Nordicstar
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Slave Labour For Sale, by Nordicstar on Nov 19, 2020 22:21:11 GMT 1, what is this fuckery
what is this fuckery
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Graham H
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Slave Labour For Sale, by Graham H on Nov 19, 2020 22:51:39 GMT 1, This place really does crack me up in these crappy times we are in..
Classic thread to add to the Laugh Now canvas one and the Pejac New Print one.. its the forum that just keeps giving
Bravo!
This place really does crack me up in these crappy times we are in..
Classic thread to add to the Laugh Now canvas one and the Pejac New Print one.. its the forum that just keeps giving
Bravo!
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Rude Copper
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Slave Labour For Sale, by Rude Copper on Nov 19, 2020 23:36:42 GMT 1, Laura keeble did an excellent piece years ago When Damien hurst did an exhibition in Covent Garden showing his diamond & platinum skull, the show ended & Laura did a mock up of the skull being thrown out with bin bags & exhibition props, it was brilliant, so brilliant that hirst reputedly bought it off of her. So sheโs done it again, a very concise statement against Poundlands actions delivered via art, & because it involves replicating a piece of banksys work you guys have written her off as a plagiarist opportunist , Very poor
Laura keeble did an excellent piece years ago When Damien hurst did an exhibition in Covent Garden showing his diamond & platinum skull, the show ended & Laura did a mock up of the skull being thrown out with bin bags & exhibition props, it was brilliant, so brilliant that hirst reputedly bought it off of her. So sheโs done it again, a very concise statement against Poundlands actions delivered via art, & because it involves replicating a piece of banksys work you guys have written her off as a plagiarist opportunist , Very poor
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Rubberneck
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Slave Labour For Sale, by Rubberneck on Nov 19, 2020 23:40:13 GMT 1, Laura keeble did an excellent piece years ago When Damien hurst did an exhibition in Covent Garden showing his diamond & platinum skull, the show ended & Laura did a mock up of the skull being thrown out with bin bags & exhibition props, it was brilliant, so brilliant that hirst reputedly bought it off of her. So sheโs done it again, a very concise statement against Poundlands actions delivered via art, & because it involves replicating a piece of banksys work you guys have written her off as a plagiarist opportunist , Very poor
Laura keeble did an excellent piece years ago When Damien hurst did an exhibition in Covent Garden showing his diamond & platinum skull, the show ended & Laura did a mock up of the skull being thrown out with bin bags & exhibition props, it was brilliant, so brilliant that hirst reputedly bought it off of her. So sheโs done it again, a very concise statement against Poundlands actions delivered via art, & because it involves replicating a piece of banksys work you guys have written her off as a plagiarist opportunist , Very poor
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Slave Labour For Sale, by Peter Bengtsen on Nov 19, 2020 23:51:55 GMT 1, Laura keeble did an excellent piece years ago When Damien hurst did an exhibition in Covent Garden showing his diamond & platinum skull, the show ended & Laura did a mock up of the skull being thrown out with bin bags & exhibition props, it was brilliant, so brilliant that hirst reputedly bought it off of her. So sheโs done it again, a very concise statement against Poundlands actions delivered via art, & because it involves replicating a piece of banksys work you guys have written her off as a plagiarist opportunist , Very poor
Where in this thread has anyone "written her off as a plagiarist opportunist"?
Laura keeble did an excellent piece years ago When Damien hurst did an exhibition in Covent Garden showing his diamond & platinum skull, the show ended & Laura did a mock up of the skull being thrown out with bin bags & exhibition props, it was brilliant, so brilliant that hirst reputedly bought it off of her. So sheโs done it again, a very concise statement against Poundlands actions delivered via art, & because it involves replicating a piece of banksys work you guys have written her off as a plagiarist opportunist , Very poor Where in this thread has anyone "written her off as a plagiarist opportunist"?
