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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by onemandown72 on Apr 23, 2008 14:08:12 GMT 1, Funny how there is now a whole generation who have no memories of the last long term tory government, and the belief that if the tories got in they would wave some magic wand and all would be right in the world. It is only now that we are really beginning to see the results of the 80's and the constant erosion of society, and the promotion of the individual over all else. As a Londoner, who now has moved away I cannot believe that Boris is considered a viable alternative to Ken. What does he really stand for? He is muzzled by Tory central office for fear of making a further media gaffe. Whilst I do feel Livingstone has overstepped the mark on many occassions it is madness to vote in someone else purely on the fact that Ken is bad. Any replacement should be on the basis of their policies, which they should be able to vocalise and debate in public.
Funny how there is now a whole generation who have no memories of the last long term tory government, and the belief that if the tories got in they would wave some magic wand and all would be right in the world. It is only now that we are really beginning to see the results of the 80's and the constant erosion of society, and the promotion of the individual over all else. As a Londoner, who now has moved away I cannot believe that Boris is considered a viable alternative to Ken. What does he really stand for? He is muzzled by Tory central office for fear of making a further media gaffe. Whilst I do feel Livingstone has overstepped the mark on many occassions it is madness to vote in someone else purely on the fact that Ken is bad. Any replacement should be on the basis of their policies, which they should be able to vocalise and debate in public.
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by Simon on Apr 23, 2008 14:08:52 GMT 1, If ever there was a true Mr. Bean politician then Boris Johnson would be it.
If ever there was a true Mr. Bean politician then Boris Johnson would be it.
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by fuzzed on Apr 23, 2008 14:10:48 GMT 1, You really think that the congestion charge is a bad idea? Can't believe how many people on here claim to back boris, shocking. does anyone here seriously think that the congestion charge was anything other than a tax?
Of course it's a tax, what else would it be? It's the priciple behind it that I'm all for.
You really think that the congestion charge is a bad idea? Can't believe how many people on here claim to back boris, shocking. does anyone here seriously think that the congestion charge was anything other than a tax? Of course it's a tax, what else would it be? It's the priciple behind it that I'm all for.
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by Prescription Art on Apr 23, 2008 14:14:15 GMT 1, I simply can't believe how many tories there are on this board.
I simply can't believe how many tories there are on this board.
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by onemandown72 on Apr 23, 2008 14:18:42 GMT 1, what we DO need is a tory government... i am very f**ked off about the 10p tax band removal, im on placement in london next year and its going to cost me a good few grand. plus kens s**tty congestion charge, the s**t rules on london students oyster cards, the stupidness that on paying back a student loan the government keep all out repayments in a nice big back account that we pay in monthy and then they pay it to the studentsloans company at the end of the year having earned a good packet of interest. .
Don't come to London, request your placement elsewhere that will save you money And as for the student loan scenario this was something put into place by the tories and I would imagine that you don't have intimate details of how the system works. Who covers all the students who fail/avoid to re-pay their loans? Should this be the taxpayer?
what we DO need is a tory government... i am very f**ked off about the 10p tax band removal, im on placement in london next year and its going to cost me a good few grand. plus kens s**tty congestion charge, the s**t rules on london students oyster cards, the stupidness that on paying back a student loan the government keep all out repayments in a nice big back account that we pay in monthy and then they pay it to the studentsloans company at the end of the year having earned a good packet of interest. . Don't come to London, request your placement elsewhere that will save you money And as for the student loan scenario this was something put into place by the tories and I would imagine that you don't have intimate details of how the system works. Who covers all the students who fail/avoid to re-pay their loans? Should this be the taxpayer?
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by insite on Apr 23, 2008 14:22:24 GMT 1, Funny how there is now a whole generation who have no memories of the last long term tory government, and the belief that if the tories got in they would wave some magic wand and all would be right in the world. It is only now that we are really beginning to see the results of the 80's and the constant erosion of society, and the promotion of the individual over all else. As a Londoner, who now has moved away I cannot believe that Boris is considered a viable alternative to Ken. What does he really stand for? He is muzzled by Tory central office for fear of making a further media gaffe. Whilst I do feel Livingstone has overstepped the mark on many occassions it is madness to vote in someone else purely on the fact that Ken is bad. Any replacement should be on the basis of their policies, which they should be able to vocalise and debate in public.
Quite right, few things off the top of my head.
