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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by beefree on Jun 16, 2017 20:01:21 GMT 1, Good thread this, opportunity to here to flesh out a blueprint for all concerned. How do cross Atlantic Banksy dealers do business? 17k is huge cash for a lot of folk.. 3k is is huge cash for a lot of folk.. Why not invoice with clear stipulations through PayPal? Surely naming edition number/artist/title and stipulating any other available relevant information would be enough to cover you through Paypal?
Offered that PayPal option also...I've done everything he's asked..I might be an asshole but it gets done quickly and correctly.
Good thread this, opportunity to here to flesh out a blueprint for all concerned. How do cross Atlantic Banksy dealers do business? 17k is huge cash for a lot of folk.. 3k is is huge cash for a lot of folk.. Why not invoice with clear stipulations through PayPal? Surely naming edition number/artist/title and stipulating any other available relevant information would be enough to cover you through Paypal? Offered that PayPal option also...I've done everything he's asked..I might be an asshole but it gets done quickly and correctly.
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 20:31:27 GMT 1, If I was buying art or similar from another country for seventeen thousand dollars. I would want to know exactly who I was dealing with which would mean them proving who they are with a copy of their passport , plus home address and landline number. Anybody can give a reference so don't know how useful references would be. What line of work they are in and what other things they sell would make no difference to this transaction as it's a private personal one to one transaction.
From a buyers viewpoint. It's up to the seller to prove who they are and satisfy the buyer. Any vagueness or grey areas and then the risk is on the buyer.
It's a lot of money so worth being diligant.
If I was buying art or similar from another country for seventeen thousand dollars. I would want to know exactly who I was dealing with which would mean them proving who they are with a copy of their passport , plus home address and landline number. Anybody can give a reference so don't know how useful references would be. What line of work they are in and what other things they sell would make no difference to this transaction as it's a private personal one to one transaction.
From a buyers viewpoint. It's up to the seller to prove who they are and satisfy the buyer. Any vagueness or grey areas and then the risk is on the buyer.
It's a lot of money so worth being diligant.
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beefree
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by beefree on Jun 16, 2017 22:17:42 GMT 1, If I was buying art or similar from another country for seventeen thousand dollars. I would want to know exactly who I was dealing with which would mean them proving who they are with a copy of their passport , plus home address and landline number. Anybody can give a reference so don't know how useful references would be. What line of work they are in and what other things they sell would make no difference to this transaction as it's a private personal one to one transaction. From a buyers viewpoint. It's up to the seller to prove who they are and satisfy the buyer. Any vagueness or grey areas and then the risk is on the buyer. It's a lot of money so worth being diligant.
Not another country...he can come here and pick it up! Or pay a buddy a small fee to come pick it up for him. So many options. I feel everything has been given...except my passport. ๐๐
If I was buying art or similar from another country for seventeen thousand dollars. I would want to know exactly who I was dealing with which would mean them proving who they are with a copy of their passport , plus home address and landline number. Anybody can give a reference so don't know how useful references would be. What line of work they are in and what other things they sell would make no difference to this transaction as it's a private personal one to one transaction. From a buyers viewpoint. It's up to the seller to prove who they are and satisfy the buyer. Any vagueness or grey areas and then the risk is on the buyer. It's a lot of money so worth being diligant. Not another country...he can come here and pick it up! Or pay a buddy a small fee to come pick it up for him. So many options. I feel everything has been given...except my passport. ๐๐
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by mla on Jun 16, 2017 22:21:54 GMT 1, Paypal with a credit card is very safe from a buyer perspective.
Paypal with a credit card is very safe from a buyer perspective.
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by jluhiex on Jun 16, 2017 23:02:08 GMT 1, If I was buying art or similar from another country for seventeen thousand dollars. I would want to know exactly who I was dealing with which would mean them proving who they are with a copy of their passport , plus home address and landline number. Anybody can give a reference so don't know how useful references would be. What line of work they are in and what other things they sell would make no difference to this transaction as it's a private personal one to one transaction. From a buyers viewpoint. It's up to the seller to prove who they are and satisfy the buyer. Any vagueness or grey areas and then the risk is on the buyer. It's a lot of money so worth being diligant.
The guys not asking for a wire transfer or Nigerian prince bank wires. He's offering paypal which has buyers' protection in addition to your own added CC fraud protection. This isn't Jason Zenga saying his paypal has issues so he'd prefer a bank wire.
Offering to show your passport to a random stranger is just asking for identity theft. Buyer is not a corporation/business who is held to a higher standard when dealing with privacy laws. Might as well throw in his social security, mothers maiden name, and don't forget his FICO score.
