Iqra'a
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by Iqra'a on Jan 8, 2019 23:03:45 GMT 1, Hey guys,
I'm sorry for having to create a whole new thread for this, but I hadn't found any discussions about straight bad experiences working directly with artists. This will be a little long, so I apologize for that as well.
So this happened quite a while ago (September 2017) and am bringing this up now because I only just remembered it and felt the need to vent and warn potential collectors who like to scavenge for new artists on social media.
An Italy-based artist that I follow named Patrick Eduardo made a few small, affordable pieces available for sale in September 2017 and one of them caught my eye. I reached out directly via IG messages and we exchanged PayPal details. A week after, he claims to have mailed the piece. A few weeks go by and nothing arrives. When I ask for an update he said that the post office in Switzerland was holding it for a few weeks now and hasn't moved (according to tracking details that he wouldn't provide me). He then says that he'll wait another few weeks and if it doesn't move then he'll request for it to be sent back and resend it with another courier. At this point, I was quite annoyed for the delay but at the same time I was sure he was just as frustrated as I was and I've experienced international shipping being weird before.
So I wait a month and ask for another follow up. He comes back and says he requested it to be sent back. It then supposedly arrives a few days later back at his studio and claimed that it also now had a "Quarantine" sticker on it. We both thought it was weird but he said he would just get a new box and ship it again soon.
A month goes by, dead silence. Fast forward to May 2018, I follow up again and nothing (note, this is all happening while he is frequently updating his IG account and responding to comments. So clearly, I was just being ghosted). I've been emailing and private messaging him directly every month or so until I realized it was a lost cause (gave up on September 2018, the anniversary of this all). Sent a final email stating my disappointment and hoped he would have a change of heart. Nothing yet as of this post.
Couple of things to mention:
(1) I frequently (i mean very frequently) purchase directly from artists using social media and I make it a point to get pieces by amateur or new artists. I love supporting new talent when I can and almost always pay extra and as a "gift" on PayPal because I know how every dollar counts for new artists. The best part is seeing them develop their style and manage to grow their following and ultimately become more active in the art scene.
(2) This artist in particular was a calligraphy artist and for those who know me, I'm big on supporting calligraphy work. This guy was very early in his career in art and I was very much hoping that I would be able to help another new calligraphy artist enter the scene. But unfortunately, it seems I have simply financially supported an immoral individual that may steal from another collector in the future.
Now I've had too many good experiences before and after this incident to make me stray away from supporting new artists. Frankly, I dont think anything will. But it was definitely a little reality check for me.
For those curious, here is his IG account
I hope no one here experiences what I have and wish you all a great new year full of new art!
All the best,
Iqraa
Hey guys, I'm sorry for having to create a whole new thread for this, but I hadn't found any discussions about straight bad experiences working directly with artists. This will be a little long, so I apologize for that as well. So this happened quite a while ago (September 2017) and am bringing this up now because I only just remembered it and felt the need to vent and warn potential collectors who like to scavenge for new artists on social media. An Italy-based artist that I follow named Patrick Eduardo made a few small, affordable pieces available for sale in September 2017 and one of them caught my eye. I reached out directly via IG messages and we exchanged PayPal details. A week after, he claims to have mailed the piece. A few weeks go by and nothing arrives. When I ask for an update he said that the post office in Switzerland was holding it for a few weeks now and hasn't moved (according to tracking details that he wouldn't provide me). He then says that he'll wait another few weeks and if it doesn't move then he'll request for it to be sent back and resend it with another courier. At this point, I was quite annoyed for the delay but at the same time I was sure he was just as frustrated as I was and I've experienced