Masong
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by Masong on Aug 9, 2017 19:50:48 GMT 1, So a print is being released that isn't to your taste and certainly wouldn't make it on your wall but you know that it is highly desirable and collectible. You know that you could at least 5x your money which would allow you to purchase that print or other artwork that you've always wanted but has always been out of reach financially and is always likely to be. Would you flip so you could get the one you've always wanted on your wall?
So a print is being released that isn't to your taste and certainly wouldn't make it on your wall but you know that it is highly desirable and collectible. You know that you could at least 5x your money which would allow you to purchase that print or other artwork that you've always wanted but has always been out of reach financially and is always likely to be. Would you flip so you could get the one you've always wanted on your wall?
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by aml on Aug 9, 2017 20:08:15 GMT 1, Absolutely.
Absolutely.
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 20:16:50 GMT 1, I was called out a few years ago when I bought an Invader kit and chose to sell it 3 weeks after release to buy another piece. I bought a piece which is still with me and I agree I fell into the flipper category. Have I done it since, no. Would I do it again yes. However I only tend to buy the art I wanna keep these days.
I was called out a few years ago when I bought an Invader kit and chose to sell it 3 weeks after release to buy another piece. I bought a piece which is still with me and I agree I fell into the flipper category. Have I done it since, no. Would I do it again yes. However I only tend to buy the art I wanna keep these days.
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by Dive Jedi on Aug 9, 2017 20:17:47 GMT 1, So a print is being released that isn't to your taste and certainly wouldn't make it on your wall but you know that it is highly desirable and collectible. You know that you could at least 5x your money . Absolutely
So a print is being released that isn't to your taste and certainly wouldn't make it on your wall but you know that it is highly desirable and collectible. You know that you could at least 5x your money . Absolutely
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by ca on Aug 9, 2017 20:20:22 GMT 1, Never done it so far but would of been willing to do it with a sure bet like the latest Invader, for example. Thing that bugs me is most of the hyped up crap usually is not of my taste so I have a hard time spending my money on a piece of sh!t that could potentially end up not being flipped for profit.
Never done it so far but would of been willing to do it with a sure bet like the latest Invader, for example. Thing that bugs me is most of the hyped up crap usually is not of my taste so I have a hard time spending my money on a piece of sh!t that could potentially end up not being flipped for profit.
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by oxfordwelshchap on Aug 9, 2017 20:22:25 GMT 1, Not my ball to be honest mate. Business is business as they say. Don't love the blatant attempts of some on here though!
Not my ball to be honest mate. Business is business as they say. Don't love the blatant attempts of some on here though!
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by yoyosh on Aug 9, 2017 20:37:06 GMT 1, I would
I would
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by redbirds on Aug 9, 2017 20:38:47 GMT 1, Yes .never personally flipped but I would if it meant reaching an end game of something I strongly desired . Would have done it with new invader to get a Pejac on my wall ...I myself see a difference between flipping and reinvesting in another piece and just doing it for a cash grab ..but that's just my opinion .
Yes .never personally flipped but I would if it meant reaching an end game of something I strongly desired . Would have done it with new invader to get a Pejac on my wall ...I myself see a difference between flipping and reinvesting in another piece and just doing it for a cash grab ..but that's just my opinion .
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by Lunch Special on Aug 9, 2017 20:46:49 GMT 1, If I could buy anything that would get me closer to one day owning a laugh now unsigned or signed I would be one happy (flipper) camper ๐ค
If I could buy anything that would get me closer to one day owning a laugh now unsigned or signed I would be one happy (flipper) camper ๐ค
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by artearte on Aug 9, 2017 21:57:04 GMT 1, So a print is being released that isn't to your taste and certainly wouldn't make it on your wall but you know that it is highly desirable and collectible. You know that you could at least 5x your money which would allow you to purchase that print or other artwork that you've always wanted but has always been out of reach financially and is always likely to be. Would you flip so you could get the one you've always wanted on your wall?
Print is your, you bought it and you can do what you like with it! If in 6 month is worth lest than what pay paid for it, not one will give you the money back!
Sale it and go on holiday, people's in the forum don't go on holiday but they need to do the house extension, need to pay tax, kids school etc
Sale it but and do what you like! And congratulation to score it.