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Rude Copper
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Slave Labour For Sale, by Rude Copper on Nov 20, 2020 14:25:02 GMT 1, Laura keeble did an excellent piece years ago When Damien hurst did an exhibition in Covent Garden showing his diamond & platinum skull, the show ended & Laura did a mock up of the skull being thrown out with bin bags & exhibition props, it was brilliant, so brilliant that hirst reputedly bought it off of her. So sheโs done it again, a very concise statement against Poundlands actions delivered via art, & because it involves replicating a piece of banksys work you guys have written her off as a plagiarist opportunist , Very poor Where in this thread has anyone "written her off as a plagiarist opportunist"?
Read the thread from the start, comparing to mrs banksy etc
Laura keeble did an excellent piece years ago When Damien hurst did an exhibition in Covent Garden showing his diamond & platinum skull, the show ended & Laura did a mock up of the skull being thrown out with bin bags & exhibition props, it was brilliant, so brilliant that hirst reputedly bought it off of her. So sheโs done it again, a very concise statement against Poundlands actions delivered via art, & because it involves replicating a piece of banksys work you guys have written her off as a plagiarist opportunist , Very poor Where in this thread has anyone "written her off as a plagiarist opportunist"?
Read the thread from the start, comparing to mrs banksy etc
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kc143
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Slave Labour For Sale, by kc143 on Nov 20, 2020 14:34:03 GMT 1, Was this found inside a book from a charity shop or did you buy it at a car boot sale? LOL thanks
Was this found inside a book from a charity shop or did you buy it at a car boot sale? LOL thanks
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Slave Labour For Sale, by Peter Bengtsen on Nov 20, 2020 18:38:41 GMT 1, Where in this thread has anyone "written her off as a plagiarist opportunist"?
Read the thread from the start, comparing to mrs banksy etc
I did read the thread from the start before making my previous posts.
It seems to me the comments you refer to were not related to Keeble as an artist. Rather, they were directed at the OP and the particular piece offered for sale.
Given that some people seem to have presumed the piece was made by the OP as an attempt at scamming potential buyers who might mistake it for a Banksy, I am not surprised by the comparison to the work of Mrs. Banksy and similar opportunistic chancers.
Further, even knowing that this piece was created by Keeble, I think the critical comments about the piece are to some extent warranted.
To be clear, I found Keeble's intervention as a whole quite clever and well executed. However, for me, once removed from their original context, the individual paintings do not necessarily hold up as works of art. The timing and placement of the intervention are what made it - and its different components - work.
Lacking this specific context, the individual paintings come across as little more than mementos of the intervention (if the viewer is familiar with it) or attempts at copying Banksy's original street painting (if the viewer is not familiar with Keeble's work). [Of course, a third alternative exists: that people may actually believe these paintings are by Banksy, which is what a scammer would hope for].
Simply taking the position that the piece for sale here does not by itself hold up as a work of art does not diminish Keeble's original intervention. It rather highlights its site-specific nature.
Where in this thread has anyone "written her off as a plagiarist opportunist"?
Read the thread from the start, comparing to mrs banksy etc I did read the thread from the start before making my previous posts.
It seems to me the comments you refer to were not related to Keeble as an artist. Rather, they were directed at the OP and the particular piece offered for sale.
Given that some people seem to have presumed the piece was made by the OP as an attempt at scamming potential buyers who might mistake it for a Banksy, I am not surprised by the comparison to the work of Mrs. Banksy and similar opportunistic chancers.
Further, even knowing that this piece was created by Keeble, I think the critical comments about the piece are to some extent warranted.
To be clear, I found Keeble's intervention as a whole quite clever and well executed. However, for me, once removed from their original context, the individual paintings do not necessarily hold up as works of art. The timing and placement of the intervention are what made it - and its different components - work.
Lacking this specific context, the individual paintings come across as little more than mementos of the intervention (if the viewer is familiar with it) or attempts at copying Banksy's original street painting (if the viewer is not familiar with Keeble's work). [Of course, a third alternative exists: that people may actually believe these paintings are by Banksy, which is what a scammer would hope for].
Simply taking the position that the piece for sale here does not by itself hold up as a work of art does not diminish Keeble's original intervention. It rather highlights its site-specific nature.
