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Signed or unsigned , by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 8:10:36 GMT 1, Banksy - the signed or unsigned debate.
Really interested to hear people's thoughts on this. Obviously we are posting / talking about banksy daily and I have read a lot of conversations about the values and demand of banksys works. It would seem most forum member comments I have read think unsigned will become less desirable and lose value.
I see it totally differently and am buying unsigned personally.
Why?
Well firstly it's important to remember these are the same prints, same paper, same artist, produced at the same time etc. The only difference being a tiny pencil signature by a person who has no face (sure we are all pretty sure we know who he is but he is still anonymous in theory)
It is also possible based on the history of people stencilling for him and helping him produce work, that more than one person was signing the prints..so what is the value of that little scribble? ยฃ10,000? Not for me!
The way i see it is... signed will become so expensive 95% of us will be unable to afford and access these prints so the next best thing is unsigned and the demand and value will only grow.
Love to hear your thoughts! This is hear for discussion and debate...
Banksy - the signed or unsigned debate.
Really interested to hear people's thoughts on this. Obviously we are posting / talking about banksy daily and I have read a lot of conversations about the values and demand of banksys works. It would seem most forum member comments I have read think unsigned will become less desirable and lose value.
I see it totally differently and am buying unsigned personally.
Why?
Well firstly it's important to remember these are the same prints, same paper, same artist, produced at the same time etc. The only difference being a tiny pencil signature by a person who has no face (sure we are all pretty sure we know who he is but he is still anonymous in theory)
It is also possible based on the history of people stencilling for him and helping him produce work, that more than one person was signing the prints..so what is the value of that little scribble? ยฃ10,000? Not for me!
The way i see it is... signed will become so expensive 95% of us will be unable to afford and access these prints so the next best thing is unsigned and the demand and value will only grow.
Love to hear your thoughts! This is hear for discussion and debate...
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Signed or unsigned , by ferg on Mar 17, 2017 8:46:37 GMT 1, Got to be signed how do you know the main man has touched the paper
Got to be signed how do you know the main man has touched the paper
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Signed or unsigned , by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 8:52:00 GMT 1, Got to be signed how do you know the main man has touched the paper
That's my point really you dont know anyway, could be anyone writing banksy for him, Or them, or her....
Would you pay twice as much for a car because someone scribbled their name on it.
I think the signature debate is fascinating because it actually has nothing to do with the art itself or any form of authentication. Pest control deal with that for us.
Got to be signed how do you know the main man has touched the paper That's my point really you dont know anyway, could be anyone writing banksy for him, Or them, or her.... Would you pay twice as much for a car because someone scribbled their name on it. I think the signature debate is fascinating because it actually has nothing to do with the art itself or any form of authentication. Pest control deal with that for us. |
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Signed or unsigned , by barryh on Mar 17, 2017 8:59:43 GMT 1, Got to be signed how do you know the main man has touched the paper
Even if it is signed, it could have been signed by any of of team banksy.. especially with the older stuff.
Got to be signed how do you know the main man has touched the paper Even if it is signed, it could have been signed by any of of team banksy.. especially with the older stuff. |
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Signed or unsigned , by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 9:08:48 GMT 1, What about value. Commercially it would seem to me that as the signed prices become unrealistic and too expensive the secondary unsigned Market has to explode.
I think eventually the prices will be closer not further apart
What about value. Commercially it would seem to me that as the signed prices become unrealistic and too expensive the secondary unsigned Market has to explode.
I think eventually the prices will be closer not further apart
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Signed or unsigned , by ferg on Mar 17, 2017 9:10:52 GMT 1, That's forgery if someone else signed it isn't it ?
That's forgery if someone else signed it isn't it ?
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Signed or unsigned , by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 9:15:31 GMT 1, Banksy - the signed or unsigned debate. Really interested to hear people's thoughts on this. Obviously we are posting / talking about banksy daily and I have read a lot of conversations about the values and demand of banksys works. It would seem most forum member comments I have read think unsigned will become less desirable and lose value. I see it totally differently and am buying unsigned personally. Why? Well firstly it's important to remember these are the same prints, same paper, same artist, produced at the same time etc. The only difference being a tiny pencil signature by a person who has no face (sure we are all pretty sure we know who he is but he is still anonymous in theory) It is also possible based on the history of people stencilling for him and helping him produce work, that more than one person was signing the prints..so what is the value of that little scribble? ยฃ10,000? Not for me! The way i see it is... signed will become so expensive 95% of us will be unable to afford and access these prints so the next best thing is unsigned and the demand and value will only grow. Love to hear your thoughts! This is hear for discussion and debate...
