personally I wouldn't have done that if I knew they were mint when I sent them!)
Now, if the buyer didn't return them with insurance, that's an issue, as now the prints appear to have been lost (apparently). But there was tracking, so I assume some insurance?
So, can the buyer make a claim and avoid further argument about the prints' whereabouts? If the delivery service can't prove they were delivered to the correct person it's their fault and liability.
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Bad dealing tab tab, by cstav on Jan 20, 2017 18:41:40 GMT 1, Insurance dont cover anything because its been delivered on adress. They have proof by signature,gps on adress and description of recipient.They see this a complete delivery. How can the driver describe him? To progress this case further they send him a declaration, twice. These forms are never returned,and Parcelforce ends their investigation because they dont get back the claim. This would of course be normal if you wanted to find the parcel
But then they will look deeper in to it,and guess who dont want that?
The low value we agreed to mark was written on the tube,the postage papers says value 2500ยฃ. Everyone know they only check the papers. Pictures of the prints that was sent before they were shipped dont show the area that was serious damaged on arrival. Did I send him a empty tube with tracking back and asked for my refund?
Insurance dont cover anything because its been delivered on adress. They have proof by signature,gps on adress and description of recipient.They see this a complete delivery. How can the driver describe him? To progress this case further they send him a declaration, twice. These forms are never returned,and Parcelforce ends their investigation because they dont get back the claim. This would of course be normal if you wanted to find the parcel
But then they will look deeper in to it,and guess who dont want that?
The low value we agreed to mark was written on the tube,the postage papers says value 2500ยฃ. Everyone know they only check the papers. Pictures of the prints that was sent before they were shipped dont show the area that was serious damaged on arrival. Did I send him a empty tube with tracking back and asked for my refund?
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Happy Shopper on Jan 20, 2017 18:53:50 GMT 1, I think I agree with you there. The onus is on Tab Tab to sort it out. He needs to contact the delivery company and help them find it (or have it registered as miss delivered/reported to the police as stolen/whatever) Or he does have it and is lying (hopefully not).
I think I agree with you there. The onus is on Tab Tab to sort it out. He needs to contact the delivery company and help them find it (or have it registered as miss delivered/reported to the police as stolen/whatever) Or he does have it and is lying (hopefully not).
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Bad dealing tab tab, by cstav on Jan 20, 2017 19:11:47 GMT 1, Exactly! That I would do also. But he keep on telling about the phonecalls. Its illegal to sign for a claim,quite serious with this amount of money.Therefore these are never returned. Last one was sent 23th november by Parcelforce on behalf of norwegian post service. There is a diffirence between a hand signed document and a phonecall.
Exactly! That I would do also. But he keep on telling about the phonecalls. Its illegal to sign for a claim,quite serious with this amount of money.Therefore these are never returned. Last one was sent 23th november by Parcelforce on behalf of norwegian post service. There is a diffirence between a hand signed document and a phonecall.
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 19:24:07 GMT 1, To clarify.
The OP bought a print and paid with Paypal gift?
Print arrived damaged and to get their money back the OP was told to send back the print and the seller would refund the money?
I thought when sending money with Paypal gift, it's classed as a "gift" and not a payment for goods.
Did the sender of the money have the full name and address in hand of the seller when they made the payment via Paypal?
If the seller said send it back and they will re fund the money then that is a contract.
If they gave a name and address. Who signed for the parcel?
Which company was used?
The seller should contact the parcel company and file a complaint against the delivery driver of giving the parcel to the wrong person plus file a complaint with the local police against the person in the building who signed for the parcel.
If the seller refuses to do so then I would ask why?
To clarify.
The OP bought a print and paid with Paypal gift?
Print arrived damaged and to get their money back the OP was told to send back the print and the seller would refund the money?
I thought when sending money with Paypal gift, it's classed as a "gift" and not a payment for goods.
Did the sender of the money have the full name and address in hand of the seller when they made the payment via Paypal?
If the seller said send it back and they will re fund the money then that is a contract.
If they gave a name and address. Who signed for the parcel?
Which company was used?
The seller should contact the parcel company and file a complaint against the delivery driver of giving the parcel to the wrong person plus file a complaint with the local police against the person in the building who signed for the parcel.
If the seller refuses to do so then I would ask why?