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Slave Labour For Sale, by Jonny Wednesday on Nov 20, 2020 20:36:24 GMT 1, So worth what? The square root of f*ck all?
Funny!
So worth what? The square root of f*ck all?
Funny!
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Rude Copper
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Slave Labour For Sale, by Rude Copper on Nov 21, 2020 13:56:40 GMT 1, Read the thread from the start, comparing to mrs banksy etc I did read the thread from the start before making my previous posts.
It seems to me the comments you refer to were not related to Keeble as an artist. Rather, they were directed at the OP and the particular piece offered for sale.
Given that some people seem to have presumed the piece was made by the OP as an attempt at scamming potential buyers who might mistake it for a Banksy, I am not surprised by the comparison to the work of Mrs. Banksy and similar opportunistic chancers.
Further, even knowing that this piece was created by Keeble, I think the critical comments about the piece are to some extent warranted.
To be clear, I found Keeble's intervention as a whole quite clever and well executed. However, for me, once removed from their original context, the individual paintings do not necessarily hold up as works of art. The timing and placement of the intervention are what made it - and its different components - work.
Lacking this specific context, the individual paintings come across as little more than mementos of the intervention (if the viewer is familiar with it) or attempts at copying Banksy's original street painting (if the viewer is not familiar with Keeble's work). [Of course, a third alternative exists: that people may actually believe these paintings are by Banksy, which is what a scammer would hope for].
Simply taking the position that the piece for sale here does not by itself hold up as a work of art does not diminish Keeble's original intervention. It rather highlights its site-specific nature.
I think if you read the original post again, you will see that it refers to it as one of 6 that were placed 36 hours before the auction was due for the removed original piece, therefore it is not trying to be passed off as the original, I suppose that the point of my comment is it is all to easy to take a lazy swipe at things without trying to understand the history of the piece, this is a very sharp piece of art, directed at Poundlandโs profiteering, a statement that could quite easily have been made by banksy himself, I do agree though that buying one component of the whole installation means the work loses its teeth, itโs not for me, however, thatโs for an individual to decide, I would illustrate this by saying if this was a Bonafide banksy piece, the bidding would be in the 100s of 1000โs, & your point about the context is correct, but again, if you know the history of the piece, it alters the perception, if somebody offered banksys Guantanamo bay prisoner for sale would your points still hold water?
Read the thread from the start, comparing to mrs banksy etc I did read the thread from the start before making my previous posts.
It seems to me the comments you refer to were not related to Keeble as an artist. Rather, they were directed at the OP and the particular piece offered for sale.
Given that some people seem to have presumed the piece was made by the OP as an attempt at scamming potential buyers who might mistake it for a Banksy, I am not surprised by the comparison to the work of Mrs. Banksy and similar opportunistic chancers.
Further, even knowing that this piece was created by Keeble, I think the critical comments about the piece are to some extent warranted.
To be clear, I found Keeble's intervention as a whole quite clever and well executed. However, for me, once removed from their original context, the individual paintings do not necessarily hold up as works of art. The timing and placement of the intervention are what made it - and its different components - work.
Lacking this specific context, the individual paintings come across as little more than mementos of the intervention (if the viewer is familiar with it) or attempts at copying Banksy's original street painting (if the viewer is not familiar with Keeble's work). [Of course, a third alternative exists: that people may actually believe these paintings are by Banksy, which is what a scammer would hope for].
Simply taking the position that the piece for sale here does not by itself hold up as a work of art does not diminish Keeble's original intervention. It rather highlights its site-specific nature.
I think if you read the original post again, you will see that it refers to it as one of 6 that were placed 36 hours before the auction was due for the removed original piece, therefore it is not trying to be passed off as the original, I suppose that the point of my comment is it is all to easy to take a lazy swipe at things without trying to understand the history of the piece, this is a very sharp piece of art, directed at Poundlandโs profiteering, a statement that could quite easily have been made by banksy himself, I do agree though that buying one component of the whole installation means the work loses its teeth, itโs not for me, however, thatโs for an individual to decide, I would illustrate this by saying if this was a Bonafide banksy piece, the bidding would be in the 100s of 1000โs, & your point about the context is correct, but again, if you know the history of the piece, it alters the perception, if somebody offered banksys Guantanamo bay prisoner for sale would your points still hold water?