Bong appetite
If I was buying art or similar from another country for seventeen thousand dollars. I would want to know exactly who I was dealing with which would mean them proving who they are with a copy of their passport , plus home address and landline number. Anybody can give a reference so don't know how useful references would be. What line of work they are in and what other things they sell would make no difference to this transaction as it's a private personal one to one transaction. From a buyers viewpoint. It's up to the seller to prove who they are and satisfy the buyer. Any vagueness or grey areas and then the risk is on the buyer. It's a lot of money so worth being diligant. The guys not asking for a wire transfer or Nigerian prince bank wires. He's offering paypal which has buyers' protection in addition to your own added CC fraud protection. This isn't Jason Zenga saying his paypal has issues so he'd prefer a bank wire. Offering to show your passport to a random stranger is just asking for identity theft. Buyer is not a corporation/business who is held to a higher standard when dealing with privacy laws. Might as well throw in his social security, mothers maiden name, and don't forget his FICO score. Bong appetite
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beefree
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by beefree on Jun 17, 2017 2:17:16 GMT 1, Another option...I can take the print to the highest rated packing and shipping fine art place in Denver, give them the print, buyer can call them to verify they have it, buyer can send payment, then they can send the print out. Figure it makes everything run smoothly.
Another option...I can take the print to the highest rated packing and shipping fine art place in Denver, give them the print, buyer can call them to verify they have it, buyer can send payment, then they can send the print out. Figure it makes everything run smoothly.
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by touchdowntodd on Jun 17, 2017 3:03:08 GMT 1, Insane amount of options. ..
I'd just go paypal.. and cc.. covers buyer 1000000x more than it does the seller
Insane amount of options. ..
I'd just go paypal.. and cc.. covers buyer 1000000x more than it does the seller
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Dungle
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by Dungle on Jun 17, 2017 14:00:55 GMT 1, Just go and pick it up in person. If you can afford 17k for the print you can afford the flight/train or petrol.
Just go and pick it up in person. If you can afford 17k for the print you can afford the flight/train or petrol.
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by Nick on Jun 17, 2017 14:23:22 GMT 1, He'd probably get the airfare for less than the added paypal fees! Seems beefree has bent over backwards to accomadate you and with so many options if you truley want this deal to get over the line it will.
He'd probably get the airfare for less than the added paypal fees! Seems beefree has bent over backwards to accomadate you and with so many options if you truley want this deal to get over the line it will.
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 15:00:12 GMT 1, Have you tried going through the folks at Black Book Gallery? This is a Denver transaction, correct?
I am sure they would be happy to help out and authenticate on your behalf. They may even help with shipping for a fee.
Have you tried going through the folks at Black Book Gallery? This is a Denver transaction, correct?
I am sure they would be happy to help out and authenticate on your behalf. They may even help with shipping for a fee.
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by sugar72 on Jun 17, 2017 15:10:41 GMT 1, so when a bong hits the 100k mark, do people still smoke from it or what?
I think they were smoking from it when they made the deal!!!
so when a bong hits the 100k mark, do people still smoke from it or what? I think they were smoking from it when they made the deal!!!
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by Dive Jedi on Jun 17, 2017 15:44:44 GMT 1, Any transaction is based upon trust, which is clearly not here. No reason what so ever not to trust beefree, but the buyer has no way to verify this.
So either meet in person, arrange someone else to pick it up or walk away. Make it a weekend in Denver with the mrs. Or maybe beefree will be close anytime soon to meet up. 17K is a lot of money, but if you can spend that on art, you can fly to Denver.
Any transaction is based upon trust, which is clearly not here. No reason what so ever not to trust beefree, but the buyer has no way to verify this.
So either meet in person, arrange someone else to pick it up or walk away. Make it a weekend in Denver with the mrs. Or maybe beefree will be close anytime soon to meet up. 17K is a lot of money, but if you can spend that on art, you can fly to Denver.
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by beefree on Jun 17, 2017 15:53:29 GMT 1, Any transaction is based upon trust, which is clearly not here. No reason what so ever not to trust beefree, but the buyer has no way to verify this. So either meet in person, arrange someone else to pick it up or walk away. Make it a weekend in Denver with the mrs. Or maybe beefree will be close anytime soon to meet up. 17K is a lot of money, but if you can spend that on art, you can fly to Denver.
Thank you. All I've been trying to do is give OPTIONS on this transaction. I'm not looking to rip anyone off...I'm just looking to do this deal as smoothly and easily as possible. It has become not smooth or easy for me but I was still trying to do everything he had asked of me to complete the deal. Like everyone with a sense keeps saying, the flight out here round trip was $379 which is cheaper than the PayPal fees. The amount of time already wasted on this he could have flown here and back and had the print. I might be an asshole but business gets done. I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to conduct proper, quick, and honest business. Sorry to anyone I have insulted or pissed off with my mouth. When you work easy with me, I'm actually nice...ask the other two people who purchased the other two Kaws...
