Gentle Mental
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by Gentle Mental on Aug 18, 2008 12:36:52 GMT 1, Most prints have no long term value.
And, most prints are now released at slightly above ebay prices, ie. not flippable, so most prints have no short term value either.
Most prints have no long term value.
And, most prints are now released at slightly above ebay prices, ie. not flippable, so most prints have no short term value either.
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andyctree
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by andyctree on Aug 18, 2008 12:51:41 GMT 1, buy what you like, not because it is going to gain in value
buy what you like, not because it is going to gain in value
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Gentle Mental
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by Gentle Mental on Aug 18, 2008 14:24:06 GMT 1, There is little, if any, holding value in prints.
As most of this demand wouldn't make much sense in 10 years time. (Or even 3!)
Only artists doing it for the money worry about the supply and demand of prints.
Don't think Micallef / Francis / Choe / Walker are losing any sleep over the un-flippable-ness of their prints.
There is little, if any, holding value in prints.
As most of this demand wouldn't make much sense in 10 years time. (Or even 3!)
Only artists doing it for the money worry about the supply and demand of prints.
Don't think Micallef / Francis / Choe / Walker are losing any sleep over the un-flippable-ness of their prints.
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dealersam
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by dealersam on Aug 18, 2008 15:36:12 GMT 1, when talking about print value we must divide between fine art & stencil grafitti. In the case of Micallef/francis etc it is fine art & not stencil grafitti art. IMO a limited print of a painting is not as an attractive proposition because it is flat & more one-dimensional than the original painting.
with stencil grafitti art it is already flat & one-dimensional so it transfers better to paper, looks similar to the original & therefore more attractive on the secondary market.
Lowry prints for example pick em up for sever hundred, paintings are a diff matter. I believe there is some longevity in stencil print purely because it works so well.
a ramble
when talking about print value we must divide between fine art & stencil grafitti. In the case of Micallef/francis etc it is fine art & not stencil grafitti art. IMO a limited print of a painting is not as an attractive proposition because it is flat & more one-dimensional than the original painting.
with stencil grafitti art it is already flat & one-dimensional so it transfers better to paper, looks similar to the original & therefore more attractive on the secondary market.
Lowry prints for example pick em up for sever hundred, paintings are a diff matter. I believe there is some longevity in stencil print purely because it works so well.
a ramble
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Gentle Mental
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by Gentle Mental on Aug 18, 2008 17:06:19 GMT 1, You are so wrong as to how Micallef and Choe feel about the flipping of their prints. I have heard it from both and you are waaayyy off if you believe they don't care about it, Antony is gutted as to how people are continually flipping his work. As for demand not making sense in 10 years, since when did you become the art mystic meg? Are you saying that none of the artists who are doing well will be successful in 10 years time as that to me is complete rubbish and sounds quite pretentious.
If you have heard from both, you really shouldn't worry about the "holding value" cough! flippability cough! of your Francis then....
You are so wrong as to how Micallef and Choe feel about the flipping of their prints. I have heard it from both and you are waaayyy off if you believe they don't care about it, Antony is gutted as to how people are continually flipping his work. As for demand not making sense in 10 years, since when did you become the art mystic meg? Are you saying that none of the artists who are doing well will be successful in 10 years time as that to me is complete rubbish and sounds quite pretentious. If you have heard from both, you really shouldn't worry about the "holding value" cough! flippability cough! of your Francis then.... |
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leumasdarnley
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by leumasdarnley on Aug 18, 2008 17:44:36 GMT 1, Looks like they took the old edition prints down don't think they are sold out yet but they are gone.
Looks like they took the old edition prints down don't think they are sold out yet but they are gone.
