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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 11:44:37 GMT 1, It's all coming up trumps for those who don't cry over the giclee word!
It's all coming up trumps for those who don't cry over the giclee word!
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by jig5aw on Jun 21, 2017 12:11:08 GMT 1, I had received my package without the cap. I guess it got knocked off during transit. Should have been taped though. Hopefully you can get another one. that was lucky yours arrived in one piece then!! Lucky with the current weather I guess!
I sent them a message yeasterday afternoon! Not heard back yet but will give them some time!
I had received my package without the cap. I guess it got knocked off during transit. Should have been taped though. Hopefully you can get another one. that was lucky yours arrived in one piece then!! Lucky with the current weather I guess! I sent them a message yeasterday afternoon! Not heard back yet but will give them some time!
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by kennas on Jun 21, 2017 13:17:04 GMT 1, Jonny Niesche Avail now.
Looks pretty good to me
Jonny Niesche Avail now.
Looks pretty good to me
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by 25127096 on Jun 21, 2017 14:29:36 GMT 1, Oh dear!! Hope no one else has the same issue!! Mine turned up damaged yesterday!! Hopefully I can get a replacement as was excited about this one!!
That's unfortunate mate hope you get it sorted.
Oh dear!! Hope no one else has the same issue!! Mine turned up damaged yesterday!! Hopefully I can get a replacement as was excited about this one!! That's unfortunate mate hope you get it sorted.
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by pinfra on Jun 21, 2017 14:47:31 GMT 1, Mine is perfect condition!
Mine is perfect condition!
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by wisky on Jun 21, 2017 17:55:43 GMT 1, Arh, but is the Jonny Niesche a Giclee, screen-pulled or didg printed...... Lol
Arh, but is the Jonny Niesche a Giclee, screen-pulled or didg printed...... Lol
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by charliem on Jun 21, 2017 18:55:30 GMT 1, Yep, print is awesome. Very happy. Great packaging.
Yep, print is awesome. Very happy. Great packaging.
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by jig5aw on Jun 21, 2017 20:22:30 GMT 1, Gutted
Gutted
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by Acme Thunderer on Jun 21, 2017 20:25:16 GMT 1, Received mine today so was very pleased with the print and then getting the email for a vat refund.
Did every else get one of the Avant Arte fabric bags in their packaging?
Received mine today so was very pleased with the print and then getting the email for a vat refund.
Did every else get one of the Avant Arte fabric bags in their packaging?
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by Artfan13 on Jun 21, 2017 20:37:51 GMT 1, Received mine today so was very pleased with the print and then getting the email for a vat refund. Did every else get one of the Avant Arte fabric bags in their packaging? Yes I think everyone got a bag...it's the only reason I bought the print
Received mine today so was very pleased with the print and then getting the email for a vat refund. Did every else get one of the Avant Arte fabric bags in their packaging? Yes I think everyone got a bag...it's the only reason I bought the print
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by 25127096 on Jun 21, 2017 20:47:26 GMT 1, Gutted for ya
Gutted for ya
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by avec art on Jun 21, 2017 20:56:19 GMT 1, v. unlucky, it looks like it's been run over by the forklift. On the plus side the gallery appears to be taking good care of the situation.
v. unlucky, it looks like it's been run over by the forklift. On the plus side the gallery appears to be taking good care of the situation.
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by Flashback on Jun 21, 2017 21:45:24 GMT 1, Received mine today so was very pleased with the print and then getting the email for a vat refund. Did every else get one of the Avant Arte fabric bags in their packaging? I would be asking them how the bag was created and which fabric was used:D
Received mine today so was very pleased with the print and then getting the email for a vat refund. Did every else get one of the Avant Arte fabric bags in their packaging? I would be asking them how the bag was created and which fabric was used:D
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by Matt on Jun 21, 2017 22:39:16 GMT 1, Received mine today so was very pleased with the print and then getting the email for a vat refund. Did every else get one of the Avant Arte fabric bags in their packaging? I would be asking them how the bag was createdย and which fabric was used:D
Don't bother, they'll just bullshit you unnecessarily like they did for the print.
Received mine today so was very pleased with the print and then getting the email for a vat refund. Did every else get one of the Avant Arte fabric bags in their packaging? I would be asking them how the bag was createdย and which fabric was used:D Don't bother, they'll just bullshit you unnecessarily like they did for the print.
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by Andy 123 on Jun 21, 2017 22:54:32 GMT 1, Sooner or later all of the collectors and galleries faced a situation like this. So its always good to have 2 prints left from (larger) edition for such issues. Or replace it with AP... Hope all be good soon!
