nex
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by nex on May 14, 2018 12:53:04 GMT 1, It's more the video than the song. Also look at America today. The Trump Presidency has brought a lot of America's checkered history to the forefront. We're seeing a rise in racial intolerance when we should be going the other direction. The Obama presidency gave urgency to white nationalists, the Trump presidency empowers the radical left, and the pendulum continues to swing.
'radical left' lmao, do you actually mean anyone who doesn't support Trump?
It's more the video than the song. Also look at America today. The Trump Presidency has brought a lot of America's checkered history to the forefront. We're seeing a rise in racial intolerance when we should be going the other direction. The Obama presidency gave urgency to white nationalists, the Trump presidency empowers the radical left, and the pendulum continues to swing. 'radical left' lmao, do you actually mean anyone who doesn't support Trump?
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medichead
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by medichead on May 14, 2018 15:30:16 GMT 1, Seems to work pretty well in Australia by comparison. Since Australia’s gun ban gun violence in general declined over the following two decades to a nearly unimaginable degree. In 2014, the latest year for which final statistics are available, Australia’s murder rate fell to less than 1 killing per 100,000 people—a murder rate one-fifth the size of America’s. Just 32 of those homicides—in a nation of 24 MILLION PEOPLE—were committed with guns. By comparison, more than 500 people were shot dead last year in the city of Chicago alone. (Chicago has about 2.7 million residents.) Perhaps most remarkable is what happened with gun suicides in Australia in the wake of the post-Port Arthur firearm legislation. They dropped by some 80 percent... Hard to say less guns means less gun deaths. Will they all go away? No. Of course not. Will less people die by forearms? YES. 100% Interestingly enough Chicago has among the most strict gun control laws in the country. The reason it hasn’t helped is because gun violence is a symptom of a larger problem. The graduation rate is on a steady increase but it’s still only around 75%. When 1/4 of the kids in Chicago aren’t graduating what are they going to do with their lives? Sell drugs and rob to survive, and both of those promote guns. When the kids stay out of the streets and finish school, you’ll see the violence go down. Australia doesn’t share those social issues so it would make sense when guns were confiscated it was ‘successful’. Most of the guns turned in didn’t belong to criminals who resorted to using them daily. The overall homicide and suicide rate has remained consistent despite the ban as well . Which just goes to show if someone’s motivated to hurting themselves or others, they’ll find a way. I don’t know why changing the cause of death is considered a win.
Doesn’t this make the assumption that just because Chicago has tough gun laws, people will struggle to get guns from anywhere?
In the UK we have tough gun laws throughout, so there is no legal and easy way to purchase a gun and then bring it into the country (ie in your luggage on a plane). In the States you can buy it in one state and cross the state border, without crossing an actual checkpoint...
Therefore the reason it hasn’t helped Chicago is people just buy their guns from another place, because guns are readily accessible everywhere because they’re legal in some places.
Seems to work pretty well in Australia by comparison. Since Australia’s gun ban gun violence in general declined over the following two decades to a nearly unimaginable degree. In 2014, the latest year for which final statistics are available, Australia’s murder rate fell to less than 1 killing per 100,000 people—a murder rate one-fifth the size of America’s. Just 32 of those homicides—in a nation of 24 MILLION PEOPLE—were committed with guns. By comparison, more than 500 people were shot dead last year in the city of Chicago alone. (Chicago has about 2.7 million residents.) Perhaps most remarkable is what happened with gun suicides in Australia in the wake of the post-Port Arthur firearm legislation. They dropped by some 80 percent... Hard to say less guns means less gun deaths. Will they all go away? No. Of course not. Will less people die by forearms? YES. 100% Interestingly enough Chicago has among the most strict gun control laws in the country. The reason it hasn’t helped is because gun violence is a symptom of a larger problem. The graduation rate is on a steady increase but it’s still only around 75%. When 1/4 of the kids in Chicago aren’t graduating what are they going to do with their lives? Sell drugs and rob to survive, and both of those promote guns. When the kids stay out of the streets and finish school, you’ll see the violence go down. Australia doesn’t share those social issues so it would make sense when guns were confiscated it was ‘successful’. Most of the guns turned in didn’t belong to criminals who resorted to using them daily. The overall homicide and suicide rate has remained consistent despite the ban as well . Which just goes to show if someone’s motivated to hurting themselves or others, they’ll find a way. I don’t know why changing the cause of death is considered a win. Doesn’t this make the assumption that just because Chicago has tough gun laws, people will struggle to get guns from anywhere? In the UK we have tough gun laws throughout, so there is no legal and easy way to purchase a gun and then bring it into the country (ie in your luggage on a plane). In the States you can buy it in one state and cross the state border, without crossing an actual checkpoint... Therefore the reason it hasn’t helped Chicago is people just buy their guns from another place, because guns are readily accessible everywhere because they’re legal in some places.
