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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by Earl Grey 2nd on Sept 4, 2017 22:48:46 GMT 1, artgrenade Just buy what you like and speaks to you. Donโt get tempted by trying to flip artwork as there are far better people out there doing it (sadly) likely with stronger connections so it will just frustrate you. Buy what you like and donโt worry about the investment value as if you have to ask, then you are not experienced enough yet to know and will get burnt. Lots of great collectors on this forum that will help you, but also some less so that just want to make some money.
Best advice I ever got about 15 years ago was collecting art is all about focus. If you go far and wide then itโs difficult to accumulate wealth and you will lose money. If you focus on a few artists you love, then over time they will appreciate in value if you stick to it. Of course all artists have ups and downs, and a lot is driven by the consortiums that buy art to store it for a decade and sell at a profit for their clients, similar to property portfolio management, so thatโs where it can get expensive. Also keep an eye on the amount of Editions they release. Shepard Farley is great, but pumps out a lot of art a month so thereโs no shortage. Great if you love his work, not great if you want to invest in him. Mr Brainwash is just a machine copying everything he can and pumps them out to collectors that really donโt understand the urban market. That said, itโs a genius business model but I wouldnโt touch him with a barge pole as his market is likely to plateau at somepoint and there is too much of his art out there.
I love art by Baker, Candice Tripp, Anthony Micallef, Cleon Paterson, Yeo...but have I made much money on them? No. Baker is up and down, Candice is pretty consistent. Paterson is on the rise again but heโs not for everyone... Micallef, is a really good example: he is sadly not popular amongst collectors at the moment which is madness considering heโs probably one of the most forward thinking and truly talented urban artists out there. Five years ago his large canvasses were 80k+ but you can pick them up for half this now. At somepoing his market will absolutely pickup again. Another example is Nick Walker: hasnโt really evolved his art much and hasnโt repeated the success of some of his earlier work so his art has hardly appreciated.
Banksy is another example where he/they are a good investment as there really isnโt that much art of his vs the amount of collectors. He hasnโt released anything since 2009 so his market is now sky rocketing. Invader is similar. Heโs hot at the moment and really doesnโt release that much if you consider heโs been creating urban art for 40+ years. This is important to know, just back to my Mr Brainwash comment, as you have to think about what happens if a) they stop producing or b) what if we hit a recession. In both cases, Mr Brainwash art will flood the resale market and will be worth very little as most collectors will offload them. Banksy and Invader on the other hand wonโt as collectors will hold on to them because of the scarcity. Not the fairest of comparisons I admit - Bansky is a rare standout like Hockney, Warhol etc. - but what great artists do well is manage their own markets. Look at JR - I love his stuff but his originals (the big cibachromes) arenโt worth more than we paid (myself included!) six years ago as there isnโt the demand for his work that justifies the amount in the market. JRs studio will buy them back at cost just to make sure they donโt hit auction under value. He also hasnโt really moved on even though his work is really amazing in the flesh. Eine is the same: love his work but way too much inventory out there and itโs a little too expensive for the average collector and too common for investors to see real value. Just buy his stuff because you like it - you can get some bargains on his stencils.
Anyway thereโs always a ton of reasons to invest and not invest, but the best advice is just buy what you like, focus on a few artists and just enjoy them. I did this with Hockney and Bansky years and years ago and have been one of my best investments but have no intention of selling as they are jus great pieces to hang. Harland Miller is in a similar category as beautifully put here earlier in this thread by a forum guy: his work is great and there are no shortage of people that would love to have one hanging in their house. Iโve not heard of many investors picking his pieces up: just people that love his art which is a great sign of a strong value.
Anyway this may or may not help... just buy what you like!
Nick
artgrenade Just buy what you like and speaks to you. Donโt get tempted by trying to flip artwork as there are far better people out there doing it (sadly) likely with stronger connections so it will just frustrate you. Buy what you like and donโt worry about the investment value as if you have to ask, then you are not experienced enough yet to know and will get burnt. Lots of great collectors on this forum that will help you, but also some less so that just want to make some money. Best advice I ever got about 15 years ago was collecting art is all about focus. If you go far and wide then itโs difficult to accumulate wealth and you will lose money. If you focus on a few artists you love, then over time they will appreciate in value if you stick to it. Of course all artists have ups and downs, and a lot is driven by the consortiums that buy art to store it for a decade and sell at a profit for their clients, similar to property portfolio management, so thatโs where it can get expensive. Also keep an eye on the amount of Editions they release. Shepard Farley is great, but pumps out a lot of art a month so thereโs no shortage. Great if you love his work, not great if you want to invest in him. Mr Brainwash is just a machine copying everything he can and pumps them out to collectors that really donโt understand the urban market. That said, itโs a genius business model but I wouldnโt touch him with a barge pole as his market is likely to plateau at somepoint and there is too much of his art out there. I love art by Baker, Candice Tripp, Anthony Micallef, Cleon Paterson, Yeo...but have I made much money on them? No. Baker is up and down, Candice is pretty consistent. Paterson is on the rise again but heโs not for everyone... Micallef, is a really good example: he is sadly not popular amongst collectors at the moment which is madness considering heโs probably one of the most forward thinking and truly talented urban artists out there. Five years ago his large canvasses were 80k+ but you can pick them up for half this now. At somepoing his market will absolutely pickup again. Another example is Nick Walker: hasnโt really evolved his art much and hasnโt repeated the success of some of his earlier work so his art has hardly appreciated. Banksy is another example where he/they are a good investment as there really isnโt that much art of his vs the amount of collectors. He hasnโt released anything since 2009 so his market is now sky rocketing. Invader is similar. Heโs hot at the moment and really doesnโt release that much if you consider heโs been creating urban art for 40+ years. This is important to know, just back to my Mr Brainwash comment, as you have to think about what happens if a) they stop producing or b) what if we hit a recession. In both cases, Mr Brainwash art will flood the resale market and will be worth very little as most collectors will offload them. Banksy and Invader on the other hand wonโt as collectors will hold on to them because of the scarcity. Not the fairest of comparisons I admit - Bansky is a rare standout like Hockney, Warhol etc. - but what great artists do well is manage their own markets. Look at JR - I love his stuff but his originals (the big cibachromes) arenโt worth more than we paid (myself included!) six years ago as there isnโt the demand for his work that justifies the amount in the market. JRs studio will buy them back at cost just to make sure they donโt hit auction under value. He also hasnโt really moved on even though his work is really amazing in the flesh. Eine is the same: love his work but way too much inventory out there and itโs a little too expensive for the average collector and too common for investors to see real value. Just buy his stuff because you like it - you can get some bargains on his stencils. Anyway thereโs always a ton of reasons to invest and not invest, but the best advice is just buy what you like, focus on a few artists and just enjoy them. I did this with Hockney and Bansky years and years ago and have been one of my best investments but have no intention of selling as they are jus great pieces to hang. Harland Miller is in a similar category as beautifully put here earlier in this thread by a forum guy: his work is great and there are no shortage of people that would love to have one hanging in their house. Iโve not heard of many investors picking his pieces up: just people that love his art which is a great sign of a strong value. Anyway this may or may not help... just buy what you like! Nick
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 23:05:23 GMT 1, Earl Grey 2nd Invader has been creating urban art since before he was 8?