Sooner or later all of the collectors and galleries faced a situation like this. So its always good to have 2 prints left from (larger) edition for such issues. Or replace it with AP... Hope all be good soon!
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 23:51:36 GMT 1, Do you lot have any idea how cheap and simple it is to make a digital printout, you've been wearing ignorance like a badge of honour, this slick team can sell you anything. I'm sure there will be much more like this coming your way soon. Who cares how much it cost to produce. What difference does it make honestly? For me personally I like the artist, I like the image, and the print came out looking amazing. I've not heard a single person complain about the quality once received. I'd happily buy more prints of this quality. At the end of the day it is much more than just a digital print out.
Do you lot have any idea how cheap and simple it is to make a digital printout, you've been wearing ignorance like a badge of honour, this slick team can sell you anything. I'm sure there will be much more like this coming your way soon. Who cares how much it cost to produce. What difference does it make honestly? For me personally I like the artist, I like the image, and the print came out looking amazing. I've not heard a single person complain about the quality once received. I'd happily buy more prints of this quality. At the end of the day it is much more than just a digital print out.
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 0:37:42 GMT 1, well, I do kind of agree with you there, but in my mind the cost of production sometimes has a bearing on the price. But I know this idea can quickly go out the window. It's amazing what can be achieved these days, go into any paperchase or similar, take a look at their cards, you'll see embossing, reflective inks and glitter, the works, and I think here with the art they are entering new territory. I consider myself a bit of a nerd around process so I think I understand your point of view here but to be clear are you comparing the finished product of these prints to a greeting card?
well, I do kind of agree with you there, but in my mind the cost of production sometimes has a bearing on the price. But I know this idea can quickly go out the window. It's amazing what can be achieved these days, go into any paperchase or similar, take a look at their cards, you'll see embossing, reflective inks and glitter, the works, and I think here with the art they are entering new territory. I consider myself a bit of a nerd around process so I think I understand your point of view here but to be clear are you comparing the finished product of these prints to a greeting card?
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by nobokov on Jun 22, 2017 0:50:41 GMT 1, well, I do kind of agree with you there, but in my mind the cost of production sometimes has a bearing on the price. But I know this idea can quickly go out the window. It's amazing what can be achieved these days, go into any paperchase or similar, take a look at their cards, you'll see embossing, reflective inks and glitter, the works, and I think here with the art they are entering new territory. I completely agree with you. Especially with Originals. Last week I walked into Pace Gallery and insisted that they discount the Hockney painting I was looking at. Judging by the cost of the canvas, stretchers, and the oil paints, I argued that it should cost no more than $250.
Btw, I do NOT recommend purchasing from Pace Gallery as they tend to cackle at their potential customers for no apparent reason. RUDE!
well, I do kind of agree with you there, but in my mind the cost of production sometimes has a bearing on the price. But I know this idea can quickly go out the window. It's amazing what can be achieved these days, go into any paperchase or similar, take a look at their cards, you'll see embossing, reflective inks and glitter, the works, and I think here with the art they are entering new territory. I completely agree with you. Especially with Originals. Last week I walked into Pace Gallery and insisted that they discount the Hockney painting I was looking at. Judging by the cost of the canvas, stretchers, and the oil paints, I argued that it should cost no more than $250. Btw, I do NOT recommend purchasing from Pace Gallery as they tend to cackle at their potential customers for no apparent reason. RUDE!
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by avec art on Jun 22, 2017 1:07:52 GMT 1, To be clear .. I am not. What I am saying is, that techniques which can now be achieved by machines are far more amazing than they were just a few years ago when giclees were first appearing on the art market. While me among others are wowed by the look of these, it is something that can be relatively cheaply done (as we both agree not that it really matters). But I think there is a very worthwhile discussion to be had .. the influence of modern printing methods (and I have boring stuff to say on the subject) but this thread is not the place for it. It seems to me as some of you are searching for a hater or similar to take somesort of moral position on and I think you're probably barking up the wrong tree.
To be clear .. I am not. What I am saying is, that techniques which can now be achieved by machines are far more amazing than they were just a few years ago when giclees were first appearing on the art market. While me among others are wowed by the look of these, it is something that can be relatively cheaply done (as we both agree not that it really matters). But I think there is a very worthwhile discussion to be had .. the influence of modern printing methods (and I have boring stuff to say on the subject) but this thread is not the place for it. It seems to me as some of you are searching for a hater or similar to take somesort of moral position on and I think you're probably barking up the wrong tree.