international shipping being weird before. So I wait a month and ask for another follow up. He comes back and says he requested it to be sent back. It then supposedly arrives a few days later back at his studio and claimed that it also now had a "Quarantine" sticker on it. We both thought it was weird but he said he would just get a new box and ship it again soon. A month goes by, dead silence. Fast forward to May 2018, I follow up again and nothing (note, this is all happening while he is frequently updating his IG account and responding to comments. So clearly, I was just being ghosted). I've been emailing and private messaging him directly every month or so until I realized it was a lost cause (gave up on September 2018, the anniversary of this all). Sent a final email stating my disappointment and hoped he would have a change of heart. Nothing yet as of this post. Couple of things to mention: (1) I frequently (i mean very frequently) purchase directly from artists using social media and I make it a point to get pieces by amateur or new artists. I love supporting new talent when I can and almost always pay extra and as a "gift" on PayPal because I know how every dollar counts for new artists. The best part is seeing them develop their style and manage to grow their following and ultimately become more active in the art scene. (2) This artist in particular was a calligraphy artist and for those who know me, I'm big on supporting calligraphy work. This guy was very early in his career in art and I was very much hoping that I would be able to help another new calligraphy artist enter the scene. But unfortunately, it seems I have simply financially supported an immoral individual that may steal from another collector in the future. Now I've had too many good experiences before and after this incident to make me stray away from supporting new artists. Frankly, I dont think anything will. But it was definitely a little reality check for me. For those curious, here is his IG accountI hope no one here experiences what I have and wish you all a great new year full of new art! All the best, Iqraa |
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slevin
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by slevin on Jan 8, 2019 23:46:52 GMT 1, How incredibly sad an artist did this to someone who tried to support their work. Thanks for the heads up.
How incredibly sad an artist did this to someone who tried to support their work. Thanks for the heads up.
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rockbeer
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by rockbeer on Jan 9, 2019 1:57:11 GMT 1, Interesting work - highly resonant of what Cryptik is doing. Shame this Eduardo turned out to be a chancer.
How did you resist flaming his IG account? Iโd have thought a few well-chosen comments might have prompted a change of attitude.
Did he keep your money?
Interesting work - highly resonant of what Cryptik is doing. Shame this Eduardo turned out to be a chancer.
How did you resist flaming his IG account? Iโd have thought a few well-chosen comments might have prompted a change of attitude.
Did he keep your money?
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by GMA on Jan 9, 2019 7:42:30 GMT 1, That is a unfortunate situation, I'd definitely have mentioned it on his comments, especially if you were being ghosted. I'm sure he'd have responded then. What an asshole.
That is a unfortunate situation, I'd definitely have mentioned it on his comments, especially if you were being ghosted. I'm sure he'd have responded then. What an asshole.
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by Slang of Slang on Jan 9, 2019 11:51:16 GMT 1, You can claim the money form paypal in half year
I am same case as your too , gallery said post it to meใbut it lost too
And it said make a new print to me. And i feel sad ๏ผ it said hand finish and limited before๏ผ but it seem easy copy and make a new one again, make me dont want to get print anymore.
You can claim the money form paypal in half year
I am same case as your too , gallery said post it to meใbut it lost too
And it said make a new print to me. And i feel sad ๏ผ it said hand finish and limited before๏ผ but it seem easy copy and make a new one again, make me dont want to get print anymore.
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by blerd on Jan 9, 2019 11:53:51 GMT 1, You can claim the money form paypal in half year I am same case as your too , gallery said post it to meใbut it lost too And it said make a new print to me. And i feel sad ๏ผ it said hand finish and limited before๏ผ but it seem easy copy and make a new one again, make me dont want to get print anymore.
