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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 18:26:45 GMT 1, Hey all,
I'm not trying to spark a debate about whether Banksy is our good friend 3D, and I can't imaging that Banksy would ever voluntarily reveal his identity but....
IF Del Naja was in fact Banksy and publicly admitted so, what do you think would happen to the prices of Banksy prints and Banksy's popularity in general? Is the value and fandom predicated upon the mystery of the man, and the continuation of his anonymity ? Is it more about the body and theme's of the work itself ? Just curious of your thoughts. I don't have any Banksy on my walls unfortunately, but if I did I could see how it could be hard to be honest with myself (nobody wants to consider future risk). Hoping that we can try to be objective.
Thanks for your opinion !
Hey all,
I'm not trying to spark a debate about whether Banksy is our good friend 3D, and I can't imaging that Banksy would ever voluntarily reveal his identity but....
IF Del Naja was in fact Banksy and publicly admitted so, what do you think would happen to the prices of Banksy prints and Banksy's popularity in general? Is the value and fandom predicated upon the mystery of the man, and the continuation of his anonymity ? Is it more about the body and theme's of the work itself ? Just curious of your thoughts. I don't have any Banksy on my walls unfortunately, but if I did I could see how it could be hard to be honest with myself (nobody wants to consider future risk). Hoping that we can try to be objective.
Thanks for your opinion !
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Happy Shopper on Jul 3, 2017 18:30:18 GMT 1, He obviously isn't 3D... But if and when Banksy's identity is truly made official I doubt it will make any difference. It doesn't effect the work.
He obviously isn't 3D... But if and when Banksy's identity is truly made official I doubt it will make any difference. It doesn't effect the work.
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by pippyt75 on Jul 3, 2017 18:36:15 GMT 1, I honestly don't think it would make a blind bit of difference. It's fairly common knowledge anyway innit?
I honestly don't think it would make a blind bit of difference. It's fairly common knowledge anyway innit?
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 18:49:29 GMT 1, I honestly don't think it would make a blind bit of difference. It's fairly common knowledge anyway innit?
I honestly don't think it would make a blind bit of difference. It's fairly common knowledge anyway innit? I'm not so sure... Maybe this is to deep, but I just feel like so much obsession for any anonymous figure comes from the fact that people fill in the blank with what they want to see. |
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Lroy on Jul 3, 2017 19:06:55 GMT 1, He obviously isn't 3D... But if and when Banksy's identity is truly made official I doubt it will make any difference. It doesn't effect the work.
i agree ! Everybody knows who is Banksy, who was Bansky, who is still Banksy and what all the Banksy 's name became!
This 3D name - known as Banksy in his only and unic entity , is really ridiculous and boring !!
When artists meet gossips ( or vice-versa )
He obviously isn't 3D... But if and when Banksy's identity is truly made official I doubt it will make any difference. It doesn't effect the work. i agree ! Everybody knows who is Banksy, who was Bansky, who is still Banksy and what all the Banksy 's name became! This 3D name - known as Banksy in his only and unic entity , is really ridiculous and boring !! When artists meet gossips ( or vice-versa ) |
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by pippyt75 on Jul 3, 2017 19:19:47 GMT 1, I honestly don't think it would make a blind bit of difference. It's fairly common knowledge anyway innit? I'm not so sure... Maybe this is to deep, but I just feel like so much obsession for any anonymous figure comes from the fact that people fill in the blank with what they want to see.
. People like the idea of him being "anonymous" for sure. As you say it's romantic. But in terms of value etc the supply and demand equation wouldn't change that much I don't think. If he flooded the market with prints, as he almost did recently, that would be a different matter.
I honestly don't think it would make a blind bit of difference. It's fairly common knowledge anyway innit? I'm not so sure... Maybe this is to deep, but I just feel like so much obsession for any anonymous figure comes from the fact that people fill in the blank with what they want to see. . People like the idea of him being "anonymous" for sure. As you say it's romantic. But in terms of value etc the supply and demand equation wouldn't change that much I don't think. If he flooded the market with prints, as he almost did recently, that would be a different matter. |
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Daniel Silk on Jul 3, 2017 19:48:14 GMT 1,
Hey you guys!
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Laugh Now 10 on Jul 3, 2017 20:19:50 GMT 1, I'm not so sure... Maybe this is to deep, but I just feel like so much obsession for any anonymous figure comes from the fact that people fill in the blank with what they want to see. . People like the idea of him being "anonymous" for sure. As you say it's romantic. But in terms of value etc the supply and demand equation wouldn't change that much I don't think. If he flooded the market with prints, as he almost did recently, that would be a different matter.
why would "flooding" the market matter, either? the original issues will always be the original issues. the edition sizes have not changed from 10+ years ago except for the fact that there are even less of the original issued prints still in existence/in acceptable condition. that's a fact. I don't own a GWB but if I did I wouldn't have been worried one bit if the election print actually came out...