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by onemandown72 on Aug 18, 2008 17:46:37 GMT 1, when talking about print value we must divide between fine art & stencil grafitti. In the case of Micallef/francis etc it is fine art & not stencil grafitti art. IMO a limited print of a painting is not as an attractive proposition because it is flat & more one-dimensional than the original painting. with stencil grafitti art it is already flat & one-dimensional so it transfers better to paper, looks similar to the original & therefore more attractive on the secondary market. Lowry prints for example pick em up for sever hundred, paintings are a diff matter. I believe there is some longevity in stencil print purely because it works so well. a ramble
Couldn't agree more
when talking about print value we must divide between fine art & stencil grafitti. In the case of Micallef/francis etc it is fine art & not stencil grafitti art. IMO a limited print of a painting is not as an attractive proposition because it is flat & more one-dimensional than the original painting. with stencil grafitti art it is already flat & one-dimensional so it transfers better to paper, looks similar to the original & therefore more attractive on the secondary market. Lowry prints for example pick em up for sever hundred, paintings are a diff matter. I believe there is some longevity in stencil print purely because it works so well. a ramble Couldn't agree more |
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 18, 2008 18:19:52 GMT 1, In any case, Blk/Mrkt f*ucked with people who bought the first edition of 25 and even the second edition of 50. For whatever reason you bought the prints they can't pump out additional editions from the same show. They devalue the earlier editions and if this is not disclosed prior then its f*ucked up. They certainly charged a premium and I thought that 100 prints total that it would be great for the collection. Then they dropped 200 more, then another 200. As a big fan and owner of one of Ian's largest paintings I was pretty perturbed @blk/mrkt visions of $$$$...
In any case, Blk/Mrkt f*ucked with people who bought the first edition of 25 and even the second edition of 50. For whatever reason you bought the prints they can't pump out additional editions from the same show. They devalue the earlier editions and if this is not disclosed prior then its f*ucked up. They certainly charged a premium and I thought that 100 prints total that it would be great for the collection. Then they dropped 200 more, then another 200. As a big fan and owner of one of Ian's largest paintings I was pretty perturbed @blk/mrkt visions of $$$$...
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Photoxtc
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by Photoxtc on Aug 18, 2008 19:07:30 GMT 1, You are so wrong as to how Micallef and Choe feel about the flipping of their prints. I have heard it from both and you are waaayyy off if you believe they don't care about it, Antony is gutted as to how people are continually flipping his work. As for demand not making sense in 10 years, since when did you become the art mystic meg? Are you saying that none of the artists who are doing well will be successful in 10 years time as that to me is complete rubbish and sounds quite pretentious.
I think you missed gentlemental's point here and he couldn't be more right!
You are so wrong as to how Micallef and Choe feel about the flipping of their prints. I have heard it from both and you are waaayyy off if you believe they don't care about it, Antony is gutted as to how people are continually flipping his work. As for demand not making sense in 10 years, since when did you become the art mystic meg? Are you saying that none of the artists who are doing well will be successful in 10 years time as that to me is complete rubbish and sounds quite pretentious. I think you missed gentlemental's point here and he couldn't be more right! |
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by maadbeats on Aug 18, 2008 19:34:19 GMT 1, my guess is canvases will start around $15-$20k. I feel they are worth every penny. The more I see the more I respect his work. Wish I could of got in around $5k
my guess is canvases will start around $15-$20k. I feel they are worth every penny. The more I see the more I respect his work. Wish I could of got in around $5k
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Francis
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by Francis on Aug 19, 2008 1:53:41 GMT 1, Last year I was gutted to have missed out on the Ian Franics set of 4 prints released just after his show. After almost a month and half of saving I bought the set for considerably more than their original selling price only to be surprised and confused to see 2 more sets released at a later stage by BLK MRKT. I have to say that I was amazed that they couldn't see what would happen when many of these began to hit ebay which was pretty inevitable. I am not in a position to buy art without considering whether it will hold its value and was left wondering whether it is detrimental at this stage in an artist like Ian's career to release many prints (regarless of small edition sizes) ignoring that fact that they will float about on the secondary market for a long time to come? I have no doubt that his canvasses will sell out and increase in value due to the quality of his work and fact that he doesn't release many originals each year but should he take a leaf out of Neate's book and stick to originals for the time being? Would BLK MRKT allow this?
So you want them to forgo publishing prints at his next show because you think that in doing so, you would protect the value of your prints? Perhaps you should email them to float this idea about before they start printing the giclees for his show.
Last year I was gutted to have missed out on the Ian Franics set of 4 prints released just after his show. After almost a month and half of saving I bought the set for considerably more than their original selling price only to be surprised and confused to see 2 more sets released at a later stage by BLK MRKT. I have to say that I was amazed that they couldn't see what would happen when many of these began to hit ebay which was pretty inevitable. I am not in a position to buy art without considering whether it will hold its value and was left wondering whether it is detrimental at this stage in an artist like Ian's career to release many prints (regarless of small edition sizes) ignoring that fact that they will float about on the secondary market for a long time to come? I have no doubt that his canvasses will sell out and increase in value due to the quality of his work and fact that he doesn't release many originals each year but should he take a leaf out of Neate's book and stick to originals for the time being? Would BLK MRKT allow this? So you want them to forgo publishing prints at his next show because you think that in doing so, you would protect the value of your prints? Perhaps you should email them to float this idea about before they start printing the giclees for his show. |
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by Prescription Art on Aug 19, 2008 2:07:42 GMT 1, I don't know why Simon's getting a hard time... i'd be annoyed if i'd paid a lot for a set of prints only for them to churn out a ludicrous number of extra ones a month or two later.