Earl Grey 2nd Invader has been creating urban art since before he was 8?
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by caruso on Sept 4, 2017 23:10:27 GMT 1, Very in depth demonstration, and I agree with most of that. Fairey does great pieces but way too many. I only have the ones that I really like from him. Mr Brainwash is widely overrated and will not hold value in the future. I often buy art that is not rated just because I like it visually or there is a great story behind the piece and it speaks to me. Not looking for am investment sometimes, just treating myself with something I will enjoy seeing on my walls. I back that 100%, buy what you like. Obviously low run is a good sign it will appreciate over time, so a plus. Not the biggest fan of Miller, so regardless of what everyone is saying I'm not a buyer, even though what you say about him is probably accurate.
artgrenade Just buy what you like and speaks to you. Donโt get tempted by trying to flip artwork as there are far better people out there doing it (sadly) likely with stronger connections so it will just frustrate you. Buy what you like and donโt worry about the investment value as if you have to ask, then you are not experienced enough yet to know and will get burnt. Lots of great collectors on this forum that will help you, but also some less so that just want to make some money. Best advice I ever got about 15 years ago was collecting art is all about focus. If you go far and wide then itโs difficult to accumulate wealth and you will lose money. If you focus on a few artists you love, then over time they will appreciate in value if you stick to it. Of course all artists have ups and downs, and a lot is driven by the consortiums that buy art to store it for a decade and sell at a profit for their clients, similar to property portfolio management, so thatโs where it can get expensive. Also keep an eye on the amount of Editions they release. Shepard Farley is great, but pumps out a lot of art a month so thereโs no shortage. Great if you love his work, not great if you want to invest in him. Mr Brainwash is just a machine copying everything he can and pumps them out to collectors that really donโt understand the urban market. That said, itโs a genius business model but I wouldnโt touch him with a barge pole as his market is likely to plateau at somepoint and there is too much of his art out there. I love art by Baker, Candice Tripp, Anthony Micallef, Cleon Paterson, Yeo...but have I made much money on them? No. Baker is up and down, Candice is pretty consistent. Paterson is on the rise again but heโs not for everyone... Micallef, is a really good example: he is sadly not popular amongst collectors at the moment which is madness considering heโs probably one of the most forward thinking and truly talented urban artists out there. Five years ago his large canvasses were 80k+ but you can pick them up for half this now. At somepoing his market will absolutely pickup again. Another example is Nick Walker: hasnโt really evolved his art much and hasnโt repeated the success of some of his earlier work so his art has hardly appreciated. Banksy is another example where he/they are a good investment as there really isnโt that much art of his vs the amount of collectors. He hasnโt released anything since 2009 so his market is now sky rocketing. Invader is similar. Heโs hot at the moment and really doesnโt release that much if you consider heโs been creating urban art for 40+ years. This is important to know, just back to my Mr Brainwash comment, as you have to think about what happens if a) they stop producing or b) what if we hit a recession. In both cases, Mr Brainwash art will flood the resale market and will be worth very little as most collectors will offload them. Banksy and Invader on the other hand wonโt as collectors will hold on to them because of the scarcity. Not the fairest of comparisons I admit - Bansky is a rare standout like Hockney, Warhol etc. - but what great artists do well is manage their own markets. Look at JR - I love his stuff but his originals (the big cibachromes) arenโt worth more than we paid (myself included!) six years ago as there isnโt the demand for his work that justifies the amount in the market. JRs studio will buy them back at cost just to make sure they donโt hit auction under value. He also hasnโt really moved on even though his work is really amazing in the flesh. Eine is the same: love his work but way too much inventory out there and itโs a little too expensive for the average collector and too common for investors to see real value. Just buy his stuff because you like it - you can get some bargains on his stencils. Anyway thereโs always a ton of reasons to invest and not invest, but the best advice is just buy what you like, focus on a few artists and just enjoy them. I did this with Hockney and Bansky years and years ago and have been one of my best investments but have no intention of selling as they are jus great pieces to hang. Harland Miller is in a similar category as beautifully put here earlier in this thread by a forum guy: his work is great and there are no shortage of people that would love to have one hanging in their house. Iโve not heard of many investors picking his pieces up: just people that love his art which is a great sign of a strong value. Anyway this may or may not help... just buy what you like! Nick
Very in depth demonstration, and I agree with most of that. Fairey does great pieces but way too many. I only have the ones that I really like from him. Mr Brainwash is widely overrated and will not hold value in the future. I often buy art that is not rated just because I like it visually or there is a great story behind the piece and it speaks to me. Not looking for am investment sometimes, just treating myself with something I will enjoy seeing on my walls. I back that 100%, buy what you like. Obviously low run is a good sign it will appreciate over time, so a plus. Not the biggest fan of Miller, so regardless of what everyone is saying I'm not a buyer, even though what you say about him is probably accurate. artgrenade Just buy what you like and speaks to you. Donโt get tempted by trying to flip artwork as there are far better people out there doing it (sadly) likely with stronger connections so it will just frustrate you. Buy what you like and donโt worry about the investment value as if you have to ask, then you are not experienced enough yet to know and will get burnt. Lots of great collectors on this forum that will help you, but also some less so that just want to make some money. Best advice I ever got about 15 years ago was collecting art is all about focus. If you go far and wide then itโs difficult to accumulate wealth and you will lose money. If you focus on a few artists you love, then over time they will appreciate in value if you stick to it. Of course all artists have ups and downs, and a lot is driven by the consortiums that buy art to store it for a decade and sell at a profit for their clients, similar to property portfolio management, so thatโs where it can get expensive. Also keep an eye on the amount of Editions they release. Shepard Farley is great, but pumps out a lot of art a month so thereโs no shortage. Great if you love his work, not great if you want to invest in him. Mr Brainwash is just a machine copying everything he can and pumps them out to collectors that really donโt understand the urban market. That said, itโs a genius business model but I wouldnโt touch him with a barge pole as his market is likely to plateau at somepoint and there is too much of his art out there. I love art by Baker, Candice Tripp, Anthony Micallef, Cleon Paterson, Yeo...but have I made much money on them? No. Baker is up and down, Candice is pretty consistent. Paterson is on the rise again but heโs not for everyone... Micallef, is a really good example: he is sadly not popular amongst collectors at the moment which is madness considering heโs probably one of the most forward thinking and truly talented urban artists out there. Five years ago his large canvasses were 80k+ but you can pick them up for half this now. At somepoing his market will absolutely pickup again. Another example is Nick Walker: hasnโt really evolved his art much and hasnโt repeated the success of some of his earlier work so his art has hardly appreciated. Banksy is another example where he/they are a good investment as there really isnโt that much art of his vs the amount of collectors. He hasnโt released anything since 2009 so his market is now sky rocketing. Invader is similar. Heโs hot at the moment and really doesnโt release that much if you