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WOOF
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NYC raging bull and fearless girl article, by WOOF on Apr 17, 2017 18:46:03 GMT 1, I'll preface this by saying I'm friends with the two creatives that came up with the fearless girl idea.
The bull is, for all intents and purposes, street art. Di Modica is upset because he thinks the girl changes the
meaning of his statue. And to some extent, he's right. But just like a street artist, once the work is in the street, you don't get a say in how it's viewed, or coopted. The dude installed an illegal statue. Not sure what he's got to complain about.
I'll preface this by saying I'm friends with the two creatives that came up with the fearless girl idea.
The bull is, for all intents and purposes, street art. Di Modica is upset because he thinks the girl changes the
meaning of his statue. And to some extent, he's right. But just like a street artist, once the work is in the street, you don't get a say in how it's viewed, or coopted. The dude installed an illegal statue. Not sure what he's got to complain about.
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NYC raging bull and fearless girl article, by Rouen Cathedral on Apr 17, 2017 18:59:28 GMT 1, I'll preface this by saying I'm friends with the two creatives that came up with the fearless girl idea. The bull is, for all intents and purposes, street art. Di Modica is upset because he thinks the girl changes the meaning of his statue. And to some extent, he's right. But just like a street artist, once the work is in the street, you don't get a say in how it's viewed, or coopted. The dude installed an illegal statue. Not sure what he's got to complain about.
Interesting points. I think it's fair to understand his complaint but I think you are right that it's in the street. If he wants to move it then go ahead!
You got some inside information! Thoughts on the 'meaning' of the girl. Is it just some marketing playing on lack of knowledge of the viewer as the article portrays?
I'll preface this by saying I'm friends with the two creatives that came up with the fearless girl idea. The bull is, for all intents and purposes, street art. Di Modica is upset because he thinks the girl changes the meaning of his statue. And to some extent, he's right. But just like a street artist, once the work is in the street, you don't get a say in how it's viewed, or coopted. The dude installed an illegal statue. Not sure what he's got to complain about. Interesting points. I think it's fair to understand his complaint but I think you are right that it's in the street. If he wants to move it then go ahead! You got some inside information! Thoughts on the 'meaning' of the girl. Is it just some marketing playing on lack of knowledge of the viewer as the article portrays? |
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WOOF
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NYC raging bull and fearless girl article, by WOOF on Apr 17, 2017 20:05:36 GMT 1, I'll preface this by saying I'm friends with the two creatives that came up with the fearless girl idea. The bull is, for all intents and purposes, street art. Di Modica is upset because he thinks the girl changes the meaning of his statue. And to some extent, he's right. But just like a street artist, once the work is in the street, you don't get a say in how it's viewed, or coopted. The dude installed an illegal statue. Not sure what he's got to complain about. Interesting points. I think it's fair to understand his complaint but I think you are right that it's in the street. If he wants to move it then go ahead! You got some inside information! Thoughts on the 'meaning' of the girl. Is it just some marketing playing on lack of knowledge of the viewer as the article portrays?
Well, the statue was done for State Street. Here's a quote from their CEO:
โA key contributor to effective independent board leadership is diversity of thought, which requires directors with different skills, backgrounds and expertise,โ he said. โToday, we are calling on companies to take concrete steps to increase gender diversity on their boards and have issued clear guidance to help them begin to take action.โ
So basically, they want to motivate companies to hire more women to their executive boards. And if I'm not mistaken, they're trying to make those changes within their own business as well.
I'll preface this by saying I'm friends with the two creatives that came up with the fearless girl idea. The bull is, for all intents and purposes, street art. Di Modica is upset because he thinks the girl changes the meaning of his statue. And to some extent, he's right. But just like a street artist, once the work is in the street, you don't get a say in how it's viewed, or coopted. The dude installed an illegal statue. Not sure what he's got to complain about. Interesting points. I think it's fair to understand his complaint but I think you are right that it's in the street. If he wants to move it then go ahead! You got some inside information! Thoughts on the 'meaning' of the girl. Is it just some marketing playing on lack of knowledge of the viewer as the article portrays? Well, the statue was done for State Street. Here's a quote from their CEO: โA key contributor to effective independent board leadership is diversity of thought, which requires directors with different skills, backgrounds and expertise,โ he said. โToday, we are calling on companies to take concrete steps to increase gender diversity on their boards and have issued clear guidance to help them begin to take action.โ So basically, they want to motivate companies to hire more women to their executive boards. And if I'm not mistaken, they're trying to make those changes within their own business as well. |
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NYC raging bull and fearless girl article, by randomname on Apr 17, 2017 20:47:54 GMT 1, There are a few different issues here. Legality, ethics and public perception.
