toothfairy
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by toothfairy on Nov 30, 2008 9:34:30 GMT 1, The only thing I will point out is that Faile and Shepard aren't British, and the list is top 10 for the UK art scene. But then including Blek makes the list even odder. I conclude the list is total crap.
I thinks its who's made the biggest impact in the UK regardless of nationality. This only makes the list more bulls**t.
It also says 'the biggest impact in the UK urban art scene in 2008'. In other words who's been out there raising their profile and selling out shows. Nothing to do with their work. This list is not compiled for a forum like this but for investors who dont know the difference between a Banksy original and a ยฃ20 reproduction on ebay (they probably think they're getting a bargain, lol)!
The only thing I will point out is that Faile and Shepard aren't British, and the list is top 10 for the UK art scene. But then including Blek makes the list even odder. I conclude the list is total crap. I thinks its who's made the biggest impact in the UK regardless of nationality. This only makes the list more bulls**t. It also says 'the biggest impact in the UK urban art scene in 2008'. In other words who's been out there raising their profile and selling out shows. Nothing to do with their work. This list is not compiled for a forum like this but for investors who dont know the difference between a Banksy original and a ยฃ20 reproduction on ebay (they probably think they're getting a bargain, lol)!
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by remirough on Nov 30, 2008 10:46:43 GMT 1, Woke up this morning, reviewed my previous statements... have decided, to completely disassociate myself from graffiti, urban, street art, or whatever the media are deciding to call it this week...
So many fakers out there, who have been cutting stencils for about 6 months and reckon they deserve a shine in Bonhams... Unbelievable!!! And what's worse is there are people much like Bonhams, or art republic, supporting these charlatans...
As Paul Jones from Elms always says... at the end of it all, there will be 20 names left, if that... The man has a point... Someone needs to do an exposรฉ on this so called scene, it's turning into homogenous mush before my very eyes...
End of rant... pancakes anyone???
Woke up this morning, reviewed my previous statements... have decided, to completely disassociate myself from graffiti, urban, street art, or whatever the media are deciding to call it this week...
So many fakers out there, who have been cutting stencils for about 6 months and reckon they deserve a shine in Bonhams... Unbelievable!!! And what's worse is there are people much like Bonhams, or art republic, supporting these charlatans...
As Paul Jones from Elms always says... at the end of it all, there will be 20 names left, if that... The man has a point... Someone needs to do an exposรฉ on this so called scene, it's turning into homogenous mush before my very eyes...
End of rant... pancakes anyone???
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by wiz on Nov 30, 2008 10:56:20 GMT 1, I know what you mean Remi, im not keen on making lists though as it makes it all sound like there is a set period for "all this" to run, a bit like X Factor for Artists. No syrup on mine thanks.
I know what you mean Remi, im not keen on making lists though as it makes it all sound like there is a set period for "all this" to run, a bit like X Factor for Artists. No syrup on mine thanks.
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by remirough on Nov 30, 2008 11:09:02 GMT 1, I know what you mean Remi, im not keen on making lists though as it makes it all sound like there is a set period for "all this" to run, a bit like X Factor for Artists. No syrup on mine thanks.
Concurred... there's always been so many leeches in this so called scene... who perpetuate themselves to be experts and authorities on it... when really... they haven't got a bare arsed clue about any of it, it's heritage, foundations, history... It saddens me.
I know what you mean Remi, im not keen on making lists though as it makes it all sound like there is a set period for "all this" to run, a bit like X Factor for Artists. No syrup on mine thanks. Concurred... there's always been so many leeches in this so called scene... who perpetuate themselves to be experts and authorities on it... when really... they haven't got a bare arsed clue about any of it, it's heritage, foundations, history... It saddens me.
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Existencil
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by Existencil on Nov 30, 2008 14:28:49 GMT 1, Very dubious top 10. Very Dubious.
Very dubious top 10. Very Dubious.
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by remirough on Nov 30, 2008 14:31:23 GMT 1, Very dubious top 10. Very Dubious.
