nobokov
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by nobokov on Aug 8, 2017 22:40:26 GMT 1, Post those artists and galleries who are the best and worst, from your experience.
Best:
Library Street Collective and Pose- usually shipped flat and between hard wood boards
Shepard Fairey - sufficient kraft paper, sized according to the poster tubes and with tabs on their tape, for easy removal.
Worst:
Post those artists and galleries who are the best and worst, from your experience.
Best:
Library Street Collective and Pose- usually shipped flat and between hard wood boards
Shepard Fairey - sufficient kraft paper, sized according to the poster tubes and with tabs on their tape, for easy removal.
Worst:
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Masong
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by Masong on Aug 8, 2017 23:05:10 GMT 1, I purchased a Paco Pomet Once Upon a Time from C M Walter in Spain and the packaging was the best I've ever seen. It had to be shipped flat due to the card it was printed on and received perfect in the UK. It's never taken so long just to get into a print.
As for the bad I've been lucky. Only had grief from idiots on the bay just sticking them in a tube with nothing to protect at all.
I purchased a Paco Pomet Once Upon a Time from C M Walter in Spain and the packaging was the best I've ever seen. It had to be shipped flat due to the card it was printed on and received perfect in the UK. It's never taken so long just to get into a print.
As for the bad I've been lucky. Only had grief from idiots on the bay just sticking them in a tube with nothing to protect at all.
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ca
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by ca on Aug 9, 2017 3:23:40 GMT 1, the packing by AvantArte for the Katrin Fridriks prints was terrible but I think they might of learned from their mistakes
the packing by AvantArte for the Katrin Fridriks prints was terrible but I think they might of learned from their mistakes
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d.r. perseus
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by d.r. perseus on Aug 9, 2017 3:24:55 GMT 1, I won't call anyone out but my experience is artists are much worse at it than galleries.
I won't call anyone out but my experience is artists are much worse at it than galleries.
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Winks
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by Winks on Aug 9, 2017 5:49:22 GMT 1, Galerie42b in Paris packaging is amazing. I bought a canvas from them and the packaging must have cost ยฃ40, two separate sets of corners, bubble wrap, specialist art crate, the lot. It took half an hour to open.
Not particularly good for the planet ๐ but I have recycled most of it.
The worst was an Ermsy print which looked like a mallet had been used to get it in the tube. Arrived with no lid. They did refund with no fuss.
Galerie42b in Paris packaging is amazing. I bought a canvas from them and the packaging must have cost ยฃ40, two separate sets of corners, bubble wrap, specialist art crate, the lot. It took half an hour to open.
Not particularly good for the planet ๐ but I have recycled most of it.
The worst was an Ermsy print which looked like a mallet had been used to get it in the tube. Arrived with no lid. They did refund with no fuss.
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nobokov
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by nobokov on Aug 9, 2017 5:58:41 GMT 1, the packing by AvantArte for the Katrin Fridriks prints was terrible but I think they might of learned from their mistakes
the packing by AvantArte for the Katrin Fridriks prints was terrible but I think they might of learned from their mistakes I don't feel that their packing was terrible at all. They just missed one tiny but crucial element. |
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Artfan13
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by Artfan13 on Aug 9, 2017 7:52:17 GMT 1, the packing by AvantArte for the Katrin Fridriks prints was terrible but I think they might of learned from their mistakes I don't feel that their packing was terrible at all. They just missed one tiny but crucial element.
I actually think they spent quite a bit of money on their packaging, more a case of lack of experience.
To be honest it's amazing that so many prints actually make it in one piece to their final destination given how many vans, aeroplanes, boats some of them need to go on before reaching their final destination.
the packing by AvantArte for the Katrin Fridriks prints was terrible but I think they might of learned from their mistakes I don't feel that their packing was terrible at all. They just missed one tiny but crucial element. I actually think they spent quite a bit of money on their packaging, more a case of lack of experience. To be honest it's amazing that so many prints actually make it in one piece to their final destination given how many vans, aeroplanes, boats some of them need to go on before reaching their final destination. |
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by searchandrescue on Aug 9, 2017 8:48:28 GMT 1, As a rule I'd imagine galleries and artists care, I think it's more some of the freight handlers that don't. Had some bad experiences with USPS and Parcelfarce, not my choice of shippers but had no option but to accept...not such good times!
As a rule I'd imagine galleries and artists care, I think it's more some of the freight handlers that don't. Had some bad experiences with USPS and Parcelfarce, not my choice of shippers but had no option but to accept...not such good times!
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mrizzle
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by mrizzle on Aug 9, 2017 9:42:04 GMT 1, Out of curiosity, what would you consider to be "good packaging" for a print?
Out of curiosity, what would you consider to be "good packaging" for a print?