And as for prints having no long term value, that's bollocks. Print making is an art in itself, and i've seen some great print collections containing no originals at all... Warhol, Liechenstein, Haring, Indiana, Banksy, Faile, Bacon etc. etc.
It all depends on how Ian Francis develops as an artist, and that's something I don't know.
For me, the first time I saw his paintings at ยฃ1000 I thought they were amazing... but i'm not sure they stand up with a ยฃ15,000 price tag. They've all started to look rather the same to me.
I've not seen a solo show of his though, and i've made the mistake before of judging an artist before seeing a collection of their paintings for myself (with Neate for example).
I don't know why Simon's getting a hard time... i'd be annoyed if i'd paid a lot for a set of prints only for them to churn out a ludicrous number of extra ones a month or two later.
And as for prints having no long term value, that's bollocks. Print making is an art in itself, and i've seen some great print collections containing no originals at all... Warhol, Liechenstein, Haring, Indiana, Banksy, Faile, Bacon etc. etc.
It all depends on how Ian Francis develops as an artist, and that's something I don't know.
For me, the first time I saw his paintings at ยฃ1000 I thought they were amazing... but i'm not sure they stand up with a ยฃ15,000 price tag. They've all started to look rather the same to me.
I've not seen a solo show of his though, and i've made the mistake before of judging an artist before seeing a collection of their paintings for myself (with Neate for example).
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 19, 2008 3:36:28 GMT 1, Last year I was gutted to have missed out on the Ian Franics set of 4 prints released just after his show. After almost a month and half of saving I bought the set for considerably more than their original selling price only to be surprised and confused to see 2 more sets released at a later stage by BLK MRKT. I have to say that I was amazed that they couldn't see what would happen when many of these began to hit ebay which was pretty inevitable. I am not in a position to buy art without considering whether it will hold its value and was left wondering whether it is detrimental at this stage in an artist like Ian's career to release many prints (regarless of small edition sizes) ignoring that fact that they will float about on the secondary market for a long time to come? I have no doubt that his canvasses will sell out and increase in value due to the quality of his work and fact that he doesn't release many originals each year but should he take a leaf out of Neate's book and stick to originals for the time being? Would BLK MRKT allow this? So you want them to forgo publishing prints at his next show because you think that in doing so, you would protect the value of your prints? Perhaps you should email them to float this idea about before they start printing the giclees for his show.
Ummm, its pretty much the most basic of gallery fundamentals to protect > grow clients collections and their values...
Last year I was gutted to have missed out on the Ian Franics set of 4 prints released just after his show. After almost a month and half of saving I bought the set for considerably more than their original selling price only to be surprised and confused to see 2 more sets released at a later stage by BLK MRKT. I have to say that I was amazed that they couldn't see what would happen when many of these began to hit ebay which was pretty inevitable. I am not in a position to buy art without considering whether it will hold its value and was left wondering whether it is detrimental at this stage in an artist like Ian's career to release many prints (regarless of small edition sizes) ignoring that fact that they will float about on the secondary market for a long time to come? I have no doubt that his canvasses will sell out and increase in value due to the quality of his work and fact that he doesn't release many originals each year but should he take a leaf out of Neate's book and stick to originals for the time being? Would BLK MRKT allow this? So you want them to forgo publishing prints at his next show because you think that in doing so, you would protect the value of your prints? Perhaps you should email them to float this idea about before they start printing the giclees for his show. Ummm, its pretty much the most basic of gallery fundamentals to protect > grow clients collections and their values... |
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 19, 2008 3:41:31 GMT 1, Releasing 12 prints in under a year for a new artist really f**ked some s**t up! I don't know if any other artist has released so many images as prints in 10 months. What is the chance that more will be released after next months show?
Last time I chime in on this - if they announced 12 prints from the show at the onset that would be perfectly fine w/me. I can make a decision based on that but to do 4 > have me buy the 4 @$700 ea. thinking these were the only prints then release 4 more AND then 4 more is terrible gallery practice. Its deceitful...