Any transaction is based upon trust, which is clearly not here. No reason what so ever not to trust beefree, but the buyer has no way to verify this. So either meet in person, arrange someone else to pick it up or walk away. Make it a weekend in Denver with the mrs. Or maybe beefree will be close anytime soon to meet up. 17K is a lot of money, but if you can spend that on art, you can fly to Denver. Thank you. All I've been trying to do is give OPTIONS on this transaction. I'm not looking to rip anyone off...I'm just looking to do this deal as smoothly and easily as possible. It has become not smooth or easy for me but I was still trying to do everything he had asked of me to complete the deal. Like everyone with a sense keeps saying, the flight out here round trip was $379 which is cheaper than the PayPal fees. The amount of time already wasted on this he could have flown here and back and had the print. I might be an asshole but business gets done. I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to conduct proper, quick, and honest business. Sorry to anyone I have insulted or pissed off with my mouth. When you work easy with me, I'm actually nice...ask the other two people who purchased the other two Kaws...
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by sugar72 on Jun 17, 2017 15:57:41 GMT 1, Any transaction is based upon trust, which is clearly not here. No reason what so ever not to trust beefree, but the buyer has no way to verify this. So either meet in person, arrange someone else to pick it up or walk away. Make it a weekend in Denver with the mrs. Or maybe beefree will be close anytime soon to meet up. 17K is a lot of money, but if you can spend that on art, you can fly to Denver. Thank you. All I've been trying to do is give OPTIONS on this transaction. I'm not looking to rip anyone off...I'm just looking to do this deal as smoothly and easily as possible. It has become not smooth or easy for me but I was still trying to do everything he had asked of me to complete the deal. Like everyone with a sense keeps saying, the flight out here round trip was $379 which is cheaper than the PayPal fees. The amount of time already wasted on this he could have flown here and back and had the print. I might be an asshole but business gets done. I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to conduct proper, quick, and honest business. Sorry to anyone I have insulted or pissed off with my mouth. When you work easy with me, I'm actually nice...ask the other two people who purchased the other two Kaws...
It does appear that beefree has been very accommodating. Just get on a flight. 17k is not cheap and for the equivalent of the PayPal fees plus safety in transport, circa 2% of the cost is a no brainer.
Any transaction is based upon trust, which is clearly not here. No reason what so ever not to trust beefree, but the buyer has no way to verify this. So either meet in person, arrange someone else to pick it up or walk away. Make it a weekend in Denver with the mrs. Or maybe beefree will be close anytime soon to meet up. 17K is a lot of money, but if you can spend that on art, you can fly to Denver. Thank you. All I've been trying to do is give OPTIONS on this transaction. I'm not looking to rip anyone off...I'm just looking to do this deal as smoothly and easily as possible. It has become not smooth or easy for me but I was still trying to do everything he had asked of me to complete the deal. Like everyone with a sense keeps saying, the flight out here round trip was $379 which is cheaper than the PayPal fees. The amount of time already wasted on this he could have flown here and back and had the print. I might be an asshole but business gets done. I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to conduct proper, quick, and honest business. Sorry to anyone I have insulted or pissed off with my mouth. When you work easy with me, I'm actually nice...ask the other two people who purchased the other two Kaws... It does appear that beefree has been very accommodating. Just get on a flight. 17k is not cheap and for the equivalent of the PayPal fees plus safety in transport, circa 2% of the cost is a no brainer.
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by randomname on Jun 17, 2017 21:25:23 GMT 1, Can you get a direct flight to Denver?
If so, there's a train that runs from the airport to downtown where there are a ton of restaurants and breweries.
You could meet up, have lunch, buy the print and fly home in one day.
Beefree seems like a nice guy. I'm sure he'll pick up the tab and give you a hit out of his fancy bong. If that's your thing.
Can you get a direct flight to Denver?
If so, there's a train that runs from the airport to downtown where there are a ton of restaurants and breweries.
You could meet up, have lunch, buy the print and fly home in one day.
Beefree seems like a nice guy. I'm sure he'll pick up the tab and give you a hit out of his fancy bong. If that's your thing.
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by beefree on Jun 17, 2017 21:36:43 GMT 1, Can you get a direct flight to Denver? If so, there's a train that runs from the airport to downtown where there are a ton of restaurants and breweries. You could meet up, have lunch, buy the print and fly home in one day. Beefree seems like a nice guy. I'm sure he'll pick up the tab and give you a hit out of his fancy bong. If that's your thing.