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NYart
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by NYart on May 14, 2018 16:13:34 GMT 1, Interestingly enough Chicago has among the most strict gun control laws in the country. The reason it hasn’t helped is because gun violence is a symptom of a larger problem. The graduation rate is on a steady increase but it’s still only around 75%. When 1/4 of the kids in Chicago aren’t graduating what are they going to do with their lives? Sell drugs and rob to survive, and both of those promote guns. When the kids stay out of the streets and finish school, you’ll see the violence go down. Australia doesn’t share those social issues so it would make sense when guns were confiscated it was ‘successful’. Most of the guns turned in didn’t belong to criminals who resorted to using them daily. The overall homicide and suicide rate has remained consistent despite the ban as well . Which just goes to show if someone’s motivated to hurting themselves or others, they’ll find a way. I don’t know why changing the cause of death is considered a win. Doesn’t this make the assumption that just because Chicago has tough gun laws, people will struggle to get guns from anywhere? In the UK we have tough gun laws throughout, so there is no legal and easy way to purchase a gun and then bring it into the country (ie in your luggage on a plane). In the States you can buy it in one state and cross the state border, without crossing an actual checkpoint... Therefore the reason it hasn’t helped Chicago is people just buy their guns from another place, because guns are readily accessible everywhere because they’re legal in some places.
I guess my point was that the legality of the guns in Chicago has no effect on the demand for them. Would banning all guns in the country hurt the supply? Sure, but where there is a demand for something illegal (drugs, alcohol) the supply will find its way in. You used the example of it being hard to smuggle a gun in luggage, I can’t imagine it’s much easier to get drugs in that route either, but there’s no denying they get in. At the most recent gun buyback in Australia, a lot of them were homemade, so in that case, when they weren’t able to buy them they made them. Remove the demand from the equation and you’ll see results, it’s been shown over and over you can’t elimiate the supply.
Interestingly enough Chicago has among the most strict gun control laws in the country. The reason it hasn’t helped is because gun violence is a symptom of a larger problem. The graduation rate is on a steady increase but it’s still only around 75%. When 1/4 of the kids in Chicago aren’t graduating what are they going to do with their lives? Sell drugs and rob to survive, and both of those promote guns. When the kids stay out of the streets and finish school, you’ll see the violence go down. Australia doesn’t share those social issues so it would make sense when guns were confiscated it was ‘successful’. Most of the guns turned in didn’t belong to criminals who resorted to using them daily. The overall homicide and suicide rate has remained consistent despite the ban as well . Which just goes to show if someone’s motivated to hurting themselves or others, they’ll find a way. I don’t know why changing the cause of death is considered a win. Doesn’t this make the assumption that just because Chicago has tough gun laws, people will struggle to get guns from anywhere? In the UK we have tough gun laws throughout, so there is no legal and easy way to purchase a gun and then bring it into the country (ie in your luggage on a plane). In the States you can buy it in one state and cross the state border, without crossing an actual checkpoint... Therefore the reason it hasn’t helped Chicago is people just buy their guns from another place, because guns are readily accessible everywhere because they’re legal in some places. I guess my point was that the legality of the guns in Chicago has no effect on the demand for them. Would banning all guns in the country hurt the supply? Sure, but where there is a demand for something illegal (drugs, alcohol) the supply will find its way in. You used the example of it being hard to smuggle a gun in luggage, I can’t imagine it’s much easier to get drugs in that route either, but there’s no denying they get in. At the most recent gun buyback in Australia, a lot of them were homemade, so in that case, when they weren’t able to buy them they made them. Remove the demand from the equation and you’ll see results, it’s been shown over and over you can’t elimiate the supply.
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Geezer Mate
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by Geezer Mate on May 14, 2018 16:31:04 GMT 1, Listening to this on the radio I didn’t think much of it, then watching it makes it so much more powerful amazing performance art
Listening to this on the radio I didn’t think much of it, then watching it makes it so much more powerful amazing performance art
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by Express Post on May 14, 2018 16:46:20 GMT 1, Topic of gun control, can any Murican that owns a firearm explain why a right to bear semi or fully automatic weapons, plural here, is necessary?
What is wrong with a bolt action rifle, or double barrel shotgun?
Do you really need an arsenal?
Amendment was written back in the day when there were only ye olde muskets. It was in response to the British who tried to use force to make you pay taxes.
Topic of gun control, can any Murican that owns a firearm explain why a right to bear semi or fully automatic weapons, plural here, is necessary?
What is wrong with a bolt action rifle, or double barrel shotgun?
Do you really need an arsenal?
Amendment was written back in the day when there were only ye olde muskets. It was in response to the British who tried to use force to make you pay taxes.
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by NYart on May 14, 2018 16:59:35 GMT 1, Topic of gun control, can any Murican that owns a firearm explain why a right to bear semi or fully automatic weapons, plural here, is necessary? What is wrong with a bolt action rifle, or double barrel shotgun? Do you really need an arsenal? Amendment was written back in the day when there were only ye olde muskets. It was in response to the British who tried to use force to make you pay taxes.