You can claim the money form paypal in half year I am same case as your too , gallery said post it to meใbut it lost too And it said make a new print to me. And i feel sad ๏ผ it said hand finish and limited before๏ผ but it seem easy copy and make a new one again, make me dont want to get print anymore. I don't think you can if you paid Paypal gift. Gutted to hear stories like this. I would have to have posted on his page "buyer beware". |
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smokie
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by smokie on Jan 9, 2019 12:13:06 GMT 1, Looks like he ripped off Pokras Lampas as well as your self
Looks like he ripped off Pokras Lampas as well as your self
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Dive Jedi
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by Dive Jedi on Jan 9, 2019 14:18:00 GMT 1, You can claim the money form paypal in half year I am same case as your too , gallery said post it to meใbut it lost too And it said make a new print to me. And i feel sad ๏ผ it said hand finish and limited before๏ผ but it seem easy copy and make a new one again, make me dont want to get print anymore. I don't think you can if you paid Paypal gift. Gutted to hear stories like this. I would have to have posted on his page "buyer beware".
If Iqra'a wants to make sure the artist receives the full payment it would be
advised to make a normal payment and add 4% for PayPal fees.
But I guess usually all goes well, so we forget it might go bad sometimesโฆ.
You can claim the money form paypal in half year I am same case as your too , gallery said post it to meใbut it lost too And it said make a new print to me. And i feel sad ๏ผ it said hand finish and limited before๏ผ but it seem easy copy and make a new one again, make me dont want to get print anymore. I don't think you can if you paid Paypal gift. Gutted to hear stories like this. I would have to have posted on his page "buyer beware". No, you can not claim your money back if you pay as a Friend. If Iqra'a wants to make sure the artist receives the full payment it would be advised to make a normal payment and add 4% for PayPal fees. But I guess usually all goes well, so we forget it might go bad sometimesโฆ. |
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by crashwilliams on Jan 9, 2019 14:28:03 GMT 1, Interesting work - highly resonant of what Cryptik is doing. Shame this Eduardo turned out to be a chancer. How did you resist flaming his IG account? Iโd have thought a few well-chosen comments might have prompted a change of attitude. Did he keep your money?
Not sure this works, as the IG acct holder I'm sure you can delete comments?
Interesting work - highly resonant of what Cryptik is doing. Shame this Eduardo turned out to be a chancer. How did you resist flaming his IG account? Iโd have thought a few well-chosen comments might have prompted a change of attitude. Did he keep your money? Not sure this works, as the IG acct holder I'm sure you can delete comments? |
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Iqra'a
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by Iqra'a on Jan 9, 2019 15:28:59 GMT 1, Interesting work - highly resonant of what Cryptik is doing. Shame this Eduardo turned out to be a chancer. How did you resist flaming his IG account? Iโd have thought a few well-chosen comments might have prompted a change of attitude. Did he keep your money?
Yeah, he kept the money alright. And if I recall correctly, he was displaying the piece I bought in group shows/exhibitions.
Interesting work - highly resonant of what Cryptik is doing. Shame this Eduardo turned out to be a chancer. How did you resist flaming his IG account? Iโd have thought a few well-chosen comments might have prompted a change of attitude. Did he keep your money? I was tempted, but I figured he would just delete them and block me. Yeah, he kept the money alright. And if I recall correctly, he was displaying the piece I bought in group shows/exhibitions. |
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Iqra'a
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by Iqra'a on Jan 9, 2019 15:33:08 GMT 1, Looks like he ripped off Pokras Lampas as well as your self
Looks like he ripped off Pokras Lampas as well as your self Yes - he definitely takes inspiration from popular artists. A lot of new calligraphy artists tend to mimic 3-4 main artists: Pokras, ElSeed, Retna, Cryptik (just off the top of my head). Which of course is fine to be "inspired" but at least credit your inspiration you know? Not many do that. |
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Iqra'a
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by Iqra'a on Jan 9, 2019 15:37:17 GMT 1, I don't think you can if you paid Paypal gift. Gutted to hear stories like this. I would have to have posted on his page "buyer beware". No, you can not claim your money back if you pay as a Friend. If Iqra'a wants to make sure the artist receives the full payment it would be advised to make a normal payment and add 4% for PayPal fees. But I guess usually all goes well, so we forget it might go bad sometimesโฆ.