That's what I LOVE TO DO! That's what I did with all these wonderful pieces of glass art over the years. Face to face interactions and transactions. It was great...and I always pick up the tab...and probably have some of the most tasty things for those fancy bongs...if that's your thing. ๐๐
Can you get a direct flight to Denver? If so, there's a train that runs from the airport to downtown where there are a ton of restaurants and breweries. You could meet up, have lunch, buy the print and fly home in one day. Beefree seems like a nice guy. I'm sure he'll pick up the tab and give you a hit out of his fancy bong. If that's your thing. That's what I LOVE TO DO! That's what I did with all these wonderful pieces of glass art over the years. Face to face interactions and transactions. It was great...and I always pick up the tab...and probably have some of the most tasty things for those fancy bongs...if that's your thing. ๐๐
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 21:38:16 GMT 1, Can you get a direct flight to Denver? If so, there's a train that runs from the airport to downtown where there are a ton of restaurants and breweries. You could meet up, have lunch, buy the print and fly home in one day. Beefree seems like a nice guy. I'm sure he'll pick up the tab and give you a hit out of his fancy bong. If that's your thing. That's what I LOVE TO DO! That's what I did with all these wonderful pieces of glass art over the years. Face to face interactions and transactions. It was great...and I always pick up the tab...and probably have some of the most tasty things for those fancy bongs...if that's your thing. ๐๐
If there was a direct flight from Scotland I'd buy it for the bong sesh alone
Can you get a direct flight to Denver? If so, there's a train that runs from the airport to downtown where there are a ton of restaurants and breweries. You could meet up, have lunch, buy the print and fly home in one day. Beefree seems like a nice guy. I'm sure he'll pick up the tab and give you a hit out of his fancy bong. If that's your thing. That's what I LOVE TO DO! That's what I did with all these wonderful pieces of glass art over the years. Face to face interactions and transactions. It was great...and I always pick up the tab...and probably have some of the most tasty things for those fancy bongs...if that's your thing. ๐๐ If there was a direct flight from Scotland I'd buy it for the bong sesh alone
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by sugar72 on Jun 17, 2017 21:47:44 GMT 1, That's what I LOVE TO DO! That's what I did with all these wonderful pieces of glass art over the years. Face to face interactions and transactions. It was great...and I always pick up the tab...and probably have some of the most tasty things for those fancy bongs...if that's your thing. ๐๐ If there was a direct flight from Scotland I'd buy it for the bong sesh alone
Let's charter a plane and we'll make an UAA trip out of it!!??
That's what I LOVE TO DO! That's what I did with all these wonderful pieces of glass art over the years. Face to face interactions and transactions. It was great...and I always pick up the tab...and probably have some of the most tasty things for those fancy bongs...if that's your thing. ๐๐ If there was a direct flight from Scotland I'd buy it for the bong sesh alone Let's charter a plane and we'll make an UAA trip out of it!!??
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by Dungle on Jun 17, 2017 21:47:50 GMT 1, What is the piece of art in question?
I'm tempted to fly to Denver just to try the bong.
What is the piece of art in question?
I'm tempted to fly to Denver just to try the bong.
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beefree
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by beefree on Jun 17, 2017 21:49:43 GMT 1, That's what I LOVE TO DO! That's what I did with all these wonderful pieces of glass art over the years. Face to face interactions and transactions. It was great...and I always pick up the tab...and probably have some of the most tasty things for those fancy bongs...if that's your thing. ๐๐ If there was a direct flight from Scotland I'd buy it for the bong sesh alone
Make sure to drop me a line if you are ever heading this way! Would love to show you a good time!
That's what I LOVE TO DO! That's what I did with all these wonderful pieces of glass art over the years. Face to face interactions and transactions. It was great...and I always pick up the tab...and probably have some of the most tasty things for those fancy bongs...if that's your thing. ๐๐ If there was a direct flight from Scotland I'd buy it for the bong sesh alone Make sure to drop me a line if you are ever heading this way! Would love to show you a good time!
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by Whitefish on Jun 17, 2017 22:29:10 GMT 1, Well....
Here is my 2 cents on the matter, the 2 parties need to hit the reset button and figure it out. This is the easiest way to do so, IMHO.
1st OPTION... Seller: go to a reputable gallery in the closest major city, sounds like Denver (I trust Backbook Gallery there) but there are many more. Buyer: have them ship to a reputable gallery in the closest major city to you and get the deal done.
Most galleries have been doing this dance for long enough, to understand the situtation at hand and also apreciate the practice of transparency in art transactions. Honestly it is the easiest way to get a piece that you want. I have had to do this several times in my 9 lives, when the piece I want is in a place that the seller does not to ship to. Getting a few independent 3erd parties involved helps lubercate the cogs and gives both sides equal grounds of assurity.