We can’t own fully automatic unless your properly liscenced, taxed, and are able to source and afford a weapon manufactured before 1986. If we weren’t allowed to own semi automatic all pistols would be outlawed, as would many basic hunting rifles. Back when the constitution was written muskets weren’t the only thing around by then (look up puckle gun). But even so, their intent was to prevent tyranny from the government so just going off that we’d need helicopters, stealth bombers and all that.
On the point of an arsenal, definitely not ‘necessary’ but some people enjoy collecting just like us and our art.
Topic of gun control, can any Murican that owns a firearm explain why a right to bear semi or fully automatic weapons, plural here, is necessary? What is wrong with a bolt action rifle, or double barrel shotgun? Do you really need an arsenal? Amendment was written back in the day when there were only ye olde muskets. It was in response to the British who tried to use force to make you pay taxes. We can’t own fully automatic unless your properly liscenced, taxed, and are able to source and afford a weapon manufactured before 1986. If we weren’t allowed to own semi automatic all pistols would be outlawed, as would many basic hunting rifles. Back when the constitution was written muskets weren’t the only thing around by then (look up puckle gun). But even so, their intent was to prevent tyranny from the government so just going off that we’d need helicopters, stealth bombers and all that. On the point of an arsenal, definitely not ‘necessary’ but some people enjoy collecting just like us and our art.
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by T-Bro on May 14, 2018 17:54:06 GMT 1, Topic of gun control, can any Murican that owns a firearm explain why a right to bear semi or fully automatic weapons, plural here, is necessary? What is wrong with a bolt action rifle, or double barrel shotgun? Do you really need an arsenal? Amendment was written back in the day when there were only ye olde muskets. It was in response to the British who tried to use force to make you pay taxes. We can’t own fully automatic unless your properly liscenced, taxed, and are able to source and afford a weapon manufactured before 1986. If we weren’t allowed to own semi automatic all pistols would be outlawed, as would many basic hunting rifles. Back when the constitution was written muskets weren’t the only thing around by then (look up puckle gun). But even so, their intent was to prevent tyranny from the government so just going off that we’d need helicopters, stealth bombers and all that. On the point of an arsenal, definitely not ‘necessary’ but some people enjoy collecting just like us and our art. i am pretty sure my art has never been responsible for the death of anyone - unless its a paper cut that went really really bad!
Topic of gun control, can any Murican that owns a firearm explain why a right to bear semi or fully automatic weapons, plural here, is necessary? What is wrong with a bolt action rifle, or double barrel shotgun? Do you really need an arsenal? Amendment was written back in the day when there were only ye olde muskets. It was in response to the British who tried to use force to make you pay taxes. We can’t own fully automatic unless your properly liscenced, taxed, and are able to source and afford a weapon manufactured before 1986. If we weren’t allowed to own semi automatic all pistols would be outlawed, as would many basic hunting rifles. Back when the constitution was written muskets weren’t the only thing around by then (look up puckle gun). But even so, their intent was to prevent tyranny from the government so just going off that we’d need helicopters, stealth bombers and all that. On the point of an arsenal, definitely not ‘necessary’ but some people enjoy collecting just like us and our art. i am pretty sure my art has never been responsible for the death of anyone - unless its a paper cut that went really really bad!
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by Express Post on May 14, 2018 18:12:40 GMT 1, Otherwise jack up the price of bullets.
The Chris Rock solution, $5000 per shot.
You'd think twice before pulling that trigger on anyone or anything.
Otherwise jack up the price of bullets.
The Chris Rock solution, $5000 per shot.
You'd think twice before pulling that trigger on anyone or anything.
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louic
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by louic on May 14, 2018 20:48:40 GMT 1, The video goes further than just talking about gun crime. It is also a commentary on how America’s association with traditional black American culture is deep-rooted in oppression. The statement is ambiguous and bold at the same time. That’s why this video has drawn so much attention and why it is so important.
The video goes further than just talking about gun crime. It is also a commentary on how America’s association with traditional black American culture is deep-rooted in oppression. The statement is ambiguous and bold at the same time. That’s why this video has drawn so much attention and why it is so important.
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by Deleted on May 14, 2018 21:42:35 GMT 1, We can’t own fully automatic unless your properly liscenced, taxed, and are able to source and afford a weapon manufactured before 1986. If we weren’t allowed to own semi automatic all pistols would be outlawed, as would many basic hunting rifles. Back when the constitution was written muskets weren’t the only thing around by then (look up puckle gun). But even so, their intent was to prevent tyranny from the government so just going off that we’d need helicopters, stealth bombers and all that. On the point of an arsenal, definitely not ‘necessary’ but some people enjoy collecting just like us and our art. i am pretty sure my art has never been responsible for the death of anyone - unless its a paper cut that went really really bad! I am pretty sure a responsible gun owners' gun has also never been responsible for the death of anyone..and I'm also pretty sure there have been killers that liked and owned art.
Also, on the topic of gun confiscation: there are an estimated 300 million guns in the US. You can't confiscate guns on such a major scale. Doing so would just prove the point of second amendment defenders - you need weapons to protect yourself against a tyrannical state.