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 16:18:35 GMT 1, Not a gallery, well to be honest his collection is pretty much a gallery worth, but Harveynย sent the best packed piece of art I've ever recieved.
Think it took a good hour or so to just get to get to the soft packing part
Not a gallery, well to be honest his collection is pretty much a gallery worth, but Harveynย sent the best packed piece of art I've ever recieved. Think it took a good hour or so to just get to get to the soft packing part |
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by Daniel Silk on Aug 9, 2017 17:34:39 GMT 1, Yeah, I think when it's a big print release maybe some galleries bring in temporary staff to help with packaging, and they don't always understand how to handle prints with care. Also the types of paper used can cause problems  I had a piece recently damaged as the paper was very soft, so was easily creased when it was rolled and packed.
Yeah, I think when it's a big print release maybe some galleries bring in temporary staff to help with packaging, and they don't always understand how to handle prints with care. Also the types of paper used can cause problems I had a piece recently damaged as the paper was very soft, so was easily creased when it was rolled and packed. |
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 18:25:28 GMT 1, Yeah, I think when it's a big print release maybe some galleries bring in temporary staff to help with packaging, and they don't always understand how to handle prints with care. Also the types of paper used can cause problems I had a piece recently damaged as the paper was very soft, so was easily creased when it was rolled and packed.
I remember Stolenspace getting a work experience worker or to roll the prints for a Kai and Sunny release. Safe to say said worker wasn't offered a job after numerous complaints and send backs
Yeah, I think when it's a big print release maybe some galleries bring in temporary staff to help with packaging, and they don't always understand how to handle prints with care. Also the types of paper used can cause problems I had a piece recently damaged as the paper was very soft, so was easily creased when it was rolled and packed. I remember Stolenspace getting a work experience worker or to roll the prints for a Kai and Sunny release. Safe to say said worker wasn't offered a job after numerous complaints and send backs |
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by Daniel Silk on Aug 9, 2017 18:30:55 GMT 1, Yeah, in a big valuable print release it could practically break a gallery!
Imagine the whole edition get sent back damaged and need to be replaced or refunded? Could be serious money.
Yeah, in a big valuable print release it could practically break a gallery!
Imagine the whole edition get sent back damaged and need to be replaced or refunded? Could be serious money.
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docean
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by docean on Aug 9, 2017 19:07:40 GMT 1, Best:
Galerie COA, Other Criteria, GP, Obey
Worst:
Usually just one-off people I buy from who don't care once they have my money
Best:
Galerie COA, Other Criteria, GP, Obey
Worst:
Usually just one-off people I buy from who don't care once they have my money
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Dive Jedi
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by Dive Jedi on Aug 9, 2017 20:25:12 GMT 1, Graffiti Prints folks have packaging Black Belts, especially the Alu/Brass pieces are bulletproof.
Haven't had any bad experience luckily.
Received a damaged Shep last week, but they sent me a new one, so that's cool. Wasn't due to package.
Graffiti Prints folks have packaging Black Belts, especially the Alu/Brass pieces are bulletproof.
Haven't had any bad experience luckily.
Received a damaged Shep last week, but they sent me a new one, so that's cool. Wasn't due to package.
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Paname
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by Paname on Aug 9, 2017 22:08:23 GMT 1, best i never see
Kaikai Kiki Gallery
best i never see
Kaikai Kiki Gallery
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Martin M
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by Martin M on Aug 9, 2017 22:15:15 GMT 1, Best I've ever had .....
Other Criteria (Brilliant)
Counter Editions
Best I've ever had .....
Other Criteria (Brilliant)
Counter Editions
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nighthawk
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by nighthawk on Aug 10, 2017 13:18:27 GMT 1, Out of curiosity, what would you consider to be "good packaging" for a print?
If being rolled, the print simply needs to be secured in kraft paper that is a good length longer at both ends, ideally going to the ends of the tube. As long as the tube is a good one (Graffiti Prints's tubes are by far THE BEST), and the print isn't moving at all inside the tube, the print should arrive unscathed!
It's truly hard to go wrong with rolling a print and following the advice above. I feel that it offers the least amount of risk when shipping a print.
*If something is missed, it's normally the gallery or artist using kraft that is too short, (or a tube that is too short) thus allowing the rolled print to bang around inside the tube, and often crushing the edges of the print.
If shipping flat, pack between hard board, leaving a good amount of space around the print, and it should arrive in great condition!
*If something is missed, it's normally not leaving enough space around the print (i.e.: too close to the corners), or not using hard board, resulting in a variety of possible damage outcomes!