So a print is being released that isn't to your taste and certainly wouldn't make it on your wall but you know that it is highly desirable and collectible. You know that you could at least 5x your money which would allow you to purchase that print or other artwork that you've always wanted but has always been out of reach financially and is always likely to be. Would you flip so you could get the one you've always wanted on your wall? Print is your, you bought it and you can do what you like with it! If in 6 month is worth lest than what pay paid for it, not one will give you the money back! Sale it and go on holiday, people's in the forum don't go on holiday but they need to do the house extension, need to pay tax, kids school etc Sale it but and do what you like! And congratulation to score it.
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by Hairbland on Aug 9, 2017 22:32:14 GMT 1,
I think everyone would. Whether they admit it or not.
I think everyone would. Whether they admit it or not.
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by Buff Monster Fan on Aug 9, 2017 22:33:42 GMT 1, My guess is that the majority of members on this board have, would consider, or are currently flipping a piece to fund another. I define "flipping" as buying something purposely for immediate or short term profit...not buying something and changing your mind or not loving the look/feel/etc. once it arrives, which happens. I find it hard to embrace the process, but I can't blame folks - it's theirs and they can do with it what they want.
That said, I think there are a few things specifically that irk UA members:
1. Immediate flipping, i.e. posting the same hour/day/week that it's acquired, or worse yet, posting before the item is even shipped 2. Flipping here vs. a selling on your preferred auction site. If a UA member wants the piece, they'll find it, and it saves the flipper the process of inciting the masses 3. Defending your flip or arguing with forum members - if you're going to flip, accept that you're likely going to get roasted for it
Again, I can't say there's anything at all wrong with any of this, it's basic entrepreneurship
BMF
My guess is that the majority of members on this board have, would consider, or are currently flipping a piece to fund another. I define "flipping" as buying something purposely for immediate or short term profit...not buying something and changing your mind or not loving the look/feel/etc. once it arrives, which happens. I find it hard to embrace the process, but I can't blame folks - it's theirs and they can do with it what they want. That said, I think there are a few things specifically that irk UA members: 1. Immediate flipping, i.e. posting the same hour/day/week that it's acquired, or worse yet, posting before the item is even shipped 2. Flipping here vs. a selling on your preferred auction site. If a UA member wants the piece, they'll find it, and it saves the flipper the process of inciting the masses 3. Defending your flip or arguing with forum members - if you're going to flip, accept that you're likely going to get roasted for it Again, I can't say there's anything at all wrong with any of this, it's basic entrepreneurship BMF
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by Coach on Aug 9, 2017 22:44:30 GMT 1, No.
No.
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Masong
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by Masong on Aug 9, 2017 22:57:09 GMT 1,
Not even to somebody that wasn't privy to your own circle? So at what point does a flip stop becoming a flip? What is the timescale? Just interested to know. Cheers
Not even to somebody that wasn't privy to your own circle? So at what point does a flip stop becoming a flip? What is the timescale? Just interested to know. Cheers
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by Coach on Aug 9, 2017 23:05:44 GMT 1, Not even to somebody that wasn't privy to your own circle? So at what point does a flip stop becoming a flip? What is the timescale? Just interested to know. Cheers
As you are asking - Nothing to do with what anyone else thinks. I don't think it's right to profit from someone else's creative endeavour, at the expense of others who may not be able to afford an inflated price. I think that if a member is going to flip, they shouldn't do so here - take it to eBay.
Not even to somebody that wasn't privy to your own circle? So at what point does a flip stop becoming a flip? What is the timescale? Just interested to know. Cheers As you are asking - Nothing to do with what anyone else thinks. I don't think it's right to profit from someone else's creative endeavour, at the expense of others who may not be able to afford an inflated price. I think that if a member is going to flip, they shouldn't do so here - take it to eBay.
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by Jaylove on Aug 9, 2017 23:08:53 GMT 1, I think everyone would. Whether they admit it or not. Maybe, maybe not. I could have flipped plenty of things, and just didn't. Maybe I'm not smart but I can't spend money on something I do not see on my wall. Case in point, the last Parra print. Had it in my cart then realized I didn't like it that much and left it for someone else. I could have easily sold it and grabbed the dface that I'm looking for. Again, not the smartest thing but some of us just don't flip. I'm not saying I'm above it....I just don't want to be stuck with a print I don't like.