We can’t own fully automatic unless your properly liscenced, taxed, and are able to source and afford a weapon manufactured before 1986. If we weren’t allowed to own semi automatic all pistols would be outlawed, as would many basic hunting rifles. Back when the constitution was written muskets weren’t the only thing around by then (look up puckle gun). But even so, their intent was to prevent tyranny from the government so just going off that we’d need helicopters, stealth bombers and all that. On the point of an arsenal, definitely not ‘necessary’ but some people enjoy collecting just like us and our art. i am pretty sure my art has never been responsible for the death of anyone - unless its a paper cut that went really really bad! I am pretty sure a responsible gun owners' gun has also never been responsible for the death of anyone..and I'm also pretty sure there have been killers that liked and owned art. Also, on the topic of gun confiscation: there are an estimated 300 million guns in the US. You can't confiscate guns on such a major scale. Doing so would just prove the point of second amendment defenders - you need weapons to protect yourself against a tyrannical state.
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by Deleted on May 14, 2018 21:44:08 GMT 1, The Obama presidency gave urgency to white nationalists, the Trump presidency empowers the radical left, and the pendulum continues to swing. 'radical left' lmao, do you actually mean anyone who doesn't support Trump? I'm sure he means the radical left. There are a lot of people that don't support trump that are center, libertarian or traditionally conservative.
The Obama presidency gave urgency to white nationalists, the Trump presidency empowers the radical left, and the pendulum continues to swing. 'radical left' lmao, do you actually mean anyone who doesn't support Trump? I'm sure he means the radical left. There are a lot of people that don't support trump that are center, libertarian or traditionally conservative.
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hui
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by hui on May 14, 2018 23:57:31 GMT 1, Is Bernie Sanders still considered a member of the radicals left?
And let's face it - most "radicals" are already motivated. That's why most primaries avoid the center.
Is Bernie Sanders still considered a member of the radicals left?
And let's face it - most "radicals" are already motivated. That's why most primaries avoid the center.
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by coller on May 15, 2018 0:15:27 GMT 1, Doesn’t this make the assumption that just because Chicago has tough gun laws, people will struggle to get guns from anywhere? In the UK we have tough gun laws throughout, so there is no legal and easy way to purchase a gun and then bring it into the country (ie in your luggage on a plane). In the States you can buy it in one state and cross the state border, without crossing an actual checkpoint... Therefore the reason it hasn’t helped Chicago is people just buy their guns from another place, because guns are readily accessible everywhere because they’re legal in some places. I guess my point was that the legality of the guns in Chicago has no effect on the demand for them. Would banning all guns in the country hurt the supply? Sure, but where there is a demand for something illegal (drugs, alcohol) the supply will find its way in. You used the example of it being hard to smuggle a gun in luggage, I can’t imagine it’s much easier to get drugs in that route either, but there’s no denying they get in. At the most recent gun buyback in Australia, a lot of them were homemade, so in that case, when they weren’t able to buy them they made them. Remove the demand from the equation and you’ll see results, it’s been shown over and over you can’t elimiate the supply. liability insurance is one of the many answers
Doesn’t this make the assumption that just because Chicago has tough gun laws, people will struggle to get guns from anywhere? In the UK we have tough gun laws throughout, so there is no legal and easy way to purchase a gun and then bring it into the country (ie in your luggage on a plane). In the States you can buy it in one state and cross the state border, without crossing an actual checkpoint... Therefore the reason it hasn’t helped Chicago is people just buy their guns from another place, because guns are readily accessible everywhere because they’re legal in some places. I guess my point was that the legality of the guns in Chicago has no effect on the demand for them. Would banning all guns in the country hurt the supply? Sure, but where there is a demand for something illegal (drugs, alcohol) the supply will find its way in. You used the example of it being hard to smuggle a gun in luggage, I can’t imagine it’s much easier to get drugs in that route either, but there’s no denying they get in. At the most recent gun buyback in Australia, a lot of them were homemade, so in that case, when they weren’t able to buy them they made them. Remove the demand from the equation and you’ll see results, it’s been shown over and over you can’t elimiate the supply. liability insurance is one of the many answers
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by Deleted on May 15, 2018 1:18:49 GMT 1, Is Bernie Sanders still considered a member of the radicals left? And let's face it - most "radicals" are already motivated. That's why most primaries avoid the center. Bernie is a hardcore socialist leaning towards marxism so yeah, I'd consider him pretty radical. We don't need radicals, either left or rightwing.
Is Bernie Sanders still considered a member of the radicals left? And let's face it - most "radicals" are already motivated. That's why most primaries avoid the center. Bernie is a hardcore socialist leaning towards marxism so yeah, I'd consider him pretty radical. We don't need radicals, either left or rightwing.
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by mose on May 15, 2018 1:35:38 GMT 1, The Obama presidency gave urgency to white nationalists, the Trump presidency empowers the radical left, and the pendulum continues to swing. 'radical left' lmao, do you actually mean anyone who doesn't support Trump? No, just like 'racist right' didn't describe everyone that disagreed with Obama.