consider heโs been creating urban art for 40+ years. This is important to know, just back to my Mr Brainwash comment, as you have to think about what happens if a) they stop producing or b) what if we hit a recession. In both cases, Mr Brainwash art will flood the resale market and will be worth very little as most collectors will offload them. Banksy and Invader on the other hand wonโt as collectors will hold on to them because of the scarcity. Not the fairest of comparisons I admit - Bansky is a rare standout like Hockney, Warhol etc. - but what great artists do well is manage their own markets. Look at JR - I love his stuff but his originals (the big cibachromes) arenโt worth more than we paid (myself included!) six years ago as there isnโt the demand for his work that justifies the amount in the market. JRs studio will buy them back at cost just to make sure they donโt hit auction under value. He also hasnโt really moved on even though his work is really amazing in the flesh. Eine is the same: love his work but way too much inventory out there and itโs a little too expensive for the average collector and too common for investors to see real value. Just buy his stuff because you like it - you can get some bargains on his stencils. Anyway thereโs always a ton of reasons to invest and not invest, but the best advice is just buy what you like, focus on a few artists and just enjoy them. I did this with Hockney and Bansky years and years ago and have been one of my best investments but have no intention of selling as they are jus great pieces to hang. Harland Miller is in a similar category as beautifully put here earlier in this thread by a forum guy: his work is great and there are no shortage of people that would love to have one hanging in their house. Iโve not heard of many investors picking his pieces up: just people that love his art which is a great sign of a strong value. Anyway this may or may not help... just buy what you like! Nick
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 23:11:09 GMT 1, I like Harland's stuff, I really do. It looks good on the wall, and most of the one liners make me chuckle. I am happy to own 2 prints, they look really great on the wall. But I see absolutely 0 chance of this guy being "remembered as one of the important contemporary artists of his time"Being backed by a nice gallery, selling out prints and having people wanting commissions because they saw it in a trendy club does not guarantee longevity. There are numerous counter examples. HM is a respectable and reasonably successful artist indeed, but there is honestly nothing so outstanding in his output / process / message etc... that would make him worthy of posterity. I think we can agree to disagree here. You have to be able to or at the very least willing to look beyond the obvious with his work. If you see it as purely decorative than who am I to argue. Yeah, it looks nice and the colors are cool and all that. We all see what we want and there is nothing wrong with it. Regarding process and meaning this is someone who spends Months and in some cases Years on a painting which carry deep personal meaning to the artist but also can create a separate evolving meaning in the eyes of the audience. I personally view his work as highly multidimensional and to be in the presence of his large scale original works is genuinely a rewarding experience.
I like Harland's stuff, I really do. It looks good on the wall, and most of the one liners make me chuckle. I am happy to own 2 prints, they look really great on the wall. But I see absolutely 0 chance of this guy being "remembered as one of the important contemporary artists of his time"Being backed by a nice gallery, selling out prints and having people wanting commissions because they saw it in a trendy club does not guarantee longevity. There are numerous counter examples. HM is a respectable and reasonably successful artist indeed, but there is honestly nothing so outstanding in his output / process / message etc... that would make him worthy of posterity. I think we can agree to disagree here. You have to be able to or at the very least willing to look beyond the obvious with his work. If you see it as purely decorative than who am I to argue. Yeah, it looks nice and the colors are cool and all that. We all see what we want and there is nothing wrong with it. Regarding process and meaning this is someone who spends Months and in some cases Years on a painting which carry deep personal meaning to the artist but also can create a separate evolving meaning in the eyes of the audience. I personally view his work as highly multidimensional and to be in the presence of his large scale original works is genuinely a rewarding experience.
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caruso
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by caruso on Sept 4, 2017 23:11:41 GMT 1, He was an artist in his mother's womb, saw himself as an invader upon birth. Just kidding. Chill :-)
Earl Grey 2nd Invader has been creating urban art since before he was 8?
He was an artist in his mother's womb, saw himself as an invader upon birth. Just kidding. Chill :-) Earl Grey 2nd Invader has been creating urban art since before he was 8?
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by gravity1 on Sept 4, 2017 23:15:12 GMT 1, See point 3 on my post - popular style right now. Goes well with the furniture. all in my opinion obviously! Many investors quickly as well tend to pump up prices. alot of hirst works are in big collections but he cannot sell to billionaires right now. Regarding Harland.... Yes there are certainly an over abundance of chancer secondary sellers right now trying to set sales records on prints and take advantage of the recent interest. Certainly quite a bit of hype generated on this forum as a sales tactic from some of them. I've been insulted with several price quotes recently myself. (There are plenty of stand up sellers at actual market prices as well of course). However Harland is not really in the same conversation as an artist as most mentioned by the OP..or for that matter 90% discussed on here when you look at his CV. The vast majority of his collectors are not likely hanging around this forum as his work isn't considered street, urban, graffiti, etc.. Likely he will be remembered as one of the important contemporary artists of his time. At the end of the day we are talking about a well respected and absolute master painter backed by the White Cube machine, has works in major collections, has a global market, sold out every print ever made at this point, has a 2-3 year wait list on commissions, had the majority of his last show sold out at preview, demand for his work in on the incline not the decline, could go on and on..... This is a recipe for the bottom to fall out? Maybe...but not likely IMO. More likely it will stabilize for a bit and then who knows.... Hirst is a different conversation altogether and not exactly a reasonable comparison but I think you know that already. *** I do own some of HM's work *** Not sure what qualifies HM as a "Master Painter" creating simple book covers but you are definitely correct about him being backed by the White Cube "Machine", which is exactly that and is quite effective manufacturing markets on a select artist via their "inside collector infrastructure" which is why I see a similar flaw in his current pricing and possible future "fallout" that FR mentioned. His most recent show, unbeknownst to most, actually went largely unsold, aside from Hirst and a few other of their inside "collectors" immediate pickups, that they promoted immediately, which imo really doesn't count as true sales. After all they are always marketing so I get them trying to give the illusion of a "sell out" right away as many shows do. I have many collector friends who are trusted long time Cube and other major gallery customers and were offered a bulk of the show as available long after the show was over. The gallery is just very careful who they offer it to and clever how they do it where they "check the inventory" and get back to you after asking you what you are interested first including size, slogan, price range ect so they can come back to you with 3-4 pieces that hit the mark while not fully revealing how many pieces are actually available. I don't think the gallery realizes that many of these collectors communicate and all found they were told they few pieces presented to them were the "only pieces left" and most had "deposits on them and may fall through" while all of them were shown different pieces and even offered others after they didn't like the first selection.
