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rebate
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Will a Long-Lost Caravaggio Sell for $170 Million?, by rebate on Jun 16, 2019 18:29:25 GMT 1, Jeez, call me a pessimist, but i predict a no sale.
Jeez, call me a pessimist, but i predict a no sale.
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irl1
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Will a Long-Lost Caravaggio Sell for $170 Million?, by irl1 on Jun 16, 2019 18:47:08 GMT 1, Jeez, call me a pessimist, but i predict a no sale.
Something not right about this but i hope i'm wrong
Jeez, call me a pessimist, but i predict a no sale. All this is just not adding up. Why leave it in a local auction house, attic find, robbers in the attic e.t.c Something not right about this but i hope i'm wrong |
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Will a Long-Lost Caravaggio Sell for $170 Million?, by Jalouse Rosemont on Jun 16, 2019 19:00:23 GMT 1, Jeez, call me a pessimist, but i predict a no sale. All this is just not adding up. Why leave it in a local auction house, attic find, robbers in the attic e.t.c Something not right about this but i hope i'm wrong
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Jeez, call me a pessimist, but i predict a no sale. All this is just not adding up. Why leave it in a local auction house, attic find, robbers in the attic e.t.c Something not right about this but i hope i'm wrong I agree with you both.... media.giphy.com/media/xiMUwBRn5RDLhzwO80/giphy.gif |
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rebate
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Will a Long-Lost Caravaggio Sell for $170 Million?, by rebate on Jun 16, 2019 20:31:20 GMT 1, Jeez, call me a pessimist, but i predict a no sale. All this is just not adding up. Why leave it in a local auction house, attic find, robbers in the attic e.t.c Something not right about this but i hope i'm wrong
Jeez, call me a pessimist, but i predict a no sale. All this is just not adding up. Why leave it in a local auction house, attic find, robbers in the attic e.t.c Something not right about this but i hope i'm wrong The robbers in the loft part is priceless i cant imagine why they would leave a god dammned massive painting behind, when they were probably looking to nick the pipes for scrap! Its that Picasso in Brighton again. Although this one seemingly has some experts backing it which is a bit weird. |
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irl1
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Will a Long-Lost Caravaggio Sell for $170 Million?, by irl1 on Jun 16, 2019 20:39:52 GMT 1, All this is just not adding up. Why leave it in a local auction house, attic find, robbers in the attic e.t.c Something not right about this but i hope i'm wrong The robbers in the loft part is priceless i cant imagine why they would leave a god dammned massive painting behind, when they were probably looking to nick the pipes for scrap! Its that Picasso in Brighton again. Although this one seemingly has some experts backing it which is a bit weird.
"Nobody noticed the nearly 6-foot-wide painting the water had leaked onto, which was propped up against a wall behind some old mattresses and box springs" 
All this is just not adding up. Why leave it in a local auction house, attic find, robbers in the attic e.t.c Something not right about this but i hope i'm wrong The robbers in the loft part is priceless i cant imagine why they would leave a god dammned massive painting behind, when they were probably looking to nick the pipes for scrap! Its that Picasso in Brighton again. Although this one seemingly has some experts backing it which is a bit weird. This is why they missed it........ "Nobody noticed the nearly 6-foot-wide painting the water had leaked onto, which was propped up against a wall behind some old mattresses and box springs" |
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Will a Long-Lost Caravaggio Sell for $170 Million?, by sleazus1slord on Jun 17, 2019 10:20:28 GMT 1, Great story, I hope they get the money but I'm just a romantic..
Great story, I hope they get the money but I'm just a romantic..
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moron
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Will a Long-Lost Caravaggio Sell for $170 Million?, by moron on Jun 23, 2019 21:09:56 GMT 1, Personally I would not trust Turquin or his expertise.
I cannot see how anyone would bid millions on this painting that the French government turned down to purchase without having independant experts analyse the pigment and canvas and also x ray the painting.
It looks too robey and heavy for a Caravagio painting and could be based on Caravagios painting and painted in a glammed up way by some student or later artist. The head of the guy being cut off just doesnt look right including the teeth and way it sits on the shoulders plus the han of the woman holding the sword is a bit lumpy too.