I think it happened a few years back, as an example circa 2008
I.e signed rat could be bought for ยฃ4k unsigned rat ยฃ1k
PC is the important bit
(reminds me to send yet another email)
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Banksy - the signed or unsigned debate. Really interested to hear people's thoughts on this. Obviously we are posting / talking about banksy daily and I have read a lot of conversations about the values and demand of banksys works. It would seem most forum member comments I have read think unsigned will become less desirable and lose value. I see it totally differently and am buying unsigned personally. Why? Well firstly it's important to remember these are the same prints, same paper, same artist, produced at the same time etc. The only difference being a tiny pencil signature by a person who has no face (sure we are all pretty sure we know who he is but he is still anonymous in theory) It is also possible based on the history of people stencilling for him and helping him produce work, that more than one person was signing the prints..so what is the value of that little scribble? ยฃ10,000? Not for me! The way i see it is... signed will become so expensive 95% of us will be unable to afford and access these prints so the next best thing is unsigned and the demand and value will only grow. Love to hear your thoughts! This is hear for discussion and debate... Unless I have missed the point to your question, which is entirely possible I think it happened a few years back, as an example circa 2008 I.e signed rat could be bought for ยฃ4k unsigned rat ยฃ1k PC is the important bit (reminds me to send yet another email) xx |
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Signed or unsigned , by barryh on Mar 17, 2017 9:44:28 GMT 1, That's forgery if someone else signed it isn't it ?
Not if you have permission and probably not if youre part of an evolving team.
That's forgery if someone else signed it isn't it ? Not if you have permission and probably not if youre part of an evolving team. |
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Signed or unsigned , by Fะฏ on Mar 17, 2017 9:50:57 GMT 1, That's forgery if someone else signed it isn't it ? Not if you have permission and probably not if youre part of an evolving team.
No one else signs them. Just rob
That's forgery if someone else signed it isn't it ? Not if you have permission and probably not if youre part of an evolving team. No one else signs them. Just rob |
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Signed or unsigned , by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 10:01:52 GMT 1, Banksy - the signed or unsigned debate. Really interested to hear people's thoughts on this. Obviously we are posting / talking about banksy daily and I have read a lot of conversations about the values and demand of banksys works. It would seem most forum member comments I have read think unsigned will become less desirable and lose value. I see it totally differently and am buying unsigned personally. Why? Well firstly it's important to remember these are the same prints, same paper, same artist, produced at the same time etc. The only difference being a tiny pencil signature by a person who has no face (sure we are all pretty sure we know who he is but he is still anonymous in theory) It is also possible based on the history of people stencilling for him and helping him produce work, that more than one person was signing the prints..so what is the value of that little scribble? ยฃ10,000? Not for me! The way i see it is... signed will become so expensive 95% of us will be unable to afford and access these prints so the next best thing is unsigned and the demand and value will only grow. Love to hear your thoughts! This is hear for discussion and debate... Unless I have missed the point to your question, which is entirely possible I think it happened a few years back, as an example circa 2008 I.e signed rat could be bought for ยฃ4k ย unsigned rat ยฃ1k PC is the important bit (reminds me to send yet another email) xx
My point is a lot of people on here have been saying recently that unsigned will become undesirable and only buy signed. With the prices of signed hitting the 20k mark minimum and rising they become totally unaffordable so surely the unsigned market would blossom further.. great to hear opinions and thoughts on this though
Banksy - the signed or unsigned debate. Really interested to hear people's thoughts on this. Obviously we are posting / talking about banksy daily and I have read a lot of conversations about the values and demand of banksys works. It would seem most forum member comments I have read think unsigned will become less desirable and lose value. I see it totally differently and am buying unsigned personally. Why? Well firstly it's important to remember these are the same prints, same paper, same artist, produced at the same time etc. The only difference being a tiny pencil signature by a person who has no face (sure we are all pretty sure we know who he is but he is still anonymous in theory) It is also possible based on the history of people stencilling for him and helping him produce work, that more than one person was signing the prints..so what is the value of that little scribble? ยฃ10,000? Not for me! The way i see it is... signed will become so expensive 95% of us will be unable to afford and access these prints so the next best thing is unsigned and the demand and value will only grow. Love to hear your thoughts! This is hear for discussion and debate... Unless I have missed the point to your question, which is entirely possible I think it happened a few years back, as an example circa 2008 I.e signed rat could be bought for ยฃ4k ย unsigned rat ยฃ1k PC is the important bit (reminds me to send yet another email) xx My point is a lot of people on here have been saying recently that unsigned will become undesirable and only buy signed. With the prices of signed hitting the 20k mark minimum and rising they become totally unaffordable so surely the unsigned market would blossom further.. great to hear opinions and thoughts on this though |