All that aside, I do like his older works as I find several clever and entertaining but those were back in 2011-2013 and at prices that seemed appropriate for what they were. I think this last effort was very significant as it showed that this level of "cleverness" couldn't be sustained and just throwing average slogans on mockup book covers might not be sustainable, White Cube machine or not. The machine may give the impression that it was a hit but I think anyone trying to get out of one of these newer works on the secondary would be in for a big shock. Regardless, will be very interesting to see what he does going forward.
See point 3 on my post - popular style right now. Goes well with the furniture. all in my opinion obviously! Many investors quickly as well tend to pump up prices. alot of hirst works are in big collections but he cannot sell to billionaires right now. Regarding Harland.... Yes there are certainly an over abundance of chancer secondary sellers right now trying to set sales records on prints and take advantage of the recent interest. Certainly quite a bit of hype generated on this forum as a sales tactic from some of them. I've been insulted with several price quotes recently myself. (There are plenty of stand up sellers at actual market prices as well of course). However Harland is not really in the same conversation as an artist as most mentioned by the OP..or for that matter 90% discussed on here when you look at his CV. The vast majority of his collectors are not likely hanging around this forum as his work isn't considered street, urban, graffiti, etc.. Likely he will be remembered as one of the important contemporary artists of his time. At the end of the day we are talking about a well respected and absolute master painter backed by the White Cube machine, has works in major collections, has a global market, sold out every print ever made at this point, has a 2-3 year wait list on commissions, had the majority of his last show sold out at preview, demand for his work in on the incline not the decline, could go on and on..... This is a recipe for the bottom to fall out? Maybe...but not likely IMO. More likely it will stabilize for a bit and then who knows.... Hirst is a different conversation altogether and not exactly a reasonable comparison but I think you know that already. *** I do own some of HM's work *** Not sure what qualifies HM as a "Master Painter" creating simple book covers but you are definitely correct about him being backed by the White Cube "Machine", which is exactly that and is quite effective manufacturing markets on a select artist via their "inside collector infrastructure" which is why I see a similar flaw in his current pricing and possible future "fallout" that FR mentioned. His most recent show, unbeknownst to most, actually went largely unsold, aside from Hirst and a few other of their inside "collectors" immediate pickups, that they promoted immediately, which imo really doesn't count as true sales. After all they are always marketing so I get them trying to give the illusion of a "sell out" right away as many shows do. I have many collector friends who are trusted long time Cube and other major gallery customers and were offered a bulk of the show as available long after the show was over. The gallery is just very careful who they offer it to and clever how they do it where they "check the inventory" and get back to you after asking you what you are interested first including size, slogan, price range ect so they can come back to you with 3-4 pieces that hit the mark while not fully revealing how many pieces are actually available. I don't think the gallery realizes that many of these collectors communicate and all found they were told they few pieces presented to them were the "only pieces left" and most had "deposits on them and may fall through" while all of them were shown different pieces and even offered others after they didn't like the first selection. All that aside, I do like his older works as I find several clever and entertaining but those were back in 2011-2013 and at prices that seemed appropriate for what they were. I think this last effort was very significant as it showed that this level of "cleverness" couldn't be sustained and just throwing average slogans on mockup book covers might not be sustainable, White Cube machine or not. The machine may give the impression that it was a hit but I think anyone trying to get out of one of these newer works on the secondary would be in for a big shock. Regardless, will be very interesting to see what he does going forward.
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by caruso on Sept 4, 2017 23:22:09 GMT 1, True, a lot of opacity and excessive prices from galleries to keep the product artificially scarce and create a buying frenzy from investors. I still don't like HM's work. Count me or on owning one.
Regarding Harland.... Yes there are certainly an over abundance of chancer secondary sellers right now trying to set sales records on prints and take advantage of the recent interest. Certainly quite a bit of hype generated on this forum as a sales tactic from some of them. I've been insulted with several price quotes recently myself. (There are plenty of stand up sellers at actual market prices as well of course). However Harland is not really in the same conversation as an artist as most mentioned by the OP..or for that matter 90% discussed on here when you look at his CV. The vast majority of his collectors are not likely hanging around this forum as his work isn't considered street, urban, graffiti, etc.. Likely he will be remembered as one of the important contemporary artists of his time. At the end of the day we are talking about a well respected and absolute master painter backed by the White Cube machine, has works in major collections, has a global market, sold out every print ever made at this point, has a 2-3 year wait list on commissions, had the majority of his last show sold out at preview, demand for his work in on the incline not the decline, could go on and on..... This is a recipe for the bottom to fall out? Maybe...but not likely IMO. More likely it will stabilize for a bit and then who knows.... Hirst is a different conversation altogether and not exactly a reasonable comparison but I think you know that already.ย *** I do own some of HM's work ***ย Not sure what qualifies HM as a "Master Painter" creating simple book covers but you are definitely correct about him being backed by the White Cube "Machine", which is exactly that and is quite effective manufacturing markets on a select artist via their "inside collector infrastructure" which is why I see a similar flaw in his current pricing and possible future "fallout" that FR mentioned. His most recent show, unbeknownst to most,ย actually went largely unsold, aside from Hirst and a few other of their inside "collectors" immediate pickups, that they promoted immediately, which imo really doesn't count as true sales. After all they are always marketing so I get them trying to give the illusion of a "sell out" right away as many shows do. I have many collector friends who are trusted long time Cube and other major gallery customers and were offered a bulk of the show as available long after the show was over. The gallery is just very careful who they offer it to and clever how they do it where they "check the inventory" and get back to you after asking you what you are interested first including size, slogan, price range ect so they can come back to you with 3-4 pieces that hit the mark while not fully revealing how many pieces are actually available. I don't think the gallery realizes that many of these collectors communicate and all found they were told they few pieces presented to them were the "only pieces left" and most had "deposits on them and may fall through" while all of them were shown different pieces and even offered others after they didn't like the first selection.ย All that aside, I do like his older works as I find several clever and entertaining but those were back in 2011-2013 and at prices that seemed appropriate for what they were. I think this last effort was very significant as it showed that this level of "cleverness" couldn't be sustained and just throwing average slogans on mockup book covers might not be sustainable, White Cube machine or not. The machine may give the impression that it was a hit but I think anyone trying to get out of one of these newer works on the secondary would be in for a big shock. Regardless, will be very interesting to see what he does going forward.ย
