daws0n
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Framing advice sought, by daws0n on May 24, 2017 11:09:03 GMT 1, Just bought a rare print by hush (74x54cm) and would like to get it framed and mounted.
I have always used a local framer who is careful and considerate - have been quoted ยฃ70 to get the job done. They computer cut mounts to size and use a small amount of masking tape on the top of the print to hold it in place. Cheap and cheerful and looks good enough to me.
However I've not spent this sort of money on a piece of art before - beyond aesthetics, are there any benefits to paying extra at a bespoke framers?
The piece will be displayed out of direct sunlight.
Just bought a rare print by hush (74x54cm) and would like to get it framed and mounted.
I have always used a local framer who is careful and considerate - have been quoted ยฃ70 to get the job done. They computer cut mounts to size and use a small amount of masking tape on the top of the print to hold it in place. Cheap and cheerful and looks good enough to me.
However I've not spent this sort of money on a piece of art before - beyond aesthetics, are there any benefits to paying extra at a bespoke framers?
The piece will be displayed out of direct sunlight.
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Framing advice sought, by Coach on May 24, 2017 11:14:14 GMT 1, Just bought a rare print by hush (74x54cm) and would like to get it framed and mounted. I have always used a local framer who is careful and considerate - have been quoted ยฃ70 to get the job done. They computer cut mounts to size and use a small amount of masking tape on the top of the print to hold it in place. Cheap and cheerful and looks good enough to me. However I've not spent this sort of money on a piece of art before - beyond aesthetics, are there any benefits to paying extra at a bespoke framers? The piece will be displayed out of direct sunlight.
Masking tape should not be used. It's not archival framing. It is often not possible to remove it without damaging the print. That said you won't get archival framing for ยฃ70. If you wish to preserve your artwork, I would suggest that you get it done properly, with proper materials.
Just bought a rare print by hush (74x54cm) and would like to get it framed and mounted. I have always used a local framer who is careful and considerate - have been quoted ยฃ70 to get the job done. They computer cut mounts to size and use a small amount of masking tape on the top of the print to hold it in place. Cheap and cheerful and looks good enough to me. However I've not spent this sort of money on a piece of art before - beyond aesthetics, are there any benefits to paying extra at a bespoke framers? The piece will be displayed out of direct sunlight. Masking tape should not be used. It's not archival framing. It is often not possible to remove it without damaging the print. That said you won't get archival framing for ยฃ70. If you wish to preserve your artwork, I would suggest that you get it done properly, with proper materials. |
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daws0n
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Framing advice sought, by daws0n on May 24, 2017 11:20:04 GMT 1, Thanks. I figured as much. It's not something that's bothered me in the past but as this was an expensive purchase I don't want to risk devaluing it.
Thanks. I figured as much. It's not something that's bothered me in the past but as this was an expensive purchase I don't want to risk devaluing it.
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maxamaxa2
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Framing advice sought, by maxamaxa2 on May 24, 2017 11:20:31 GMT 1, Yes, there are several benefits.
Masking tape use glue that react with the paper over time, it will damage the paper and leave marks when removed.
Same with bad mounts and backboards and you need a real tape on the back to seal it from moist.
I would also consider using some kind of uv-protective art glass both because you will see less of your own reflection and more of the artwork but also to protect from uv, even if its not in direct sunlight there will be uv-lights bouncing around (unless you have it in a dark room without windows).
So, if its a cheap poster you are planning to throw away in 2 years your method sounds wise. If its something you want to hold on to and to not loos value due to bad care, you should contact a real framer that is educated and know his craft. It will cost about ยฃ150 for a good frame and a decent glass.
...the big problem is that there is no turning back once you have tried it.
Yes, there are several benefits.
Masking tape use glue that react with the paper over time, it will damage the paper and leave marks when removed.
Same with bad mounts and backboards and you need a real tape on the back to seal it from moist.
I would also consider using some kind of uv-protective art glass both because you will see less of your own reflection and more of the artwork but also to protect from uv, even if its not in direct sunlight there will be uv-lights bouncing around (unless you have it in a dark room without windows).
So, if its a cheap poster you are planning to throw away in 2 years your method sounds wise. If its something you want to hold on to and to not loos value due to bad care, you should contact a real framer that is educated and know his craft. It will cost about ยฃ150 for a good frame and a decent glass.
...the big problem is that there is no turning back once you have tried it.
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daws0n
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Framing advice sought, by daws0n on May 24, 2017 11:26:51 GMT 1, In which case I will shop around a bit. How much is a high end job likely to cost, ball park figure? I'm not after anything fancy but would to ensure the mounting process is reversible without damaging the work at the very least.
In which case I will shop around a bit. How much is a high end job likely to cost, ball park figure? I'm not after anything fancy but would to ensure the mounting process is reversible without damaging the work at the very least.
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iamzero
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Framing advice sought, by iamzero on May 24, 2017 11:37:25 GMT 1, I'm sure Mark at PFG or MFM could give you a ball park figure.
I'm sure Mark at PFG or MFM could give you a ball park figure.
