Zippy
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Expresso Beans, by Zippy on Dec 28, 2009 23:25:07 GMT 1, EB is used a lot on the forums as a 'price guide' website. However, who owns EB and who are the people who update all the information on it to make sure its 100% correct?
I am not trying to start a conspiracy thread (unless Slammer, Silky and SPQR are the 3 joint, registered owners). But I wonder how reliable this website is and what happens if a few 'key' purchases or sales are missed off or keyed in incorrectly to help the Mods on their make selling or purchase decisions in their favour.
EB is used a lot on the forums as a 'price guide' website. However, who owns EB and who are the people who update all the information on it to make sure its 100% correct?
I am not trying to start a conspiracy thread (unless Slammer, Silky and SPQR are the 3 joint, registered owners). But I wonder how reliable this website is and what happens if a few 'key' purchases or sales are missed off or keyed in incorrectly to help the Mods on their make selling or purchase decisions in their favour.
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Expresso Beans, by bigwilly on Dec 28, 2009 23:27:54 GMT 1, expressobeans is the shit!!!
expressobeans is the shit!!!
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Zippy
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Expresso Beans, by Zippy on Dec 28, 2009 23:31:00 GMT 1, Just found this on their site......
Expresso Beans MAKES NO GUARANTEE OF VALIDITY
EBWiki is the online home of and the first access point for information about the art. The community working here is a voluntary association of individuals and groups who are developing an open-content common resource of different media and human technical knowledge. The structure of this site, which is a wiki, allows anyone with an Internet connection and World Wide Web browser to alter the content found here. Therefore, please be advised that nothing found here has necessarily been reviewed by professionals with the expertise necessary to provide you with complete, accurate or reliable information.
That is not to say that you will not find valuable and accurate information on the EBWiki, much of the time you will. However, Expresso Beans cannot guarantee the validity of the information found here. The content of any given information may recently have been changed, vandalized or altered by someone whose opinion does not correspond with the state of knowledge in the relevant fields.
Just found this on their site......
Expresso Beans MAKES NO GUARANTEE OF VALIDITY
EBWiki is the online home of and the first access point for information about the art. The community working here is a voluntary association of individuals and groups who are developing an open-content common resource of different media and human technical knowledge. The structure of this site, which is a wiki, allows anyone with an Internet connection and World Wide Web browser to alter the content found here. Therefore, please be advised that nothing found here has necessarily been reviewed by professionals with the expertise necessary to provide you with complete, accurate or reliable information.
That is not to say that you will not find valuable and accurate information on the EBWiki, much of the time you will. However, Expresso Beans cannot guarantee the validity of the information found here. The content of any given information may recently have been changed, vandalized or altered by someone whose opinion does not correspond with the state of knowledge in the relevant fields.
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Expresso Beans, by cadeallaw on Dec 28, 2009 23:32:24 GMT 1, I hear that a man who is only known as 'codeblue' runs EB. Very little is known about this mysterious Codeblue other that it is rumored that he was raised by Gazelles. I did hear that he might have an extra Green NBG Banksy for sale however for $900... not bad considering.
If I had some extra cash right now, i'd be PMing the shit out of the guy.
I hear that a man who is only known as 'codeblue' runs EB. Very little is known about this mysterious Codeblue other that it is rumored that he was raised by Gazelles. I did hear that he might have an extra Green NBG Banksy for sale however for $900... not bad considering.
If I had some extra cash right now, i'd be PMing the shit out of the guy.
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dotdot
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Expresso Beans, by dotdot on Dec 28, 2009 23:34:29 GMT 1, EB is used a lot on the forums as a 'price guide' website. However, who owns EB and who are the people who update all the information on it to make sure its 100% correct? I am not trying to start a conspiracy thread ( unless Slammer, Silky and SPQR are the 3 joint, registered owners). But I wonder how reliable this website is and what happens if a few 'key' purchases or sales are missed off or keyed in incorrectly to help the Mods on their make selling or purchase decisions in their favour.
c'mon zippy it's a pretty simple site which runs both mysql and php - scraping data off ebay. it's only as good as the data which is put into it... by the members, which is then extracted from ebay.
nothing complex nor sinister.