If the seller really wants to sell the piece and the buyer really wants to buy the piece yall can make it happen.
ME... I am just way too trusting and will send you a BOX full of US currency to get a deal done if thats what it takes, for a piece that I have to have. As I am 99.9% of the time the buyer in this type of situation.
For clarifcation purposes: Where is the buyer located and where is the seller located? Posting this might help facilitate the 3erd party in the respected city to chime in and assist. If not I happen to have roledex of gallery owners that I would be willing to contact in assistance of your current predicament.
2nd OPTION: get in touch with a member of Brian Donnellys crew to help facilitate and give options for a corrdinated transaction.
Well....
Here is my 2 cents on the matter, the 2 parties need to hit the reset button and figure it out. This is the easiest way to do so, IMHO.
1st OPTION... Seller: go to a reputable gallery in the closest major city, sounds like Denver (I trust Backbook Gallery there) but there are many more. Buyer: have them ship to a reputable gallery in the closest major city to you and get the deal done.
Most galleries have been doing this dance for long enough, to understand the situtation at hand and also apreciate the practice of transparency in art transactions. Honestly it is the easiest way to get a piece that you want. I have had to do this several times in my 9 lives, when the piece I want is in a place that the seller does not to ship to. Getting a few independent 3erd parties involved helps lubercate the cogs and gives both sides equal grounds of assurity.
If the seller really wants to sell the piece and the buyer really wants to buy the piece yall can make it happen.
ME... I am just way too trusting and will send you a BOX full of US currency to get a deal done if thats what it takes, for a piece that I have to have. As I am 99.9% of the time the buyer in this type of situation.
For clarifcation purposes: Where is the buyer located and where is the seller located? Posting this might help facilitate the 3erd party in the respected city to chime in and assist. If not I happen to have roledex of gallery owners that I would be willing to contact in assistance of your current predicament.
2nd OPTION: get in touch with a member of Brian Donnellys crew to help facilitate and give options for a corrdinated transaction.
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by beefree on Jun 17, 2017 22:58:45 GMT 1, Well.... Here is my 2 cents on the matter, the 2 parties need to hit the reset button and figure it out. This is the easiest way to do so, IMHO. 1st OPTION... Seller: go to a reputable gallery in the closest major city, sounds like Denver (I trust Backbook Gallery there) but there are many more. Buyer: have them ship to a reputable gallery in the closest major city to you and get the deal done. Most galleries have been doing this dance for long enough, to understand the situtation at hand and also apreciate the practice of transparency in art transactions. Honestly it is the easiest way to get a piece that you want. I have had to do this several times in my 9 lives, when the piece I want is in a place that the seller does not to ship to. Getting a few independent 3erd parties involved helps lubercate the cogs and gives both sides equal grounds of assurity. If the seller really wants to sell the piece and the buyer really wants to buy the piece yall can make it happen. ME... I am just way too trusting and will send you a BOX full of US currency to get a deal done if thats what it takes, for a piece that I have to have. As I am 99.9% of the time the buyer in this type of situation. For clarifcation purposes: Where is the buyer located and where is the seller located? Posting this might help facilitate the 3erd party in the respected city to chime in and assist. If not I happen to have roledex of gallery owners that I would be willing to contact in assistance of your current predicament. 2nd OPTION: get in touch with a member of Brian Donnellys crew to help facilitate and give options for a corrdinated transaction.
I offered to have this guy come in more times than I can count. I also offered to drop off to the leading fine art shipper in the state to have them verify they had it, have the guy pay, then have them ship it out. Figured that was so easy and stress free. Honestly at this point he seems he is here to just waste time with all the options he has been given.
...and for clarification; I am located in Denver and the buyer is located in New York...seems so easy to get this deal done if he actually wanted to.