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daws0n
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Framing advice sought, by daws0n on May 24, 2017 14:19:56 GMT 1, Thanks all. I've found a framer a few miles away who seems to know his stuff (no masking tape, all acid free materials). Am awaiting a quote.
Thanks all. I've found a framer a few miles away who seems to know his stuff (no masking tape, all acid free materials). Am awaiting a quote.
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Framing advice sought, by Buff Monster Fan on May 24, 2017 14:53:06 GMT 1, The most important part is to post a picture of your Hush framed up once you're done so that we can all enjoy it as well 
The most important part is to post a picture of your Hush framed up once you're done so that we can all enjoy it as well |
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daws0n
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Framing advice sought, by daws0n on May 24, 2017 15:13:47 GMT 1, Of course will do โบ
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andyroo0312
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Framing advice sought, by andyroo0312 on May 26, 2017 4:49:24 GMT 1, Tape should NEVER be used in conservation framing ever. For me it's Hard Wood frames cotton rag mattes, museum board UV Plexi min, pref Optium, Japanese maple paper and corn or rice starch paste that has been probably cooked out oh and of course acid free poly corners and straights for larger pieces. 
Tape should NEVER be used in conservation framing ever. For me it's Hard Wood frames cotton rag mattes, museum board UV Plexi min, pref Optium, Japanese maple paper and corn or rice starch paste that has been probably cooked out oh and of course acid free poly corners and straights for larger pieces. |
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Dibbs 45
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Framing advice sought, by Dibbs 45 on May 26, 2017 7:57:38 GMT 1, I would reiterate what most people are saying. No tape etc. framing is also about reputation. PGF Picture frame gallery know their stuff and know the needs of urban art collectors and how anal they can be. Never cheap frame a prize possession. Show it off the best way you can.
I would reiterate what most people are saying. No tape etc. framing is also about reputation. PGF Picture frame gallery know their stuff and know the needs of urban art collectors and how anal they can be. Never cheap frame a prize possession. Show it off the best way you can.
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SMP
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Framing advice sought, by SMP on May 26, 2017 9:50:52 GMT 1, Tape should NEVER be used in conservation framing ever. For me it's Hard Wood frames cotton rag mattes, museum board UV Plexi min, pref Optium, Japanese maple paper and corn or rice starch paste that has been probably cooked out oh and of course acid free poly corners and straights for larger pieces.
Tape should NEVER be used in conservation framing ever. For me it's Hard Wood frames cotton rag mattes, museum board UV Plexi min, pref Optium, Japanese maple paper and corn or rice starch paste that has been probably cooked out oh and of course acid free poly corners and straights for larger pieces. Impressive level of detail andyroo0312 but I shudder to think about how much that costs on some of the larger works you have bought! |
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andyroo0312
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Framing advice sought, by andyroo0312 on May 26, 2017 11:30:43 GMT 1, Tape should NEVER be used in conservation framing ever. For me it's Hard Wood frames cotton rag mattes, museum board UV Plexi min, pref Optium, Japanese maple paper and corn or rice starch paste that has been probably cooked out oh and of course acid free poly corners and straights for larger pieces. Impressive level of detail andyroo0312 but I shudder to think about how much that costs on some of the larger works you have bought!  moral of the story,, eat well and don't skimp on your framing...
Tape should NEVER be used in conservation framing ever. For me it's Hard Wood frames cotton rag mattes, museum board UV Plexi min, pref Optium, Japanese maple paper and corn or rice starch paste that has been probably cooked out oh and of course acid free poly corners and straights for larger pieces. Impressive level of detail andyroo0312 but I shudder to think about how much that costs on some of the larger works you have bought! Haha mate you are so right but my attitude is to buy the best I can afford and if I have to eat kale for a couple months it's worth it, actually with out sounding like a dick head I actually did live of Kale,soy and water for 3 weeks to cover a Banksy framing job. Not only did I get a wonderfully framed print with not a speck of tape or adhesive for 50km but after I finished my forced diet my body had turned god like. I felt so good and was told my skin glowed like I was pregnant ( which I was not) moral of the story,, eat well and don't skimp on your framing... |
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NYart
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Framing advice sought, by NYart on May 26, 2017 23:00:34 GMT 1, If you did it yourself you could get that print framed to conservation standards for ยฃ70 for sure. There's a bit of a learning curve but sourcing the materials, at least locally is for me the only difficult part!
If you did it yourself you could get that print framed to conservation standards for ยฃ70 for sure. There's a bit of a learning curve but sourcing the materials, at least locally is for me the only difficult part!
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andyroo0312
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Framing advice sought, by andyroo0312 on May 27, 2017 3:45:35 GMT 1, If you did it yourself you could get that print framed to conservation standards for ยฃ70 for sure. There's a bit of a learning curve but sourcing the materials, at least locally is for me the only difficult part!
in my experience for every good framer there are 20 shit ones. Find a good up to speed framer that is a member of the Advanced Guild Commended Framer (GCF) or equal in your neck of the woods.
If you want to see what framing is all about go visit John Jones near Finbury Park. You don't get a OBE for being crap.... 