1 in 10 unemployment 15% (think that's right) inflation negative equity causing 1000's of repossessions The Criminal (in)justice act
Funny how there is now a whole generation who have no memories of the last long term tory government, and the belief that if the tories got in they would wave some magic wand and all would be right in the world. It is only now that we are really beginning to see the results of the 80's and the constant erosion of society, and the promotion of the individual over all else. As a Londoner, who now has moved away I cannot believe that Boris is considered a viable alternative to Ken. What does he really stand for? He is muzzled by Tory central office for fear of making a further media gaffe. Whilst I do feel Livingstone has overstepped the mark on many occassions it is madness to vote in someone else purely on the fact that Ken is bad. Any replacement should be on the basis of their policies, which they should be able to vocalise and debate in public. Quite right, few things off the top of my head. 1 in 10 unemployment 15% (think that's right) inflation negative equity causing 1000's of repossessions The Criminal (in)justice act
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by They call me Stephen on Apr 23, 2008 14:24:52 GMT 1, Plus london has to somehow fund the 2012 olympics so any vote for boris because of 'unfair' taxes is sorely deluded. Whatever government is in charge will introduce a whole range of new taxes and money pinching methods to milk the working person in london for as much as they can.
Plus london has to somehow fund the 2012 olympics so any vote for boris because of 'unfair' taxes is sorely deluded. Whatever government is in charge will introduce a whole range of new taxes and money pinching methods to milk the working person in london for as much as they can.
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by Rude Copper on Apr 23, 2008 14:25:10 GMT 1, I simply can't believe how many tories there are on this board.
i simply cant believe how many people can't see the woods thro the tree's on this board
I simply can't believe how many tories there are on this board. i simply cant believe how many people can't see the woods thro the tree's on this board
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by Rude Copper on Apr 23, 2008 14:29:31 GMT 1, Who covers all the students who fail/avoid to re-pay their loans? Should this be the taxpayer? if we can prop up the banks with taxpayers money, why not the students?
Who covers all the students who fail/avoid to re-pay their loans? Should this be the taxpayer? if we can prop up the banks with taxpayers money, why not the students?
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by Rude Copper on Apr 23, 2008 14:32:09 GMT 1, Plus london has to somehow fund the 2012 olympics so any vote for boris because of 'unfair' taxes is sorely deluded. Whatever government is in charge will introduce a whole range of new taxes and money pinching methods to milk the working person in london for as much as they can.
we are going to have to fund the olympics because the estimate of ยฃ2.8b is short by...............ยฃ5-6b!!!!!!!!!!
boris's fault?
Plus london has to somehow fund the 2012 olympics so any vote for boris because of 'unfair' taxes is sorely deluded. Whatever government is in charge will introduce a whole range of new taxes and money pinching methods to milk the working person in london for as much as they can. we are going to have to fund the olympics because the estimate of ยฃ2.8b is short by...............ยฃ5-6b!!!!!!!!!! boris's fault?
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by Rude Copper on Apr 23, 2008 14:37:12 GMT 1, btw, i would'nt class myself as a tory, i'm just sick of labours deciept & ineptitude over the last decade, i'd rather vote someone else in than suffer more of the same,
btw, i would'nt class myself as a tory, i'm just sick of labours deciept & ineptitude over the last decade, i'd rather vote someone else in than suffer more of the same,
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by richy00 on Apr 23, 2008 14:40:39 GMT 1, what we DO need is a tory government... i am very f**ked off about the 10p tax band removal, im on placement in london next year and its going to cost me a good few grand. plus kens s**tty congestion charge, the s**t rules on london students oyster cards, the stupidness that on paying back a student loan the government keep all out repayments in a nice big back account that we pay in monthy and then they pay it to the studentsloans company at the end of the year having earned a good packet of interest. . Don't come to London, request your placement elsewhere that will save you money And as for the student loan scenario this was something put into place by the tories and I would imagine that you don't have intimate details of how the system works. Who covers all the students who fail/avoid to re-pay their loans? Should this be the taxpayer?
the repament system was introduced by labour, as it stands the taxpayer does cover for unpaid loans i suppose. i dont agree with the loans system as it stands anyway, i think it should all be scrapped and you pay it yourself. i used to live in the middle east and much prefere the system there, no tax.. you get what you pay for.