The Obama presidency gave urgency to white nationalists, the Trump presidency empowers the radical left, and the pendulum continues to swing. 'radical left' lmao, do you actually mean anyone who doesn't support Trump? No, just like 'racist right' didn't describe everyone that disagreed with Obama.
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by mose on May 15, 2018 1:41:30 GMT 1, 'radical left' lmao, do you actually mean anyone who doesn't support Trump? I'm sure he means the radical left. There are a lot of people that don't support trump that are center, libertarian or traditionally conservative. This. Some of my friends who are the most conservative are the biggest critics Trump and are actively working to ensure he loses a 2020 primary (or is scared off enough to not even run).
They just aren't doing things while wearing masks in the streets, pepper spraying people, and preventing discourse in the public sphere. At this time, that would be the radical left.
It's amazing how pendulums swing. When I was growing up, you had to fear the right wing conservatives banning records/movies/books/events/speakers. Though, it must be pointed out that Tipper Gore, Al's wife, was a major figure in that game. Ice T expressed his feelings on the topic quite eloquently when he said,
"Yo Tip, what's the matter? You ain't gettin' no d!ck? You're b!tchin' about rock'n'roll, that's censorship, dumb b!tch
The Constitution says we all got a right to speak
Say what we want Tip, your argument is weak
Censor records, TV, school books too
And who decides what's right to hear? You?"
Now, censorship of ideas and expression is largely a leftist pastime.
'radical left' lmao, do you actually mean anyone who doesn't support Trump? I'm sure he means the radical left. There are a lot of people that don't support trump that are center, libertarian or traditionally conservative. This. Some of my friends who are the most conservative are the biggest critics Trump and are actively working to ensure he loses a 2020 primary (or is scared off enough to not even run). They just aren't doing things while wearing masks in the streets, pepper spraying people, and preventing discourse in the public sphere. At this time, that would be the radical left. It's amazing how pendulums swing. When I was growing up, you had to fear the right wing conservatives banning records/movies/books/events/speakers. Though, it must be pointed out that Tipper Gore, Al's wife, was a major figure in that game. Ice T expressed his feelings on the topic quite eloquently when he said, "Yo Tip, what's the matter? You ain't gettin' no d!ck? You're b!tchin' about rock'n'roll, that's censorship, dumb b!tch The Constitution says we all got a right to speak Say what we want Tip, your argument is weak Censor records, TV, school books too And who decides what's right to hear? You?" Now, censorship of ideas and expression is largely a leftist pastime.
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by nex on May 15, 2018 1:50:50 GMT 1, I'm sure he means the radical left. There are a lot of people that don't support trump that are center, libertarian or traditionally conservative. This. Some of my friends who are the most conservative are the biggest critics Trump and are actively working to ensure he loses a 2020 primary (or is scared off enough to not even run). They just aren't doing things while wearing masks in the streets, pepper spraying people, and preventing discourse in the public sphere. At this time, that would be the radical left. It's amazing how pendulums swing. When I was growing up, you had to fear the right wing conservatives banning records/movies/books/events/speakers. Though, it must be pointed out that Tipper Gore, Al's wife, was a major figure in that game. Ice T expressed his feelings on the topic quite eloquently when he said, "Yo Tip, what's the matter? You ain't gettin' no d!ck? You're b!tchin' about rock'n'roll, that's censorship, dumb b!tch The Constitution says we all got a right to speak Say what we want Tip, your argument is weak Censor records, TV, school books too And who decides what's right to hear? You?" Now, censorship of ideas and expression is largely a leftist pastime.
If you say so grandpa
I'm sure he means the radical left. There are a lot of people that don't support trump that are center, libertarian or traditionally conservative. This. Some of my friends who are the most conservative are the biggest critics Trump and are actively working to ensure he loses a 2020 primary (or is scared off enough to not even run). They just aren't doing things while wearing masks in the streets, pepper spraying people, and preventing discourse in the public sphere. At this time, that would be the radical left. It's amazing how pendulums swing. When I was growing up, you had to fear the right wing conservatives banning records/movies/books/events/speakers. Though, it must be pointed out that Tipper Gore, Al's wife, was a major figure in that game. Ice T expressed his feelings on the topic quite eloquently when he said, "Yo Tip, what's the matter? You ain't gettin' no d!ck? You're b!tchin' about rock'n'roll, that's censorship, dumb b!tch The Constitution says we all got a right to speak Say what we want Tip, your argument is weak Censor records, TV, school books too And who decides what's right to hear? You?" Now, censorship of ideas and expression is largely a leftist pastime. If you say so grandpa
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nex
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by nex on May 15, 2018 1:53:33 GMT 1, This. Some of my friends who are the most conservative are the biggest critics Trump and are actively working to ensure he loses a 2020 primary (or is scared off enough to not even run). They just aren't doing things while wearing masks in the streets, pepper spraying people, and preventing discourse in the public sphere. At this time, that would be the radical left. It's amazing how pendulums swing. When I was growing up, you had to fear the right wing conservatives banning records/movies/books/events/speakers. Though, it must be pointed out that Tipper Gore, Al's wife, was a major figure in that game. Ice T expressed his feelings on the topic quite eloquently when he said, "Yo Tip, what's the matter? You ain't gettin' no d!ck? You're b!tchin' about rock'n'roll, that's censorship, dumb b!tch The Constitution says we all got a right to speak Say what we want Tip, your argument is weak Censor records, TV, school books too And who decides what's right to hear? You?" Now, censorship of ideas and expression is largely a leftist pastime. If you say so grandpa
That’s unfair apologies
I just find it so tiresome this left bashing bandwagon that seems to have gathered pace in recent times
Yes their are some ppl on the left who shout isms when they shouldn’t and it’s important to hear views to challenge them. BUT free speech dues come with responsibility and some want us to forget it.