I think everyone would. Whether they admit it or not. Maybe, maybe not. I could have flipped plenty of things, and just didn't. Maybe I'm not smart but I can't spend money on something I do not see on my wall. Case in point, the last Parra print. Had it in my cart then realized I didn't like it that much and left it for someone else. I could have easily sold it and grabbed the dface that I'm looking for. Again, not the smartest thing but some of us just don't flip. I'm not saying I'm above it....I just don't want to be stuck with a print I don't like.
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Masong
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by Masong on Aug 9, 2017 23:16:46 GMT 1, Not even to somebody that wasn't privy to your own circle? So at what point does a flip stop becoming a flip? What is the timescale? Just interested to know. Cheers As you are asking - Nothing to do with what anyone else thinks. I don't think it's right to profit from someone else's creative endeavour, at the expense of others who may not be able to afford an inflated price. I think that if a member is going to flip, they shouldn't do so here - take it to eBay.
I feel the same that things shouldn't be flipped on an art forum. It's a blatant ๐๐ฝto the other people that tried to get it. My question was more as a general i.e as you say an EBay auction. I know you have said that you wouldn't flip but does that include an anonymous auction? I've purchased prints before that on arrival I've not liked as much as I'd hoped. If said print is worth 5x as much am I still a flipper if I get rid of it as I don't like it? I'm sure you'll say give it to another collector for cost but what if they then sell it 3months down the line for 5x the amount is that ok?
Not even to somebody that wasn't privy to your own circle? So at what point does a flip stop becoming a flip? What is the timescale? Just interested to know. Cheers As you are asking - Nothing to do with what anyone else thinks. I don't think it's right to profit from someone else's creative endeavour, at the expense of others who may not be able to afford an inflated price. I think that if a member is going to flip, they shouldn't do so here - take it to eBay. I feel the same that things shouldn't be flipped on an art forum. It's a blatant ๐๐ฝto the other people that tried to get it. My question was more as a general i.e as you say an EBay auction. I know you have said that you wouldn't flip but does that include an anonymous auction? I've purchased prints before that on arrival I've not liked as much as I'd hoped. If said print is worth 5x as much am I still a flipper if I get rid of it as I don't like it? I'm sure you'll say give it to another collector for cost but what if they then sell it 3months down the line for 5x the amount is that ok?
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by Coach on Aug 9, 2017 23:27:16 GMT 1, As you are asking - Nothing to do with what anyone else thinks. I don't think it's right to profit from someone else's creative endeavour, at the expense of others who may not be able to afford an inflated price. I think that if a member is going to flip, they shouldn't do so here - take it to eBay. I feel the same that things shouldn't be flipped on an art forum. It's a blatant ๐๐ฝto the other people that tried to get it. My question was more as a general i.e as you say an EBay auction. I know you have said that you wouldn't flip but does that include an anonymous auction? I've purchased prints before that on arrival I've not liked as much as I'd hoped. If said print is worth 5x as much am I still a flipper if I get rid of it as I don't like it? I'm sure you'll say give it to another collector for cost but what if they then sell it 3months down the line for 5x the amount is that ok?
Obviously I can only speak for myself. Like I said, being able to flip anonymously makes no difference to me - I'm concerned with how I feel about my own actions. I agree that those that want to flip should do so off the forum, most likely on eBay. As for your specific example, in my eyes it would not be a flip to sell a piece that you had intended to keep, but which on arrival you did not like. You didn't buy with the intention of immediately selling on for a profit. I think that's most likely rare though. You also inevitably run the risk that you simply won't be believed (though this may well not be a concern).
As you are asking - Nothing to do with what anyone else thinks. I don't think it's right to profit from someone else's creative endeavour, at the expense of others who may not be able to afford an inflated price. I think that if a member is going to flip, they shouldn't do so here - take it to eBay. I feel the same that things shouldn't be flipped on an art forum. It's a blatant ๐๐ฝto the other people that tried to get it. My question was more as a general i.e as you say an EBay auction. I know you have said that you wouldn't flip but does that include an anonymous auction? I've purchased prints before that on arrival I've not liked as much as I'd hoped. If said print is worth 5x as much am I still a flipper if I get rid of it as I don't like it? I'm sure you'll say give it to another collector for cost but what if they then sell it 3months down the line for 5x the amount is that ok? Obviously I can only speak for myself. Like I said, being able to flip anonymously makes no difference to me - I'm concerned with how I feel about my own actions. I agree that those that want to flip should do so off the forum, most likely on eBay. As for your specific example, in my eyes it would not be a flip to sell a piece that you had intended to keep, but which on arrival you did not like. You didn't buy with the intention of immediately selling on for a profit. I think that's most likely rare though. You also inevitably run the risk that you simply won't be believed (though this may well not be a concern).