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EB is used a lot on the forums as a 'price guide' website. However, who owns EB and who are the people who update all the information on it to make sure its 100% correct? I am not trying to start a conspiracy thread ( unless Slammer, Silky and SPQR are the 3 joint, registered owners). But I wonder how reliable this website is and what happens if a few 'key' purchases or sales are missed off or keyed in incorrectly to help the Mods on their make selling or purchase decisions in their favour. c'mon zippy it's a pretty simple site which runs both mysql and php - scraping data off ebay. it's only as good as the data which is put into it... by the members, which is then extracted from ebay. nothing complex nor sinister. ..
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Zippy
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Expresso Beans, by Zippy on Dec 28, 2009 23:34:44 GMT 1, Not bad.. it only took 3 posts for it to go off track.
I was genuinely trying to start a decent debate on the merits of EB and how reliable the information given on its website is.
Can we get back on track?
Not bad.. it only took 3 posts for it to go off track.
I was genuinely trying to start a decent debate on the merits of EB and how reliable the information given on its website is.
Can we get back on track?
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Zippy
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Expresso Beans, by Zippy on Dec 28, 2009 23:36:40 GMT 1, EB is used a lot on the forums as a 'price guide' website. However, who owns EB and who are the people who update all the information on it to make sure its 100% correct? I am not trying to start a conspiracy thread ( unless Slammer, Silky and SPQR are the 3 joint, registered owners). But I wonder how reliable this website is and what happens if a few 'key' purchases or sales are missed off or keyed in incorrectly to help the Mods on their make selling or purchase decisions in their favour. c'mon zippy it's a pretty simple site which runs both mysql and php - scraping data off ebay. it's only as good as the data which is put into it... by the members, which is then extracted from ebay. nothing complex nor sinister. ..
Hi DotDot, Some of your language is a mystery to me! What is Mysql and Php? Some sort of tracking software?
EB is used a lot on the forums as a 'price guide' website. However, who owns EB and who are the people who update all the information on it to make sure its 100% correct? I am not trying to start a conspiracy thread ( unless Slammer, Silky and SPQR are the 3 joint, registered owners). But I wonder how reliable this website is and what happens if a few 'key' purchases or sales are missed off or keyed in incorrectly to help the Mods on their make selling or purchase decisions in their favour. c'mon zippy it's a pretty simple site which runs both mysql and php - scraping data off ebay. it's only as good as the data which is put into it... by the members, which is then extracted from ebay. nothing complex nor sinister. .. Hi DotDot, Some of your language is a mystery to me! What is Mysql and Php? Some sort of tracking software?
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nah
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Expresso Beans, by nah on Dec 29, 2009 0:00:52 GMT 1, lol soon as one scandal finishes the hunt begins for another. EB is the last place you should be looking really, it's non-profit (ie supported by donors) and the owner seems to have only the best intentions. did you notice anything suspicious that inspired this thread?
lol soon as one scandal finishes the hunt begins for another. EB is the last place you should be looking really, it's non-profit (ie supported by donors) and the owner seems to have only the best intentions. did you notice anything suspicious that inspired this thread?
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Zippy
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Expresso Beans, by Zippy on Dec 29, 2009 0:05:26 GMT 1, No, nothing suspicious or sinister at all. I regularly use it as a means of getting a price on a piece whether buying or selling as its a good starting point. It's when I was using it tonight I started thinking about how accurate is the information? Not having a pop at the owner or Mod's and was just wondering what this forum thinks about it.
No, nothing suspicious or sinister at all. I regularly use it as a means of getting a price on a piece whether buying or selling as its a good starting point. It's when I was using it tonight I started thinking about how accurate is the information? Not having a pop at the owner or Mod's and was just wondering what this forum thinks about it.