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by nighthawk on Jun 22, 2017 1:33:42 GMT 1, Some people will never buy a giclee out of sheer principle. Also, I've come across far pricier giclees than these. Harland Miller's anyone?
Some people will never buy a giclee out of sheer principle. Also, I've come across far pricier giclees than these. Harland Miller's anyone?
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by spirit on Jun 22, 2017 1:46:51 GMT 1, Art cave - you say some very sensible things like your post above, but you also say some things which are inevitably going to get people's backs up and bring hate your way like:
"Do you lot have any idea how cheap and simple it is to make a digital printout, you've been wearing ignorance like a badge of honour, this slick team can sell you anything. I'm sure there will be much more like this coming your way soon."
Surprisingly, people both individually and collectively, don't like being told you think they are ignorant and naive.
Regarding the print, the question that should be asked by the printer when asked to reproduce an existing original is "how can I best utilise the tools and techniques at my disposal to achieve the desired result" - in this instance I think the printer has excelled himself (and I say that as someone who has worked closely in a professional capacity with printers for 25 years).
You are right that the costs of production are a factor (one of many, and certainly not the main one) in the cost of the artwork, but I think you underestimate the costs associated with this particular print. Having 4 separate processes - screen printed background, then digital, then varnish, then emboss is a very different thing from just knocking out a digital or say a 4 colour screen print.
Art cave - you say some very sensible things like your post above, but you also say some things which are inevitably going to get people's backs up and bring hate your way like:
"Do you lot have any idea how cheap and simple it is to make a digital printout, you've been wearing ignorance like a badge of honour, this slick team can sell you anything. I'm sure there will be much more like this coming your way soon."
Surprisingly, people both individually and collectively, don't like being told you think they are ignorant and naive.
Regarding the print, the question that should be asked by the printer when asked to reproduce an existing original is "how can I best utilise the tools and techniques at my disposal to achieve the desired result" - in this instance I think the printer has excelled himself (and I say that as someone who has worked closely in a professional capacity with printers for 25 years).
You are right that the costs of production are a factor (one of many, and certainly not the main one) in the cost of the artwork, but I think you underestimate the costs associated with this particular print. Having 4 separate processes - screen printed background, then digital, then varnish, then emboss is a very different thing from just knocking out a digital or say a 4 colour screen print.
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by Gentle Mental on Jun 22, 2017 3:34:50 GMT 1, you're buying the image. not the print.
and these images are worth every cent (and more)
you're buying the image. not the print.
and these images are worth every cent (and more)
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by J0NNY on Jun 22, 2017 5:22:47 GMT 1, Artcave I agree does make some good points but it also comes across as they have some sort of vendetta against this particular set of prints or artist. Murakami, Harland and Hockney release less technical prints for above this price point yet they are (mostly) still worth even more on the secondary. Is this not some sort of evidence that artist or even image sometimes will come before method or technique used on people's preferences. I know I would rather have a good image that was easily made than a poor image made with blood sweat and tears. People ( me included ) will pay good cash for prints where the artist can't even be arsed to sign it after the process is over and it looks like Katrin has overseen the whole process tinkering with the aspects until she Was happy with end product. I am yet to see the prints so I can't comment on whether or not it lives up to its promise but they sure look fine from the photos I've seen and looks are the most important thing when it comes to art.
Artcave I agree does make some good points but it also comes across as they have some sort of vendetta against this particular set of prints or artist. Murakami, Harland and Hockney release less technical prints for above this price point yet they are (mostly) still worth even more on the secondary. Is this not some sort of evidence that artist or even image sometimes will come before method or technique used on people's preferences. I know I would rather have a good image that was easily made than a poor image made with blood sweat and tears. People ( me included ) will pay good cash for prints where the artist can't even be arsed to sign it after the process is over and it looks like Katrin has overseen the whole process tinkering with the aspects until she Was happy with end product. I am yet to see the prints so I can't comment on whether or not it lives up to its promise but they sure look fine from the photos I've seen and looks are the most important thing when it comes to art.
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by rosac on Jun 22, 2017 12:30:32 GMT 1, seems to me Avant arte and katrin fridriks have managed to produce two truly beautiful prints. and people still find a way to have a moan.
seems to me Avant arte and katrin fridriks have managed to produce two truly beautiful prints. and people still find a way to have a moan.
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by gmidd on Jun 22, 2017 13:49:43 GMT 1, Got my prints yesterday and they look AMAZING, unfortunately though they both arrived damaged. :-( The bottom edges slid out of the cardboard sandwich and they both got creased. Really hope they kept back a few for replacements.