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 23:28:39 GMT 1, I have never flipped a piece in my life, the art I got from source is all on my walls. But I have to say, I was REALLY against is when I got into this whole art world, because it was really frowned upon on this forum, which was my main source of information for over a year.
But these days it seems like everyone is flippin. It kinda lowers my standard of caring. I still laugh when 10 new invaders are flipped here because of all the horrible excuses people come up with the make a profit, but at the same time I'm pretty close to doing so myself.
I have never flipped a piece in my life, the art I got from source is all on my walls. But I have to say, I was REALLY against is when I got into this whole art world, because it was really frowned upon on this forum, which was my main source of information for over a year.
But these days it seems like everyone is flippin. It kinda lowers my standard of caring. I still laugh when 10 new invaders are flipped here because of all the horrible excuses people come up with the make a profit, but at the same time I'm pretty close to doing so myself.
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by nex on Aug 9, 2017 23:39:50 GMT 1, Let's get some things straight:
- this place was born of an ebay forum discussing banksy prints (specifically fakes, but also many other things) - yes buying/selling causes animosity and disputes, but without it, I doubt this place would have had the longevity or member base. It would have been a small collectors club. - buying and selling fuels this and every art market, it is not immoral or unethical - what is unethical and immoral is manipulating that market - what is unethical and immoral is making prices up with little evidence and saying it's the truth - having a temper tantrum born of jealousy because someone sells something you wanted and didn't get, is just that a temper tantrum
Let's get some things straight:
- this place was born of an ebay forum discussing banksy prints (specifically fakes, but also many other things) - yes buying/selling causes animosity and disputes, but without it, I doubt this place would have had the longevity or member base. It would have been a small collectors club. - buying and selling fuels this and every art market, it is not immoral or unethical - what is unethical and immoral is manipulating that market - what is unethical and immoral is making prices up with little evidence and saying it's the truth - having a temper tantrum born of jealousy because someone sells something you wanted and didn't get, is just that a temper tantrum
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 23:40:25 GMT 1, I have never flipped a piece in my life, the art I got from source is all on my walls. But I have to say, I was REALLY against is when I got into this whole art world, because it was really frowned upon on this forum, which was my main source of information for over a year. But these days it seems like everyone is flippin. It kinda lowers my standard of caring. I still laugh when 10 new invaders are flipped here because of all the horrible excuses people come up with the make a profit, but at the same time I'm pretty close to doing so myself.
I think the Buyers have changed, its not about art, its speculation, thats it.... the end, thank you and good night.