Understatement of the year...
Very dubious top 10. Very Dubious. Understatement of the year...
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romanywg
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by romanywg on Nov 30, 2008 14:54:57 GMT 1, And what's worse is there are people much like Bonhams, or art republic, supporting these charlatans...
Remember that Tomtom/Art Republic were sellers of Banksy and Cauty from the very beginning. Should they not represent any upcoming artists anymore?
And what's worse is there are people much like Bonhams, or art republic, supporting these charlatans... Remember that Tomtom/Art Republic were sellers of Banksy and Cauty from the very beginning. Should they not represent any upcoming artists anymore?
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by remirough on Nov 30, 2008 14:58:23 GMT 1, And what's worse is there are people much like Bonhams, or art republic, supporting these charlatans... Remember that Tomtom/Art Republic were sellers of Banksy and Cauty from the very beginning. Should they not represent any upcoming artists anymore?
I was talking more of the 'who on Earths'? that no one has ever heard of... Not the people who've been in the game for time.
And what's worse is there are people much like Bonhams, or art republic, supporting these charlatans... Remember that Tomtom/Art Republic were sellers of Banksy and Cauty from the very beginning. Should they not represent any upcoming artists anymore? I was talking more of the 'who on Earths'? that no one has ever heard of... Not the people who've been in the game for time.
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romanywg
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by romanywg on Nov 30, 2008 15:01:47 GMT 1, But not that many people had heard of Banksy or James Cauty when they were first being sold by Art Republic that's what I'm saying. The tile of the link is completely wrong and misleading it should read "Art Republics Top 10 Urban Artists" Then we can have BRP's Top 10 which would be Nick Walker, Blek, D*face, Matt Small, Elbow Toe etc...
But not that many people had heard of Banksy or James Cauty when they were first being sold by Art Republic that's what I'm saying. The tile of the link is completely wrong and misleading it should read "Art Republics Top 10 Urban Artists" Then we can have BRP's Top 10 which would be Nick Walker, Blek, D*face, Matt Small, Elbow Toe etc...
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by alsbabar on Nov 30, 2008 15:12:45 GMT 1, But not that many people had heard of Banksy or James Cauty when they were first being sold by Art Republic that's what I'm saying. The tile of the link is completely wrong and misleading it should read "Art Republics Top 10 Urban Artists" Then we can have BRP's Top 10 which would be Nick Walker, Blek, D*face, Matt Small, Elbow Toe etc...
not what their article states though Roman "their 2008 top 10 of whoโs made the biggest impact in the UK urban art scene in 2008 and whoโs poised for even greater things in 2009. Eagerly awaited by savvy art buyers, the list is compiled from sales, customer feedback and insider knowledge of the urban art market."
Sounds very much like a distorted article to push their sales, rather than a subjective view on the scene for 2008 and going forwards.
If these artists are the big movers of 2008 - then why is it, all works on their site are still available for sale?
How could anyone in their right frame of mind say that someone who produces work like has made the biggest impact in the UK urban art scene in 2008?
Its a bullshit list
But not that many people had heard of Banksy or James Cauty when they were first being sold by Art Republic that's what I'm saying. The tile of the link is completely wrong and misleading it should read "Art Republics Top 10 Urban Artists" Then we can have BRP's Top 10 which would be Nick Walker, Blek, D*face, Matt Small, Elbow Toe etc... not what their article states though Roman "their 2008 top 10 of whoโs made the biggest impact in the UK urban art scene in 2008 and whoโs poised for even greater things in 2009. Eagerly awaited by savvy art buyers, the list is compiled from sales, customer feedback and insider knowledge of the urban art market." Sounds very much like a distorted article to push their sales, rather than a subjective view on the scene for 2008 and going forwards. If these artists are the big movers of 2008 - then why is it, all works on their site are still available for sale? How could anyone in their right frame of mind say that someone who produces work like has made the biggest impact in the UK urban art scene in 2008? Its a bullshit list
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romanywg
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by romanywg on Nov 30, 2008 15:17:48 GMT 1, not what their article states though Roman "their 2008 top 10 of whoโs made the biggest impact in the UK urban art scene in 2008 and whoโs poised for even greater things in 2009. Eagerly awaited by savvy art buyers, the list is compiled from sales, customer feedback and insider knowledge of the urban art market."