True, a lot of opacity and excessive prices from galleries to keep the product artificially scarce and create a buying frenzy from investors. I still don't like HM's work. Count me or on owning one. Regarding Harland.... Yes there are certainly an over abundance of chancer secondary sellers right now trying to set sales records on prints and take advantage of the recent interest. Certainly quite a bit of hype generated on this forum as a sales tactic from some of them. I've been insulted with several price quotes recently myself. (There are plenty of stand up sellers at actual market prices as well of course). However Harland is not really in the same conversation as an artist as most mentioned by the OP..or for that matter 90% discussed on here when you look at his CV. The vast majority of his collectors are not likely hanging around this forum as his work isn't considered street, urban, graffiti, etc.. Likely he will be remembered as one of the important contemporary artists of his time. At the end of the day we are talking about a well respected and absolute master painter backed by the White Cube machine, has works in major collections, has a global market, sold out every print ever made at this point, has a 2-3 year wait list on commissions, had the majority of his last show sold out at preview, demand for his work in on the incline not the decline, could go on and on..... This is a recipe for the bottom to fall out? Maybe...but not likely IMO. More likely it will stabilize for a bit and then who knows.... Hirst is a different conversation altogether and not exactly a reasonable comparison but I think you know that already.ย *** I do own some of HM's work ***ย Not sure what qualifies HM as a "Master Painter" creating simple book covers but you are definitely correct about him being backed by the White Cube "Machine", which is exactly that and is quite effective manufacturing markets on a select artist via their "inside collector infrastructure" which is why I see a similar flaw in his current pricing and possible future "fallout" that FR mentioned. His most recent show, unbeknownst to most,ย actually went largely unsold, aside from Hirst and a few other of their inside "collectors" immediate pickups, that they promoted immediately, which imo really doesn't count as true sales. After all they are always marketing so I get them trying to give the illusion of a "sell out" right away as many shows do. I have many collector friends who are trusted long time Cube and other major gallery customers and were offered a bulk of the show as available long after the show was over. The gallery is just very careful who they offer it to and clever how they do it where they "check the inventory" and get back to you after asking you what you are interested first including size, slogan, price range ect so they can come back to you with 3-4 pieces that hit the mark while not fully revealing how many pieces are actually available. I don't think the gallery realizes that many of these collectors communicate and all found they were told they few pieces presented to them were the "only pieces left" and most had "deposits on them and may fall through" while all of them were shown different pieces and even offered others after they didn't like the first selection.ย All that aside, I do like his older works as I find several clever and entertaining but those were back in 2011-2013 and at prices that seemed appropriate for what they were. I think this last effort was very significant as it showed that this level of "cleverness" couldn't be sustained and just throwing average slogans on mockup book covers might not be sustainable, White Cube machine or not. The machine may give the impression that it was a hit but I think anyone trying to get out of one of these newer works on the secondary would be in for a big shock. Regardless, will be very interesting to see what he does going forward.ย
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 0:24:30 GMT 1, In my humble opinion I would say and this may be complete and utter boll#cks by the way and must be taken with a pinch of salt:
The original Pioneers of the movement.
Look at where the movement started in particular in this country the Bristol artist's (each country will have their own I am sure).
Artists that represent in their work what is happening in the world now which will be documented in the history books of the future.
Go backwards, look who was there at the beginning of the movement and is still producing work and they will probably be a good long term bet.
Members of the YBAs (Young British Artist's) are a good investment, maybe off the boil at the moment but sure to be remembered in the future.....maybe but probably most definitely
Look at what is popular with the teenagers of today and what they will remember because in 20 years time they are going to be earning their own money and wan't to spend it on the memories of their youth.
Go for the emerging artist's, make it fun for yourself and go to the graduate show's, you never know you may get lucky. Look for those just starting out and pick yourself original works direct from the artist at very affordable prices.
19th Century art, you can pick up fantastic works by well listed documented artist's for a fraction of the price that they used to be, this in my opinion will most certainly come back around.
Sooooo many artist's coming up under the tag of Urban or Street art but actually are nothing to do with the movement, maybe we are starting to see a shift away from the Urban scene? This is a good thing by the way, it has to go off the boil to come back around again.
The number of artist's emerging into the scene is just frightening and trying to pick one out of this lot that is going to be the one for the future is just an impossible task. (for me anyway)
Ultimately if you do not do it for a living, collect art because you like the pieces and because you like them on your wall, remember if they don't make it you have to live with it.
Remember the art market is fuc#ing well manipulated and can be a big boy's game and easy to get stung, they can afford to loose money, can you?
Research-Listen and Learn, research a bit more, listen more closely and learn more, research it some more just to be sure then listen again and never stop learning
Well I have covered a little here, just try and enjoy it and not worry to much if your collecting the right artist and most importantly try not to loose too much money
The world may end tomorrow so none of it would matter anyway
Good luck
In my humble opinion I would say and this may be complete and utter boll#cks by the way and must be taken with a pinch of salt: The original Pioneers of the movement. Look at where the movement started in particular in this country the Bristol artist's (each country will have their own I am sure). Artists that represent in their work what is happening in the world now which will be documented in the history books of the future. Go backwards, look who was there at the beginning of the movement and is still producing work and they will probably be a good long term bet. Members of the YBAs (Young British Artist's) are a good investment, maybe off the boil at the moment but sure to be remembered in the future.....maybe but probably most definitely Look at what is popular with the teenagers of today and what they will remember because in 20 years time they are going to be earning their own money and wan't to spend it on the memories of their youth. Go for the emerging artist's, make it fun for yourself and go to the graduate show's, you never know you may get lucky. Look for those just starting out and pick yourself original works direct from the artist at very affordable prices. 19th Century art, you can pick up fantastic works by well listed documented artist's for a fraction of the price that they used to be, this in my opinion will most certainly come back around. Sooooo many artist's coming up under the tag of Urban or Street art but actually are nothing to do with the movement, maybe we are starting to see a shift away from the Urban scene? This is a good thing by the way, it has to go off the boil to come back around again. The number of artist's emerging into the scene is just frightening and trying to pick one out of this lot that is going to be the one for the future is just an impossible task. (for me anyway) Ultimately if you do not do it for a living, collect art because you like the pieces and because you like them on your wall, remember if they don't make it you have to live with it. Remember the art market is fuc#ing well manipulated and can be a big boy's game and easy to get stung, they can afford to loose money, can you? Research-Listen and Learn, research a bit more, listen more closely and learn more, research it some more just to be sure then listen again and never stop learning Well I have covered a little here, just try and enjoy it and not worry to much if your collecting the right artist and most importantly try not to loose too much money The world may end tomorrow so none of it would matter anyway Good luck
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by Earl Grey 2nd on Sept 5, 2017 0:38:36 GMT 1, He was an artist in his mother's womb, saw himself as an invader upon birth. Just kidding. Chill :-) Earl Grey 2nd Invader has been creating urban art since before he was 8?