Out of curiosity, what would you consider to be "good packaging" for a print? My 2cents... If being rolled, the print simply needs to be secured in kraft paper that is a good length longer at both ends, ideally going to the ends of the tube. As long as the tube is a good one (Graffiti Prints's tubes are by far THE BEST), and the print isn't moving at all inside the tube, the print should arrive unscathed! It's truly hard to go wrong with rolling a print and following the advice above. I feel that it offers the least amount of risk when shipping a print. *If something is missed, it's normally the gallery or artist using kraft that is too short, (or a tube that is too short) thus allowing the rolled print to bang around inside the tube, and often crushing the edges of the print. If shipping flat, pack between hard board, leaving a good amount of space around the print, and it should arrive in great condition! *If something is missed, it's normally not leaving enough space around the print (i.e.: too close to the corners), or not using hard board, resulting in a variety of possible damage outcomes! |
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by Schrรถdinger's Chat on Aug 10, 2017 14:30:18 GMT 1, I've noticed a few galleries leaving an extra length of kraft paper that gets hooked over the outside of the tube and secured by the lid, this prevents anything moving around in transit.
I've noticed a few galleries leaving an extra length of kraft paper that gets hooked over the outside of the tube and secured by the lid, this prevents anything moving around in transit.
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pcant
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by pcant on Aug 10, 2017 14:56:11 GMT 1, Out of curiosity, what would you consider to be "good packaging" for a print?
If you're talking a rolled print: Print is rolled tighter than the tube, wrapped in paper and taped so it won't unroll. Then that rolled print is put into a tube with balled paper at each end so that the rolled print is essentially suspended. You don't want the print to touch the walls of the tube in case the tube gets damaged. And use a seriously big fat tube.
If you have to send a print flat I would use thin panels of wood for the outside layer.
POW used to be excellent at print shipping, haven't gotten anything from them in a while. I once ordered a Blek le Rat print from a hotel in NY where he had a show and it came in a tube with one of the end caps missing. Somehow it survived the journey intact.
Out of curiosity, what would you consider to be "good packaging" for a print? If you're talking a rolled print: Print is rolled tighter than the tube, wrapped in paper and taped so it won't unroll. Then that rolled print is put into a tube with balled paper at each end so that the rolled print is essentially suspended. You don't want the print to touch the walls of the tube in case the tube gets damaged. And use a seriously big fat tube. If you have to send a print flat I would use thin panels of wood for the outside layer. POW used to be excellent at print shipping, haven't gotten anything from them in a while. I once ordered a Blek le Rat print from a hotel in NY where he had a show and it came in a tube with one of the end caps missing. Somehow it survived the journey intact. |
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nobokov
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by nobokov on Aug 10, 2017 18:14:02 GMT 1, Out of curiosity, what would you consider to be "good packaging" for a print? If you're talking a rolled print: Print is rolled tighter than the tube, wrapped in paper and taped so it won't unroll. Then that rolled print is put into a tube with balled paper at each end so that the rolled print is essentially suspended. You don't want the print to touch the walls of the tube in case the tube gets damaged. And use a seriously big fat tube. If you have to send a print flat I would use thin panels of wood for the outside layer. POW used to be excellent at print shipping, haven't gotten anything from them in a while. I once ordered a Blek le Rat print from a hotel in NY where he had a show and it came in a tube with one of the end caps missing. Somehow it survived the journey intact.
Out of curiosity, what would you consider to be "good packaging" for a print? If you're talking a rolled print: Print is rolled tighter than the tube, wrapped in paper and taped so it won't unroll. Then that rolled print is put into a tube with balled paper at each end so that the rolled print is essentially suspended. You don't want the print to touch the walls of the tube in case the tube gets damaged. And use a seriously big fat tube. If you have to send a print flat I would use thin panels of wood for the outside layer. POW used to be excellent at print shipping, haven't gotten anything from them in a while. I once ordered a Blek le Rat print from a hotel in NY where he had a show and it came in a tube with one of the end caps missing. Somehow it survived the journey intact. POW now shoves a poster into a tiny tube without kraft paper and rubber bands the poster leaving rubber band creases. Needless to say, they don't seem to give a shit anymore. |
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pcant
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by pcant on Aug 10, 2017 18:21:39 GMT 1, That's unfortunate to hear.
That's unfortunate to hear.
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Octopus UK
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by Octopus UK on Aug 10, 2017 19:50:06 GMT 1, Corrugated cardboard has strength in one direction only. I have had prints shipped in the middle of four sheets of such cardboard all orientated in the same direction. Very strong in one direction but hopelessly weak in the opposite direction.
Corrugated cardboard has strength in one direction only. I have had prints shipped in the middle of four sheets of such cardboard all orientated in the same direction. Very strong in one direction but hopelessly weak in the opposite direction.