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Snakes
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Snakes on Jan 20, 2017 19:26:42 GMT 1, It does not matter who is the seller as far as I am aware. The compensation claim with the postage company lies with the sender. In this case, the return sender as they will be the one who paid the return postage and additional compensation. Unless of course the seller sent the buyer a prepaid postal label to print off.
It does not matter who is the seller as far as I am aware. The compensation claim with the postage company lies with the sender. In this case, the return sender as they will be the one who paid the return postage and additional compensation. Unless of course the seller sent the buyer a prepaid postal label to print off.
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Snakes
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Snakes on Jan 20, 2017 19:28:57 GMT 1, Also you send money by PayPal gift to save fees you do not have a leg to stand on in terms of getting it back in a dispute. You are up the proverbial excrement creak without a paddle. Pay the PayPal fee which may sting but it comes with some protection.
Also you send money by PayPal gift to save fees you do not have a leg to stand on in terms of getting it back in a dispute. You are up the proverbial excrement creak without a paddle. Pay the PayPal fee which may sting but it comes with some protection.
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tab1
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Bad dealing tab tab, by tab1 on Jan 20, 2017 23:02:40 GMT 1, It seems to me that the discussion about Tab Tab sending with or without insurance isn't the point of all this. It's whether the prints were damaged before being sent! Tab Tab appears to have agreed they were and agreed a refund. (Personally I wouldn't have done that if I knew they were mint when I sent them!) Now, if the buyer didn't return them with insurance, that's an issue, as now the prints appear to have been lost (apparently). But there was tracking, so I assume some insurance? So, can the buyer make a claim and avoid further argument about the prints' whereabouts? If the delivery service can't prove they were delivered to the correct person it's their fault and liability.
The prints were not damaged when sent and a slight line was put in one of the prints , I would not have sent the prints if there was an issue and damage my reputation, I viewed it as the seller trying to rip me off by claiming they were damaged as at first he asked for a discount and would keep but I have read about these types of buyers and been in a similar situation , claiming a slight fault to get money off or claiming through PayPal The prints were already ยฃ500 cheaper than market value in Norway and as it is pobel his secondary market seems is only in Norway, I have no access to these Norwegian forums and no interest from elsewhere, the Norwegian buyer carried out due diligence , I had dealt with 3 different people that had flown in from Norway and bought prints worth ยฃ1000-ยฃ3500 on previous occasions Also I had sent prints worth over ยฃ1000 to Norway on 5 separate occasions and the op had been in contact with some of these people.
Originally wanted one print but when found out I had two in different sizes bought both and haggled to reduce price.
The print he originally wanted was miraculously unmarked.
I have had numerous forum members visit my home address to pick up prints and posted many more with out trouble.
I felt I was being conned hence I said I would refund.which was not a problem , the mark was insignificant . And then to be threatened that they would post on the forum that I sold prints not as described ?
Checks are always carried out on selllers , precaution should also be taken on buyers.
Also at the same time I had sold similar value prints via gift with out problems
The print was sent by op and 4 days later I was asked about its where abouts . I assumed it was in customs as when I receive goods from Norway takes up to four weeks before I get a release customs letter.
The package was not signed or collected by myself or any family member , the tracking signature shows a different name and signature to mine , there are only two people at this address all this was viewed online and discussed with the post office .
The driver visited the address after I made a complaint and after stated a colour of the person he said he delivered to not a full discription of the person.
The op did not insure the parcel and started to threaten me and state he would go on the forum ? The only benefit of this is that certain people with out a full account of the events will become professional investigators and pass an official account of the events and outcome without any facts or the full account of events
I was fully working with and helping the op until his change of conduct , I have nothing to do with the missing item .
Everyone is going to interpret snippets of information and come to their own conclusions and have smart witty answers, the op is not getting his response he wishes from the courier service and now laying blame with me .