Releasing 12 prints in under a year for a new artist really f**ked some s**t up! I don't know if any other artist has released so many images as prints in 10 months. What is the chance that more will be released after next months show? Last time I chime in on this - if they announced 12 prints from the show at the onset that would be perfectly fine w/me. I can make a decision based on that but to do 4 > have me buy the 4 @$700 ea. thinking these were the only prints then release 4 more AND then 4 more is terrible gallery practice. Its deceitful... |
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Gentle Mental
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by Gentle Mental on Aug 19, 2008 4:15:53 GMT 1, I'm glad Blk Mrkt did what they did, because it was the only way I can have the image of In the end, Maria... in my home.
Think Ian/Blk Mrkt just wanted to share Ian's work with as many of his fans as possible. Ensuring its ebay "value" was never the intention.
It was a very brave and sincere gesture. It was NOT a greedy move to milk Ian.
I don't think Blk Mrkt is that kind of gallery, they've just release a beautiful $45 Kinsey ed of 180.
And it p*sses me off that people are angry at BLK MRKT and Ian, just because "the holding value" isn't there.
Who gives a ding dong. Great artists should have loads of prints out.
Prints* have no "resale" value , they shouldn't be treated as anything else but.
Yes, they are a vital source of income for the new artists. And for the more established ones, a way to reach out to the fans who can't afford the real thing.
They are just very expensive decorations for the walls of the rest of us.
Most of these prints would not make sense in 10 years. Like cool indie bands of the past decades, you loved them when they were first released, they gave you incredible amount of joy, but those cassettes, with autographed covers, you named as the only things (together with your Walkman) you'd bring to a deserted island 10 years ago, are now, at best, a charming novelty from the past.
Now if you own the original Master Tape of that piece of music - now that's another story all together....
All I'm saying is, when it comes to prints, enjoy it while it lasts.
*Ok. 99% of all prints have no value (How many Bacon prints do you own?)
I'm glad Blk Mrkt did what they did, because it was the only way I can have the image of In the end, Maria... in my home.
Think Ian/Blk Mrkt just wanted to share Ian's work with as many of his fans as possible. Ensuring its ebay "value" was never the intention.
It was a very brave and sincere gesture. It was NOT a greedy move to milk Ian.
I don't think Blk Mrkt is that kind of gallery, they've just release a beautiful $45 Kinsey ed of 180.
And it p*sses me off that people are angry at BLK MRKT and Ian, just because "the holding value" isn't there.
Who gives a ding dong. Great artists should have loads of prints out.
Prints* have no "resale" value , they shouldn't be treated as anything else but.
Yes, they are a vital source of income for the new artists. And for the more established ones, a way to reach out to the fans who can't afford the real thing.
They are just very expensive decorations for the walls of the rest of us.
Most of these prints would not make sense in 10 years. Like cool indie bands of the past decades, you loved them when they were first released, they gave you incredible amount of joy, but those cassettes, with autographed covers, you named as the only things (together with your Walkman) you'd bring to a deserted island 10 years ago, are now, at best, a charming novelty from the past.
Now if you own the original Master Tape of that piece of music - now that's another story all together....
All I'm saying is, when it comes to prints, enjoy it while it lasts.
*Ok. 99% of all prints have no value (How many Bacon prints do you own?)
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Photoxtc
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by Photoxtc on Aug 19, 2008 7:38:23 GMT 1, I think you missed gentlemental's point here and he couldn't be more right! God, you people really are pretentious. Have you seen any of Miro's early works? any of Bacon's? They were pretty s**t so exactly how you can so firmly state what will be relevant in 10 years time beggars belief and displays just how arrogant and clueless you are.
easy now... don't get sooo worked up, re-read the post and I think you may just undrstand what is being said...
and read gentlemental's last post, Spot on!!!
I think you missed gentlemental's point here and he couldn't be more right! God, you people really are pretentious. Have you seen any of Miro's early works? any of Bacon's? They were pretty s**t so exactly how you can so firmly state what will be relevant in 10 years time beggars belief and displays just how arrogant and clueless you are. easy now... don't get sooo worked up, re-read the post and I think you may just undrstand what is being said... and read gentlemental's last post, Spot on!!! |
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by goffy on Aug 19, 2008 7:47:14 GMT 1, I agree with gentlemental, I think Blk/Mrkt and Ian Francis were just giving people what they wanted. I remember the disappointment of people who didn't manage to bag one of the first run of prints released. As far as it devaluing the investment potential of your prints, who cares! Just be grateful you have a great image for your wall.