I'm not so sure... Maybe this is to deep, but I just feel like so much obsession for any anonymous figure comes from the fact that people fill in the blank with what they want to see. . People like the idea of him being "anonymous" for sure. As you say it's romantic. But in terms of value etc the supply and demand equation wouldn't change that much I don't think. If he flooded the market with prints, as he almost did recently, that would be a different matter. why would "flooding" the market matter, either? the original issues will always be the original issues. the edition sizes have not changed from 10+ years ago except for the fact that there are even less of the original issued prints still in existence/in acceptable condition. that's a fact. I don't own a GWB but if I did I wouldn't have been worried one bit if the election print actually came out... |
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 20:27:49 GMT 1, Yeah I agree with the supply side of what your saying Laughnow. My guess is more that demand decreases. I feel like if Banksy were unmasked, half the people I know would text me to ask if I heard the news, and they would all cast it in a negative light, as if the gig were up. And these are people that don't follow art at all. I just feel like the overall perception would be negative, and a portion of the art buying world would feel the same way, kind of like the magic was gone.
Yeah I agree with the supply side of what your saying Laughnow. My guess is more that demand decreases. I feel like if Banksy were unmasked, half the people I know would text me to ask if I heard the news, and they would all cast it in a negative light, as if the gig were up. And these are people that don't follow art at all. I just feel like the overall perception would be negative, and a portion of the art buying world would feel the same way, kind of like the magic was gone.
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Hairbland on Jul 3, 2017 21:52:36 GMT 1, . People like the idea of him being "anonymous" for sure. As you say it's romantic. But in terms of value etc the supply and demand equation wouldn't change that much I don't think. If he flooded the market with prints, as he almost did recently, that would be a different matter. why would "flooding" the market matter, either? the original issues will always be the original issues. the edition sizes have not changed from 10+ years ago except for the fact that there are even less of the original issued prints still in existence/in acceptable condition. that's a fact. I don't own a Girl With Balloon but if I did I wouldn't have been worried one bit if the election print actually came out...
I agree, the election print just part of the overall story and notoriety. More should be involved in politics, I see way more activity from musicians than urban artists (at least as to what makes it here) but the urban artists seem to be good at Valentine's art and such. People pay a lot for KAWS and they know who he is.
. People like the idea of him being "anonymous" for sure. As you say it's romantic. But in terms of value etc the supply and demand equation wouldn't change that much I don't think. If he flooded the market with prints, as he almost did recently, that would be a different matter. why would "flooding" the market matter, either? the original issues will always be the original issues. the edition sizes have not changed from 10+ years ago except for the fact that there are even less of the original issued prints still in existence/in acceptable condition. that's a fact. I don't own a Girl With Balloon but if I did I wouldn't have been worried one bit if the election print actually came out... I agree, the election print just part of the overall story and notoriety. More should be involved in politics, I see way more activity from musicians than urban artists (at least as to what makes it here) but the urban artists seem to be good at Valentine's art and such. People pay a lot for KAWS and they know who he is. |
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Hairbland on Jul 3, 2017 21:52:48 GMT 1, . People like the idea of him being "anonymous" for sure. As you say it's romantic. But in terms of value etc the supply and demand equation wouldn't change that much I don't think. If he flooded the market with prints, as he almost did recently, that would be a different matter. why would "flooding" the market matter, either? the original issues will always be the original issues. the edition sizes have not changed from 10+ years ago except for the fact that there are even less of the original issued prints still in existence/in acceptable condition. that's a fact. I don't own a Girl With Balloon but if I did I wouldn't have been worried one bit if the election print actually came out...
I agree, the election print just part of the overall story and notoriety. More should be involved in politics, I see way more activity from musicians than urban artists (at least as to what makes it here) but the urban artists seem to be good at Valentine's art and such. People pay a lot for KAWS and they know who he is.
. People like the idea of him being "anonymous" for sure. As you say it's romantic. But in terms of value etc the supply and demand equation wouldn't change that much I don't think. If he flooded the market with prints, as he almost did recently, that would be a different matter. why would "flooding" the market matter, either? the original issues will always be the original issues. the edition sizes have not changed from 10+ years ago except for the fact that there are even less of the original issued prints still in existence/in acceptable condition. that's a fact. I don't own a Girl With Balloon but if I did I wouldn't have been worried one bit if the election print actually came out... I agree, the election print just part of the overall story and notoriety. More should be involved in politics, I see way more activity from musicians than urban artists (at least as to what makes it here) but the urban artists seem to be good at Valentine's art and such. People pay a lot for KAWS and they know who he is. |
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by mint on Jul 3, 2017 22:00:30 GMT 1, Regardless of whoever the dude is his resume speaks for itself.