The op sent the parcel and he must initiate the claim procedure as he was the sender , and I shall assist
It seems to me that the discussion about Tab Tab sending with or without insurance isn't the point of all this. It's whether the prints were damaged before being sent! Tab Tab appears to have agreed they were and agreed a refund. (Personally I wouldn't have done that if I knew they were mint when I sent them!) Now, if the buyer didn't return them with insurance, that's an issue, as now the prints appear to have been lost (apparently). But there was tracking, so I assume some insurance? So, can the buyer make a claim and avoid further argument about the prints' whereabouts? If the delivery service can't prove they were delivered to the correct person it's their fault and liability. The prints were not damaged when sent and a slight line was put in one of the prints , I would not have sent the prints if there was an issue and damage my reputation, I viewed it as the seller trying to rip me off by claiming they were damaged as at first he asked for a discount and would keep but I have read about these types of buyers and been in a similar situation , claiming a slight fault to get money off or claiming through PayPal The prints were already ยฃ500 cheaper than market value in Norway and as it is pobel his secondary market seems is only in Norway, I have no access to these Norwegian forums and no interest from elsewhere, the Norwegian buyer carried out due diligence , I had dealt with 3 different people that had flown in from Norway and bought prints worth ยฃ1000-ยฃ3500 on previous occasions Also I had sent prints worth over ยฃ1000 to Norway on 5 separate occasions and the op had been in contact with some of these people. Originally wanted one print but when found out I had two in different sizes bought both and haggled to reduce price. The print he originally wanted was miraculously unmarked. I have had numerous forum members visit my home address to pick up prints and posted many more with out trouble. I felt I was being conned hence I said I would refund.which was not a problem , the mark was insignificant . And then to be threatened that they would post on the forum that I sold prints not as described ? Checks are always carried out on selllers , precaution should also be taken on buyers. Also at the same time I had sold similar value prints via gift with out problems The print was sent by op and 4 days later I was asked about its where abouts . I assumed it was in customs as when I receive goods from Norway takes up to four weeks before I get a release customs letter. The package was not signed or collected by myself or any family member , the tracking signature shows a different name and signature to mine , there are only two people at this address all this was viewed online and discussed with the post office . The driver visited the address after I made a complaint and after stated a colour of the person he said he delivered to not a full discription of the person. The op did not insure the parcel and started to threaten me and state he would go on the forum ? The only benefit of this is that certain people with out a full account of the events will become professional investigators and pass an official account of the events and outcome without any facts or the full account of events I was fully working with and helping the op until his change of conduct , I have nothing to do with the missing item . Everyone is going to interpret snippets of information and come to their own conclusions and have smart witty answers, the op is not getting his response he wishes from the courier service and now laying blame with me . The op sent the parcel and he must initiate the claim procedure as he was the sender , and I shall assist
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artbrut22
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Bad dealing tab tab, by artbrut22 on Jan 20, 2017 23:16:52 GMT 1, I've sent money via paypal and got screwed for the Invasion set by dantefires. Although the payment was processed through family and friends, my credit card company refunded the money. Good luck to you.
I've sent money via paypal and got screwed for the Invasion set by dantefires. Although the payment was processed through family and friends, my credit card company refunded the money. Good luck to you.
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cstav
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Bad dealing tab tab, by cstav on Jan 21, 2017 0:06:03 GMT 1, Tabtab,you are a professional LIAR Where is the email where I ask for discount for damaged print? You told me it could be fixed and I said no to this as I am not a professional and my framer adviced me not to try fix this. Prints are not unmarked Pรธbel - Bunad 40x70cm 93/100 Bunad 50x100cm 84/100
Have the reciept and original tube right here.
Why cant you send emails confirming contact? You know you shall return the declaration form.Why do you think they send this to you,with your name and adress on?
Why have you not reported them stolen to ABCprinthouse and the police?
Stop mention the phonecalls,its just bullshit.
Tabtab,you are a professional LIAR Where is the email where I ask for discount for damaged print? You told me it could be fixed and I said no to this as I am not a professional and my framer adviced me not to try fix this. Prints are not unmarked Pรธbel - Bunad 40x70cm 93/100 Bunad 50x100cm 84/100
Have the reciept and original tube right here.
Why cant you send emails confirming contact? You know you shall return the declaration form.Why do you think they send this to you,with your name and adress on?
Why have you not reported them stolen to ABCprinthouse and the police?
Stop mention the phonecalls,its just bullshit.
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tab1
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Bad dealing tab tab, by tab1 on Jan 21, 2017 3:02:19 GMT 1, Tabtab,you are a professional LIAR Where is the email where I ask for discount for damaged print? You told me it could be fixed and I said no to this as I am not a professional and my framer adviced me not to try fix this. Prints are not unmarked Pรธbel - Bunad 40x70cm 93/100 Bunad 50x100cm 84/100 Have the reciept and original tube right here. Why cant you send emails confirming contact? You know you shall return the declaration form.Why do you think they send this to you,with your name and adress on? Why have you not reported them stolen to ABCprinthouse and the police? Stop mention the phonecalls,its just bullshit.