Well.... Here is my 2 cents on the matter, the 2 parties need to hit the reset button and figure it out. This is the easiest way to do so, IMHO. 1st OPTION... Seller: go to a reputable gallery in the closest major city, sounds like Denver (I trust Backbook Gallery there) but there are many more. Buyer: have them ship to a reputable gallery in the closest major city to you and get the deal done. Most galleries have been doing this dance for long enough, to understand the situtation at hand and also apreciate the practice of transparency in art transactions. Honestly it is the easiest way to get a piece that you want. I have had to do this several times in my 9 lives, when the piece I want is in a place that the seller does not to ship to. Getting a few independent 3erd parties involved helps lubercate the cogs and gives both sides equal grounds of assurity. If the seller really wants to sell the piece and the buyer really wants to buy the piece yall can make it happen. ME... I am just way too trusting and will send you a BOX full of US currency to get a deal done if thats what it takes, for a piece that I have to have. As I am 99.9% of the time the buyer in this type of situation. For clarifcation purposes: Where is the buyer located and where is the seller located? Posting this might help facilitate the 3erd party in the respected city to chime in and assist. If not I happen to have roledex of gallery owners that I would be willing to contact in assistance of your current predicament. 2nd OPTION: get in touch with a member of Brian Donnellys crew to help facilitate and give options for a corrdinated transaction. I offered to have this guy come in more times than I can count. I also offered to drop off to the leading fine art shipper in the state to have them verify they had it, have the guy pay, then have them ship it out. Figured that was so easy and stress free. Honestly at this point he seems he is here to just waste time with all the options he has been given. ...and for clarification; I am located in Denver and the buyer is located in New York...seems so easy to get this deal done if he actually wanted to.
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sugar72
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by sugar72 on Jun 17, 2017 23:07:13 GMT 1, Looks like I'm about to buy a relatively expensive piece (~$17,000) from a member on here; I'm not used to buying art outside of the original source, so I was hoping someone could give me some pointers about the best way to do this: My main question: 1. What is the best/most secure method of payment that ensures I will actually receive the art, and will give me recourse in case it is never sent? Please let me know the advantages/disadvantages of different methods; I'm hoping to tie this up sooner than later.
Dss111, further to the above post after being given every option and safe ones at that can you not pull the trigger?
Looks like I'm about to buy a relatively expensive piece (~$17,000) from a member on here; I'm not used to buying art outside of the original source, so I was hoping someone could give me some pointers about the best way to do this: My main question: 1. What is the best/most secure method of payment that ensures I will actually receive the art, and will give me recourse in case it is never sent? Please let me know the advantages/disadvantages of different methods; I'm hoping to tie this up sooner than later. Dss111, further to the above post after being given every option and safe ones at that can you not pull the trigger?
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beefree
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by beefree on Jun 17, 2017 23:32:12 GMT 1, Looks like I'm about to buy a relatively expensive piece (~$17,000) from a member on here; I'm not used to buying art outside of the original source, so I was hoping someone could give me some pointers about the best way to do this: My main question: 1. What is the best/most secure method of payment that ensures I will actually receive the art, and will give me recourse in case it is never sent? Please let me know the advantages/disadvantages of different methods; I'm hoping to tie this up sooner than later. Dss111, further to the above post after being given every option and safe ones at that can you not pull the trigger?
Seems like he doesn't want to and isn't going to. No big deal. Put it in the closest until someone wants it. ๐
Looks like I'm about to buy a relatively expensive piece (~$17,000) from a member on here; I'm not used to buying art outside of the original source, so I was hoping someone could give me some pointers about the best way to do this: My main question: 1. What is the best/most secure method of payment that ensures I will actually receive the art, and will give me recourse in case it is never sent? Please let me know the advantages/disadvantages of different methods; I'm hoping to tie this up sooner than later. Dss111, further to the above post after being given every option and safe ones at that can you not pull the trigger? Seems like he doesn't want to and isn't going to. No big deal. Put it in the closest until someone wants it. ๐
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coller
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by coller on Jun 17, 2017 23:32:12 GMT 1, Looks like I'm about to buy a relatively expensive piece (~$17,000) from a member on here; I'm not used to buying art outside of the original source, so I was hoping someone could give me some pointers about the best way to do this: My main question: 1. What is the best/most secure method of payment that ensures I will actually receive the art, and will give me recourse in case it is never sent? Please let me know the advantages/disadvantages of different methods; I'm hoping to tie this up sooner than later. Dss111, further to the above post after being given every option and safe ones at that can you not pull the trigger? I didn't really want to air out this whole thing here. I was looking for a secure way to pay at the time, which is why I created this thread.
At this point, the main reason that I'm hesitant to do this deal is because I honestly don't think I feel comfortable with the seller. All of the references he gave me said they don't know him, and every request I made through the entire process was met with some form of resistance or guilt-tripping.
I think he just doesn't understand that he is a complete stranger to me.
The whole thing started off on the wrong foot; he wouldn't take the print out of its frame to show me the condition and basically made it seem like I was hassling him for asking to do that. Then he did, and there was a crease under the mat area. Then I asked him for closer pics of areas that seemed to have damage and he wouldn't take them at first, etc. (basically every request would be turned down at first, then eventually he'd do it). Eventually he took this pics, again making it seem like I'm hassling him for asking for the pics. It's just been strange.