This. Some of my friends who are the most conservative are the biggest critics Trump and are actively working to ensure he loses a 2020 primary (or is scared off enough to not even run). They just aren't doing things while wearing masks in the streets, pepper spraying people, and preventing discourse in the public sphere. At this time, that would be the radical left. It's amazing how pendulums swing. When I was growing up, you had to fear the right wing conservatives banning records/movies/books/events/speakers. Though, it must be pointed out that Tipper Gore, Al's wife, was a major figure in that game. Ice T expressed his feelings on the topic quite eloquently when he said, "Yo Tip, what's the matter? You ain't gettin' no d!ck? You're b!tchin' about rock'n'roll, that's censorship, dumb b!tch The Constitution says we all got a right to speak Say what we want Tip, your argument is weak Censor records, TV, school books too And who decides what's right to hear? You?" Now, censorship of ideas and expression is largely a leftist pastime. If you say so grandpa That’s unfair apologies I just find it so tiresome this left bashing bandwagon that seems to have gathered pace in recent times Yes their are some ppl on the left who shout isms when they shouldn’t and it’s important to hear views to challenge them. BUT free speech dues come with responsibility and some want us to forget it.
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by Deleted on May 15, 2018 2:08:12 GMT 1, That’s unfair apologies I just find it so tiresome this left bashing bandwagon that seems to have gathered pace in recent times Yes their are some ppl on the left who shout isms when they shouldn’t and it’s important to hear views to challenge them. BUT free speech dues come with responsibility and some want us to forget it. Why do you think it has gathered pace in recent times? Honest question.
That’s unfair apologies I just find it so tiresome this left bashing bandwagon that seems to have gathered pace in recent times Yes their are some ppl on the left who shout isms when they shouldn’t and it’s important to hear views to challenge them. BUT free speech dues come with responsibility and some want us to forget it. Why do you think it has gathered pace in recent times? Honest question.
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by mose on May 15, 2018 2:09:40 GMT 1, Oh, freedom of speech has NEVER meant freedom from consequences.
The young left, and I do appreciate their passion, have failed to recognize some lessons of the past best stated by Justice Brandeis. First, "Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman." Second, "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence." Third and finally, "The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding."
The young left, to me as an observer, is the very definition of '...zeal, well meaning but without understanding."
But, as you stated, it could be that as a generation X'er, I've already started my transition to grandpa. We'll see, but I don't see their current approach bearing fruit in the long-run. And, when the pendulum swings, as from my experience and reading it always does, they are going to regret when their techniques are in turn used against them.
'Punch a Nazi' = the normalization of political violence which is terribly dangerous. To paraphrase one of my favorite films, Pi, 'It's survival of the fittest, Max, and we've got the f**king guns.' That should be a much scarier thought to leftist radical activists than it seems to be. It sure scares me, but again, I'm rapidly heading toward old.
Oh, freedom of speech has NEVER meant freedom from consequences.
The young left, and I do appreciate their passion, have failed to recognize some lessons of the past best stated by Justice Brandeis. First, "Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman." Second, "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence." Third and finally, "The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding."
The young left, to me as an observer, is the very definition of '...zeal, well meaning but without understanding."
But, as you stated, it could be that as a generation X'er, I've already started my transition to grandpa. We'll see, but I don't see their current approach bearing fruit in the long-run. And, when the pendulum swings, as from my experience and reading it always does, they are going to regret when their techniques are in turn used against them.
'Punch a Nazi' = the normalization of political violence which is terribly dangerous. To paraphrase one of my favorite films, Pi, 'It's survival of the fittest, Max, and we've got the f**king guns.' That should be a much scarier thought to leftist radical activists than it seems to be. It sure scares me, but again, I'm rapidly heading toward old.
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by nex on May 15, 2018 3:23:32 GMT 1, That’s unfair apologies I just find it so tiresome this left bashing bandwagon that seems to have gathered pace in recent times Yes their are some ppl on the left who shout isms when they shouldn’t and it’s important to hear views to challenge them. BUT free speech dues come with responsibility and some want us to forget it. Why do you think it has gathered pace in recent times? Honest question.