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Signed or unsigned , by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 10:18:32 GMT 1, Unless I have missed the point to your question, which is entirely possible I think it happened a few years back, as an example circa 2008 I.e signed rat could be bought for ยฃ4k unsigned rat ยฃ1k PC is the important bit (reminds me to send yet another email) xx My point is a lot of people on here have been saying recently that unsigned will become undesirable and only buy signed. With the prices of signed hitting the 20k mark minimum and rising they become totally unaffordable so surely the unsigned market would blossom further.. great to hear opinions and thoughts on this though
Unless I have missed the point to your question, which is entirely possible I think it happened a few years back, as an example circa 2008 I.e signed rat could be bought for ยฃ4k unsigned rat ยฃ1k PC is the important bit (reminds me to send yet another email) xx My point is a lot of people on here have been saying recently that unsigned will become undesirable and only buy signed. With the prices of signed hitting the 20k mark minimum and rising they become totally unaffordable so surely the unsigned market would blossom further.. great to hear opinions and thoughts on this though when you say a lot of people, do you mean Bob ? |
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Signed or unsigned , by hnkpnk on Mar 17, 2017 10:23:40 GMT 1, When there were editions of both signed and unsigned, the cost of the signed was mostly double.
Isn't it more or less the same still?
It's more than ten years since I first saw someone on the forums say that signed would skyrocket and the unsigned would be almost worthless.
When there were editions of both signed and unsigned, the cost of the signed was mostly double.
Isn't it more or less the same still?
It's more than ten years since I first saw someone on the forums say that signed would skyrocket and the unsigned would be almost worthless.
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Signed or unsigned , by RoboJ on Mar 17, 2017 10:24:16 GMT 1, Considering what people are paying for posters I think when they will naturally loose value first if any of B's work ever does. At the end of the day if you like b's work and would rather see more of it on your walls, buy unsigned. If the sig is important or you're buying more high value pieces go for a signed and pay the premium. What ever you do, don't spend silly money on mass produced, easy to fake, posters.
Considering what people are paying for posters I think when they will naturally loose value first if any of B's work ever does. At the end of the day if you like b's work and would rather see more of it on your walls, buy unsigned. If the sig is important or you're buying more high value pieces go for a signed and pay the premium. What ever you do, don't spend silly money on mass produced, easy to fake, posters.
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Signed or unsigned , by SturbanHasSaggyTits on Mar 17, 2017 10:48:37 GMT 1, Considering what people are paying for posters I think when they will naturally loose value first if any of B's work ever does. At the end of the day if you like b's work and would rather see more of it on your walls, buy unsigned. If the sig is important or you're buying more high value pieces go for a signed and pay the premium. What ever you do, don't spend silly money on mass produced, easy to fake, posters.
.. and non authenticated vinyls. Whoever is paying up to ยฃ1k for those dirty funker vinyls seriously need help.
Considering what people are paying for posters I think when they will naturally loose value first if any of B's work ever does. At the end of the day if you like b's work and would rather see more of it on your walls, buy unsigned. If the sig is important or you're buying more high value pieces go for a signed and pay the premium. What ever you do, don't spend silly money on mass produced, easy to fake, posters. .. and non authenticated vinyls. Whoever is paying up to ยฃ1k for those dirty funker vinyls seriously need help. |
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Signed or unsigned , by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 11:26:43 GMT 1, Considering what people are paying for posters I think when they will naturally loose value first if any of B's work ever does. At the end of the day if you like b's work and would rather see more of it on your walls, buy unsigned. If the sig is important or you're buying more high value pieces go for a signed and pay the premium. What ever you do, don't spend silly money on mass produced, easy to fake, posters. .. and non authenticated vinyls. Whoever is paying up to ยฃ1k for those dirty funker vinyls seriously need help.
