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brookvale
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by brookvale on Apr 4, 2017 21:32:48 GMT 1, That's very low! Wonder what's the condition like
That's very low! Wonder what's the condition like
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avec art
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by avec art on Apr 4, 2017 23:17:52 GMT 1, The full sheet, in good condition apart from some minor scuffing (visible only in a raking light), slight creasing along extreme lower edge of sheet and at tips, a tiny stain in lower margin at right, remains of cellophane tape at corners verso, slight handling creases, unframed.
The full sheet, in good condition apart from some minor scuffing (visible only in a raking light), slight creasing along extreme lower edge of sheet and at tips, a tiny stain in lower margin at right, remains of cellophane tape at corners verso, slight handling creases, unframed.
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jluhiex
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by jluhiex on Apr 4, 2017 23:54:30 GMT 1, Urban art is always undervalued at major auction houses. If you were to put Invader pieces up right now there would be a 2-3x difference between hammer and estimates.
Urban art is always undervalued at major auction houses. If you were to put Invader pieces up right now there would be a 2-3x difference between hammer and estimates.
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nex
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by nex on Apr 4, 2017 23:57:02 GMT 1, The full sheet, in good condition apart from some minor scuffing (visible only in a raking light), slight creasing along extreme lower edge of sheet and at tips, a tiny stain in lower margin at right, remains of cellophane tape at corners verso, slight handling creases, unframed.
So not in good condition then
The full sheet, in good condition apart from some minor scuffing (visible only in a raking light), slight creasing along extreme lower edge of sheet and at tips, a tiny stain in lower margin at right, remains of cellophane tape at corners verso, slight handling creases, unframed. So not in good condition then
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avec art
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by avec art on Apr 5, 2017 0:08:52 GMT 1, It doesn't sound too bad, but they could be playing it down. I think you need to see in person first.
It doesn't sound too bad, but they could be playing it down. I think you need to see in person first.
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Pattycakes
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by Pattycakes on Apr 5, 2017 7:57:02 GMT 1, I saw it, it's not great to be honest. Not terrible, but not great
I saw it, it's not great to be honest. Not terrible, but not great
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barsukauk
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by barsukauk on Apr 5, 2017 8:00:36 GMT 1,
Is the print yours???
Becouse is already in 11k + comisiรณn
Is the print yours??? Becouse is already in 11k + comisiรณn
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 8:12:15 GMT 1, The full sheet, in good condition apart from some minor scuffing (visible only in a raking light), slight creasing along extreme lower edge of sheet and at tips, a tiny stain in lower margin at right, remains of cellophane tape at corners verso, slight handling creases, unframed. So not in good condition then sounds like the condition of a good number of 14 year old prints to me. Have hardly ever seen any prints from around this time, particularly those with sizeable area's of black, in pristine condition although I know of a couple of LIITA's that have been sent to Bignall for touch up and the results have been excellent.
Regardless of condition, this estimate is ludicrous and auction houses in general do themselves no favours in stating estimates of this ilk.
The full sheet, in good condition apart from some minor scuffing (visible only in a raking light), slight creasing along extreme lower edge of sheet and at tips, a tiny stain in lower margin at right, remains of cellophane tape at corners verso, slight handling creases, unframed. So not in good condition then sounds like the condition of a good number of 14 year old prints to me. Have hardly ever seen any prints from around this time, particularly those with sizeable area's of black, in pristine condition although I know of a couple of LIITA's that have been sent to Bignall for touch up and the results have been excellent.
Regardless of condition, this estimate is ludicrous and auction houses in general do themselves no favours in stating estimates of this ilk.
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tran16
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by tran16 on Apr 5, 2017 10:43:57 GMT 1,
The Hodgkin went for ยฃ6k
The Hodgkin went for ยฃ6k
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 15:43:24 GMT 1, Flower Thrower ยฃ16k hammer
Flower Thrower ยฃ16k hammer
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tran16
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by tran16 on Apr 5, 2017 15:43:49 GMT 1, Banksy ยฃ16k hammer
Banksy ยฃ16k hammer
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 15:43:59 GMT 1, Buyer paid ยฃ20k......
Buyer paid ยฃ20k......
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tran16
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by tran16 on Apr 5, 2017 15:45:42 GMT 1, more as you pay VAT on the ยฃ4k buyer's premium
more as you pay VAT on the ยฃ4k buyer's premium
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cyberkid
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by cyberkid on Apr 5, 2017 15:47:03 GMT 1, yes. 20k for a bad condition print... i am sure a good condition print can reach the s&s area !
yes. 20k for a bad condition print... i am sure a good condition print can reach the s&s area !
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 15:53:43 GMT 1, that would be a 15k jump, me thinks not.......
that would be a 15k jump, me thinks not.......
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mla
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by mla on Apr 5, 2017 16:27:07 GMT 1, more as you pay VAT on the ยฃ4k buyer's premium Not necessarily.
more as you pay VAT on the ยฃ4k buyer's premium Not necessarily.