Sorry, didn't read the article. That is ridiculous and as you say, 'Sounds very much like a distorted article to push their sales'.
not what their article states though Roman "their 2008 top 10 of whoโs made the biggest impact in the UK urban art scene in 2008 and whoโs poised for even greater things in 2009. Eagerly awaited by savvy art buyers, the list is compiled from sales, customer feedback and insider knowledge of the urban art market."
Sorry, didn't read the article. That is ridiculous and as you say, 'Sounds very much like a distorted article to push their sales'.
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by alsbabar on Nov 30, 2008 15:23:18 GMT 1, knew you would see it my way ;D
knew you would see it my way ;D
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sm
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by sm on Nov 30, 2008 19:31:12 GMT 1, How could Neate not be at the top of this list? 1000 prints left on the streets and lets not forget these!
How could Neate not be at the top of this list? 1000 prints left on the streets and lets not forget these!
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by womble on Nov 30, 2008 19:54:21 GMT 1, Think NW has done a few street pieces in his time, but i dont agree with a sales list. I beg to differ... he's only done legal walls. first time I'd ever heard of him was the Scrawl book, and he'd only painted that ape in the space mask image on canvases. no street stuff whatsoever. that book isn't even 10 years old either... positive proof, some people really could sell ice to eskimos.
Ignorance abounds!!
For a writer who who hails himself as ''having been a part of the graffiti movement for 25 years'' (Which I'm not denying) then let us know your real beef. You're over this forum like a rash of late. Sure your not just bitter at missing the gravy train.
I'll take your weak comments in stages.
''I beg to differ... he's only done legal walls'' 110% factually incorrect. Nick has painted both illegally & legally for over two decades. Just cos you only been aware of him since the 1st 'Scrawl' book means f**k all & only further adds to the futility of your statements
I wasn't aware of 'The Clash' until 1980. Does that make all of their music prior to that null & void & struck from the archives if we go with your rational?
What I find incredulous is that you looked comfortable sniffing around him in London just a few days back? Why didn't you tell him this s**t?
A few pointers for you 1. Ask santa for a copy of the soon to be released book titled 'Children of the Can'. 25 years of Bristol graff. Which documents his early teens running with, Inkie, Felix & the 'Crime Inc crew. Latterly 3d & Banksy.
2. Get out of London more. 3. Strike up the ball's to tell him how whack you think he is next time you search him out for a chat.
Peas & Perspective
Think NW has done a few street pieces in his time, but i dont agree with a sales list. I beg to differ... he's only done legal walls. first time I'd ever heard of him was the Scrawl book, and he'd only painted that ape in the space mask image on canvases. no street stuff whatsoever. that book isn't even 10 years old either... positive proof, some people really could sell ice to eskimos. Ignorance abounds!! For a writer who who hails himself as ''having been a part of the graffiti movement for 25 years'' (Which I'm not denying) then let us know your real beef. You're over this forum like a rash of late. Sure your not just bitter at missing the gravy train. I'll take your weak comments in stages. ''I beg to differ... he's only done legal walls'' 110% factually incorrect. Nick has painted both illegally & legally for over two decades. Just cos you only been aware of him since the 1st 'Scrawl' book means f**k all & only further adds to the futility of your statements I wasn't aware of 'The Clash' until 1980. Does that make all of their music prior to that null & void & struck from the archives if we go with your rational? What I find incredulous is that you looked comfortable sniffing around him in London just a few days back? Why didn't you tell him this s**t? A few pointers for you 1. Ask santa for a copy of the soon to be released book titled 'Children of the Can'. 25 years of Bristol graff. Which documents his early teens running with, Inkie, Felix & the 'Crime Inc crew. Latterly 3d & Banksy. 2. Get out of London more. 3. Strike up the ball's to tell him how whack you think he is next time you search him out for a chat. Peas & Perspective
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farmergeddon
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by farmergeddon on Nov 30, 2008 20:24:56 GMT 1, Wow great work! Not sure why Neate is not on that list but maybe it's just because it's a sales list as Romany said.