Hi robo. Fakes and authentication aren't really relevant if you have the PC COA surely? Everything is faked and Pest control protects us from any issues here
Considering what people are paying for posters I think when they will naturally loose value first if any of B's work ever does. At the end of the day if you like b's work and would rather see more of it on your walls, buy unsigned. If the sig is important or you're buying more high value pieces go for a signed and pay the premium. What ever you do, don't spend silly money on mass produced, easy to fake, posters. .. and non authenticated vinyls. Whoever is paying up to ยฃ1k for those dirty funker vinyls seriously need help. Hi robo. Fakes and authentication aren't really relevant if you have the PC COA surely? Everything is faked and Pest control protects us from any issues here |
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Signed or unsigned , by RoboJ on Mar 17, 2017 13:33:28 GMT 1, .. and non authenticated vinyls. Whoever is paying up to ยฃ1k for those dirty funker vinyls seriously need help. Hi robo. Fakes and authentication aren't really relevant if you have the PC COA surely? Everything is faked and Pest control protects us from any issues here
Precisely. Going back to the original question of are unsigned becoming less desirable. Clearly not when people are so desperate to get B's work that they will pay incredible amounts for posters and lp's with no authentication. When they drop that might be a sign that B's prints may start to level out but we clearly arnt there yet
.. and non authenticated vinyls. Whoever is paying up to ยฃ1k for those dirty funker vinyls seriously need help. Hi robo. Fakes and authentication aren't really relevant if you have the PC COA surely? Everything is faked and Pest control protects us from any issues here Precisely. Going back to the original question of are unsigned becoming less desirable. Clearly not when people are so desperate to get B's work that they will pay incredible amounts for posters and lp's with no authentication. When they drop that might be a sign that B's prints may start to level out but we clearly arnt there yet |
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Signed or unsigned , by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 17, 2017 16:27:12 GMT 1, Here's a question. How would the 'Mystery' of his identity being solved affect prices?
Here's a question. How would the 'Mystery' of his identity being solved affect prices?
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Signed or unsigned , by Pysgod on Mar 17, 2017 16:33:20 GMT 1, Here's a question. How would the 'Mystery' of his identity being solved affect prices?
Are you telling me you still don't know who Banksy is ?
Here's a question. How would the 'Mystery' of his identity being solved affect prices?
Are you telling me you still don't know who Banksy is ?
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Signed or unsigned , by Pysgod on Mar 17, 2017 16:37:12 GMT 1, Nobody wants an unsigned print !
It's just what you have to 'settle for' if you cant find or afford
Nobody wants an unsigned print !
It's just what you have to 'settle for' if you cant find or afford
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Signed or unsigned , by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 17, 2017 16:40:52 GMT 1, Here's a question. How would the 'Mystery' of his identity being solved affect prices?
Are you telling me you still don't know who Banksy is ?
Haha the world still like to act like they don't. That's what matters.
Here's a question. How would the 'Mystery' of his identity being solved affect prices?
Are you telling me you still don't know who Banksy is ?
Haha the world still like to act like they don't. That's what matters. |
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Signed or unsigned , by Pysgod on Mar 17, 2017 16:45:01 GMT 1,
Are you telling me you still don't know who Banksy is ?
Haha the world still like to act like they don't. That's what matters. So in answer to your first question
My prints have gone up between 15k-20k for each in the time I've known his identity
Are you telling me you still don't know who Banksy is ?
Haha the world still like to act like they don't. That's what matters. So in answer to your first question
My prints have gone up between 15k-20k for each in the time I've known his identity
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Signed or unsigned , by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 18:05:44 GMT 1, Unless I have missed the point to your question, which is entirely possible I think it happened a few years back, as an example circa 2008 I.e signed rat could be bought for ยฃ4k unsigned rat ยฃ1k PC is the important bit (reminds me to send yet another email) xx My point is a lot of people on here have been saying recently that unsigned will become undesirable and only buy signed. With the prices of signed hitting the 20k mark minimum and rising they become totally unaffordable so surely the unsigned market would blossom further.. great to hear opinions and thoughts on this though
I dont think a lot of people have been saying it on here? maybe one or 2 people have been a saying it multiple times?