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spirit
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Expresso Beans, by spirit on Dec 29, 2009 0:07:33 GMT 1, c'mon zippy it's a pretty simple site which runs both mysql and php - scraping data off ebay. it's only as good as the data which is put into it... by the members, which is then extracted from ebay. nothing complex nor sinister. .. Hi DotDot, Some of your language is a mystery to me! What is Mysql and Php? Some sort of tracking software?
MySQL is database software - this is what stores all the EB data. PHP is a scripting language. This is used to query the database (when doing a search on EB for example). I believe php is also used to "scrape" ebay for data. Once a member adds a print to the EB database, EB then tracks/ all ebay results for that print automatically.
c'mon zippy it's a pretty simple site which runs both mysql and php - scraping data off ebay. it's only as good as the data which is put into it... by the members, which is then extracted from ebay. nothing complex nor sinister. .. Hi DotDot, Some of your language is a mystery to me! What is Mysql and Php? Some sort of tracking software? MySQL is database software - this is what stores all the EB data. PHP is a scripting language. This is used to query the database (when doing a search on EB for example). I believe php is also used to "scrape" ebay for data. Once a member adds a print to the EB database, EB then tracks/ all ebay results for that print automatically.
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nah
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Expresso Beans, by nah on Dec 29, 2009 0:12:02 GMT 1, No, nothing suspicious or sinister at all. I regularly use it as a means of getting a price on a piece whether buying or selling as its a good starting point. It's when I was using it tonight I started thinking about how accurate is the information? Not having a pop at the owner or Mod's and was just wondering what this forum thinks about it.
if you look at the table at the bottom, under the source heading theres usually a link to an ebay listing or the name of whoever was involved in the trade. anything dodgy would become immediately obvious. from what i gather the site searches for prints on ebay and adds them automatically, though there is an option to add sale prices outside of this. the latter is potentially open to abuse but im sure the mods keep an eye on things (even if they dont then the members definitely do).
No, nothing suspicious or sinister at all. I regularly use it as a means of getting a price on a piece whether buying or selling as its a good starting point. It's when I was using it tonight I started thinking about how accurate is the information? Not having a pop at the owner or Mod's and was just wondering what this forum thinks about it. if you look at the table at the bottom, under the source heading theres usually a link to an ebay listing or the name of whoever was involved in the trade. anything dodgy would become immediately obvious. from what i gather the site searches for prints on ebay and adds them automatically, though there is an option to add sale prices outside of this. the latter is potentially open to abuse but im sure the mods keep an eye on things (even if they dont then the members definitely do).
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Expresso Beans, by mose on Dec 29, 2009 0:45:49 GMT 1, EB is pretty good for tracking sales data. Does it catch everything? absolutely not. Is it better than anything available anywhere else ever? Absolutely.
EB was the first art site I ever joined and was a big inspiration for all of the work I did on print wiki (http://thegiant.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Prints) and fine art wiki (http://thegiant.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Fine_Art). A definite tip of the cap to the crew over there. They deserve a ridiculous amount of respect.
EB is pretty good for tracking sales data. Does it catch everything? absolutely not. Is it better than anything available anywhere else ever? Absolutely.
EB was the first art site I ever joined and was a big inspiration for all of the work I did on print wiki (http://thegiant.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Prints) and fine art wiki (http://thegiant.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Fine_Art). A definite tip of the cap to the crew over there. They deserve a ridiculous amount of respect.
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Expresso Beans, by rosstierney on Dec 29, 2009 0:58:05 GMT 1, if the site was able to search ebay automatically, the data would be a hell of a lot more accurate. i'm pretty sure it's down to the members to tell the site to track an auction.
if the site was able to search ebay automatically, the data would be a hell of a lot more accurate. i'm pretty sure it's down to the members to tell the site to track an auction.
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Expresso Beans, by Photoxtc on Dec 29, 2009 1:45:49 GMT 1, every time I have tried to get info from EB it's been inaccurate... so I never even bother looking there anymore, but that's just my experience with it....
every time I have tried to get info from EB it's been inaccurate... so I never even bother looking there anymore, but that's just my experience with it....