If I had someone in Denver that I trusted then it'd probably be different because then they could help facilitate; I don't seem to have someone like that. I don't want to fly out, especially if I don't really know what the deal with this seller is or if he makes me uncomfortable; I feel like that's reasonable, so that's why the offers for me to fly out don't really make me feel better because I basically said I wasn't going to do it anyway.
The seller has been telling me things like he has the biggest bong art agency in Denver but that doesn't really help me feel secure about buying a print, or anything really.
So yeah, I don't know - there are two local guys who have prints but are asking more; I'm still looking into Denver galleries to middleman but I might just try to get from one of the locals instead.
Looks like I'm about to buy a relatively expensive piece (~$17,000) from a member on here; I'm not used to buying art outside of the original source, so I was hoping someone could give me some pointers about the best way to do this: My main question: 1. What is the best/most secure method of payment that ensures I will actually receive the art, and will give me recourse in case it is never sent? Please let me know the advantages/disadvantages of different methods; I'm hoping to tie this up sooner than later. Dss111, further to the above post after being given every option and safe ones at that can you not pull the trigger? I didn't really want to air out this whole thing here. I was looking for a secure way to pay at the time, which is why I created this thread. At this point, the main reason that I'm hesitant to do this deal is because I honestly don't think I feel comfortable with the seller. All of the references he gave me said they don't know him, and every request I made through the entire process was met with some form of resistance or guilt-tripping. I think he just doesn't understand that he is a complete stranger to me. The whole thing started off on the wrong foot; he wouldn't take the print out of its frame to show me the condition and basically made it seem like I was hassling him for asking to do that. Then he did, and there was a crease under the mat area. Then I asked him for closer pics of areas that seemed to have damage and he wouldn't take them at first, etc. (basically every request would be turned down at first, then eventually he'd do it). Eventually he took this pics, again making it seem like I'm hassling him for asking for the pics. It's just been strange. If I had someone in Denver that I trusted then it'd probably be different because then they could help facilitate; I don't seem to have someone like that. I don't want to fly out, especially if I don't really know what the deal with this seller is or if he makes me uncomfortable; I feel like that's reasonable, so that's why the offers for me to fly out don't really make me feel better because I basically said I wasn't going to do it anyway. The seller has been telling me things like he has the biggest bong art agency in Denver but that doesn't really help me feel secure about buying a print, or anything really. So yeah, I don't know - there are two local guys who have prints but are asking more; I'm still looking into Denver galleries to middleman but I might just try to get from one of the locals instead.
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.dappy
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by .dappy on Jun 17, 2017 23:41:21 GMT 1, ... I would suggest that you are not comfortable with the deal and/or letting go of such a large amount of money in one go - yes it can be scary ... in that case walk away ... there will always be an opportunity at another time and/or somewhere else ...
... the seller sounds like they are used to buying and selling ... and at face value have offered a number of reasonable options ... so they will be able to move on as well ...
... no hard feelings all around ...
... I would suggest that you are not comfortable with the deal and/or letting go of such a large amount of money in one go - yes it can be scary ... in that case walk away ... there will always be an opportunity at another time and/or somewhere else ...
... the seller sounds like they are used to buying and selling ... and at face value have offered a number of reasonable options ... so they will be able to move on as well ...
... no hard feelings all around ...
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beefree
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by beefree on Jun 17, 2017 23:43:34 GMT 1, Dss111, further to the above post after being given every option and safe ones at that can you not pull the trigger? I didn't really want to air out this whole thing here. I was looking for a secure way to pay at the time, which is why I created this thread. At this point, the main reason that I'm hesitant to do this deal is because I honestly don't think I feel comfortable with the seller. All of the references he gave me said they don't know him, and every request I made through the entire process was met with some form of resistance or guilt-tripping. I think he just doesn't understand that he is a complete stranger to me. The whole thing started off on the wrong foot; he wouldn't take the print out of its frame to show me the condition and basically made it seem like I was hassling him for asking to do that. Then he did, and there was a crease under the mat area. Then I asked him for closer pics of areas that seemed to have damage and he wouldn't take them at first, etc. (basically every request would be turned down at first, then eventually he'd do it). Eventually he took this pics, again making it seem like I'm hassling him for asking for the pics. It's just been strange. If I had someone in Denver that I trusted then it'd probably be different because then they could help facilitate; I don't seem to have someone like that. I don't want to fly out, especially if I don't really know what the deal with this seller is or if he makes me uncomfortable; I feel like that's reasonable, so that's why the offers for me to fly out don't really make me feel better because I basically said I wasn't going to do it anyway. The seller has been telling me things like he has the biggest bong art agency in Denver but that doesn't really help me feel secure about buying a print, or anything really. So yeah, I don't know - there are two local guys who have prints but are asking more; I'm still looking into Denver galleries to middleman but I might just try to get from one of the locals instead.