as some old bloke said earlier, ebay for flipping, not here, its awfully dull
I have never flipped a piece in my life, the art I got from source is all on my walls. But I have to say, I was REALLY against is when I got into this whole art world, because it was really frowned upon on this forum, which was my main source of information for over a year. But these days it seems like everyone is flippin. It kinda lowers my standard of caring. I still laugh when 10 new invaders are flipped here because of all the horrible excuses people come up with the make a profit, but at the same time I'm pretty close to doing so myself. I think the Buyers have changed, its not about art, its speculation, thats it.... the end, thank you and good night. as some old bloke said earlier, ebay for flipping, not here, its awfully dull
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by nex on Aug 9, 2017 23:45:26 GMT 1, I have never flipped a piece in my life, the art I got from source is all on my walls. But I have to say, I was REALLY against is when I got into this whole art world, because it was really frowned upon on this forum, which was my main source of information for over a year. But these days it seems like everyone is flippin. It kinda lowers my standard of caring. I still laugh when 10 new invaders are flipped here because of all the horrible excuses people come up with the make a profit, but at the same time I'm pretty close to doing so myself. I think the Buyers have changed, its not about art, its speculation, thats it.... the end, thank you and good night. as some old bloke said earlier, ebay for flipping, not here, its awfully dull
Sorry but it was no better 'back in the old days' this place has always been about the monetary value, go back to 06 and look at the discussions of banksy prints changing hands for 1k... it's just a larger more bankrupt version of that now, not better not worse, just more
I have never flipped a piece in my life, the art I got from source is all on my walls. But I have to say, I was REALLY against is when I got into this whole art world, because it was really frowned upon on this forum, which was my main source of information for over a year. But these days it seems like everyone is flippin. It kinda lowers my standard of caring. I still laugh when 10 new invaders are flipped here because of all the horrible excuses people come up with the make a profit, but at the same time I'm pretty close to doing so myself. I think the Buyers have changed, its not about art, its speculation, thats it.... the end, thank you and good night. as some old bloke said earlier, ebay for flipping, not here, its awfully dull Sorry but it was no better 'back in the old days' this place has always been about the monetary value, go back to 06 and look at the discussions of banksy prints changing hands for 1k... it's just a larger more bankrupt version of that now, not better not worse, just more
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by Coach on Aug 9, 2017 23:58:23 GMT 1, Let's get some things straight: - this place was born of an ebay forum discussing banksy prints (specifically fakes, but also many other things) - yes buying/selling causes animosity and disputes, but without it, I doubt this place would have had the longevity or member base. It would have been a small collectors club. - buying and selling fuels this and every art market, it is not immoral or unethical - what is unethical and immoral is manipulating that market - what is unethical and immoral is making prices up with little evidence and saying it's the truth - having a temper tantrum born of jealousy because someone sells something you wanted and didn't get, is just that a temper tantrum
Agree with most of this. No one has questioned the ethics of selling art on here. The question was about flipping. Wholeheartedly agree with you regarding manipulation. As for your final point which is about flipping, describing disagreeing with it as a temper tantrum does not alter my view.
Let's get some things straight: - this place was born of an ebay forum discussing banksy prints (specifically fakes, but also many other things) - yes buying/selling causes animosity and disputes, but without it, I doubt this place would have had the longevity or member base. It would have been a small collectors club. - buying and selling fuels this and every art market, it is not immoral or unethical - what is unethical and immoral is manipulating that market - what is unethical and immoral is making prices up with little evidence and saying it's the truth - having a temper tantrum born of jealousy because someone sells something you wanted and didn't get, is just that a temper tantrum Agree with most of this. No one has questioned the ethics of selling art on here. The question was about flipping. Wholeheartedly agree with you regarding manipulation. As for your final point which is about flipping, describing disagreeing with it as a temper tantrum does not alter my view.
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by cmodart on Aug 10, 2017 0:03:55 GMT 1, Not even to somebody that wasn't privy to your own circle? So at what point does a flip stop becoming a flip? What is the timescale? Just interested to know. Cheers As you are asking - Nothing to do with what anyone else thinks. I don't think it's right to profit from someone else's creative endeavour, at the expense of others who may not be able to afford an inflated price. I think that if a member is going to flip, they shouldn't do so here - take it to eBay. with due respect, I think this has more to do with timeframe and intent. If someone on the board had a nice painting I was after and they bought it sometime ago for a smaller price, I would appreciate the offer at market value, no matter how they compares to the price they paid. Snapping up a print and trying to sell it for double the next week should be done on auction sites though... Personally, my tastes change over time. I would not expect to sell something for less than it is worth, anymore than I would expect someone to pay me more than something is worth. So it goes.
Not even to somebody that wasn't privy to your own circle? So at what point does a flip stop becoming a flip? What is the timescale? Just interested to know. Cheers As you are asking - Nothing to do with what anyone else thinks. I don't think it's right to profit from someone else's creative endeavour, at the expense of others who may not be able to afford an inflated price. I think that if a member is going to flip, they shouldn't do so here - take it to eBay. with due respect, I think this has more to do with timeframe and intent. If someone on the board had a nice painting I was after and they bought it sometime ago for a smaller price, I would appreciate the offer at market value, no matter how they compares to the price they paid. Snapping up a print and trying to sell it for double the next week should be done on auction sites though... Personally, my tastes change over time. I would not expect to sell something for less than it is worth, anymore than I would expect someone to pay me more than something is worth. So it goes.