Unless I have missed the point to your question, which is entirely possible I think it happened a few years back, as an example circa 2008 I.e signed rat could be bought for ยฃ4k unsigned rat ยฃ1k PC is the important bit (reminds me to send yet another email) xx My point is a lot of people on here have been saying recently that unsigned will become undesirable and only buy signed. With the prices of signed hitting the 20k mark minimum and rising they become totally unaffordable so surely the unsigned market would blossom further.. great to hear opinions and thoughts on this though I dont think a lot of people have been saying it on here? maybe one or 2 people have been a saying it multiple times? |
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Signed or unsigned , by joecool91 on Mar 17, 2017 18:33:55 GMT 1, Not the same as a signature I know but I've seen galleries advertise unsigned as "numbered by artist". Wonder how much truth there is in this, and if they were all numbered by Banksy what effect this would have on value.
Not the same as a signature I know but I've seen galleries advertise unsigned as "numbered by artist". Wonder how much truth there is in this, and if they were all numbered by Banksy what effect this would have on value.
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Signed or unsigned , by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 19:50:36 GMT 1, My point is a lot of people on here have been saying recently that unsigned will become undesirable and only buy signed. With the prices of signed hitting the 20k mark minimum and rising they become totally unaffordable so surely the unsigned market would blossom further.. great to hear opinions and thoughts on this though I dont think a lot of people have been saying it on here? maybe one or 2 people have been a saying it multiple times?
My point is a lot of people on here have been saying recently that unsigned will become undesirable and only buy signed. With the prices of signed hitting the 20k mark minimum and rising they become totally unaffordable so surely the unsigned market would blossom further.. great to hear opinions and thoughts on this though I dont think a lot of people have been saying it on here? maybe one or 2 people have been a saying it multiple times? |
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Signed or unsigned , by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 20:02:04 GMT 1, I dont think a lot of people have been saying it on here? maybe one or 2 people have been a saying it multiple times?
Some people have said it so it's worth discussing. Let's not start digging anyone out. Opinions are healthy
I dont think a lot of people have been saying it on here? maybe one or 2 people have been a saying it multiple times? Some people have said it so it's worth discussing. Let's not start digging anyone out. Opinions are healthy |
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Signed or unsigned , by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 21:23:03 GMT 1, who is digging anyone out?
Last bit from me on this thread. You asked a question, I gave my opinion. Sorry about that
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who is digging anyone out?
Last bit from me on this thread. You asked a question, I gave my opinion. Sorry about that
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Signed or unsigned , by phat planet on Mar 17, 2017 21:28:58 GMT 1, Split the difference... Go get a Unsigned red stamped "Banksy" Barcode..
Split the difference... Go get a Unsigned red stamped "Banksy" Barcode..
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Signed or unsigned , by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 17, 2017 22:28:35 GMT 1, Haha the world still like to act like they don't. That's what matters. So in answer to your first question
My prints have gone up between 15k-20k for each ย in the time I've known his identity
That makes no sense.
The world doesn't 'know' his 'identity'.
There's no correlation between what you think you 'know' and the value of prints. Sorry.
Haha the world still like to act like they don't. That's what matters. So in answer to your first question
My prints have gone up between 15k-20k for each ย in the time I've known his identity
That makes no sense. The world doesn't 'know' his 'identity'. There's no correlation between what you think you 'know' and the value of prints. Sorry. |
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Signed or unsigned , by Pysgod on Mar 17, 2017 22:40:59 GMT 1, So in answer to your first question
My prints have gone up between 15k-20k for each in the time I've known his identity
*The world doesn't 'know' his 'identity'. There's no correlation between what you think you 'know' and the value of prints. Sorry.
Now you know how I feel reading your posts 
*Anybody that wants to know, Knows
So in answer to your first question
My prints have gone up between 15k-20k for each in the time I've known his identity
*The world doesn't 'know' his 'identity'. There's no correlation between what you think you 'know' and the value of prints. Sorry.
Now you know how I feel reading your posts
*Anybody that wants to know, Knows
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Signed or unsigned , by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 18, 2017 2:37:16 GMT 1, That makes no sense.
*The world doesn't 'know' his 'identity'. There's no correlation between what you think you 'know' and the value of prints. Sorry.
Now you know how I feel reading your posts
*Anybody that wants to know, Knows
Cool!
So back to the question. How does anonymity play into prices?
That makes no sense.
*The world doesn't 'know' his 'identity'. There's no correlation between what you think you 'know' and the value of prints. Sorry.
Now you know how I feel reading your posts
*Anybody that wants to know, Knows
Cool! So back to the question. How does anonymity play into prices? |
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