I agree with gentlemental, I think Blk/Mrkt and Ian Francis were just giving people what they wanted. I remember the disappointment of people who didn't manage to bag one of the first run of prints released. As far as it devaluing the investment potential of your prints, who cares! Just be grateful you have a great image for your wall.
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by weeble on Aug 19, 2008 8:09:25 GMT 1, Who cares if your print doesn't hold its value in the future?! What really does? Your Habitat sofa? That plasma TV? Why should 'prints' be any different? I've always considered the idea that prints were for those who wanted a bit of that artist on their wall but weren't in a position to buy the originals. And it's a nice touch that they come with signatures. If you wanna invest in art, you're probably better saving for the originals. As for the Ian Francis debate, I really don't think they should have swamped the market with releases - it was great fun when there was a fever about his work, people were desperately trying to get their hands on a print. It has definately had an effect on secondary market value. But as I said before, it just makes it easier for people to have a piece of that artist on their wall. And surely that's all good. Pick up one of his originals though and I think it's safe to say your 'investment' will probably be okay for the future. 
Who cares if your print doesn't hold its value in the future?! What really does? Your Habitat sofa? That plasma TV? Why should 'prints' be any different? I've always considered the idea that prints were for those who wanted a bit of that artist on their wall but weren't in a position to buy the originals. And it's a nice touch that they come with signatures. If you wanna invest in art, you're probably better saving for the originals. As for the Ian Francis debate, I really don't think they should have swamped the market with releases - it was great fun when there was a fever about his work, people were desperately trying to get their hands on a print. It has definately had an effect on secondary market value. But as I said before, it just makes it easier for people to have a piece of that artist on their wall. And surely that's all good. Pick up one of his originals though and I think it's safe to say your 'investment' will probably be okay for the future. |
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by T-Bro on Aug 19, 2008 11:13:13 GMT 1, the quick and easy answer is DONT BUY ART AS AN INVESTMENT
The value of your art may go down as well as up.... get over it.
the quick and easy answer is DONT BUY ART AS AN INVESTMENT
The value of your art may go down as well as up.... get over it.
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leumasdarnley
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by leumasdarnley on Aug 19, 2008 15:05:30 GMT 1, Well the argument has 2 valid sides BlkMrkt did there job for themselves and for Ian by striking while the iron was hot but at the expense of the secondary print market. So its easy to feel cheated but in the end it was a business move not a charitable one. The other very valid point is that buying art as an investment the same with any investment has a level of risk that you need to accept before purchasing. But in the end its up to the artist to keep the ball rolling by putting on strong shows. That obviously will increase exposure and demand if Ian has a smoking show in September and no new prints are released the buzz will be back and people will be pissed off they didn't buy a print from the last release. Back and forth back and forth a few months back arguments were made that there should be no price difference between signed and unsigned Banksy prints. Now that he has cooled off for a bit people are questioning the value at all of unsigned prints. Hype is the only variable here I woulds guess that Ian will sell out his show before it opens so was there any real harm done???
Well the argument has 2 valid sides BlkMrkt did there job for themselves and for Ian by striking while the iron was hot but at the expense of the secondary print market. So its easy to feel cheated but in the end it was a business move not a charitable one. The other very valid point is that buying art as an investment the same with any investment has a level of risk that you need to accept before purchasing. But in the end its up to the artist to keep the ball rolling by putting on strong shows. That obviously will increase exposure and demand if Ian has a smoking show in September and no new prints are released the buzz will be back and people will be pissed off they didn't buy a print from the last release. Back and forth back and forth a few months back arguments were made that there should be no price difference between signed and unsigned Banksy prints. Now that he has cooled off for a bit people are questioning the value at all of unsigned prints. Hype is the only variable here I woulds guess that Ian will sell out his show before it opens so was there any real harm done???
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by weeble on Aug 19, 2008 16:02:10 GMT 1, Who cares? I care. By the sounds of things you have better paid jobs than me and so don't need to worry about your art holding its value but I do as I have mouths to feed and bills to pay and can't afford to lose over ยฃ1000 in art. I would not have bought the prints if I knew that would be the case, I love them but can't afford that kind of loss. I would love to buy an original as I don't doubt that they will hold their value but given that I can't I won't be buying anything from BLK MRKT again because I can't afford for the same thing to happen. There is an element of trust between a gallery and its collectors which several of you don't seem to understand which leads me to believe that you have been collecting art for a very short period of time. I don't mean that to sound pretentious but I can't understand how you can be so naive as to normal art practises and how galleries need to respect their customer's buying otherwise there won't be any as has been witnessed by the latest Francis print release which still hsan't sold out and is proof that they messed up.