what we DO need is a tory government... i am very f**ked off about the 10p tax band removal, im on placement in london next year and its going to cost me a good few grand. plus kens s**tty congestion charge, the s**t rules on london students oyster cards, the stupidness that on paying back a student loan the government keep all out repayments in a nice big back account that we pay in monthy and then they pay it to the studentsloans company at the end of the year having earned a good packet of interest. . Don't come to London, request your placement elsewhere that will save you money And as for the student loan scenario this was something put into place by the tories and I would imagine that you don't have intimate details of how the system works. Who covers all the students who fail/avoid to re-pay their loans? Should this be the taxpayer? the repament system was introduced by labour, as it stands the taxpayer does cover for unpaid loans i suppose. i dont agree with the loans system as it stands anyway, i think it should all be scrapped and you pay it yourself. i used to live in the middle east and much prefere the system there, no tax.. you get what you pay for.
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by richy00 on Apr 23, 2008 14:42:32 GMT 1, everying underestimates boris i think, he is immensely clever, and doesnt have anything to hide, he is open about everything rather than red ken who is a sneeky bastard. boris with the right team behind him i think would be a very welcome change for london
everying underestimates boris i think, he is immensely clever, and doesnt have anything to hide, he is open about everything rather than red ken who is a sneeky bastard. boris with the right team behind him i think would be a very welcome change for london
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by manchestermike on Apr 23, 2008 14:43:20 GMT 1, btw, i would'nt class myself as a tory, i'm just sick of labours deciept & ineptitude over the last decade, i'd rather vote someone else in than suffer more of the same,
btw, i would'nt class myself as a tory, i'm just sick of labours deciept & ineptitude over the last decade, i'd rather vote someone else in than suffer more of the same,
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by Daniel Silk on Apr 23, 2008 14:45:08 GMT 1, Plus london has to somehow fund the 2012 olympics so any vote for boris because of 'unfair' taxes is sorely deluded. Whatever government is in charge will introduce a whole range of new taxes and money pinching methods to milk the working person in london for as much as they can. we are going to have to fund the olympics because the estimate of ยฃ2.8b is short by...............ยฃ5-6b!!!!!!!!!! boris's fault?
Yeah, I think if Boris plus the Conservatives get in the whole country is gonna have it hard for maybe as long as 5 years not from anything they do! just from trying to turn things round from the mess this country is in at the moment
Plus london has to somehow fund the 2012 olympics so any vote for boris because of 'unfair' taxes is sorely deluded. Whatever government is in charge will introduce a whole range of new taxes and money pinching methods to milk the working person in london for as much as they can. we are going to have to fund the olympics because the estimate of ยฃ2.8b is short by...............ยฃ5-6b!!!!!!!!!! boris's fault? Yeah, I think if Boris plus the Conservatives get in the whole country is gonna have it hard for maybe as long as 5 years not from anything they do! just from trying to turn things round from the mess this country is in at the moment
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by richy00 on Apr 23, 2008 14:48:48 GMT 1, we are going to have to fund the olympics because the estimate of ยฃ2.8b is short by...............ยฃ5-6b!!!!!!!!!! boris's fault? Yeah, I think if Boris plus the Conservatives get in the whole country is gonna have it hard for maybe as long as 5 years not from anything they do! just from trying to turn things round from the mess this country is in at the moment
very true danny boy, very true
we are going to have to fund the olympics because the estimate of ยฃ2.8b is short by...............ยฃ5-6b!!!!!!!!!! boris's fault? Yeah, I think if Boris plus the Conservatives get in the whole country is gonna have it hard for maybe as long as 5 years not from anything they do! just from trying to turn things round from the mess this country is in at the moment very true danny boy, very true
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by onemandown72 on Apr 23, 2008 15:20:53 GMT 1, to be honest at the moment Labour / Conservative same people different labels. Politics has long since moved away from definative left/right positions on the political spectrum and is now just about celebrity. Politicians have long since been the powerbrokers in this country, and all they have succeeded in doing is alienating the general public with their self seeking behaviour. Real power for change lies with non-elected bodies as they haven't the restrictions of transparency that the government has. And this means relying on those in such positions having a decent moral compass and a desire to force change for the good.
to be honest at the moment Labour / Conservative same people different labels. Politics has long since moved away from definative left/right positions on the political spectrum and is now just about celebrity. Politicians have long since been the powerbrokers in this country, and all they have succeeded in doing is alienating the general public with their self seeking behaviour. Real power for change lies with non-elected bodies as they haven't the restrictions of transparency that the government has. And this means relying on those in such positions having a decent moral compass and a desire to force change for the good.