Can't see anything plummeting if he is unmasked.
I didn't get into his stuff back in 2005 because he was some man of mystery.
Just liked what he was putting out on the streets.
I think the main thing that would hurt market is a reissue of prints or some weird move.
The supply of people willing to sell is really getting low.
Regardless of whoever the dude is his resume speaks for itself.
Can't see anything plummeting if he is unmasked.
I didn't get into his stuff back in 2005 because he was some man of mystery.
Just liked what he was putting out on the streets.
I think the main thing that would hurt market is a reissue of prints or some weird move.
The supply of people willing to sell is really getting low.
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by slevin on Jul 3, 2017 22:35:20 GMT 1, No chance it affects the value of the work!
No chance it affects the value of the work!
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Sliding on the Walls on Jul 3, 2017 22:47:02 GMT 1, The person behind Banksy is not famous under their name for anything else. If he were, for example, a 'celebrity' then perhaps that would positively influence market rate as we are a fickle lot
The person behind Banksy is not famous under their name for anything else. If he were, for example, a 'celebrity' then perhaps that would positively influence market rate as we are a fickle lot
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Rouen Cathedral on Jul 3, 2017 23:02:09 GMT 1, Won't affect value cause the investors will find a way to spin it.
'Did he really reveal himself...'
'Print from when he was still anonymous'
'Banksy print greater than 3d'
Blah blah blah
Won't affect value cause the investors will find a way to spin it.
'Did he really reveal himself...'
'Print from when he was still anonymous'
'Banksy print greater than 3d'
Blah blah blah
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 23:25:58 GMT 1, Prices...... what ifs.......what do you think would happen...........who is..............
All I really want to know is do animals have accents?
Prices...... what ifs.......what do you think would happen...........who is..............
All I really want to know is do animals have accents?
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Rouen Cathedral on Jul 4, 2017 0:20:11 GMT 1, Prices...... what ifs.......what do you think would happen...........who is.............. All I really want to know is do animals have accents?
See it doesn't matter.
We will always get the 'what if he's lying about it...' mystery to drive prices. A great game for sure!
Prices...... what ifs.......what do you think would happen...........who is.............. All I really want to know is do animals have accents? See it doesn't matter. We will always get the 'what if he's lying about it...' mystery to drive prices. A great game for sure! |
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by maseo7 on Jul 4, 2017 2:48:18 GMT 1, I mentioned this a couple months ago that I could see Banksy re-issuing prints or flooding the market since that would be so "banksy" to give back to the people. What does he care about galleries and people who spend 40k on one of his signed prints. People buying at these prices are buying for investment purposes and those that got in early still got a great deal. I doubt he cares about the secondary market. He is charitable and anti-establishment. I think it would be great if he did it!
I mentioned this a couple months ago that I could see Banksy re-issuing prints or flooding the market since that would be so "banksy" to give back to the people. What does he care about galleries and people who spend 40k on one of his signed prints. People buying at these prices are buying for investment purposes and those that got in early still got a great deal. I doubt he cares about the secondary market. He is charitable and anti-establishment. I think it would be great if he did it!
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by mercboy on Jul 4, 2017 5:19:00 GMT 1, Prices...... what ifs.......what do you think would happen...........who is.............. All I really want to know is do animals have accents?
Prices...... what ifs.......what do you think would happen...........who is.............. All I really want to know is do animals have accents? Marine biologists recently discovered that Orca who live in large family pods have distinct vocal communication patterns (Languages) depending on where they grew up. So different accents wouldn't be a far stretch. |
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Whitefish on Jul 4, 2017 7:18:12 GMT 1, After reading this romantic thread, it brings to mind somthing similar
After reading this romantic thread, it brings to mind somthing similar
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 7:37:13 GMT 1, Would a Daft Punk album be better if they didn't wear masks?
Personally, the whole Banksy anonymity schtick is quite tiring and really from an era when his objective was to do illegal walls all over Bristol and London. Now days it's just a witty footnote in a Christies' catalogue.
Would a Daft Punk album be better if they didn't wear masks?
Personally, the whole Banksy anonymity schtick is quite tiring and really from an era when his objective was to do illegal walls all over Bristol and London. Now days it's just a witty footnote in a Christies' catalogue.