Not forgetting this.
"French expert for old master paintings Eric Turquin has learned from a Paris court that he had to guarantee the repayment of a painting sold in June 1994 that he had authentified as a work of Italian master Andrea Solario (Circa 1470-1520) and which in fact was a late 16th century copy, well-informed sources said on May 15th 1998.
The painting representing ยซJesus Christ with a reed ยป was sold 4,5 million FF (US $ 750, 000) by French auctioneer Jean-Jacques Mathias on June 27th 1994 to Swiss dealer Bruno Meissner.
It was listed in the catalogue by expert Eric Turquin, one of the best European specialists regarding old masters, as an authentic work by Solario.
Mr Meissner had the painting cleaned and then showed it to several specialists who told him that it was rather a late 16th century copy by an unknown Flemish artist.
The Swiss dealer brought the case before a Paris court which named two legal experts, Frenchman Edouard Bresset and Italian Pietro C. Marani who determined that the painting was a copy of an original which had been lost long ago.
They estimated its value at 500,000 FF (US $ 83,500) and Mr Meissner then started proceedings to cancel the sale, ask for damages and have his money back.
The Swiss dealer said he had been the victim of a fraud basing his claim on the opinion of David Alan Brown, a prominent specialist for Solario's works, who had stated before the Paris sale that this painting was listed as a copy in the Solario catalogue raisonnรฉ he had published. All the more, such work had been offered for sale but without success by Sotheby's on July 11th 1979 as a Solario with an estimate of US $ 50,000, according to Mr Meissner."
"Eric Turquin admitted before the court that Mr Brown had stated in a letter that he believed this painting was a copy. However, he added that the latter had come to Paris to examine the work and had finally admitted that it was a genuine work by Solario while Sylvie Beguin, curator at the Louvre, had given a similar opinion.
However neither Mr Brown nor Mrs Beguin confirmed in court that they had authetified the painting as by Solario"
www.artcult.com/_News+archives/Fiche/art-60-1009854.htm?Year=1998
Personally I would not trust Turquin or his expertise. I cannot see how anyone would bid millions on this painting that the French government turned down to purchase without having independant experts analyse the pigment and canvas and also x ray the painting. It looks too robey and heavy for a Caravagio painting and could be based on Caravagios painting and painted in a glammed up way by some student or later artist. The head of the guy being cut off just doesnt look right including the teeth and way it sits on the shoulders plus the han of the woman holding the sword is a bit lumpy too. Not forgetting this. "French expert for old master paintings Eric Turquin has learned from a Paris court that he had to guarantee the repayment of a painting sold in June 1994 that he had authentified as a work of Italian master Andrea Solario (Circa 1470-1520) and which in fact was a late 16th century copy, well-informed sources said on May 15th 1998.
The painting representing ยซJesus Christ with a reed ยป was sold 4,5 million FF (US $ 750, 000) by French auctioneer Jean-Jacques Mathias on June 27th 1994 to Swiss dealer Bruno Meissner.
It was listed in the catalogue by expert Eric Turquin, one of the best European specialists regarding old masters, as an authentic work by Solario.
Mr Meissner had the painting cleaned and then showed it to several specialists who told him that it was rather a late 16th century copy by an unknown Flemish artist.
The Swiss dealer brought the case before a Paris court which named two legal experts, Frenchman Edouard Bresset and Italian Pietro C. Marani who determined that the painting was a copy of an original which had been lost long ago.
They estimated its value at 500,000 FF (US $ 83,500) and Mr Meissner then started proceedings to cancel the sale, ask for damages and have his money back.
The Swiss dealer said he had been the victim of a fraud basing his claim on the opinion of David Alan Brown, a prominent specialist for Solario's works, who had stated before the Paris sale that this painting was listed as a copy in the Solario catalogue raisonnรฉ he had published. All the more, such work had been offered for sale but without success by Sotheby's on July 11th 1979 as a Solario with an estimate of US $ 50,000, according to Mr Meissner.""Eric Turquin admitted before the court that Mr Brown had stated in a letter that he believed this painting was a copy. However, he added that the latter had come to Paris to examine the work and had finally admitted that it was a genuine work by Solario while Sylvie Beguin, curator at the Louvre, had given a similar opinion.