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by goffy on Apr 23, 2008 18:39:33 GMT 1, btw, i would'nt class myself as a tory, i'm just sick of labours deciept & ineptitude over the last decade, i'd rather vote someone else in than suffer more of the same,
And Silky's quote of taking 5 years to get over what Labour have done! Un-fucking believable! It took Labour 10 years to get over what the Tories had done to this country under that fucking bitch Thatcher and the rest of those twats. Rudecopper you obviously don't know what it was like under the Tories otherwise you wouldn't spout such crap. And if you think students are going to be better under the Tories you are in for a big fucking shock. Besides the Wars Blair took us into Labour has done a huge amount to turn this country around and as someone who has worked in the NHS for over 20 years let me tell you things are a lot better now, and that includes pay, equipment and service. I know some of you have got some horror story about the NHS but for each one of them there is a thousand good stories. I can't believe people are bigging up the Tories, if you are, you are either to young to know what it was like then, have a poor memory or have always been a Tory. Go and ask the families of the Miners what it was like. FUCK THE TORIES AND EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH THEM.
btw, i would'nt class myself as a tory, i'm just sick of labours deciept & ineptitude over the last decade, i'd rather vote someone else in than suffer more of the same, And Silky's quote of taking 5 years to get over what Labour have done! Un-fucking believable! It took Labour 10 years to get over what the Tories had done to this country under that fucking bitch Thatcher and the rest of those twats. Rudecopper you obviously don't know what it was like under the Tories otherwise you wouldn't spout such crap. And if you think students are going to be better under the Tories you are in for a big fucking shock. Besides the Wars Blair took us into Labour has done a huge amount to turn this country around and as someone who has worked in the NHS for over 20 years let me tell you things are a lot better now, and that includes pay, equipment and service. I know some of you have got some horror story about the NHS but for each one of them there is a thousand good stories. I can't believe people are bigging up the Tories, if you are, you are either to young to know what it was like then, have a poor memory or have always been a Tory. Go and ask the families of the Miners what it was like. FUCK THE TORIES AND EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH THEM.
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by shaunyboy on Apr 23, 2008 19:03:13 GMT 1, Arthur Scargill was right.
Arthur Scargill was right.
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by stender on Apr 23, 2008 19:43:20 GMT 1, To be honest they are all shit and not worth voting for. The whole country has turned to shit now too. I would immigrate at the drop of a hat if I could only convince the missus!
To be honest they are all shit and not worth voting for. The whole country has turned to shit now too. I would immigrate at the drop of a hat if I could only convince the missus!
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by Rude Copper on Apr 24, 2008 9:21:41 GMT 1, btw, i would'nt class myself as a tory, i'm just sick of labours deciept & ineptitude over the last decade, i'd rather vote someone else in than suffer more of the same, And Silky's quote of taking 5 years to get over what Labour have done! Un-f**king believable! It took Labour 10 years to get over what the Tories had done to this country under that f**king b**ch Thatcher and the rest of those t**ts. Rudecopper you obviously don't know what it was like under the Tories otherwise you wouldn't spout such crap.
unfortunately, i remember the mess this country was in, in the late 70's under labour, we were economically retarded, & you could argue that the tories spent their 1st term undoing all the bad work then as well, as i said, i dont have a particular affinity to any one party, but i do recognise when someone is making a fucking shambles of it, & that is right here & right now, this government is past its sell by date, by about 4 years.
btw, i would'nt class myself as a tory, i'm just sick of labours deciept & ineptitude over the last decade, i'd rather vote someone else in than suffer more of the same, And Silky's quote of taking 5 years to get over what Labour have done! Un-f**king believable! It took Labour 10 years to get over what the Tories had done to this country under that f**king b**ch Thatcher and the rest of those t**ts. Rudecopper you obviously don't know what it was like under the Tories otherwise you wouldn't spout such crap. unfortunately, i remember the mess this country was in, in the late 70's under labour, we were economically retarded, & you could argue that the tories spent their 1st term undoing all the bad work then as well, as i said, i dont have a particular affinity to any one party, but i do recognise when someone is making a fucking shambles of it, & that is right here & right now, this government is past its sell by date, by about 4 years.