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Dibbs 45 on Jul 4, 2017 8:04:31 GMT 1, As usual people on this forum are becoming psychotherapists. I think he would do this or I think he would say that and he has always done this or did that . And the classic “do you think Banksy cares..." only team Banksy know the rest is speculation from investors and old school forty something's who followed the scene back in the day, who pine for those days and possibly resent the new school i.e. posh kids with money. And I of course speculate that this is the case. If Mr B Is unmasked presumably he would need to do an interview or two.
As usual people on this forum are becoming psychotherapists. I think he would do this or I think he would say that and he has always done this or did that . And the classic “do you think Banksy cares..." only team Banksy know the rest is speculation from investors and old school forty something's who followed the scene back in the day, who pine for those days and possibly resent the new school i.e. posh kids with money. And I of course speculate that this is the case. If Mr B Is unmasked presumably he would need to do an interview or two.
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by maxamaxa2 on Jul 4, 2017 11:24:10 GMT 1, If it turned out that Paris Hilton was Banksy I guess the value would somewhat be adjusted 
Otherwise the publicity would probably only make them more valuable, same if he released a huge bunch of election-prints. The only thing happening is that more people start dreaming of being able to own the "real deal".
If it turned out that Paris Hilton was Banksy I guess the value would somewhat be adjusted Otherwise the publicity would probably only make them more valuable, same if he released a huge bunch of election-prints. The only thing happening is that more people start dreaming of being able to own the "real deal". |
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Rouen Cathedral on Jul 4, 2017 11:42:41 GMT 1, I mentioned this a couple months ago that I could see Banksy re-issuing prints or flooding the market since that would be so "banksy" to give back to the people. What does he care about galleries and people who spend 40k on one of his signed prints. People buying at these prices are buying for investment purposes and those that got in early still got a great deal. I doubt he cares about the secondary market. He is charitable and anti-establishment. I think it would be great if he did it!
Re issuing prints wouldn't work. The inversions would play the 'oh this is an original edition' card and try to maintain prices. The real way would be to release actual prints like shep. You'd still get a similar thing though.
Maybe if he rereleased prints and scrapped PC. Now that would be something. Release another edition size exactly matching the irginial and make no way to tell one from another.
However I think it's safe to say banksy does care about his brand and his market.
I mentioned this a couple months ago that I could see Banksy re-issuing prints or flooding the market since that would be so "banksy" to give back to the people. What does he care about galleries and people who spend 40k on one of his signed prints. People buying at these prices are buying for investment purposes and those that got in early still got a great deal. I doubt he cares about the secondary market. He is charitable and anti-establishment. I think it would be great if he did it! Re issuing prints wouldn't work. The inversions would play the 'oh this is an original edition' card and try to maintain prices. The real way would be to release actual prints like shep. You'd still get a similar thing though. Maybe if he rereleased prints and scrapped PC. Now that would be something. Release another edition size exactly matching the irginial and make no way to tell one from another. However I think it's safe to say banksy does care about his brand and his market. |
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by barryh on Jul 4, 2017 12:52:04 GMT 1, Reissues is a pointless discussion, but he obviously cares about the secondary market... or he wouldn't be selling direct to the rich for secondary market prices.
Reissues is a pointless discussion, but he obviously cares about the secondary market... or he wouldn't be selling direct to the rich for secondary market prices.
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 14:13:34 GMT 1, Would a Daft Punk album be better if they didn't wear masks? Personally, the whole Banksy anonymity schtick is quite tiring and really from an era when his objective was to do illegal walls all over Bristol and London. Now days it's just a witty footnote in a Christies' catalogue.
The album definitely wouldn't be better, but I also don't think they would be as famous. Plenty of people know "those two DJ's with the masks that are anonymous" and have never heard a daft punk track
Would a Daft Punk album be better if they didn't wear masks? Personally, the whole Banksy anonymity schtick is quite tiring and really from an era when his objective was to do illegal walls all over Bristol and London. Now days it's just a witty footnote in a Christies' catalogue. The album definitely wouldn't be better, but I also don't think they would be as famous. Plenty of people know "those two DJ's with the masks that are anonymous" and have never heard a daft punk track |
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Dive Jedi on Jul 4, 2017 20:13:32 GMT 1, After reading this romantic thread, it brings to mind somthing similar 
After reading this romantic thread, it brings to mind somthing similar Hahaha, did I start a new tradition? |
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BANKSY if the mask came off..., by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 20:40:38 GMT 1, I was trusted not to tell anyone all these years but now's the time. Banksy is Donald Trump. Sell, Sell, Sell!
I was trusted not to tell anyone all these years but now's the time. Banksy is Donald Trump. Sell, Sell, Sell!
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