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cyberkid
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by cyberkid on Apr 5, 2017 16:38:22 GMT 1, that would be a 15k jump, me thinks not....... no limit ;-) imo liita is with gwb his best image. did you see it again in the walled off ?! - great !
that would be a 15k jump, me thinks not....... no limit ;-) imo liita is with gwb his best image. did you see it again in the walled off ?! - great !
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Laugh Now 10
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by Laugh Now 10 on Apr 5, 2017 17:16:55 GMT 1, that would be a 15k jump, me thinks not....... no limit ;-)ย imo liita is with Girl With Balloon his best image. did you see it again in the walled off ?! - great !
LIITA is a great image but not the best release as a print. The red/black color combo, IMO, is not the "friendliest" to the eye. And yes, the triptych @ the Walled Off is a killer piece!
that would be a 15k jump, me thinks not....... no limit ;-)ย imo liita is with Girl With Balloon his best image. did you see it again in the walled off ?! - great ! LIITA is a great image but not the best release as a print. The red/black color combo, IMO, is not the "friendliest" to the eye. And yes, the triptych @ the Walled Off is a killer piece!
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by phat planet on Apr 5, 2017 18:05:50 GMT 1, unsigned 20k with buyers ++ -- wow
unsigned 20k with buyers ++ -- wow
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by Fish in the Sea on Apr 5, 2017 18:35:32 GMT 1, yes. 20k for a bad condition print... i am sure a good condition print can reach the s&s area ! If someone wants to pay a silly price for a mint one please pm ๐บ๐ผ
yes. 20k for a bad condition print... i am sure a good condition print can reach the s&s area ! If someone wants to pay a silly price for a mint one please pm ๐บ๐ผ
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Pipes
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by Pipes on Apr 5, 2017 18:39:32 GMT 1, yes. 20k for a bad condition print... i am sure a good condition print can reach the s&s area ! If someone wants to pay a silly price for a mint one please pm ๐บ๐ผ Silly being low or high?
yes. 20k for a bad condition print... i am sure a good condition print can reach the s&s area ! If someone wants to pay a silly price for a mint one please pm ๐บ๐ผ Silly being low or high?
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by Fish in the Sea on Apr 5, 2017 18:44:24 GMT 1, If someone wants to pay a silly price for a mint one please pm ๐บ๐ผ Silly being low or high? Ahahah
If someone wants to pay a silly price for a mint one please pm ๐บ๐ผ Silly being low or high? Ahahah
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daveart
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by daveart on Apr 5, 2017 20:23:30 GMT 1, I have to wonder if something like this means that eventually the unsigned and signed gap will decrease or increase . I used to understand when these were 3K why you might pay an extra 2k to get a signed one. but at some point paying an extra 10-20K for a signature is just mind blowing. anyone put any time into this? whats the general gap now with signed vs unsigned on these now ..14 year old prints.
I have to wonder if something like this means that eventually the unsigned and signed gap will decrease or increase . I used to understand when these were 3K why you might pay an extra 2k to get a signed one. but at some point paying an extra 10-20K for a signature is just mind blowing. anyone put any time into this? whats the general gap now with signed vs unsigned on these now ..14 year old prints.
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Laugh Now 10
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by Laugh Now 10 on Apr 5, 2017 20:32:54 GMT 1, I have to wonder if something like this means that eventually the unsigned and signed gap will decrease or increase . I used to understand when these were 3K why you might pay an extra 2k to get a signed one. but at some point paying an extra 10-20K for a signature is just mind blowing. anyone put any time into this? whats the general gap now with signed vs unsigned on these now ..14 year old prints.
For a LIITA you are talking approximately 3x difference between signed and unsigned prints. As for other prints, the gap would depend on the image of the piece ... and then you have prints like S&S and NOLA that have no unsigned companion print and those have gone up significantly in value with additional monetary increases to follow (I believe)
I have to wonder if something like this means that eventually the unsigned and signed gap will decrease or increase . I used to understand when these were 3K why you might pay an extra 2k to get a signed one. but at some point paying an extra 10-20K for a signature is just mind blowing. anyone put any time into this? whats the general gap now with signed vs unsigned on these now ..14 year old prints. For a LIITA you are talking approximately 3x difference between signed and unsigned prints. As for other prints, the gap would depend on the image of the piece ... and then you have prints like S&S and NOLA that have no unsigned companion print and those have gone up significantly in value with additional monetary increases to follow (I believe)
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daveart
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by daveart on Apr 5, 2017 20:41:13 GMT 1, I have to wonder if something like this means that eventually the unsigned and signed gap will decrease or increase . I used to understand when these were 3K why you might pay an extra 2k to get a signed one. but at some point paying an extra 10-20K for a signature is just mind blowing. anyone put any time into this? whats the general gap now with signed vs unsigned on these now ..14 year old prints. For a LIITA you are talking approximately 3x difference between signed and unsigned prints. As for other prints, the gap would depend on the image of the piece ... and then you have prints like S&S and NOLA that have no unsigned companion print and those have gone up significantly in value with additional monetary increases to follow (I believe)
wow. 3X ... seriously .. 60K for a signed Flower Thrower ?? i had no idea..