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by BONGO on Apr 24, 2008 10:33:55 GMT 1, BONGO SOMEWHAT CONCERNED THAT BORIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE ETON / OXFORD RULING ELITE PRODUCTION LINE
BONGO SOMEWHAT CONCERNED THAT BORIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE ETON / OXFORD RULING ELITE PRODUCTION LINE
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by funyoung on Apr 24, 2008 10:56:25 GMT 1, I'll be voting for Brian Padd**k as 1st choice, then Ken. Anything to keep Johnson out. Anyone actually read his proposals. No fcuking idea what he's on about. Ignorant misogynistic p*ick
Nice way of wasting your vote and effectively voting for Ken. If you vote Ken second then you are voting for him. This is a two horse race where the second votes count as much as the first. Do not vote Ken second if you don't want him. Leave blank if you must. (Same goes for Boris other way round if you must) People have to realise that putting someone second by way of 'protest' is the same as voting for them first when it comes to who wins in this race.
Another few points: 1. It is a mayoral election, not governement. Though the two are inter-linked, what is good for one is not necessarily good for the other. 2. The 'Londoner' is a newspaper wholly controlled by the Mayor of London office. How can it not be in the Mayors power to close this propaganda waste of money down? 3. A lot of people here are suggesting that they would not vote for an Etonian. Why? Chip on your shoulder? Immensely clever chap with a 'bumbling' media persona. Do not be fooled. 4. And anti-graffiti stance. What do expect? A Mayoral candidate to support criminal damage/vandalism? Anyone who votes against Boris as a result of this policy is very silly IMO.
I'll be voting for Brian Padd**k as 1st choice, then Ken. Anything to keep Johnson out. Anyone actually read his proposals. No fcuking idea what he's on about. Ignorant misogynistic p*ick Nice way of wasting your vote and effectively voting for Ken. If you vote Ken second then you are voting for him. This is a two horse race where the second votes count as much as the first. Do not vote Ken second if you don't want him. Leave blank if you must. (Same goes for Boris other way round if you must) People have to realise that putting someone second by way of 'protest' is the same as voting for them first when it comes to who wins in this race. Another few points: 1. It is a mayoral election, not governement. Though the two are inter-linked, what is good for one is not necessarily good for the other. 2. The 'Londoner' is a newspaper wholly controlled by the Mayor of London office. How can it not be in the Mayors power to close this propaganda waste of money down? 3. A lot of people here are suggesting that they would not vote for an Etonian. Why? Chip on your shoulder? Immensely clever chap with a 'bumbling' media persona. Do not be fooled. 4. And anti-graffiti stance. What do expect? A Mayoral candidate to support criminal damage/vandalism? Anyone who votes against Boris as a result of this policy is very silly IMO.
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by funyoung on Apr 24, 2008 10:58:57 GMT 1, BONGO SOMEWHAT CONCERNED THAT BORIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE ETON / OXFORD RULING ELITE PRODUCTION LINE
He went to Eton. He had a very good education. Sounds good so far. He went to Oxford. Because he was clever. Because he is more clever than many others I would prefer him in power. Makes sense really.
Putting others down on account of their perceived 'class' is very tiresome. Usually a product of the oversized 'chip' on their shoulder.
BONGO SOMEWHAT CONCERNED THAT BORIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE ETON / OXFORD RULING ELITE PRODUCTION LINE He went to Eton. He had a very good education. Sounds good so far. He went to Oxford. Because he was clever. Because he is more clever than many others I would prefer him in power. Makes sense really. Putting others down on account of their perceived 'class' is very tiresome. Usually a product of the oversized 'chip' on their shoulder.
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by mike hunt on Apr 24, 2008 11:09:51 GMT 1, There's not much choice for me. I despise Ken but Boris isn't really a viable alternative either - I can't believe thats the best the tories could offer when there are so many who don't want Ken in. If i vote for Boris it is a protest vote against Ken.
There's not much choice for me. I despise Ken but Boris isn't really a viable alternative either - I can't believe thats the best the tories could offer when there are so many who don't want Ken in. If i vote for Boris it is a protest vote against Ken.