Again this is why I cease to communicate with you I have my phone bill with times I have called the parcelforce office and duration. They have also mentioned they have contacted you and they have mentioned to you I have been in contact. It's also logged on their system my complaint against the reference tracking number every time I have contacted them. As soon as you started insinuanating and communicating trash I have ceased to help why would you help someone when you are accusing someone of the opposite?
I have all past communications as I am sure you do So will be forwarding to the correct channels as you want to still continue to harass and implie untruths without foundation previously I had not copied you in to all my emails to parcel force? It is not my mistake
Yes I did mention it's a faint line that a professional framer can flatten out ?
I do not need to lie or try to convince you of anything , I have all my correspondence with parcelforce and yourself.
Note for all : my name is printed as received but it has been signed by someone else and no door number has been left as to confirm where this is and the name should correspond to the signee or the new receiver updated
Tabtab,you are a professional LIAR Where is the email where I ask for discount for damaged print? You told me it could be fixed and I said no to this as I am not a professional and my framer adviced me not to try fix this. Prints are not unmarked Pรธbel - Bunad 40x70cm 93/100 Bunad 50x100cm 84/100 Have the reciept and original tube right here. Why cant you send emails confirming contact? You know you shall return the declaration form.Why do you think they send this to you,with your name and adress on? Why have you not reported them stolen to ABCprinthouse and the police? Stop mention the phonecalls,its just bullshit. Again this is why I cease to communicate with you I have my phone bill with times I have called the parcelforce office and duration. They have also mentioned they have contacted you and they have mentioned to you I have been in contact. It's also logged on their system my complaint against the reference tracking number every time I have contacted them. As soon as you started insinuanating and communicating trash I have ceased to help why would you help someone when you are accusing someone of the opposite? I have all past communications as I am sure you do So will be forwarding to the correct channels as you want to still continue to harass and implie untruths without foundation previously I had not copied you in to all my emails to parcel force? It is not my mistake Yes I did mention it's a faint line that a professional framer can flatten out ? I do not need to lie or try to convince you of anything , I have all my correspondence with parcelforce and yourself. Note for all : my name is printed as received but it has been signed by someone else and no door number has been left as to confirm where this is and the name should correspond to the signee or the new receiver updated
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andyroo0312
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Bad dealing tab tab, by andyroo0312 on Jan 21, 2017 3:05:08 GMT 1, These days i actually take a little video with my iPhone. I know it sounds a little over kill but it allows me to show in detail the whole process of me packing the print from the very start to the end so if anything like this ever poped up i could just send a copy off my little video and all can see what a packing god i am.
These days i actually take a little video with my iPhone. I know it sounds a little over kill but it allows me to show in detail the whole process of me packing the print from the very start to the end so if anything like this ever poped up i could just send a copy off my little video and all can see what a packing god i am.
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 3:26:04 GMT 1, The way I read all of:
- The buyer bought something, asked for a low value for import taxes. - Seller sent the prints deliberately writing up a way higher value, even higher than the prints actually sold for. - Buyer opened the not damaged tubes and the prints were damaged, which implies the prints were already damaged when they got sent. - Buyer asked for a discount, seller refused and said send them back, I'll refund you. - The prints were magically delivered to the wrong address, seller says, even tho the delivery guy gave an accurate description of the seller and there's confirmation of delivery in the form of a name and signature. - Seller didn't ask around in his neighbourhood who might have gotten the prints (can't be too far away from your home?).
This all looks really bad for the seller, if I were the buyer I'd feel scammed pretty hard.
Seller:
- deliberately marked a very high costums value while specifically asked not to - sent damaged prints - had the prints somehow delivered to not his home address
Buyer:
- just forgot to insure the return shipment
All in all I'd raise hell like buyer did too. And I don't know the people involved at all.
The way I read all of:
- The buyer bought something, asked for a low value for import taxes. - Seller sent the prints deliberately writing up a way higher value, even higher than the prints actually sold for. - Buyer opened the not damaged tubes and the prints were damaged, which implies the prints were already damaged when they got sent. - Buyer asked for a discount, seller refused and said send them back, I'll refund you. - The prints were magically delivered to the wrong address, seller says, even tho the delivery guy gave an accurate description of the seller and there's confirmation of delivery in the form of a name and signature. - Seller didn't ask around in his neighbourhood who might have gotten the prints (can't be too far away from your home?).