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by nex on Aug 10, 2017 0:05:03 GMT 1, Let's get some things straight: - this place was born of an ebay forum discussing banksy prints (specifically fakes, but also many other things) - yes buying/selling causes animosity and disputes, but without it, I doubt this place would have had the longevity or member base. It would have been a small collectors club. - buying and selling fuels this and every art market, it is not immoral or unethical - what is unethical and immoral is manipulating that market - what is unethical and immoral is making prices up with little evidence and saying it's the truth - having a temper tantrum born of jealousy because someone sells something you wanted and didn't get, is just that a temper tantrum Agree with most of this. No one has questioned the ethics of selling art on here. The question was about flipping. Wholeheartedly agree with you regarding manipulation. As for your final point which is about flipping, describing disagreeing with it as a temper tantrum does not alter my view.
its all buying and selling - its just the time frame for many that causes the issues, I simply regard the timeframe as moot, it only means something if you let it, its no more unethical to sell an item 5 minutes or 5 years after you bought it, it's just people's perception of that behaviour. Either one can be driven by monetary gain or not, and is that wrong?
Let's get some things straight: - this place was born of an ebay forum discussing banksy prints (specifically fakes, but also many other things) - yes buying/selling causes animosity and disputes, but without it, I doubt this place would have had the longevity or member base. It would have been a small collectors club. - buying and selling fuels this and every art market, it is not immoral or unethical - what is unethical and immoral is manipulating that market - what is unethical and immoral is making prices up with little evidence and saying it's the truth - having a temper tantrum born of jealousy because someone sells something you wanted and didn't get, is just that a temper tantrum Agree with most of this. No one has questioned the ethics of selling art on here. The question was about flipping. Wholeheartedly agree with you regarding manipulation. As for your final point which is about flipping, describing disagreeing with it as a temper tantrum does not alter my view. its all buying and selling - its just the time frame for many that causes the issues, I simply regard the timeframe as moot, it only means something if you let it, its no more unethical to sell an item 5 minutes or 5 years after you bought it, it's just people's perception of that behaviour. Either one can be driven by monetary gain or not, and is that wrong?
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by Coach on Aug 10, 2017 0:11:58 GMT 1, Agree with most of this. No one has questioned the ethics of selling art on here. The question was about flipping. Wholeheartedly agree with you regarding manipulation. As for your final point which is about flipping, describing disagreeing with it as a temper tantrum does not alter my view. its all buying and selling - its just the time frame for many that causes the issues, I simply regard the timeframe as moot, it only means something if you let it, its no more unethical to sell an item 5 minutes or 5 years after you bought it, it's just people's perception of that behaviour. Either one can be driven by monetary gain or not, and is that wrong?
For me, it is not about the timeframe. It's about the motive for buying. It just so happens that often flips are done quickly whilst a piece is "hot". I accept that flipping will happen. I simply want no part of it. And I think it will be a shame if it becomes something which is not criticised on this forum.
Agree with most of this. No one has questioned the ethics of selling art on here. The question was about flipping. Wholeheartedly agree with you regarding manipulation. As for your final point which is about flipping, describing disagreeing with it as a temper tantrum does not alter my view. its all buying and selling - its just the time frame for many that causes the issues, I simply regard the timeframe as moot, it only means something if you let it, its no more unethical to sell an item 5 minutes or 5 years after you bought it, it's just people's perception of that behaviour. Either one can be driven by monetary gain or not, and is that wrong? For me, it is not about the timeframe. It's about the motive for buying. It just so happens that often flips are done quickly whilst a piece is "hot". I accept that flipping will happen. I simply want no part of it. And I think it will be a shame if it becomes something which is not criticised on this forum.
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nex
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by nex on Aug 10, 2017 0:19:46 GMT 1, its all buying and selling - its just the time frame for many that causes the issues, I simply regard the timeframe as moot, it only means something if you let it, its no more unethical to sell an item 5 minutes or 5 years after you bought it, it's just people's perception of that behaviour. Either one can be driven by monetary gain or not, and is that wrong? For me, it is not about the timeframe. It's about the motive for buying. It just so happens that often flips are done quickly whilst a piece is "hot". I accept that flipping will happen. I simply want no part of it. And I think it will be a shame if it becomes something which is not criticised on this forum.