Got my prints yesterday and they look AMAZING, unfortunately though they both arrived damaged. :-( The bottom edges slid out of the cardboard sandwich and they both got creased. Really hope they kept back a few for replacements.
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by avec art on Jun 22, 2017 14:17:24 GMT 1, I felt irked by the fact that it seemed clear to me that there was much more to this than just a screen print, and I understand that to many of you this is irrelevant.
I love how the glazed area is also raised by embossing, giving a convincing impression of thick paint. Digital and old methods combo is an incredible direction for art prints and I hope to try doing this myself.
It's a pity that to inquire about the technique is to invite the pitchfork crew to silence healthy discussion, and write off natural curiosity as a moan.
I felt irked by the fact that it seemed clear to me that there was much more to this than just a screen print, and I understand that to many of you this is irrelevant.
I love how the glazed area is also raised by embossing, giving a convincing impression of thick paint. Digital and old methods combo is an incredible direction for art prints and I hope to try doing this myself.
It's a pity that to inquire about the technique is to invite the pitchfork crew to silence healthy discussion, and write off natural curiosity as a moan.
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by mla on Jun 22, 2017 14:28:22 GMT 1, You're kind of spinning things now. You made offensive comments, calling out people's ignorance, while looking totally ignorant yourself. There is more to a well produced giclee than pressing print on a computer. For someone so well versed in printing as you claim, you should know that.
You're kind of spinning things now. You made offensive comments, calling out people's ignorance, while looking totally ignorant yourself. There is more to a well produced giclee than pressing print on a computer. For someone so well versed in printing as you claim, you should know that.
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by jimmy on Jun 22, 2017 14:51:43 GMT 1, Got my prints yesterday and they look AMAZING, unfortunately though they both arrived damaged. :-( The bottom edges slid out of the cardboard sandwich and they both got creased. Really hope they kept back a few for replacements. Mine arrived damaged as well. The packaging was impressive but didn't keep the prints from moving around. I did ask about replacements and was told it was unlikely.
Got my prints yesterday and they look AMAZING, unfortunately though they both arrived damaged. :-( The bottom edges slid out of the cardboard sandwich and they both got creased. Really hope they kept back a few for replacements. Mine arrived damaged as well. The packaging was impressive but didn't keep the prints from moving around. I did ask about replacements and was told it was unlikely.
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by Huffster on Jun 22, 2017 14:52:32 GMT 1, Got my prints yesterday and they look AMAZING, unfortunately though they both arrived damaged. :-( The bottom edges slid out of the cardboard sandwich and they both got creased. Really hope they kept back a few for replacements. gmidd, my print also had some slight edge creasing. Where the final hinged bit of cardboard rubbed the print edge... Massively disappointing as it looks STUNNING in the flesh, let's see how the customer service goes from here...
Got my prints yesterday and they look AMAZING, unfortunately though they both arrived damaged. :-( The bottom edges slid out of the cardboard sandwich and they both got creased. Really hope they kept back a few for replacements. gmidd, my print also had some slight edge creasing. Where the final hinged bit of cardboard rubbed the print edge... Massively disappointing as it looks STUNNING in the flesh, let's see how the customer service goes from here...
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Felipe Pantone ๐ฆ๐ท Exhibition News โข Contemporary Art , by spirit on Jun 22, 2017 14:55:05 GMT 1, On the one hand you seem to be stating that the print techniques used are a cheap but flashy way to sell more prints to idiots:
Do you lot have any idea how cheap and simple it is to make a digital printout, you've been wearing ignorance like a badge of honour, this slick team can sell you anything. I'm sure there will be much more like this coming your way soon.
On the other you seem to be praising those very same techniques and are going to employ them yourself.
I felt irked by the fact that it seemed clear to me that there was much more to this than just a screen print, and I understand that to many of you this is irrelevant. I love how the glazed area is also raised by embossing, giving a convincing impression of thick paint. Digital and old methods combo is an incredible direction for art prints and I hope to try doing this myself.
On the one hand you seem to be stating that the print techniques used are a cheap but flashy way to sell more prints to idiots: Do you lot have any idea how cheap and simple it is to make a digital printout, you've been wearing ignorance like a badge of honour, this slick team can sell you anything. I'm sure there will be much more like this coming your way soon. On the other you seem to be praising those very same techniques and are going to employ them yourself. I felt irked by the fact that it seemed clear to me that there was much more to this than just a screen print, and I understand that to many of you this is irrelevant. I love how the glazed area is also raised by embossing, giving a convincing impression of thick paint. Digital and old methods combo is an incredible direction for art prints and I hope to try doing this myself.
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