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nobokov
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by nobokov on Aug 10, 2017 19:54:51 GMT 1, Corrugated cardboard has strength in one direction only. I have had prints shipped in the middle of four sheets of such cardboard all orientated in the same direction. Very strong in one direction but hopelessly weak in the opposite direction.
Corrugated cardboard has strength in one direction only. I have had prints shipped in the middle of four sheets of such cardboard all orientated in the same direction. Very strong in one direction but hopelessly weak in the opposite direction. I find its best to alternate the grain with multiple sheets. Makes it really strong. |
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mose
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by mose on Aug 10, 2017 19:56:56 GMT 1, From some discussions I've had, sometimes you get something like this. That $2000 mixed media original you bought direct from an artist means something to you. It means about 2 hours and $20 of material to them. So, they treat it as such because to them it is easily replaceable, not 'special'. Their view of their own work is substantially different than yours. Its a product and, in many case, a cheap one to make. The time and cost to get proper shipping materials could be enough to produce three or four more of them.
I notice, and not saying this is right, that I pack substantially better when I am desperate for money than when I am just selling to clean out. I know a 4" or 5" diameter Yazoo Mills tubes and glassine will never let me down. I know PVC pipe(always wash it out in the shower) + end caps + hacksaw will never let me down. But, if I don't really need the money, I find myself reaching for kraft paper and a thin uline that I have somewhere in the back of the closet saved from a purchase ten years ago.
From some discussions I've had, sometimes you get something like this. That $2000 mixed media original you bought direct from an artist means something to you. It means about 2 hours and $20 of material to them. So, they treat it as such because to them it is easily replaceable, not 'special'. Their view of their own work is substantially different than yours. Its a product and, in many case, a cheap one to make. The time and cost to get proper shipping materials could be enough to produce three or four more of them.
I notice, and not saying this is right, that I pack substantially better when I am desperate for money than when I am just selling to clean out. I know a 4" or 5" diameter Yazoo Mills tubes and glassine will never let me down. I know PVC pipe(always wash it out in the shower) + end caps + hacksaw will never let me down. But, if I don't really need the money, I find myself reaching for kraft paper and a thin uline that I have somewhere in the back of the closet saved from a purchase ten years ago.
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dhrleuk
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by dhrleuk on Aug 10, 2017 21:28:52 GMT 1, Best tube I ever received was from an artist.
Sent the print in a square tube, not the s**tty 'put-it-together-yourself' square tube, but a solid, near unbreakable tube. Don't know why not more people use these?
Best tube I ever received was from an artist. Sent the print in a square tube, not the s**tty 'put-it-together-yourself' square tube, but a solid, near unbreakable tube. Don't know why not more people use these? |
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touchdowntodd
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by touchdowntodd on Aug 10, 2017 21:37:34 GMT 1, Best tube I ever received was from an artist. Sent the print in a square tube, not the s**tty 'put-it-together-yourself' square tube, but a solid, near unbreakable tube. ย Don't know why not more people use these?
Invader just used those last release
Best tube I ever received was from an artist. Sent the print in a square tube, not the s**tty 'put-it-together-yourself' square tube, but a solid, near unbreakable tube. ย Don't know why not more people use these? Invader just used those last release |
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by Daniel Silk on Aug 10, 2017 21:45:04 GMT 1, Best tube I ever received was from an artist. Sent the print in a square tube, not the s**tty 'put-it-together-yourself' square tube, but a solid, near unbreakable tube. Don't know why not more people use these? Invader just used those last release
How do they pack the print inside?
Best tube I ever received was from an artist. Sent the print in a square tube, not the s**tty 'put-it-together-yourself' square tube, but a solid, near unbreakable tube. Don't know why not more people use these? Invader just used those last release Mmmmm never seen those before. How do they pack the print inside? |
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dhrleuk
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by dhrleuk on Aug 10, 2017 22:05:15 GMT 1, Invader just used those last release Mmmmm never seen those before. How do they pack the print inside?
kraft paper around print, just as with usual round tube.
the square tube also makes sure that the tube doesn't roll away at any moment in the shipping process, which i think accounts for most of the damages or missing tubes.
Invader just used those last release Mmmmm never seen those before. How do they pack the print inside? kraft paper around print, just as with usual round tube. the square tube also makes sure that the tube doesn't roll away at any moment in the shipping process, which i think accounts for most of the damages or missing tubes. |
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Why are galleries and artists so terrible at packing prints?, by Fะฏ on Aug 10, 2017 22:18:33 GMT 1, Invader just used those last release Mmmmm never seen those before. How do they pack the print inside?
With a marching band??
Roll it i guess! ๐
Invader just used those last release Mmmmm never seen those before. How do they pack the print inside? With a marching band?? Roll it i guess! ๐ |
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I had a piece recently damaged as the paper was very soft, so was easily creased when it was rolled and packed.