I don't think you can if you paid Paypal gift. Gutted to hear stories like this. I would have to have posted on his page "buyer beware". No, you can not claim your money back if you pay as a Friend. If Iqra'a wants to make sure the artist receives the full payment it would be advised to make a normal payment and add 4% for PayPal fees. But I guess usually all goes well, so we forget it might go bad sometimesโฆ. I do that now.. pay the premium for the security. But in some cases, I've had international artists lose a bit down the line come tax season. So I try to be fair and pay the difference when taxes kick in as well. |
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 16:02:12 GMT 1, I always think it is incredibly sad when artist don't care about the very people who support them and buy their art, particularly with up and coming artists who do not have much of a fan base to start with.
This guy could have easily refunded your money with very little loss on his part. It seems some people just don't give a damn.
I always think it is incredibly sad when artist don't care about the very people who support them and buy their art, particularly with up and coming artists who do not have much of a fan base to start with.
This guy could have easily refunded your money with very little loss on his part. It seems some people just don't give a damn.
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by crashwilliams on Jan 9, 2019 16:10:31 GMT 1, I messaged the guy on IG, pointing this thread out - see whether he responds...
I messaged the guy on IG, pointing this thread out - see whether he responds...
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by crashwilliams on Jan 9, 2019 17:29:47 GMT 1, I've just had a message from him on my IG, apparently he's going to get in contact. I hope it works out...
I've just had a message from him on my IG, apparently he's going to get in contact. I hope it works out...
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d.r. perseus
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by d.r. perseus on Jan 9, 2019 17:42:54 GMT 1, I would be hard pressed to even want the item anymore, having a constant wall reminder of being mistreated is low on my list.
I would be hard pressed to even want the item anymore, having a constant wall reminder of being mistreated is low on my list.
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by crashwilliams on Jan 9, 2019 17:45:17 GMT 1, I would be hard pressed to even want the item anymore, having a constant wall reminder of being mistreated is low on my list.
Will be interesting to see how he responds though - this thread is pretty damning, I imagine he'll be pretty p1ssed.
I would be hard pressed to even want the item anymore, having a constant wall reminder of being mistreated is low on my list. Will be interesting to see how he responds though - this thread is pretty damning, I imagine he'll be pretty p1ssed. |
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by dotdot on Jan 9, 2019 18:28:11 GMT 1, yeah I've had the same of of cac going on with a fairly reputable artist for the past > 2 years.
for now.. i've given up.
couldn't care less if something shows up or not - the relationship is 'trashed'.
why do people do that ? well tis an oft used term , as with moped riders.. there's a lot of good ones..
it's the neds who ruin it for everyone else.
there will always be one or two .. who ruin it - and keep it edgy.. yeah right , F R O in my book.
btw : moped rider | cyclist | driver | ebay seller | artist , given mopeds are a touchy subject in londres.
yeah I've had the same of of cac going on with a fairly reputable artist for the past > 2 years.
for now.. i've given up.
couldn't care less if something shows up or not - the relationship is 'trashed'.
why do people do that ? well tis an oft used term , as with moped riders.. there's a lot of good ones..
it's the neds who ruin it for everyone else.
there will always be one or two .. who ruin it - and keep it edgy.. yeah right , F R O in my book.
btw : moped rider | cyclist | driver | ebay seller | artist , given mopeds are a touchy subject in londres.
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Iqra'a
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by Iqra'a on Jan 9, 2019 20:38:04 GMT 1, I would be hard pressed to even want the item anymore, having a constant wall reminder of being mistreated is low on my list. Will be interesting to see how he responds though - this thread is pretty damning, I imagine he'll be pretty p1ssed.
I would be hard pressed to even want the item anymore, having a constant wall reminder of being mistreated is low on my list. Will be interesting to see how he responds though - this thread is pretty damning, I imagine he'll be pretty p1ssed. Noticed that he deleted some of the comments you guys left. I'll let you guys know if/when he decides to finally address this. |
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by crashwilliams on Jan 9, 2019 20:50:10 GMT 1, Ha, just keep mentioning the Italian based artist Patrick Eduardo, others might stumble across this thread!