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Winter
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Slave Labour For Sale, by Winter on Nov 21, 2020 14:18:57 GMT 1, Disagree, he's used reference of the BBC and the Sun as being 'reportedly' made by Banksy instead of mentioning Laura Keeble. Also mentions trying to get a pest control certificate. Original post should say it's by Laura Keeble.
Disagree, he's used reference of the BBC and the Sun as being 'reportedly' made by Banksy instead of mentioning Laura Keeble. Also mentions trying to get a pest control certificate. Original post should say it's by Laura Keeble.
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Rude Copper
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Slave Labour For Sale, by Rude Copper on Nov 21, 2020 15:02:28 GMT 1, Fair enough, maybe he believed that, does the sun article infer that it might have been banksy?
Fair enough, maybe he believed that, does the sun article infer that it might have been banksy?
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Slave Labour For Sale, by Peter Bengtsen on Nov 22, 2020 12:19:43 GMT 1, I did read the thread from the start before making my previous posts.
It seems to me the comments you refer to were not related to Keeble as an artist. Rather, they were directed at the OP and the particular piece offered for sale.
Given that some people seem to have presumed the piece was made by the OP as an attempt at scamming potential buyers who might mistake it for a Banksy, I am not surprised by the comparison to the work of Mrs. Banksy and similar opportunistic chancers.
Further, even knowing that this piece was created by Keeble, I think the critical comments about the piece are to some extent warranted.
To be clear, I found Keeble's intervention as a whole quite clever and well executed. However, for me, once removed from their original context, the individual paintings do not necessarily hold up as works of art. The timing and placement of the intervention are what made it - and its different components - work.
Lacking this specific context, the individual paintings come across as little more than mementos of the intervention (if the viewer is familiar with it) or attempts at copying Banksy's original street painting (if the viewer is not familiar with Keeble's work). [Of course, a third alternative exists: that people may actually believe these paintings are by Banksy, which is what a scammer would hope for].
Simply taking the position that the piece for sale here does not by itself hold up as a work of art does not diminish Keeble's original intervention. It rather highlights its site-specific nature.
I think if you read the original post again, you will see that it refers to it as one of 6 that were placed 36 hours before the auction was due for the removed original piece, therefore it is not trying to be passed off as the original, I suppose that the point of my comment is it is all to easy to take a lazy swipe at things without trying to understand the history of the piece, this is a very sharp piece of art, directed at Poundlandโs profiteering, a statement that could quite easily have been made by banksy himself, I do agree though that buying one component of the whole installation means the work loses its teeth, itโs not for me, however, thatโs for an individual to decide, I would illustrate this by saying if this was a Bonafide banksy piece, the bidding would be in the 100s of 1000โs, & your point about the context is correct, but again, if you know the history of the piece, it alters the perception, if somebody offered banksys Guantanamo bay prisoner for sale would your points still hold water?
Disagree, he's used reference of the BBC and the Sun as being 'reportedly' made by Banksy instead of mentioning Laura Keeble. Also mentions trying to get a pest control certificate. Original post should say it's by Laura Keeble.
Fair enough, maybe he believed that, does the sun article infer that it might have been banksy?
I agree with Winter's reading above of the OP's post. I don't think the post suggests that this is the original stencil painting that was cut out of the wall, but rather one of a number of subsequent replica paintings ostensibly by B anksy. Whether the suggestion that B anksy made these is a deliberate misrepresentation of the facts or the result of a lack of knowledge is unclear. I agree with you that the tendency to immediately pass judgement on works one is not familiar with (whether by dismissing them as inauthentic or endorsing them as authentic) is unfortunate. Dialogue on the forum about posted works certainly has the potential to be helpful, but less so when opinions are presented as facts. As for the question about the potential value and status as art of objects extracted from larger installations or interventions, I agree that this is a matter of perspective. For me, a key point is whether or not the artist (or the artist's representative) recognises the extracted object as an artwork in its own right in its current form. This is also why I stated in relation to Keeble's work that "the individual paintings do not necessarily hold up as works of art". I wrote "necessarily" because there could be circumstances under which the paintings do hold up as works of art. For example, if the removal and subsequent attempted sale of the paintings were intended by Keeble, the individual paintings would conceptually still be part of an ongoing artistic intervention. It is not clear that this is Keeble's position, though.