If you did it yourself you could get that print framed to conservation standards for ยฃ70 for sure. There's a bit of a learning curve but sourcing the materials, at least locally is for me the only difficult part! Doing it yourself to high end spec,s is not as easy as people think. I coundnt even get a largish IKEA farm for ยฃ70 down here. My Banksys apart from one are framed to museum standards and come in at around $1000 each using optium and top end rag matte and museum board. A lot of stuff that is marketed as acid free is not it is only the outer skin they make acid free but the middle can be toxic. The difference between high end rag matte and generic acid free is huge. There are so many variable in good framing and why any one would risk a sub par job just to save a few bucks. Now I am talking high $ art not $40 gig posters than can be slipped in to any pre made fram for beer money. Buy the best you can afford and your art will reward you 10 fold plus you will never have to deal with any issues that may arise from bad materials or sloppy framing technique. in my experience for every good framer there are 20 shit ones. Find a good up to speed framer that is a member of the Advanced Guild Commended Framer (GCF) or equal in your neck of the woods. If you want to see what framing is all about go visit John Jones near Finbury Park. You don't get a OBE for being crap.... |
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NYart
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Framing advice sought, by NYart on May 28, 2017 13:11:55 GMT 1, If you did it yourself you could get that print framed to conservation standards for ยฃ70 for sure. There's a bit of a learning curve but sourcing the materials, at least locally is for me the only difficult part! Doing it yourself to high end spec,s is not as easy as people think. I coundnt even get a largish IKEA farm for ยฃ70 down here. My Banksys apart from one are framed to museum standards and come in at around $1000 each using optium and top end rag matte and museum board. ย A lot of stuff that is marketed as acid free is not it is only the outer skin they make acid free but the middle can be toxic. The difference between high end rag matte and generic acid free is huge. There are so many variable in good framing and why any one would risk a sub par job just to save a few bucks. Now I am talking high $ art not $40 gig posters than can be slipped in to any pre made fram for beer money. Buy the best you can afford and your art will reward you 10 fold plus you will never have to deal with any issues that may arise from bad materials or sloppy framing technique. in my experience for every good framer there are 20s**t ones. Find a good up to speed framer that is a member of the Advanced Guild Commended Framer (GCF) or equal in your neck of the woods. If you want to see what framing is all about go visit John Jones near Finbury Park. You don't get a OBE for being crap....
That's a fair point about the acidic core with some materials, from my understanding though it'll be a couple decades for it to turn the outer skin acidic, so unless like you said it's a piece you want to museum standards and could remain in that frame for decades I completely agree. As far as the off the shelf frames > ยฃ70, just gotta find the deals. I have a couple local places that have "50% off one item" that I take full advantage of. Swap the crap glass out with "50% off one item" UV glass and there ya go, or I've had good results with the UV window film as well just takes some practice.
Ultimately I wouldn't cut any corners with a banksy or $5k+ piece but I just can't justify spending the same amount I paid for the print to get it framed. I'd rather get more art haha! I'm able to use everything touching the print acid free, get the UV protection, and have more freedom to switch things up, not as obligated to keep it framed and on the wall cause the framing cost so much!
If you did it yourself you could get that print framed to conservation standards for ยฃ70 for sure. There's a bit of a learning curve but sourcing the materials, at least locally is for me the only difficult part! Doing it yourself to high end spec,s is not as easy as people think. I coundnt even get a largish IKEA farm for ยฃ70 down here. My Banksys apart from one are framed to museum standards and come in at around $1000 each using optium and top end rag matte and museum board. ย A lot of stuff that is marketed as acid free is not it is only the outer skin they make acid free but the middle can be toxic. The difference between high end rag matte and generic acid free is huge. There are so many variable in good framing and why any one would risk a sub par job just to save a few bucks. Now I am talking high $ art not $40 gig posters than can be slipped in to any pre made fram for beer money. Buy the best you can afford and your art will reward you 10 fold plus you will never have to deal with any issues that may arise from bad materials or sloppy framing technique. in my experience for every good framer there are 20s**t ones. Find a good up to speed framer that is a member of the Advanced Guild Commended Framer (GCF) or equal in your neck of the woods. If you want to see what framing is all about go visit John Jones near Finbury Park. You don't get a OBE for being crap.... That's a fair point about the acidic core with some materials, from my understanding though it'll be a couple decades for it to turn the outer skin acidic, so unless like you said it's a piece you want to museum standards and could remain in that frame for decades I completely agree. As far as the off the shelf frames > ยฃ70, just gotta find the deals. I have a couple local places that have "50% off one item" that I take full advantage of. Swap the crap glass out with "50% off one item" UV glass and there ya go, or I've had good results with the UV window film as well just takes some practice. Ultimately I wouldn't cut any corners with a banksy or $5k+ piece but I just can't justify spending the same amount I paid for the print to get it framed. I'd rather get more art haha! I'm able to use everything touching the print acid free, get the UV protection, and have more freedom to switch things up, not as obligated to keep it framed and on the wall cause the framing cost so much! |
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moral of the story,, eat well and don't skimp on your framing... 