This all looks really bad for the seller, if I were the buyer I'd feel scammed pretty hard.
Seller:
- deliberately marked a very high costums value while specifically asked not to - sent damaged prints - had the prints somehow delivered to not his home address
Buyer:
- just forgot to insure the return shipment
All in all I'd raise hell like buyer did too. And I don't know the people involved at all.
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Bad dealing tab tab, by 11 on Jan 21, 2017 3:54:28 GMT 1, So if I understand this correctly, the items were damaged somewhere between buying and receiving the items....for which its worth pointing out that damage to art is not covered anyway, only loss, read the small print and use bomb-proof packaging or proper art couriers for high-value work ....I digress.
The seller wanted to avoid any dispute and stated if the item(s) are returned then he will refund the buyer in full.
The buyer sent the items using an inferior postal service without insurance and they haven't arrived at the correct destination....or because they were signed for, the insurance is refusing to pay?
The seller has not received his goods that he sold (and if we also believe his word as we do the OP) were sent in the stated condition but had accepted responsibility as the sender that once he got his goods back he would give a full refund.
In my view (and I have been in a very similar position), the onus is on the sender to pursue a case against the courier however, the receiver should be giving his full co-operation to get this issue resolved
....referring back to my earlier statement; damage to art isn't covered by any courier service other than specialists but Loss IS ....in that scenario at least both parties come out of this with minimal financial loss
So if I understand this correctly, the items were damaged somewhere between buying and receiving the items....for which its worth pointing out that damage to art is not covered anyway, only loss, read the small print and use bomb-proof packaging or proper art couriers for high-value work ....I digress.
The seller wanted to avoid any dispute and stated if the item(s) are returned then he will refund the buyer in full.
The buyer sent the items using an inferior postal service without insurance and they haven't arrived at the correct destination....or because they were signed for, the insurance is refusing to pay?
The seller has not received his goods that he sold (and if we also believe his word as we do the OP) were sent in the stated condition but had accepted responsibility as the sender that once he got his goods back he would give a full refund.
In my view (and I have been in a very similar position), the onus is on the sender to pursue a case against the courier however, the receiver should be giving his full co-operation to get this issue resolved
....referring back to my earlier statement; damage to art isn't covered by any courier service other than specialists but Loss IS ....in that scenario at least both parties come out of this with minimal financial loss
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smokinfish
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Bad dealing tab tab, by smokinfish on Jan 21, 2017 5:43:11 GMT 1, Just for future reference, this is from the USPS site but I would assume it would apply for other carriers as well.
"If you received something damaged, please hang onto the original packaging and the damaged item until your claim is settled. You may be asked to take them to your local Post Officeโข for inspection later. Please do not reship the package."
When a package is lost in transit, you must wait a minimum of 21 days after the mailing date before you make the claim. If an item arrives at the buyerโs door damaged, you may make a claim with the post office immediately.
Thereโs always a question as to who makes the claim: Damaged or lost contents: Either the seller or the buyer can file the claim. Complete loss: When a package has not turned up within 30 days, the seller files the claim.
When I pay by PayPal and receive a damaged item, I'll make the insurance claim and then contact the seller.
Just for future reference, this is from the USPS site but I would assume it would apply for other carriers as well.
"If you received something damaged, please hang onto the original packaging and the damaged item until your claim is settled. You may be asked to take them to your local Post Officeโข for inspection later. Please do not reship the package."
When a package is lost in transit, you must wait a minimum of 21 days after the mailing date before you make the claim. If an item arrives at the buyerโs door damaged, you may make a claim with the post office immediately.
Thereโs always a question as to who makes the claim: Damaged or lost contents: Either the seller or the buyer can file the claim. Complete loss: When a package has not turned up within 30 days, the seller files the claim.
When I pay by PayPal and receive a damaged item, I'll make the insurance claim and then contact the seller.
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Born Again
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Bad dealing tab tab, by Born Again on Jan 21, 2017 7:51:43 GMT 1, Cbf reading all the the pages of comments. I'm assuming there's drama
Cbf reading all the the pages of comments. I'm assuming there's drama
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