I did read the thread from the start before making my previous posts.
It seems to me the comments you refer to were not related to Keeble as an artist. Rather, they were directed at the OP and the particular piece offered for sale.
Given that some people seem to have presumed the piece was made by the OP as an attempt at scamming potential buyers who might mistake it for a Banksy, I am not surprised by the comparison to the work of Mrs. Banksy and similar opportunistic chancers.
Further, even knowing that this piece was created by Keeble, I think the critical comments about the piece are to some extent warranted.
To be clear, I found Keeble's intervention as a whole quite clever and well executed. However, for me, once removed from their original context, the individual paintings do not necessarily hold up as works of art. The timing and placement of the intervention are what made it - and its different components - work.
Lacking this specific context, the individual paintings come across as little more than mementos of the intervention (if the viewer is familiar with it) or attempts at copying Banksy's original street painting (if the viewer is not familiar with Keeble's work). [Of course, a third alternative exists: that people may actually believe these paintings are by Banksy, which is what a scammer would hope for].
Simply taking the position that the piece for sale here does not by itself hold up as a work of art does not diminish Keeble's original intervention. It rather highlights its site-specific nature.
I think if you read the original post again, you will see that it refers to it as one of 6 that were placed 36 hours before the auction was due for the removed original piece, therefore it is not trying to be passed off as the original, I suppose that the point of my comment is it is all to easy to take a lazy swipe at things without trying to understand the history of the piece, this is a very sharp piece of art, directed at Poundlandโs profiteering, a statement that could quite easily have been made by banksy himself, I do agree though that buying one component of the whole installation means the work loses its teeth, itโs not for me, however, thatโs for an individual to decide, I would illustrate this by saying if this was a Bonafide banksy piece, the bidding would be in the 100s of 1000โs, & your point about the context is correct, but again, if you know the history of the piece, it alters the perception, if somebody offered banksys Guantanamo bay prisoner for sale would your points still hold water? Disagree, he's used reference of the BBC and the Sun as being 'reportedly' made by Banksy instead of mentioning Laura Keeble. Also mentions trying to get a pest control certificate. Original post should say it's by Laura Keeble. Fair enough, maybe he believed that, does the sun article infer that it might have been banksy? I agree with Winter's reading above of the OP's post. I don't think the post suggests that this is the original stencil painting that was cut out of the wall, but rather one of a number of subsequent replica paintings ostensibly by B anksy. Whether the suggestion that B anksy made these is a deliberate misrepresentation of the facts or the result of a lack of knowledge is unclear. I agree with you that the tendency to immediately pass judgement on works one is not familiar with (whether by dismissing them as inauthentic or endorsing them as authentic) is unfortunate. Dialogue on the forum about posted works certainly has the potential to be helpful, but less so when opinions are presented as facts. As for the question about the potential value and status as art of objects extracted from larger installations or interventions, I agree that this is a matter of perspective. For me, a key point is whether or not the artist (or the artist's representative) recognises the extracted object as an artwork in its own right in its current form. This is also why I stated in relation to Keeble's work that "the individual paintings do not necessarily hold up as works of art". I wrote "necessarily" because there could be circumstances under which the paintings do hold up as works of art. For example, if the removal and subsequent attempted sale of the paintings were intended by Keeble, the individual paintings would conceptually still be part of an ongoing artistic intervention. It is not clear that this is Keeble's position, though.
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Slave Labour For Sale, by Peter Bengtsen on Dec 5, 2020 10:09:50 GMT 1,
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Slave Labour For Sale, by Peter Bengtsen on Dec 5, 2020 10:10:44 GMT 1,
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