Legally, Di Modica has a permit for his statue. The fact that he initially installed it without a permit doesn't affect his rights as the copyright holder. And under copyright law, another artist is not allowed to use his work without his permission. That's clearly the case here. So he could have the permit revoked for the fearless girl statue and have it removed if decides to pursue it.
Ethically, it has always been a big no no to incorporate someone else's street art into your own. You can go over someone's work, but you shouldn't use it as an element in your own work. That's how the whole Banksy vs. Robbo feud started.
As far as public perception goes, Di Modicat is in a no-win situation. If he has the girl statue removed, people will say he's the problem with Wall Street. Trying to silence women and all of that. And if he leaves it in place, he has the original meaning of his art subverted by an ad agency. Hard to say which is the greater indignity.
Personally, I think the agency and their client should do the right thing and respect the wishes of the artist. If someone infringes on their copyrights, I don't think they'd be so dismissive.
There are a few different issues here. Legality, ethics and public perception.
Legally, Di Modica has a permit for his statue. The fact that he initially installed it without a permit doesn't affect his rights as the copyright holder. And under copyright law, another artist is not allowed to use his work without his permission. That's clearly the case here. So he could have the permit revoked for the fearless girl statue and have it removed if decides to pursue it.
Ethically, it has always been a big no no to incorporate someone else's street art into your own. You can go over someone's work, but you shouldn't use it as an element in your own work. That's how the whole Banksy vs. Robbo feud started.
As far as public perception goes, Di Modicat is in a no-win situation. If he has the girl statue removed, people will say he's the problem with Wall Street. Trying to silence women and all of that. And if he leaves it in place, he has the original meaning of his art subverted by an ad agency. Hard to say which is the greater indignity.
Personally, I think the agency and their client should do the right thing and respect the wishes of the artist. If someone infringes on their copyrights, I don't think they'd be so dismissive.
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NYC raging bull and fearless girl article, by Rouen Cathedral on Apr 17, 2017 20:50:03 GMT 1, Interesting points. I think it's fair to understand his complaint but I think you are right that it's in the street. If he wants to move it then go ahead! You got some inside information! Thoughts on the 'meaning' of the girl. Is it just some marketing playing on lack of knowledge of the viewer as the article portrays? Well, the statue was done for State Street. Here's a quote from their CEO: โA key contributor to effective independent board leadership is diversity of thought, which requires directors with different skills, backgrounds and expertise,โ he said. โToday, we are calling on companies to take concrete steps to increase gender diversity on their boards and have issued clear guidance to help them begin to take action.โ So basically, they want to motivate companies to hire more women to their executive boards. And if I'm not mistaken, they're trying to make those changes within their own business as well.
Hope they take their own advice. I thought i saw that only 3/25 or something members of their board are female.
Very interesting how knowing the background and history of both statues can really inform and opinion opposed to the 'narrative' one may see on social media.
Interesting points. I think it's fair to understand his complaint but I think you are right that it's in the street. If he wants to move it then go ahead! You got some inside information! Thoughts on the 'meaning' of the girl. Is it just some marketing playing on lack of knowledge of the viewer as the article portrays? Well, the statue was done for State Street. Here's a quote from their CEO: โA key contributor to effective independent board leadership is diversity of thought, which requires directors with different skills, backgrounds and expertise,โ he said. โToday, we are calling on companies to take concrete steps to increase gender diversity on their boards and have issued clear guidance to help them begin to take action.โ So basically, they want to motivate companies to hire more women to their executive boards. And if I'm not mistaken, they're trying to make those changes within their own business as well. Hope they take their own advice. I thought i saw that only 3/25 or something members of their board are female. Very interesting how knowing the background and history of both statues can really inform and opinion opposed to the 'narrative' one may see on social media. |
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NYC raging bull and fearless girl article, by Rouen Cathedral on Apr 17, 2017 22:06:03 GMT 1,
Jerry Saltz. Lol
Has that guy ever had anything good to say? Haha
Jerry Saltz. Lol Has that guy ever had anything good to say? Haha |
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