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Expresso Beans, by leumasdarnley on Dec 29, 2009 2:05:18 GMT 1, every time I have tried to get info from EB it's been inaccurate... so I never even bother looking there anymore, but that's just my experience with it....
Agree for the most part with hot current items it is pretty accurate but the lack of international sales information makes it only a tool vs a one stop shop. The catalog is vast and it is a great network of information so I use it along with manual current ebay sales searches to get a vibe on price. I have noticed errors in information here and there so obviously need to double check anything important.
every time I have tried to get info from EB it's been inaccurate... so I never even bother looking there anymore, but that's just my experience with it.... Agree for the most part with hot current items it is pretty accurate but the lack of international sales information makes it only a tool vs a one stop shop. The catalog is vast and it is a great network of information so I use it along with manual current ebay sales searches to get a vibe on price. I have noticed errors in information here and there so obviously need to double check anything important.
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Ottomatik
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Expresso Beans, by Ottomatik on Dec 29, 2009 2:19:20 GMT 1, It seems that within the last 5 months members of EB have been putting links to eBay for most prints that are around. I have done this myself. That information is solid. It also tracks secondary market sales through members. That is also solid. It is a great place to use as a reference for going rate of prints. Instead of trying to dog the site, join and add something useful to the data base. It's not just a site for BMD and Phish prints anymore. Urban art is starting to rise in popularity there. May I also add that a lot of the members hate on MBW as you guys do, so you see you already have something in common!
It seems that within the last 5 months members of EB have been putting links to eBay for most prints that are around. I have done this myself. That information is solid. It also tracks secondary market sales through members. That is also solid. It is a great place to use as a reference for going rate of prints. Instead of trying to dog the site, join and add something useful to the data base. It's not just a site for BMD and Phish prints anymore. Urban art is starting to rise in popularity there. May I also add that a lot of the members hate on MBW as you guys do, so you see you already have something in common!
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Expresso Beans, by leumasdarnley on Dec 29, 2009 3:15:04 GMT 1, relax otto just because you love the site doesn't mean your right.... everyone has an opinion.
relax otto just because you love the site doesn't mean your right.... everyone has an opinion.
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Expresso Beans, by Ottomatik on Dec 29, 2009 3:29:33 GMT 1, Uh, I don't think I was trying to be "right" about anything. Just my take on the site.
Uh, I don't think I was trying to be "right" about anything. Just my take on the site.
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Expresso Beans, by leumasdarnley on Dec 29, 2009 3:40:43 GMT 1, Misread my bad
Misread my bad
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Expresso Beans, by Heavyconsumer on Dec 29, 2009 4:46:04 GMT 1, Hi DotDot, Some of your language is a mystery to me! What is Mysql and Php? Some sort of tracking software? MySQL is database software - this is what stores all the EB data. PHP is a scripting language. This is used to query the database (when doing a search on EB for example). I believe php is also used to "scrape" ebay for data. Once a member adds a print to the EB database, EB then tracks/ all ebay results for that print automatically.
I'm not an expert on any of this IT stuff, but I can tell you from my own EB experience that this is not the case. Each auction number is manually input separately. I have at times spent 10 mins here or there banging auction numbers in to "do my bit" as it were and never have the same items in subsequent auctions been auto-entered.
The data is far from complete, but as you say Zippy, it's a fantastic resource for gauging approx' values. However, imo much more importantly, it's also an incredible place to browse and discover new art. I've stumbled across a LOT of artists there, whom I previously had never heard of and that's been a lot of fun. This was one of the main things that turned me on about this forum too a while back. The discussion forums in EB are ok too and much more American dominated than this place.
The data's all put in by members and staff, including all the actual artwork details and images. However much of this data is reviewed by site staff before being added to the database. I've had them refuse to add some of the stuff I've input in the past when edition info hasn't been easily varifiable or is slightly confusing for example. Absolutely it is corruptible, as we can enter bogus sales information for our own private sales, but I think that while this sort of thing must happen, it's proportionally not very significant (IMO). I don't think the site could be too much more transparent than it is, but of course, with anything that's so open source, it should at times not be taken as absolute gospel, but a good guide none the less.