Go call NAVIS Art Shipping and Packing in Denver...I'm sure they would be pleased to middleman and were in love with the Kaws prints I brought in last week for them to ship out.
Dss111, further to the above post after being given every option and safe ones at that can you not pull the trigger? I didn't really want to air out this whole thing here. I was looking for a secure way to pay at the time, which is why I created this thread. At this point, the main reason that I'm hesitant to do this deal is because I honestly don't think I feel comfortable with the seller. All of the references he gave me said they don't know him, and every request I made through the entire process was met with some form of resistance or guilt-tripping. I think he just doesn't understand that he is a complete stranger to me. The whole thing started off on the wrong foot; he wouldn't take the print out of its frame to show me the condition and basically made it seem like I was hassling him for asking to do that. Then he did, and there was a crease under the mat area. Then I asked him for closer pics of areas that seemed to have damage and he wouldn't take them at first, etc. (basically every request would be turned down at first, then eventually he'd do it). Eventually he took this pics, again making it seem like I'm hassling him for asking for the pics. It's just been strange. If I had someone in Denver that I trusted then it'd probably be different because then they could help facilitate; I don't seem to have someone like that. I don't want to fly out, especially if I don't really know what the deal with this seller is or if he makes me uncomfortable; I feel like that's reasonable, so that's why the offers for me to fly out don't really make me feel better because I basically said I wasn't going to do it anyway. The seller has been telling me things like he has the biggest bong art agency in Denver but that doesn't really help me feel secure about buying a print, or anything really. So yeah, I don't know - there are two local guys who have prints but are asking more; I'm still looking into Denver galleries to middleman but I might just try to get from one of the locals instead. Go call NAVIS Art Shipping and Packing in Denver...I'm sure they would be pleased to middleman and were in love with the Kaws prints I brought in last week for them to ship out.
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beefree
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by beefree on Jun 17, 2017 23:45:13 GMT 1, ... I would suggest that you are not comfortable with the deal and/or letting go of such a large amount of money in one go - yes it can be scary ... in that case walk away ... there will always be an opportunity at another time and/or somewhere else ... ... the seller sounds like they are used to buying and selling ... and at face value have offered a number of reasonable options ... so they will be able to move on as well ... ... no hard feelings all around ...
Exactly. I honestly don't care. I just don't want any more of my time wasted. โฐ=๐ต
I'm just pissed I had it unframed and now can't just hang it back up! ๐
... I would suggest that you are not comfortable with the deal and/or letting go of such a large amount of money in one go - yes it can be scary ... in that case walk away ... there will always be an opportunity at another time and/or somewhere else ... ... the seller sounds like they are used to buying and selling ... and at face value have offered a number of reasonable options ... so they will be able to move on as well ... ... no hard feelings all around ... Exactly. I honestly don't care. I just don't want any more of my time wasted. โฐ=๐ต I'm just pissed I had it unframed and now can't just hang it back up! ๐
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mojo
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by mojo on Jun 17, 2017 23:52:24 GMT 1, I've sold to coller in the past and can vouch that it was a very smooth deal and transaction. We both established trust with one another within a matter of hours and if I remember correctly the whole deal was settled within two days. The artwork was sent on a fully insured, secure registered fast delivery and payment was received as arranged. Buying and selling have similar trust issues involved and unless you are 100% confident don't do a private sale.
I've sold to coller in the past and can vouch that it was a very smooth deal and transaction. We both established trust with one another within a matter of hours and if I remember correctly the whole deal was settled within two days. The artwork was sent on a fully insured, secure registered fast delivery and payment was received as arranged. Buying and selling have similar trust issues involved and unless you are 100% confident don't do a private sale.
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maggotheads
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by maggotheads on Jun 20, 2017 8:11:30 GMT 1, I'm gonna repeat what's already been said but I honestly don't understand why people don't meet face to face for a 17k transaction. If you can shell out that kind of cash, surely you can shell out a plane ticket and a day or two of your time?
Hell, I'd fly it over to you. Round trip Stockholm - Denver - NY for a 1000$? You'd probably (understandably) don't trust me either but for this kind of cash , pay someone to fly over if you don't have the time.
I'm gonna repeat what's already been said but I honestly don't understand why people don't meet face to face for a 17k transaction. If you can shell out that kind of cash, surely you can shell out a plane ticket and a day or two of your time? Hell, I'd fly it over to you. Round trip Stockholm - Denver - NY for a 1000$? You'd probably (understandably) don't trust me either but for this kind of cash , pay someone to fly over if you don't have the time.
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