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by BONGO on Apr 24, 2008 11:11:34 GMT 1, BONGO THINKS YOU MAKE MANY ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT BONGOS BACKGROUND, EDUCATION AND MOTIVATION
BONGO TRIES NOT TO FALL INTO BOX OF RIGID POLITICAL ORTHODOXY AND PARTY FETISH DOGMATISM, BUT BONGO TRIES TO VIEW MATTERS IN AN OBJECTIVE FASHION, ALBEIT SOMETIMES WITH INCENDIARY LANGUAGE TO PROVOKE RESPONSE AND CREATE DISCUSSION
BONGO PURELY REMARK THAT A WORRYINGLY SMALL RANGE OF INSTITUTIONS PRODUCE THE VAST MAJORITY OF POLITICAL LEADERS IN THE UK
BONGO THINKS YOU MAKE MANY ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT BONGOS BACKGROUND, EDUCATION AND MOTIVATION
BONGO TRIES NOT TO FALL INTO BOX OF RIGID POLITICAL ORTHODOXY AND PARTY FETISH DOGMATISM, BUT BONGO TRIES TO VIEW MATTERS IN AN OBJECTIVE FASHION, ALBEIT SOMETIMES WITH INCENDIARY LANGUAGE TO PROVOKE RESPONSE AND CREATE DISCUSSION
BONGO PURELY REMARK THAT A WORRYINGLY SMALL RANGE OF INSTITUTIONS PRODUCE THE VAST MAJORITY OF POLITICAL LEADERS IN THE UK
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by funyoung on Apr 24, 2008 11:16:00 GMT 1, BONGO THINKS YOU MAKE MANY ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT BONGOS BACKGROUND, EDUCATION AND MOTIVATION BONGO TRIES NOT TO FALL INTO BOX OF RIGID POLITICAL ORTHODOXY AND PARTY FETISH DOGMATISM, BUT BONGO TRIES TO VIEW MATTERS IN AN OBJECTIVE FASHION, ALBEIT SOMETIMES WITH INCENDIARY LANGUAGE TO PROVOKE RESPONSE AND CREATE DISCUSSION BONGO PURELY REMARK THAT A WORRYINGLY SMALL RANGE OF INSTITUTIONS PRODUCE THE VAST MAJORITY OF POLITICAL LEADERS IN THE UK
I made no assumptions about you or who you are.
Rather than 'worry' about why Eton/Oxford produce the political elite and assume it is a 'closed shop', I would rather assume that there may be more to it. Maybe because educationally they are doing a bloody good job? It is very easy for people to assume that everyone else is getting a leg up when they are looking up from below. With that viewpoint it is very difficult to appreciate the amount of hard work being put in.
Shoot down the theory if you must ...
BONGO THINKS YOU MAKE MANY ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT BONGOS BACKGROUND, EDUCATION AND MOTIVATION BONGO TRIES NOT TO FALL INTO BOX OF RIGID POLITICAL ORTHODOXY AND PARTY FETISH DOGMATISM, BUT BONGO TRIES TO VIEW MATTERS IN AN OBJECTIVE FASHION, ALBEIT SOMETIMES WITH INCENDIARY LANGUAGE TO PROVOKE RESPONSE AND CREATE DISCUSSION BONGO PURELY REMARK THAT A WORRYINGLY SMALL RANGE OF INSTITUTIONS PRODUCE THE VAST MAJORITY OF POLITICAL LEADERS IN THE UK I made no assumptions about you or who you are. Rather than 'worry' about why Eton/Oxford produce the political elite and assume it is a 'closed shop', I would rather assume that there may be more to it. Maybe because educationally they are doing a bloody good job? It is very easy for people to assume that everyone else is getting a leg up when they are looking up from below. With that viewpoint it is very difficult to appreciate the amount of hard work being put in. Shoot down the theory if you must ...
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lover
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by lover on Apr 24, 2008 12:14:18 GMT 1, Would you not reckon that the intelligence of a candidate is important, and graduating from Oxford would put him up therewith the best. Its not his fault he had a privileged upbringing and was encouraged to study hard.....
Would you not reckon that the intelligence of a candidate is important, and graduating from Oxford would put him up therewith the best. Its not his fault he had a privileged upbringing and was encouraged to study hard.....
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BONGO
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Banksy & Ken Livingstone, by BONGO on Apr 24, 2008 12:22:39 GMT 1, BONGO HAS NOTHING BUT RESPECT FOR HARD WORK AND INTELLECT, BUT TO SUGGEST THAT OXFORD IS A DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTION WITH ENTRY BASED ON CAPABILITY ALONE IS ANOTHER TOPIC ENTIRELY
BONGO HAS NOTHING BUT RESPECT FOR HARD WORK AND INTELLECT, BUT TO SUGGEST THAT OXFORD IS A DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTION WITH ENTRY BASED ON CAPABILITY ALONE IS ANOTHER TOPIC ENTIRELY
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