I have to wonder if something like this means that eventually the unsigned and signed gap will decrease or increase . I used to understand when these were 3K why you might pay an extra 2k to get a signed one. but at some point paying an extra 10-20K for a signature is just mind blowing. anyone put any time into this? whats the general gap now with signed vs unsigned on these now ..14 year old prints. For a LIITA you are talking approximately 3x difference between signed and unsigned prints. As for other prints, the gap would depend on the image of the piece ... and then you have prints like S&S and NOLA that have no unsigned companion print and those have gone up significantly in value with additional monetary increases to follow (I believe) wow. 3X ... seriously .. 60K for a signed Flower Thrower ?? i had no idea..
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 20:45:13 GMT 1, For a LIITA you are talking approximately 3x difference between signed and unsigned prints. As for other prints, the gap would depend on the image of the piece ... and then you have prints like S&S and NOLA that have no unsigned companion print and those have gone up significantly in value with additional monetary increases to follow (I believe) wow. 3X ... seriously .. 60K for a signed Flower Thrower ?? i had no idea..
I think 3x is a good bench mark to work with across all Banksy prints.
For a LIITA you are talking approximately 3x difference between signed and unsigned prints. As for other prints, the gap would depend on the image of the piece ... and then you have prints like S&S and NOLA that have no unsigned companion print and those have gone up significantly in value with additional monetary increases to follow (I believe) wow. 3X ... seriously .. 60K for a signed Flower Thrower ?? i had no idea.. I think 3x is a good bench mark to work with across all Banksy prints.
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Laugh Now 10
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by Laugh Now 10 on Apr 5, 2017 20:58:06 GMT 1, For a LIITA you are talking approximately 3x difference between signed and unsigned prints. As for other prints, the gap would depend on the image of the piece ... and then you have prints like S&S and NOLA that have no unsigned companion print and those have gone up significantly in value with additional monetary increases to follow (I believe) wow. 3X ... seriously .. 60K for a signed Flower Thrower ?? i had no idea..
I believe a signed LIITA is closer to $50K-$55K but yes
For a LIITA you are talking approximately 3x difference between signed and unsigned prints. As for other prints, the gap would depend on the image of the piece ... and then you have prints like S&S and NOLA that have no unsigned companion print and those have gone up significantly in value with additional monetary increases to follow (I believe) wow. 3X ... seriously .. 60K for a signed Flower Thrower ?? i had no idea.. I believe a signed LIITA is closer to $50K-$55K but yes
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by daveart on Apr 5, 2017 21:00:18 GMT 1, wow. 3X ... seriously .. 60K for a signed Flower Thrower ?? i had no idea.. I believe a signed LIITA is closer to $50K-$55K but yes
wait then ... this Unsigned sold for 20GBP --- so we are mixing and matching GBP and USD ---
unsigned sale - 20K GBP -s maybe 30K USD .. so you are talking LESS than 2X for signed in USD .. not 3x ..
still a huge hefty gap that has existed for 10 years at about double .. amazing really ..
wow. 3X ... seriously .. 60K for a signed Flower Thrower ?? i had no idea.. I believe a signed LIITA is closer to $50K-$55K but yes wait then ... this Unsigned sold for 20GBP --- so we are mixing and matching GBP and USD --- unsigned sale - 20K GBP -s maybe 30K USD .. so you are talking LESS than 2X for signed in USD .. not 3x .. still a huge hefty gap that has existed for 10 years at about double .. amazing really ..
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Laugh Now 10
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Banksy Flower Thrower @ Sotheby's Made in Britain auction 5th April, by Laugh Now 10 on Apr 5, 2017 21:22:07 GMT 1, I believe a signed LIITA is closer to $50K-$55K but yes wait then ... this Unsigned sold for 20GBP --- so we are mixing and matching GBP and USD --- unsigned sale - 20K GBP -s maybe 30K USD .. so you are talking LESS than 2Xย for signed in USD .. not 3x .. still a huge hefty gap that has existed for 10 years at about double ..ย amazing really ..
Ah yes, mate, I was working with these numbers just based on pricing I have seen/heard and no, I don't own a LIITA signed or unsigned. Unsigned: $15K-$20K USD Sogned: $45K-$55K USD (the "AP" would be on the higher end of that estimate).
Cheers
I believe a signed LIITA is closer to $50K-$55K but yes wait then ... this Unsigned sold for 20GBP --- so we are mixing and matching GBP and USD --- unsigned sale - 20K GBP -s maybe 30K USD .. so you are talking LESS than 2Xย for signed in USD .. not 3x .. still a huge hefty gap that has existed for 10 years at about double ..ย amazing really .. Ah yes, mate, I was working with these numbers just based on pricing I have seen/heard and no, I don't own a LIITA signed or unsigned. Unsigned: $15K-$20K USD Sogned: $45K-$55K USD (the "AP" would be on the higher end of that estimate). Cheers
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