How could Neate not be at the top of this list? 1000 prints left on the streets and lets not forget these!
Wow great work! Not sure why Neate is not on that list but maybe it's just because it's a sales list as Romany said. How could Neate not be at the top of this list? 1000 prints left on the streets and lets not forget these!
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Existencil
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by Existencil on Nov 30, 2008 21:01:37 GMT 1, Is Neate not on that list because they don't represent him?
Is Neate not on that list because they don't represent him?
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jamesreeve5
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by jamesreeve5 on Nov 30, 2008 21:04:14 GMT 1, Remi, your rant was good, rants are good, here's mine.
The list is silly... the graffitti movement is silly. Even the good artists are oversold and overpriced, changing hands at way too fast a rate. Bonham's loves having a dozen Failes and half a dozen Banksy's in EVERY auction because they make a commission off them. They care about money, not the artists career. Look at any other hot young artist outside of the "street art" scene and their art isn't cluttering up the auction houses, but instead being put in curated, traveling museum shows with other artists. Except for a select few (Banksy, Kaws, and McGee are the first that come to mind for me) this entire genre has yet to have work featured in prominent museum shows that aren't labeled as "street art exhibitions" because it doesn't deal with anything but itself!
In all honesty, I couldn't write a thousand words of serious critical analysis about Faile, Nick Walker, D*Face, or Neate; and they are supposed to be some of the leading figures of this genre! Serious, history changing art movement cannot simply be self-referential for its own sake, it needs to be in dialogue with bigger things, and the street artists that aren't won't be remembered.
Remi, your rant was good, rants are good, here's mine.
The list is silly... the graffitti movement is silly. Even the good artists are oversold and overpriced, changing hands at way too fast a rate. Bonham's loves having a dozen Failes and half a dozen Banksy's in EVERY auction because they make a commission off them. They care about money, not the artists career. Look at any other hot young artist outside of the "street art" scene and their art isn't cluttering up the auction houses, but instead being put in curated, traveling museum shows with other artists. Except for a select few (Banksy, Kaws, and McGee are the first that come to mind for me) this entire genre has yet to have work featured in prominent museum shows that aren't labeled as "street art exhibitions" because it doesn't deal with anything but itself!
In all honesty, I couldn't write a thousand words of serious critical analysis about Faile, Nick Walker, D*Face, or Neate; and they are supposed to be some of the leading figures of this genre! Serious, history changing art movement cannot simply be self-referential for its own sake, it needs to be in dialogue with bigger things, and the street artists that aren't won't be remembered.
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Simococo
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by Simococo on Nov 30, 2008 21:16:23 GMT 1, The dust will settle over the next few months. Very few artists / collectors (dealers) and gallerys are going to be able to make a living out of urban=street art in 09 and beyond.
The dust will settle over the next few months. Very few artists / collectors (dealers) and gallerys are going to be able to make a living out of urban=street art in 09 and beyond.
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Existencil
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by Existencil on Nov 30, 2008 21:32:19 GMT 1, The galleries will have to move towards contemporary art. Might have to brush up on that one.
The galleries will have to move towards contemporary art. Might have to brush up on that one.