Haha. I did exaggerate but you get the point. End of the day just buy what you like. If you want to get serious about collecting art either start there or pay a good dealer / collector a commission to build you a decent portfolio. There are a ton of brilliant artists out there new and old. Thatโs whatโs fun and donโt take it too seriously as everything, especially art, is subjective. Oh and donโt be afraid to contact the artists directly rather than pay an over the top price on a print, and commissions are the best way to get lovely pieces at much better prices eg Stix, Jago etc. if youโre willing to wait. Great suggestion re Futura etc.
He was an artist in his mother's womb, saw himself as an invader upon birth. Just kidding. Chill :-) Earl Grey 2nd Invader has been creating urban art since before he was 8? Haha. I did exaggerate but you get the point. End of the day just buy what you like. If you want to get serious about collecting art either start there or pay a good dealer / collector a commission to build you a decent portfolio. There are a ton of brilliant artists out there new and old. Thatโs whatโs fun and donโt take it too seriously as everything, especially art, is subjective. Oh and donโt be afraid to contact the artists directly rather than pay an over the top price on a print, and commissions are the best way to get lovely pieces at much better prices eg Stix, Jago etc. if youโre willing to wait. Great suggestion re Futura etc.
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chevyav53
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by chevyav53 on Sept 5, 2017 1:39:37 GMT 1, I wanted to mention one more artist. Add Fuel not yet that big especially outside the Portuguese community but gaining steam and recent showing at Nuart gallery Hand Luggage Only show. Very unique style, geared toward traditional tile work. I'll post my pieces when they arrive, very excited for them.
I wanted to mention one more artist. Add Fuel not yet that big especially outside the Portuguese community but gaining steam and recent showing at Nuart gallery Hand Luggage Only show. Very unique style, geared toward traditional tile work. I'll post my pieces when they arrive, very excited for them.
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by Buff Monster Fan on Sept 5, 2017 4:32:18 GMT 1, I used to live in Portugal, so Add Fuel speaks to me (love the traditional tile inspiration!) I hadn't heard of him, so thanks for the share!
I used to live in Portugal, so Add Fuel speaks to me (love the traditional tile inspiration!) I hadn't heard of him, so thanks for the share!
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 5:51:12 GMT 1, I wanted to mention one more artist. Add Fuel not yet that big especially outside the Portuguese community but gaining steam and recent showing at Nuart gallery Hand Luggage Only show. Very unique style, geared toward traditional tile work. I'll post my pieces when they arrive, very excited for them. Lovely, never heard of this guy, thanks for the post chevyav53 My initial impression was that his work must be inspired by iznik pottery or more obviously ceramics from his native country Portugal, but looking more closely his work actually look's to be more inspired by the 19th century British ceramics company Mintons, the type of tiles often seen in hallways and on fireplaces.
I wanted to mention one more artist. Add Fuel not yet that big especially outside the Portuguese community but gaining steam and recent showing at Nuart gallery Hand Luggage Only show. Very unique style, geared toward traditional tile work. I'll post my pieces when they arrive, very excited for them. Lovely, never heard of this guy, thanks for the post chevyav53 My initial impression was that his work must be inspired by iznik pottery or more obviously ceramics from his native country Portugal, but looking more closely his work actually look's to be more inspired by the 19th century British ceramics company Mintons, the type of tiles often seen in hallways and on fireplaces.
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caruso
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by caruso on Sept 5, 2017 8:08:21 GMT 1, Good tip. Maybe we could commission collectively in this forum. Emerging artists with a very low signed numbered run print. I'm thinking 10-25. Not originals but affordable for sure and if the artist had a breakthrough they will remember we sort of helped on the way. Good way to get first access to future releases, oh yes and item a pricey limited run. I'd be up for it, surely there are enough members in this forum to get 10 people wanting some work from a given emerging artists. Instead of fighting in writing at rings, we should use the fantastic power of leverage this forum can give us and be a driving force in the community. What say you? I might post this as a new thread actually.
He was an artist in his mother's womb, saw himself as an invader upon birth. Just kidding. Chill :-) Haha. I did exaggerate but you get the point. End of the day just buy what you like. If you want to get serious about collecting art either start there or pay a good dealer / collector a commission to build you a decent portfolio. There are a ton of brilliant artists out there new and old. Thatโs whatโs fun and donโt take it too seriously as everything, especially art, is subjective. Oh and donโt be afraid to contact the artists directly rather than pay an over the top price on a print, and commissions are the best way to get lovely pieces at much better prices eg Stix, Jago etc. if youโre willing to wait. Great suggestion re Futura etc.
Good tip. Maybe we could commission collectively in this forum. Emerging artists with a very low signed numbered run print. I'm thinking 10-25. Not originals but affordable for sure and if the artist had a breakthrough they will remember we sort of helped on the way. Good way to get first access to future releases, oh yes and item a pricey limited run. I'd be up for it, surely there are enough members in this forum to get 10 people wanting some work from a given emerging artists. Instead of fighting in writing at rings, we should use the fantastic power of leverage this forum can give us and be a driving force in the community. What say you? I might post this as a new thread actually. He was an artist in his mother's womb, saw himself as an invader upon birth. Just kidding. Chill :-) Haha. I did exaggerate but you get the point. End of the day just buy what you like. If you want to get serious about collecting art either start there or pay a good dealer / collector a commission to build you a decent portfolio. There are a ton of brilliant artists out there new and old. Thatโs whatโs fun and donโt take it too seriously as everything, especially art, is subjective. Oh and donโt be afraid to contact the artists directly rather than pay an over the top price on a print, and commissions are the best way to get lovely pieces at much better prices eg Stix, Jago etc. if youโre willing to wait. Great suggestion re Futura etc.
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by gd79 on Sept 5, 2017 9:19:29 GMT 1, I mainly collect photography, but have got involved in quite a few street/ urban artists as well. I'll add some brief thoughts that apply across both genres.
The first, already repeated often here, is buy to own and enjoy. Treat any gains as an upside. If you are looking to invest and build wealth, it may work out for you... But the chances are slim. You are competing with investors vastly more connected, informed and knowledgeable, who have much greater resources (money, time, contacts whatever). You will not outperform them.
Second, and not really mentioned so far, is even getting the 'who' right is not enough. You need to buy the most representative, 'money shot' type images by a given artist. Take Invader - that Laz print was exceptional, his style to a tee. If Invader continues to fly, those kind of pieces will always outperform. The Rubik's cube pieces will always be 'underrated'. Wrongly maybe, but everyone wants to own the trademark style works. If you collect Helmut Newton you want to see a naked model. Mapplethorpe then it's an orchid. Cartier-Bresson then it's a Paris street scene. These are all expensive artists that have many cheap pieces available, that will stay cheap because they are 'off style'. Same with urban art.