Love it to bits and probably spend almost as much time browsing the art forums there as I do here.
I am not trying to start a conspiracy thread (unless Slammer, Silky and SPQR are the 3 joint, registered owners). - Could it be? ;D
Hi DotDot, Some of your language is a mystery to me! What is Mysql and Php? Some sort of tracking software? MySQL is database software - this is what stores all the EB data. PHP is a scripting language. This is used to query the database (when doing a search on EB for example). I believe php is also used to "scrape" ebay for data. Once a member adds a print to the EB database, EB then tracks/ all ebay results for that print automatically. I'm not an expert on any of this IT stuff, but I can tell you from my own EB experience that this is not the case. Each auction number is manually input separately. I have at times spent 10 mins here or there banging auction numbers in to "do my bit" as it were and never have the same items in subsequent auctions been auto-entered. The data is far from complete, but as you say Zippy, it's a fantastic resource for gauging approx' values. However, imo much more importantly, it's also an incredible place to browse and discover new art. I've stumbled across a LOT of artists there, whom I previously had never heard of and that's been a lot of fun. This was one of the main things that turned me on about this forum too a while back. The discussion forums in EB are ok too and much more American dominated than this place. The data's all put in by members and staff, including all the actual artwork details and images. However much of this data is reviewed by site staff before being added to the database. I've had them refuse to add some of the stuff I've input in the past when edition info hasn't been easily varifiable or is slightly confusing for example. Absolutely it is corruptible, as we can enter bogus sales information for our own private sales, but I think that while this sort of thing must happen, it's proportionally not very significant (IMO). I don't think the site could be too much more transparent than it is, but of course, with anything that's so open source, it should at times not be taken as absolute gospel, but a good guide none the less. Love it to bits and probably spend almost as much time browsing the art forums there as I do here. I am not trying to start a conspiracy thread (unless Slammer, Silky and SPQR are the 3 joint, registered owners). - Could it be? ;D
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Expresso Beans, by junta on Dec 29, 2009 5:15:53 GMT 1, I also found any submissions I have made to EB are reviewed manually. Things zip by fairly swiftly too as it has so many members.
I also found any submissions I have made to EB are reviewed manually. Things zip by fairly swiftly too as it has so many members.
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Expresso Beans, by cpo on Dec 29, 2009 11:07:34 GMT 1, Wow, EB is coming up to it's 7th birthday next May. I can't say enough about Sunsetbrew and the entire team over there for creating and maintaing one of the coolest online art databases in the world.
I can't even guess how many man-hours Admins and Mods such as dougr, yamar, morst, bigdave, flimby and others have given to that site. incredible, and their insight and vision has truely influenced the scene in many ways, ironically, both good and bad. Not too mention the hordes of volunteers who manually add all the Ebay auctions.
What's great about EB (IMO) has been it's evolution through the years and the volunteer participation of people adding art, adding sales and data, and providing a place where one can go and see many different types of art and allow us collector nerds easy ways to organize our collections, maintain want and FS lists, meet others with simialr interests, search by art by name of artist, style, size of print, you name it!
The site was originally created by Sunsetbrew as a way to track Phish prints, probably more specifically, Jim Pollock Phish prints and it has evloved on a daily basis. I'm not sure when the forum came into play, but I don't think it was used much in the beginning.
Most of the original users fell into 3 camps: fans of Phish art, fans of the art of Pearl Jam (mostly Ames brothers) and the artists, but at that time, each group already had established forums online: the current phishposters.com, and the previous phish yahoo poster group and Man, what was the very first one called? I forgot.. Terry's phish poster archive or something like tha for the Phish groupt... BRY- Black Red and Yellow PJ forum, and Clay's gigposters.com for the artists which came about in early 2001 I think. (another true pioneer)
Later on, another one of the better art sites thegiant.org came about (mose, when was that?) and I'm not sure when this particular board came about, but EB is no longer 'focused' on one artist or band or type, although gigposters would probably say EB represents the collector and they the artists, and some might say EB is more US based, but I find both of those generalizations fading fast. There seems to me to be a large number of supporters and members at EB from all over the world.