Ha, just keep mentioning the Italian based artist Patrick Eduardo, others might stumble across this thread!
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by crashwilliams on Jan 9, 2019 22:32:46 GMT 1, Just seen IG, good work  hopefully its all sorted.
Just seen IG, good work hopefully its all sorted. |
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by nobokov on Jan 9, 2019 22:52:13 GMT 1, Hopefully it'll get rectified ๐
Hopefully it'll get rectified ๐ |
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Iqra'a
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by Iqra'a on Jan 9, 2019 22:53:00 GMT 1, Cheers nobokov . That actually got his attention... finally, over a year later.
Cheers nobokov . That actually got his attention... finally, over a year later. |
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by Not 4 The Thril on Jan 9, 2019 23:38:29 GMT 1, i hope you get your piece out of quarantine
i hope you get your piece out of quarantine
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by Express Post on Jan 10, 2019 0:20:26 GMT 1, Hopefully he goes over and beyond.
Cheersย nobokov . That actually got his attention... finally, over a year later.ย
Hopefully he goes over and beyond. Cheersย nobokov . That actually got his attention... finally, over a year later.ย |
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Iqra'a
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by Iqra'a on Jan 10, 2019 0:26:22 GMT 1, Hopefully he goes over and beyond. Cheers nobokov . That actually got his attention... finally, over a year later.
Hopefully he goes over and beyond. Cheers nobokov . That actually got his attention... finally, over a year later. I really don't know what he can do at this point though. The more I think about it, I agree with d.r. perseus and think that I wouldn't want anything by the artist on my wall to constantly remind me of this. |
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by Express Post on Jan 10, 2019 0:31:07 GMT 1, Has he reached out with options yet?
Hopefully he goes over and beyond. I really don't know what he can do at this point though. The more I think about it, I agree withย d.r. perseus and think that I wouldn't want anything by the artist on my wall to constantly remind me of this.ย
Has he reached out with options yet? Hopefully he goes over and beyond. I really don't know what he can do at this point though. The more I think about it, I agree withย d.r. perseus and think that I wouldn't want anything by the artist on my wall to constantly remind me of this.ย |
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by slevin on Jan 10, 2019 1:08:14 GMT 1, Hopefully he goes over and beyond. I really don't know what he can do at this point though. The more I think about it, I agree with d.r. perseus and think that I wouldn't want anything by the artist on my wall to constantly remind me of this.
Go for a refund.
Hopefully he goes over and beyond. I really don't know what he can do at this point though. The more I think about it, I agree with d.r. perseus and think that I wouldn't want anything by the artist on my wall to constantly remind me of this. Go for a refund. |
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by Not 4 The Thril on Jan 10, 2019 1:33:47 GMT 1, if anything he should use his calligraphy skills to write you one hell of an apology card
if anything he should use his calligraphy skills to write you one hell of an apology card
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Bad Dealing with Artist, by Mirus Gallery on Jan 10, 2019 1:36:59 GMT 1, Looks like he ripped off Pokras Lampas as well as your self Yes - he definitely takes inspiration from popular artists. A lot of new calligraphy artists tend to mimic 3-4 main artists: Pokras, ElSeed, Retna, Cryptik (just off the top of my head). Which of course is fine to be "inspired" but at least credit your inspiration you know? Not many do that.
Looks like he ripped off Pokras Lampas as well as your self Yes - he definitely takes inspiration from popular artists. A lot of new calligraphy artists tend to mimic 3-4 main artists: Pokras, ElSeed, Retna, Cryptik (just off the top of my head). Which of course is fine to be "inspired" but at least credit your inspiration you know? Not many do that. I don't see the reference to these artists, but it is definitely influenced by Zepha. I would go for the refund as well, good luck. |
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hopefully its all sorted.