My guess social media and too many poorly informed / reactionary voices across the political divide - spolilimg for an argument
That’s unfair apologies I just find it so tiresome this left bashing bandwagon that seems to have gathered pace in recent times Yes their are some ppl on the left who shout isms when they shouldn’t and it’s important to hear views to challenge them. BUT free speech dues come with responsibility and some want us to forget it. Why do you think it has gathered pace in recent times? Honest question. My guess social media and too many poorly informed / reactionary voices across the political divide - spolilimg for an argument
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by nex on May 15, 2018 3:26:06 GMT 1, Oh, freedom of speech has NEVER meant freedom from consequences. The young left, and I do appreciate their passion, have failed to recognize some lessons of the past best stated by Justice Brandeis. First, "Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman." Second, "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence." Third and finally, "The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." The young left, to me as an observer, is the very definition of '...zeal, well meaning but without understanding." But, as you stated, it could be that as a generation X'er, I've already started my transition to grandpa. We'll see, but I don't see their current approach bearing fruit in the long-run. And, when the pendulum swings, as from my experience and reading it always does, they are going to regret when their techniques are in turn used against them. 'Punch a Nazi' = the normalization of political violence which is terribly dangerous. To paraphrase one of my favorite films, Pi, 'It's survival of the fittest, Max, and we've got the f**king guns.' That should be a much scarier thought to leftist radical activists than it seems to be. It sure scares me, but again, I'm rapidly heading toward old.
If you’ve got the time this interesting, Jonathan Pie creator makes some great points
Oh, freedom of speech has NEVER meant freedom from consequences. The young left, and I do appreciate their passion, have failed to recognize some lessons of the past best stated by Justice Brandeis. First, "Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman." Second, "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence." Third and finally, "The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." The young left, to me as an observer, is the very definition of '...zeal, well meaning but without understanding." But, as you stated, it could be that as a generation X'er, I've already started my transition to grandpa. We'll see, but I don't see their current approach bearing fruit in the long-run. And, when the pendulum swings, as from my experience and reading it always does, they are going to regret when their techniques are in turn used against them. 'Punch a Nazi' = the normalization of political violence which is terribly dangerous. To paraphrase one of my favorite films, Pi, 'It's survival of the fittest, Max, and we've got the f**king guns.' That should be a much scarier thought to leftist radical activists than it seems to be. It sure scares me, but again, I'm rapidly heading toward old. If you’ve got the time this interesting, Jonathan Pie creator makes some great points
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by nimzy on May 19, 2018 23:50:26 GMT 1, www.theguardian.com/music/2018/may/12/the-rise-of-donald-glover-childish-gambino
Great piece on Donald Glover. I have enjoyed his standup, Community role, and loving Atlanta. The Childish Gambino persona was not quite my style but I appreciate what he did with it. Interesting to hear he is getting bored with it and may only do one more album.
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by mose on May 20, 2018 0:59:40 GMT 1, Having spent some time with the 'This is America' video, I tend to view it as a pretty significant criticism of black America.
I find it interesting that it is so celebrated by left-leaning media outlets, when they criticized Kanye for saying things of the same ilk.
Having spent some time with the 'This is America' video, I tend to view it as a pretty significant criticism of black America.
I find it interesting that it is so celebrated by left-leaning media outlets, when they criticized Kanye for saying things of the same ilk.
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by nimzy on May 20, 2018 1:07:49 GMT 1, Having spent some time with the 'This is America' video, I tend to view it as a pretty significant criticism of black America. I find it interesting that it is so celebrated by left-leaning media outlets, when they criticized Kanye for saying things of the same ilk. Donald Glover has made mention of the fact he is either dating or married to a white woman because black culture (and women) didn't really accept him at the time. He is well educated and in his own words "weird" and a "nerd".
Having spent some time with the 'This is America' video, I tend to view it as a pretty significant criticism of black America. I find it interesting that it is so celebrated by left-leaning media outlets, when they criticized Kanye for saying things of the same ilk. Donald Glover has made mention of the fact he is either dating or married to a white woman because black culture (and women) didn't really accept him at the time. He is well educated and in his own words "weird" and a "nerd".
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by Deleted on May 20, 2018 1:10:46 GMT 1, Having spent some time with the 'This is America' video, I tend to view it as a pretty significant criticism of black America. I find it interesting that it is so celebrated by left-leaning media outlets, when they criticized Kanye for saying things of the same ilk. I think that's the brilliance of the video, I view it the same way as you do, but apparently leftists are able to see the complete opposite in it.
If his idea was to spark up an honest debate about black America, the same way I think Kanye intended to do, he surely succeeded.
Leftists go like: omg this vid is so cool because he clearly shows how black people are so much less privileged and omg he's saying guns are bad
And I go like: omg this vid is so cool because he's showing how black people are so focussed on trivial SJW black lives matter racial shit (represented by his dancing in the video) that they completely seem to be oblivious for the stuff that's going on in their communities, in the background, that's actually fucking shit up for them.