Anyway, it is true that it is really a site that relies on the input of it's members, especially in adding art and auctions, and if the international sales are not as prevelent as the US ones, it's because EB could always use more volunteers to add internet auctions.. it's quite simple.. copy and paste the Ebay auction number and paste it onto the site under that particular piece of art. If it's not there, add it yourself! it's actually quite addicting!
Can the sales information be manipulated and used inappropriately? sure, much like shill bidding goes on on Ebay, but as a few people have pointed out already, the data is looked over and it would probably be obvious if there were too many nuiances popping out, especially with so many data enteries. The more enteries, the more the true average comes out. Another reason the site gets better by it's own members.
Personally, since the sales info is just a tool I also recommend that people take all other sorts of data in mind before you agree to buy/sell at any price, but overall there isn't a better source out there than EB, end of.
My favorite part is the My Collection option where you can add all your art and look at everything online in one location...
Now, go join and add some art!
Wow, EB is coming up to it's 7th birthday next May. I can't say enough about Sunsetbrew and the entire team over there for creating and maintaing one of the coolest online art databases in the world.
I can't even guess how many man-hours Admins and Mods such as dougr, yamar, morst, bigdave, flimby and others have given to that site. incredible, and their insight and vision has truely influenced the scene in many ways, ironically, both good and bad. Not too mention the hordes of volunteers who manually add all the Ebay auctions.
What's great about EB (IMO) has been it's evolution through the years and the volunteer participation of people adding art, adding sales and data, and providing a place where one can go and see many different types of art and allow us collector nerds easy ways to organize our collections, maintain want and FS lists, meet others with simialr interests, search by art by name of artist, style, size of print, you name it!
The site was originally created by Sunsetbrew as a way to track Phish prints, probably more specifically, Jim Pollock Phish prints and it has evloved on a daily basis. I'm not sure when the forum came into play, but I don't think it was used much in the beginning.
Most of the original users fell into 3 camps: fans of Phish art, fans of the art of Pearl Jam (mostly Ames brothers) and the artists, but at that time, each group already had established forums online: the current phishposters.com, and the previous phish yahoo poster group and Man, what was the very first one called? I forgot.. Terry's phish poster archive or something like tha for the Phish groupt... BRY- Black Red and Yellow PJ forum, and Clay's gigposters.com for the artists which came about in early 2001 I think. (another true pioneer)
Later on, another one of the better art sites thegiant.org came about (mose, when was that?) and I'm not sure when this particular board came about, but EB is no longer 'focused' on one artist or band or type, although gigposters would probably say EB represents the collector and they the artists, and some might say EB is more US based, but I find both of those generalizations fading fast. There seems to me to be a large number of supporters and members at EB from all over the world.
Anyway, it is true that it is really a site that relies on the input of it's members, especially in adding art and auctions, and if the international sales are not as prevelent as the US ones, it's because EB could always use more volunteers to add internet auctions.. it's quite simple.. copy and paste the Ebay auction number and paste it onto the site under that particular piece of art. If it's not there, add it yourself! it's actually quite addicting!
Can the sales information be manipulated and used inappropriately? sure, much like shill bidding goes on on Ebay, but as a few people have pointed out already, the data is looked over and it would probably be obvious if there were too many nuiances popping out, especially with so many data enteries. The more enteries, the more the true average comes out. Another reason the site gets better by it's own members.
Personally, since the sales info is just a tool I also recommend that people take all other sorts of data in mind before you agree to buy/sell at any price, but overall there isn't a better source out there than EB, end of.
My favorite part is the My Collection option where you can add all your art and look at everything online in one location...
Now, go join and add some art!