Personally I love Micallef, but maybe think that's why he's stalled. There isn't a really representative collection of work for him. He has shifted about a bit.... Just thinking out loud.
Supply point is also huge, and made very well already. I won't add to it!
I mainly collect photography, but have got involved in quite a few street/ urban artists as well. I'll add some brief thoughts that apply across both genres.
The first, already repeated often here, is buy to own and enjoy. Treat any gains as an upside. If you are looking to invest and build wealth, it may work out for you... But the chances are slim. You are competing with investors vastly more connected, informed and knowledgeable, who have much greater resources (money, time, contacts whatever). You will not outperform them.
Second, and not really mentioned so far, is even getting the 'who' right is not enough. You need to buy the most representative, 'money shot' type images by a given artist. Take Invader - that Laz print was exceptional, his style to a tee. If Invader continues to fly, those kind of pieces will always outperform. The Rubik's cube pieces will always be 'underrated'. Wrongly maybe, but everyone wants to own the trademark style works. If you collect Helmut Newton you want to see a naked model. Mapplethorpe then it's an orchid. Cartier-Bresson then it's a Paris street scene. These are all expensive artists that have many cheap pieces available, that will stay cheap because they are 'off style'. Same with urban art.
Personally I love Micallef, but maybe think that's why he's stalled. There isn't a really representative collection of work for him. He has shifted about a bit.... Just thinking out loud.
Supply point is also huge, and made very well already. I won't add to it!
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by darren6 on Sept 5, 2017 9:39:39 GMT 1, Just collect the people you like.... simple as! That what should be about.
Just collect the people you like.... simple as! That what should be about.
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Winter
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by Winter on Sept 5, 2017 10:04:11 GMT 1, Totally agree, art collections are purely personal. This forum may introduce you to art and artists you may not be familiar with but then the choice is yours. If it's investment advice you're after then that's something I wouldn't ask this forum!
Totally agree, art collections are purely personal. This forum may introduce you to art and artists you may not be familiar with but then the choice is yours. If it's investment advice you're after then that's something I wouldn't ask this forum!
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by Geezer Mate on Sept 5, 2017 10:25:37 GMT 1, I fell into the go for as many editions of things I didn't even want, just the fix from getting something that sold out, now I just get what I want, and have found that there are lots of things out there that appeal to me and they don't cost the earth. Just buy what you like and have room for on the walls
I fell into the go for as many editions of things I didn't even want, just the fix from getting something that sold out, now I just get what I want, and have found that there are lots of things out there that appeal to me and they don't cost the earth. Just buy what you like and have room for on the walls
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Sept 5, 2017 10:49:15 GMT 1, And it's been said a million times don't let your wife get involved in your art decescions and new found hobby ๐
And it's been said a million times don't let your wife get involved in your art decescions and new found hobby ๐
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caruso
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by caruso on Sept 5, 2017 11:24:18 GMT 1, 1) get divorced 2) start collecting
Not necessarily in that order.
And it's been said a million times don't let your wife get involved in your art decescions and new found hobby ๐
1) get divorced 2) start collecting Not necessarily in that order. And it's been said a million times don't let your wife get involved in your art decescions and new found hobby ๐
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chevyav53
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by chevyav53 on Sept 5, 2017 13:17:08 GMT 1, caruso Ha, sound advice. Right after I left my first wife was when I really started collecting. But if you want to collect, remember divorce is not cheap. Lucky no kids involved. Got to be happy, life's short.
@cliff great observation. I'm not going to pretend I know exactly but in the last Juxtapoz magazine he talks about it stemming from his Portuguese roots and he adapts to traditions of the country he is working in to create his work.
caruso Ha, sound advice. Right after I left my first wife was when I really started collecting. But if you want to collect, remember divorce is not cheap. Lucky no kids involved. Got to be happy, life's short. @cliff great observation. I'm not going to pretend I know exactly but in the last Juxtapoz magazine he talks about it stemming from his Portuguese roots and he adapts to traditions of the country he is working in to create his work.
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by chrisell66 on Sept 5, 2017 13:35:55 GMT 1, I think to repeat from above - buy what you like - and buy with money you don't "need" - unless you want to deal.
There are better ways of "investing" and there's no guarantees with art - too many trends/flavour of the month/hype to ever guarantee "investment" at least with "street/urban". Equally every generation of art is quickly forgotten with only a few artists retaining "value".
In context - Rone was collectable - releases went quickly - usual flipper prices on e bay post release - now they do sell but slowly in comparison and ebay isn't riddled 24 hours after release. Investment wise - not great - my eyes however see the 5 Rones everyday and are richer for the experience.
I still place an early Irony up there in my favourites - cost me a whole ยฃ40 - probably worth ยฃ20 now - but its still the first thing I see in a morning.
I think to repeat from above - buy what you like - and buy with money you don't "need" - unless you want to deal.
There are better ways of "investing" and there's no guarantees with art - too many trends/flavour of the month/hype to ever guarantee "investment" at least with "street/urban". Equally every generation of art is quickly forgotten with only a few artists retaining "value".
In context - Rone was collectable - releases went quickly - usual flipper prices on e bay post release - now they do sell but slowly in comparison and ebay isn't riddled 24 hours after release. Investment wise - not great - my eyes however see the 5 Rones everyday and are richer for the experience.
I still place an early Irony up there in my favourites - cost me a whole ยฃ40 - probably worth ยฃ20 now - but its still the first thing I see in a morning.
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by natstan on Sept 5, 2017 14:03:34 GMT 1, Hello Forum, Hope you can help,ย I'm looking to start a collection from new Artists and have trawled through posts on here looking for some inspiration but so far, have been underwhelmed by a lot of the art on here. I'm fascinated with what people buy and of course, I realise, all art is subjective, but some Artists on here seem really really awful and I just don't seem to get what the fuss is all about. These include:ย Martin Whatson, Dolk, Eelus, Dave White, Copyright, Hush, Harland Miller, Snik, Pure Evil, Eine, Retna, Nick Walker and Mr Brainwash. However, I do like Pejac, Mehdi Ghadyanloo, Roa, Os gemeos.ย Suggestions please....
I think you don't have to rush into buying anything in order to start a collection right now. My gripe with many 'urban artists' these days is that as long as he can paint or draw something (and worse, work with photoshop and release prints), he calls himself an artist. I cannot tell you how many artists I found great in the past who I dislike these days. So finding your bearings for a longer period when you are starting out may be a sound idea. But out of those 4 you liked now, pejac and mehdi interest me just as much. I really value their thought process behind the work as much as the aesthetics.