Having spent some time with the 'This is America' video, I tend to view it as a pretty significant criticism of black America. I find it interesting that it is so celebrated by left-leaning media outlets, when they criticized Kanye for saying things of the same ilk. I think that's the brilliance of the video, I view it the same way as you do, but apparently leftists are able to see the complete opposite in it. If his idea was to spark up an honest debate about black America, the same way I think Kanye intended to do, he surely succeeded. Leftists go like: omg this vid is so cool because he clearly shows how black people are so much less privileged and omg he's saying guns are bad And I go like: omg this vid is so cool because he's showing how black people are so focussed on trivial SJW black lives matter racial shit (represented by his dancing in the video) that they completely seem to be oblivious for the stuff that's going on in their communities, in the background, that's actually fucking shit up for them.
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by 🙈 🙉 🙊 on May 20, 2018 1:29:21 GMT 1, Having spent some time with the 'This is America' video, I tend to view it as a pretty significant criticism of black America. I find it interesting that it is so celebrated by left-leaning media outlets, when they criticized Kanye for saying things of the same ilk. I think that's the brilliance of the video, I view it the same way as you do, but apparently leftists are able to see the complete opposite in it. If his idea was to spark up an honest debate about black America, the same way I think Kanye intended to do, he surely succeeded. Leftists go like: omg this vid is so cool because he clearly shows how black people are so much less privileged and omg he's saying guns are bad And I go like: omg this vid is so cool because he's showing how black people are so focussed on trivial SJW black lives matter racials**t (represented by his dancing in the video) that they completely seem to be oblivious for the stuff that's going on in their communities, in the background, that's actually fuckings**t up for them. Oh, bless your heart
Having spent some time with the 'This is America' video, I tend to view it as a pretty significant criticism of black America. I find it interesting that it is so celebrated by left-leaning media outlets, when they criticized Kanye for saying things of the same ilk. I think that's the brilliance of the video, I view it the same way as you do, but apparently leftists are able to see the complete opposite in it. If his idea was to spark up an honest debate about black America, the same way I think Kanye intended to do, he surely succeeded. Leftists go like: omg this vid is so cool because he clearly shows how black people are so much less privileged and omg he's saying guns are bad And I go like: omg this vid is so cool because he's showing how black people are so focussed on trivial SJW black lives matter racials**t (represented by his dancing in the video) that they completely seem to be oblivious for the stuff that's going on in their communities, in the background, that's actually fuckings**t up for them. Oh, bless your heart
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by Coach on May 20, 2018 1:29:33 GMT 1, Having spent some time with the 'This is America' video, I tend to view it as a pretty significant criticism of black America. I find it interesting that it is so celebrated by left-leaning media outlets, when they criticized Kanye for saying things of the same ilk.
With all due respect, I think your view of it is wrong. You may wish to hold those criticisms (or not), but I’m fairly confident that the creators of the music and video did not.
Having spent some time with the 'This is America' video, I tend to view it as a pretty significant criticism of black America. I find it interesting that it is so celebrated by left-leaning media outlets, when they criticized Kanye for saying things of the same ilk. With all due respect, I think your view of it is wrong. You may wish to hold those criticisms (or not), but I’m fairly confident that the creators of the music and video did not.
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"This is America" - Childish Gambino, by Coach on May 20, 2018 1:30:25 GMT 1, Having spent some time with the 'This is America' video, I tend to view it as a pretty significant criticism of black America. I find it interesting that it is so celebrated by left-leaning media outlets, when they criticized Kanye for saying things of the same ilk. I think that's the brilliance of the video, I view it the same way as you do, but apparently leftists are able to see the complete opposite in it. If his idea was to spark up an honest debate about black America, the same way I think Kanye intended to do, he surely succeeded. Leftists go like: omg this vid is so cool because he clearly shows how black people are so much less privileged and omg he's saying guns are bad And I go like: omg this vid is so cool because he's showing how black people are so focussed on trivial SJW black lives matter racials**t (represented by his dancing in the video) that they completely seem to be oblivious for the stuff that's going on in their communities, in the background, that's actually fuckings**t up for them.
Ditto my response to Mose.
Having spent some time with the 'This is America' video, I tend to view it as a pretty significant criticism of black America. I find it interesting that it is so celebrated by left-leaning media outlets, when they criticized Kanye for saying things of the same ilk. I think that's the brilliance of the video, I view it the same way as you do, but apparently leftists are able to see the complete opposite in it. If his idea was to spark up an honest debate about black America, the same way I think Kanye intended to do, he surely succeeded. Leftists go like: omg this vid is so cool because he clearly shows how black people are so much less privileged and omg he's saying guns are bad And I go like: omg this vid is so cool because he's showing how black people are so focussed on trivial SJW black lives matter racials**t (represented by his dancing in the video) that they completely seem to be oblivious for the stuff that's going on in their communities, in the background, that's actually fuckings**t up for them. Ditto my response to Mose.
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