However neither Mr Brown nor Mrs Beguin confirmed in court that they had authetified the painting as by Solario"www.artcult.com/_News+archives/Fiche/art-60-1009854.htm?Year=1998 |
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Will a Long-Lost Caravaggio Sell for $170 Million?, by Jalouse Rosemont on Jun 30, 2019 17:06:01 GMT 1, ...Probably sold to the mug who bought that excretable "Leonardo Da Vinci" Salvator Mundi.
...Probably sold to the mug who bought that excretable "Leonardo Da Vinci" Salvator Mundi. |
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Pattycakes
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Will a Long-Lost Caravaggio Sell for $170 Million?, by Pattycakes on Jun 30, 2019 17:17:00 GMT 1, ...Probably sold to the mug who bought that excretable "Leonardo Da Vinci" Salvator Mundi.
...Probably sold to the mug who bought that excretable "Leonardo Da Vinci" Salvator Mundi. It has supposedly gone to the Met in New York, |
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chevyav53
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Will a Long-Lost Caravaggio Sell for $170 Million?, by chevyav53 on Jun 30, 2019 17:23:09 GMT 1, My favorite part.....
โAnother factor is that until the middle of the 20th century, nobody cared about Caravaggio. The art historian Roberto Longhi was instrumental in tracking down and championing his work, chronicling its enormous influence on the artists known as Caravaggisti, and turning him into an Old Master brand on the same level as Rubens or Rembrandt.โ
Always reminds me of how easily fooled we can be.....
My favorite part.....
โAnother factor is that until the middle of the 20th century, nobody cared about Caravaggio. The art historian Roberto Longhi was instrumental in tracking down and championing his work, chronicling its enormous influence on the artists known as Caravaggisti, and turning him into an Old Master brand on the same level as Rubens or Rembrandt.โ
Always reminds me of how easily fooled we can be.....
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irl1
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moron
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Will a Long-Lost Caravaggio Sell for $170 Million?, by moron on Sept 24, 2019 20:12:35 GMT 1, "The unsigned tempera on poplar panel was discovered in June by the auctioneer Philomรจne Wolf during a house clearance in the nearby town Compiegne. โIt was considered special by the family, but they thought it was an icon,โ Wolf says. โI am so lucky. I am at the beginning of my career, and you can wait an entire lifetime before making such a discovery.โ
Subsequent research by the Paris-based old master expert Eric Turquin, who will be selling the work in collaboration with Actรฉon,has hailed the painting as โthe only small-scale work of devotion that has been recently added to the catalogue of authentic works by Cimabue.โ"
www.theartnewspaper.com/news/this-could-be-the-first-cimabue-painting-to-be-sold-at-auction
"Eric Turquin, who will be selling the work in collaboration with Actรฉon" So I wonder if the owner refused for Turquin to sell the work whether Turquin would have refused to say the painting is authentic. I wonder what terms Turquin offered the old lady owner. How much percent does she get from this sale?
"The unsigned tempera on poplar panel was discovered in June by the auctioneer Philomรจne Wolf during a house clearance in the nearby town Compiegne. โIt was considered special by the family, but they thought it was an icon,โ Wolf says. โI am so lucky. I am at the beginning of my career, and you can wait an entire lifetime before making such a discovery.โ
Subsequent research by the Paris-based old master expert Eric Turquin, who will be selling the work in collaboration with Actรฉon,has hailed the painting as โthe only small-scale work of devotion that has been recently added to the catalogue of authentic works by Cimabue.โ"
www.theartnewspaper.com/news/this-could-be-the-first-cimabue-painting-to-be-sold-at-auction
"Eric Turquin, who will be selling the work in collaboration with Actรฉon" So I wonder if the owner refused for Turquin to sell the work whether Turquin would have refused to say the painting is authentic. I wonder what terms Turquin offered the old lady owner. How much percent does she get from this sale?
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