And personally I'd weigh other practices I see as far worse and rarely called out here, as way more concerning, this is low hanging fruit of little consequence.
You'll know when this forum is dead, when it stops, horrible but true.
Total respect your position coach and admire it.
its all buying and selling - its just the time frame for many that causes the issues, I simply regard the timeframe as moot, it only means something if you let it, its no more unethical to sell an item 5 minutes or 5 years after you bought it, it's just people's perception of that behaviour. Either one can be driven by monetary gain or not, and is that wrong? For me, it is not about the timeframe. It's about the motive for buying. It just so happens that often flips are done quickly whilst a piece is "hot". I accept that flipping will happen. I simply want no part of it. And I think it will be a shame if it becomes something which is not criticised on this forum. And personally I'd weigh other practices I see as far worse and rarely called out here, as way more concerning, this is low hanging fruit of little consequence. You'll know when this forum is dead, when it stops, horrible but true. Total respect your position coach and admire it.
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by Coach on Aug 10, 2017 0:23:31 GMT 1, For me, it is not about the timeframe. It's about the motive for buying. It just so happens that often flips are done quickly whilst a piece is "hot". I accept that flipping will happen. I simply want no part of it. And I think it will be a shame if it becomes something which is not criticised on this forum. And personally I'd weigh other practices I see as far worse and rarely called out here, as way more concerning, this is low hanging fruit of little consequence. You'll know when this forum is dead, when it stops, horrible but true. Total respect your position coach and admire it.
I certainly agree that price manipulation is far far worse than flipping. Cheers nex.
For me, it is not about the timeframe. It's about the motive for buying. It just so happens that often flips are done quickly whilst a piece is "hot". I accept that flipping will happen. I simply want no part of it. And I think it will be a shame if it becomes something which is not criticised on this forum. And personally I'd weigh other practices I see as far worse and rarely called out here, as way more concerning, this is low hanging fruit of little consequence. You'll know when this forum is dead, when it stops, horrible but true. Total respect your position coach and admire it. I certainly agree that price manipulation is far far worse than flipping. Cheers nex.
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by Happy Go Lucky Chap on Aug 10, 2017 0:50:39 GMT 1, I remember once selling an Eelus ATR on here for about cost, only for the buyer to then flip it here a couple of months later for many multiples over what he paid. At the time, I knew I could have sold it for more but wanted to offer it to the guy at a decent price. Now I'm mostly once bitten, twice shy, although I have since sold on here at way below market value, after I suss out that they are genuine collectors, and not out there to take advantage of my generosity ๐
In answer to the question, yes, of course. For those that have answered "No", would they really sell their prized Banksy prints at original cost to avoid the flipper stigma. I think not.
I remember once selling an Eelus ATR on here for about cost, only for the buyer to then flip it here a couple of months later for many multiples over what he paid. At the time, I knew I could have sold it for more but wanted to offer it to the guy at a decent price. Now I'm mostly once bitten, twice shy, although I have since sold on here at way below market value, after I suss out that they are genuine collectors, and not out there to take advantage of my generosity ๐
In answer to the question, yes, of course. For those that have answered "No", would they really sell their prized Banksy prints at original cost to avoid the flipper stigma. I think not.
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chy1
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Would you flip for your all time wanted?, by chy1 on Aug 10, 2017 1:44:30 GMT 1, Not me but my gf. The plan is is to get the conor unveiling and Samson when it drops. I got the Samson she got the Samson too because she didn't like the unveiling cos it s anti feminism.. The Samson was more appealing to her cos the woman was"empowered".. Someone pm ed few hours after offering ยฃ1k for my print,I said no but woman said yes" for hers"hat s some new shoes".. Seller disappeared and I still have 2samson to this day..
If someone wants to trade ;(
Women!!
Not me but my gf. The plan is is to get the conor unveiling and Samson when it drops. I got the Samson she got the Samson too because she didn't like the unveiling cos it s anti feminism.. The Samson was more appealing to her cos the woman was"empowered".. Someone pm ed few hours after offering ยฃ1k for my print,I said no but woman said yes" for hers"hat s some new shoes".. Seller disappeared and I still have 2samson to this day..
If someone wants to trade ;(
Women!!
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