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by cashman on Nov 30, 2008 22:14:07 GMT 1, The galleries will have to move towards contemporary art. Might have to brush up on that one.
thats it...follow the money
The galleries will have to move towards contemporary art. Might have to brush up on that one. thats it...follow the money
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aginghippie
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by aginghippie on Nov 30, 2008 23:09:52 GMT 1, The galleries will have to move towards contemporary art. Might have to brush up on that one. That might be difficult for the galleries. The urban art market is affordable whereas contemporary art is an order of magnitude more expensive. I buy a lot more works than I could if I only bought contemporary and yet I spend a fraction of what I do on contemporary work. My bank balance being what it is I'm unlikely to be buying any contemporary work for a while.
The galleries will have to move towards contemporary art. Might have to brush up on that one. That might be difficult for the galleries. The urban art market is affordable whereas contemporary art is an order of magnitude more expensive. I buy a lot more works than I could if I only bought contemporary and yet I spend a fraction of what I do on contemporary work. My bank balance being what it is I'm unlikely to be buying any contemporary work for a while.
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origo
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by origo on Nov 30, 2008 23:38:56 GMT 1, Too much speculation in that list, sure is pathetic.
Surely artists like Parlรก, Francis and Neate should be on it.
Too much speculation in that list, sure is pathetic.
Surely artists like Parlรก, Francis and Neate should be on it.
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 0:09:09 GMT 1, Too much speculation in that list, sure is pathetic. Surely artists like Parlรก, Francis and Neate should be on it.
Ian Francis is he Urban?
Too much speculation in that list, sure is pathetic. Surely artists like Parlรก, Francis and Neate should be on it. Ian Francis is he Urban?
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by onemandown72 on Dec 1, 2008 0:11:14 GMT 1, Why does this upset people so much - it's clearly AR push pre Xmas to sell work. There are some glaring absences, chill out and ignore.
Why does this upset people so much - it's clearly AR push pre Xmas to sell work. There are some glaring absences, chill out and ignore.
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meatbag
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by meatbag on Dec 1, 2008 0:43:22 GMT 1, I think the list is certainly a con, but the debate about who will truly be remembered is a good one. The only names that I've seen posted that look likely are Banksy, Shepard Fairey, & Barry McGee. With Parla, Os Gemeos and Kaws being strong candidates as well.
IMO, those that can maneuver their way over to the contemporary scene will win.
I think the list is certainly a con, but the debate about who will truly be remembered is a good one. The only names that I've seen posted that look likely are Banksy, Shepard Fairey, & Barry McGee. With Parla, Os Gemeos and Kaws being strong candidates as well.
IMO, those that can maneuver their way over to the contemporary scene will win.
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Cocteau 101
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by Cocteau 101 on Dec 1, 2008 1:25:15 GMT 1, The major players of the urban movement are contemporary artists - Parla, Micallef, Banksy, Neate etc none of these would look out of place in a contemporary museum show. The future will remove the distinction as these artists mature into their careers.
The major players of the urban movement are contemporary artists - Parla, Micallef, Banksy, Neate etc none of these would look out of place in a contemporary museum show. The future will remove the distinction as these artists mature into their careers.
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by twist65 on Dec 1, 2008 1:30:05 GMT 1, Yup I don't understand why everyone is getting so stressed about AR pushing the work they sell either! I hope that everyone beefing about their blatantly sales-orientated spin voted on the street art awards website - a genuine opportunity to make your opinions on your favourite artists count for something. If I was Art Republic I would push my artists too, I think a bucketload of salt is required. But then, the best thing about this thread is that no-one is agreeing!
Yup I don't understand why everyone is getting so stressed about AR pushing the work they sell either! I hope that everyone beefing about their blatantly sales-orientated spin voted on the street art awards website - a genuine opportunity to make your opinions on your favourite artists count for something. If I was Art Republic I would push my artists too, I think a bucketload of salt is required. But then, the best thing about this thread is that no-one is agreeing!
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ArtRepublic - Top 10 Urban Artists 2008, by df on Dec 1, 2008 3:55:09 GMT 1, No point to waste time talking about Top 10 Lists here, this is not the mtv forum
No point to waste time talking about Top 10 Lists here, this is not the mtv forum
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