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Blind Angle
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Expresso Beans, by Blind Angle on Dec 29, 2009 12:12:14 GMT 1, Great Thread!
I frequently use EB as a source of info about prints as their database is huge and includes artists from all over the world. A lot of the discussions on the forum there i have found very interesting indeed as there are some very knowlegable people about there.
I agree that the secondary market sales price info should only be taken as a guide and one should do a bit of manual search (as has been pointed out above!).
Personally i have added some items to the EB database and they have always been manually checked by the moderators before they have been included within a couple of days.
All due respect to the people running EB!
Ragnar
Great Thread!
I frequently use EB as a source of info about prints as their database is huge and includes artists from all over the world. A lot of the discussions on the forum there i have found very interesting indeed as there are some very knowlegable people about there.
I agree that the secondary market sales price info should only be taken as a guide and one should do a bit of manual search (as has been pointed out above!).
Personally i have added some items to the EB database and they have always been manually checked by the moderators before they have been included within a couple of days.
All due respect to the people running EB!
Ragnar
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Expresso Beans, by spirit on Dec 29, 2009 12:39:45 GMT 1, MySQL is database software - this is what stores all the EB data. PHP is a scripting language. This is used to query the database (when doing a search on EB for example). I believe php is also used to "scrape" ebay for data. Once a member adds a print to the EB database, EB then tracks/ all ebay results for that print automatically. I'm not an expert on any of this IT stuff, but I can tell you from my own EB experience that this is not the case. Each auction number is manually input separately. I have at times spent 10 mins here or there banging auction numbers in to "do my bit" as it were and never have the same items in subsequent auctions been auto-entered. The data is far from complete, but as you say Zippy, it's a fantastic resource for gauging approx' values. However, imo much more importantly, it's also an incredible place to browse and discover new art. I've stumbled across a LOT of artists there, whom I previously had never heard of and that's been a lot of fun. This was one of the main things that turned me on about this forum too a while back. The discussion forums in EB are ok too and much more American dominated than this place. The data's all put in by members and staff, including all the actual artwork details and images. However much of this data is reviewed by site staff before being added to the database. I've had them refuse to add some of the stuff I've input in the past when edition info hasn't been easily varifiable or is slightly confusing for example. Absolutely it is corruptible, as we can enter bogus sales information for our own private sales, but I think that while this sort of thing must happen, it's proportionally not very significant (IMO). I don't think the site could be too much more transparent than it is, but of course, with anything that's so open source, it should at times not be taken as absolute gospel, but a good guide none the less. Love it to bits and probably spend almost as much time browsing the art forums there as I do here. I am not trying to start a conspiracy thread (unless Slammer, Silky and SPQR are the 3 joint, registered owners). - Could it be? ;D
Fair enough HC - I was under the impression it was automatic for some reason - figured the manual input job would just be to big to handle! It would probably not be too difficult to setup the automatic input of auction results but they would probably need a manual eye cast over them to ensure the sales went through etc.
MySQL is database software - this is what stores all the EB data. PHP is a scripting language. This is used to query the database (when doing a search on EB for example). I believe php is also used to "scrape" ebay for data. Once a member adds a print to the EB database, EB then tracks/ all ebay results for that print automatically. I'm not an expert on any of this IT stuff, but I can tell you from my own EB experience that this is not the case. Each auction number is manually input separately. I have at times spent 10 mins here or there banging auction numbers in to "do my bit" as it were and never have the same items in subsequent auctions been auto-entered. The data is far from complete, but as you say Zippy, it's a fantastic resource for gauging approx' values. However, imo much more importantly, it's also an incredible place to browse and discover new art. I've stumbled across a LOT of artists there, whom I previously had never heard of and that's been a lot of fun. This was one of the main things that turned me on about this forum too a while back. The discussion forums in EB are ok too and much more American dominated than this place. The data's all put in by members and staff, including all the actual artwork details and images. However much of this data is reviewed by site staff before being added to the database. I've had them refuse to add some of the stuff I've input in the past when edition info hasn't been easily varifiable or is slightly confusing for example. Absolutely it is corruptible, as we can enter bogus sales information for our own private sales, but I think that while this sort of thing must happen, it's proportionally not very significant (IMO). I don't think the site could be too much more transparent than it is, but of course, with anything that's so open source, it should at times not be taken as absolute gospel, but a good guide none the less. Love it to bits and probably spend almost as much time browsing the art forums there as I do here. I am not trying to start a conspiracy thread (unless Slammer, Silky and SPQR are the 3 joint, registered owners). - Could it be? ;D Fair enough HC - I was under the impression it was automatic for some reason - figured the manual input job would just be to big to handle! It would probably not be too difficult to setup the automatic input of auction results but they would probably need a manual eye cast over them to ensure the sales went through etc.