I also like works by parra and geoff mcfetridge a lot. The former thinks in a 'weirdo' way (esp his early works) and the latter's works evoke emotions in me with very minimal graphics.
Hello Forum, Hope you can help,ย I'm looking to start a collection from new Artists and have trawled through posts on here looking for some inspiration but so far, have been underwhelmed by a lot of the art on here. I'm fascinated with what people buy and of course, I realise, all art is subjective, but some Artists on here seem really really awful and I just don't seem to get what the fuss is all about. These include:ย Martin Whatson, Dolk, Eelus, Dave White, Copyright, Hush, Harland Miller, Snik, Pure Evil, Eine, Retna, Nick Walker and Mr Brainwash. However, I do like Pejac, Mehdi Ghadyanloo, Roa, Os gemeos.ย Suggestions please.... I think you don't have to rush into buying anything in order to start a collection right now. My gripe with many 'urban artists' these days is that as long as he can paint or draw something (and worse, work with photoshop and release prints), he calls himself an artist. I cannot tell you how many artists I found great in the past who I dislike these days. So finding your bearings for a longer period when you are starting out may be a sound idea. But out of those 4 you liked now, pejac and mehdi interest me just as much. I really value their thought process behind the work as much as the aesthetics. I also like works by parra and geoff mcfetridge a lot. The former thinks in a 'weirdo' way (esp his early works) and the latter's works evoke emotions in me with very minimal graphics.
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 15:36:37 GMT 1, Buy what you like , like what you buy !!!
Buy what you like , like what you buy !!!
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by caruso on Sept 5, 2017 15:44:12 GMT 1, And explain to your banker it is art.
Buy what you like , like what you buy !!!
And explain to your banker it is art. Buy what you like , like what you buy !!!
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by met on Sept 5, 2017 16:25:57 GMT 1, E. B. White would be impressed. Although I felt the question itself was unfair, you managed to respond without dissecting a frog. I have no idea what that means, but I will just take it as a compliment. And one from met counts as triple word value. I'm not remotely as eloquent as sir met in my own language, let alone in a foreign one. It was indeed meant as a compliment.
The question that you replied to in your follow-up seemed lazy to me. Because the answer (and your original humorous intent) should have been clear to anybody who'd also read artgrenade's opening post. You were therefore placed in the unfair position of unnecessarily having to explain.
One of E. B. White's famous quotes is the following:
"Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but the thing dies in the process and the innards are discouraging to any but the pure scientific mind." This was later paraphrased by others in different ways, e.g. "Explaining a joke is like dissecting a frog. You understand it better but the frog dies in the process."
What I was trying to say is that you succeeded in explaining your joke without ruining it.
[Now query whether I've just killed my own frog.]
E. B. White would be impressed. Although I felt the question itself was unfair, you managed to respond without dissecting a frog. I have no idea what that means, but I will just take it as a compliment. And one from met counts as triple word value. I'm not remotely as eloquent as sir met in my own language, let alone in a foreign one. It was indeed meant as a compliment. The question that you replied to in your follow-up seemed lazy to me. Because the answer (and your original humorous intent) should have been clear to anybody who'd also read artgrenade's opening post. You were therefore placed in the unfair position of unnecessarily having to explain. One of E. B. White's famous quotes is the following: "Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but the thing dies in the process and the innards are discouraging to any but the pure scientific mind." This was later paraphrased by others in different ways, e.g. "Explaining a joke is like dissecting a frog. You understand it better but the frog dies in the process."What I was trying to say is that you succeeded in explaining your joke without ruining it. [Now query whether I've just killed my own frog.]
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detail
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by detail on Sept 5, 2017 16:48:16 GMT 1, The op is clearly not new to the art world or collecting 'new artists' so this seems an odd thread to start.
The op is clearly not new to the art world or collecting 'new artists' so this seems an odd thread to start.
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wrigs
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by wrigs on Sept 5, 2017 18:13:44 GMT 1, And it's been said a million times don't let your wife get involved in your art decescions and new found hobby ๐
I've found halving the price of works purchased seems to be the sweet spot ๐
And it's been said a million times don't let your wife get involved in your art decescions and new found hobby ๐ I've found halving the price of works purchased seems to be the sweet spot ๐
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ca
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by ca on Sept 5, 2017 18:38:25 GMT 1, And it's been said a million times don't let your wife get involved in your art decescions and new found hobby ๐ I've found halving the price of works purchased seems to be the sweet spot ๐ My wife quickly (+/- 5 years) realized there was no end in sight for this collecting madness but I've always tried to give her the impression she had a say in what I bought. Worked out well so far. If I do end up buying something that I know she won't like, simply use the "divide by 4" price approach. A white lie never hurt anyone huh
And it's been said a million times don't let your wife get involved in your art decescions and new found hobby ๐ I've found halving the price of works purchased seems to be the sweet spot ๐ My wife quickly (+/- 5 years) realized there was no end in sight for this collecting madness but I've always tried to give her the impression she had a say in what I bought. Worked out well so far. If I do end up buying something that I know she won't like, simply use the "divide by 4" price approach. A white lie never hurt anyone huh
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by redbirds on Sept 5, 2017 18:41:03 GMT 1, I've found halving the price of works purchased seems to be the sweet spot ๐ My wife quickly (+/- 5 years) realized there was no end in sight for this collecting madness but I've always tried to give her the impression she had a say in what I bought. Worked out well so far. If I do end up buying something that I know she won't like, simply use the "divide by 4" price approach. A white lie never hurt anyone huh
Same here ..wife thinks she has a big say ...that's the key ...If she only knew ...
I've found halving the price of works purchased seems to be the sweet spot ๐ My wife quickly (+/- 5 years) realized there was no end in sight for this collecting madness but I've always tried to give her the impression she had a say in what I bought. Worked out well so far. If I do end up buying something that I know she won't like, simply use the "divide by 4" price approach. A white lie never hurt anyone huh Same here ..wife thinks she has a big say ...that's the key ...If she only knew ...
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Urban Art - Who to collect or not!, by Rolex on Sept 5, 2017 20:18:08 GMT 1, Fair enough. I do not recall any of the master painters using an overhead projector though. what is the story behind these book covers? The stories last longer - things that people believe more than the aesthetic. I think you may be confusing the Connor Brothers or one of the other imitators. Harland doesn't use an overhead projector to create his works. I think you'll find harland does use an overhead projector for all his text on canvases, at least that's what he told me !
Fair enough. I do not recall any of the master painters using an overhead projector though. what is the story behind these book covers? The stories last longer - things that people believe more than the aesthetic. I think you may be confusing the Connor Brothers or one of the other imitators. Harland doesn't use an overhead projector to create his works. I think you'll find harland does use an overhead projector for all his text on canvases, at least that's what he told me !
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