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origo
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April 2008
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Expresso Beans, by origo on Dec 29, 2009 12:46:27 GMT 1, The users on EB isn´t very interested in this scene, they are more into the likes of EMEK, Aaron Horkey, Todd Slater, etc. That is one of the reasons why the average prices on Banksy prints isn´t up to date, people simply don´t care and therefore don´t add auctions.
One other cool thing on EB is that you earn yourself reputation by adding art, auctions, etc.
The users on EB isn´t very interested in this scene, they are more into the likes of EMEK, Aaron Horkey, Todd Slater, etc. That is one of the reasons why the average prices on Banksy prints isn´t up to date, people simply don´t care and therefore don´t add auctions.
One other cool thing on EB is that you earn yourself reputation by adding art, auctions, etc.
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Expresso Beans, by Daniel Silk on Dec 29, 2009 12:53:43 GMT 1, expressobeans is the s**t!!!
Not necessary
expressobeans is the s**t!!! Not necessary
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nah
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April 2009
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Expresso Beans, by nah on Dec 29, 2009 13:03:06 GMT 1, expressobeans is the s**t!!! Not necessary
lol?
expressobeans is the s**t!!! Not necessary lol?
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Expresso Beans, by mrtibbs on Dec 29, 2009 13:05:00 GMT 1, expressobeans is the s**t!!! Not necessary
POW, BOOM, GONE ;D
expressobeans is the s**t!!! Not necessary POW, BOOM, GONE ;D
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holden
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July 2008
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Expresso Beans, by holden on Dec 29, 2009 13:05:54 GMT 1, I'm sure mr or mrs bigwilly meant 'spot'........
.............the spot where you can get information
I'm sure mr or mrs bigwilly meant 'spot'........
.............the spot where you can get information
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cpo
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December 2006
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Expresso Beans, by cpo on Dec 29, 2009 13:46:19 GMT 1, The users on EB isn´t very interested in this scene, they are more into the likes of EMEK, Aaron Horkey, Todd Slater, etc. That is one of the reasons why the average prices on Banksy prints isn´t up to date, people simply don´t care and therefore don´t add auctions.
I wouldn't jump to that conclusion.. I know lots of people on here that are on EB and vice versa. It's just that there are several different forums people visit to discuss often the same stuff. I've been here for over 3 years but don't often post here (nor on EB as much) but I read things here and there quite often. There is interest for sure.
I think you'll find the bigger UK releases are tracked, Banksy included.. maybe not as much as Shep or Emek, but admitedly, there aren't as many UK Ebay EB users that track all of the UK auctions.
The users on EB isn´t very interested in this scene, they are more into the likes of EMEK, Aaron Horkey, Todd Slater, etc. That is one of the reasons why the average prices on Banksy prints isn´t up to date, people simply don´t care and therefore don´t add auctions. I wouldn't jump to that conclusion.. I know lots of people on here that are on EB and vice versa. It's just that there are several different forums people visit to discuss often the same stuff. I've been here for over 3 years but don't often post here (nor on EB as much) but I read things here and there quite often. There is interest for sure. I think you'll find the bigger UK releases are tracked, Banksy included.. maybe not as much as Shep or Emek, but admitedly, there aren't as many UK Ebay EB users that track all of the UK auctions.
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