Sorry but I feel if you have mouths to feed and bills to pay, then squandering your hard earnt cash on art might not be a wise move. Lets face it, buying any kind of art is a luxury. I'm not loaded, but if I was struggling, I certainly wouldn't go out and buy some art! Not least because I'm sure my wife would kill me!
If you want to make a good business out of buying and selling, then that's different. Good luck. Speak to the right people and do it the right way.
Who cares? I care. By the sounds of things you have better paid jobs than me and so don't need to worry about your art holding its value but I do as I have mouths to feed and bills to pay and can't afford to lose over ยฃ1000 in art. I would not have bought the prints if I knew that would be the case, I love them but can't afford that kind of loss. I would love to buy an original as I don't doubt that they will hold their value but given that I can't I won't be buying anything from BLK MRKT again because I can't afford for the same thing to happen. There is an element of trust between a gallery and its collectors which several of you don't seem to understand which leads me to believe that you have been collecting art for a very short period of time. I don't mean that to sound pretentious but I can't understand how you can be so naive as to normal art practises and how galleries need to respect their customer's buying otherwise there won't be any as has been witnessed by the latest Francis print release which still hsan't sold out and is proof that they messed up. Sorry but I feel if you have mouths to feed and bills to pay, then squandering your hard earnt cash on art might not be a wise move. Lets face it, buying any kind of art is a luxury. I'm not loaded, but if I was struggling, I certainly wouldn't go out and buy some art! Not least because I'm sure my wife would kill me! If you want to make a good business out of buying and selling, then that's different. Good luck. Speak to the right people and do it the right way. |
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 19, 2008 16:09:53 GMT 1, Simon is 100% correct. If you have any type of experiences with reputable fine art galleries they would never do what blk/mrkt did. Lack of transparency, devaluing a clients collection, "Simply giving what the people want" haha. Thats a big fat "F" in a gallery 101 course.
Simon is 100% correct. If you have any type of experiences with reputable fine art galleries they would never do what blk/mrkt did. Lack of transparency, devaluing a clients collection, "Simply giving what the people want" haha. Thats a big fat "F" in a gallery 101 course.
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 19, 2008 16:12:01 GMT 1, POW should just release 5000 of each banksy print they ever made. Isn't this what the people want? I'm sure thats ok with the current banksy owners...
POW should just release 5000 of each banksy print they ever made. Isn't this what the people want? I'm sure thats ok with the current banksy owners...
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Gentle Mental
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by Gentle Mental on Aug 19, 2008 17:15:33 GMT 1, POW should hold back Banksy's prints for as long as it takes for the crowd to get into a crazy frenzy, so, at the moment of release, they'd click BUY for a large ed unsigned at an obscene amount each, on impulse.
wait a minute... they're doing that with Festivals and Sales End!
point is, there are many many cool stuff on Banksy's and Micallef's sites that could've been prints for the rest of us, but are not, mostly due to selfish monetary reasons....
Not very "street" I'd say...
POW should hold back Banksy's prints for as long as it takes for the crowd to get into a crazy frenzy, so, at the moment of release, they'd click BUY for a large ed unsigned at an obscene amount each, on impulse. wait a minute... they're doing that with Festivals and Sales End! point is, there are many many cool stuff on Banksy's and Micallef's sites that could've been prints for the rest of us, but are not, mostly due to selfish monetary reasons.... Not very "street" I'd say... |
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by Happy Shopper on Aug 19, 2008 17:37:46 GMT 1, 2 sides to every story.
I think this is a very tricky subject. Retaining an artists value VS supply and demand.
POW may not have printed 5000 banksy's, but the man in the market has! So buy one of those if you don't care to much for the value.
Which artists will be talked about in Art History books in 10 years? We'll have to see!
There's only a handful that I think have made a serious mark on the scene/culture with individual style or concept.
2 sides to every story.
I think this is a very tricky subject. Retaining an artists value VS supply and demand.
POW may not have printed 5000 banksy's, but the man in the market has! So buy one of those if you don't care to much for the value.
Which artists will be talked about in Art History books in 10 years? We'll have to see!
There's only a handful that I think have made a serious mark on the scene/culture with individual style or concept.
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 19, 2008 17:48:56 GMT 1, 2 sides to every story. I think this is a very tricky subject. Retaining an artists value VS supply and demand.
Sorry, gallery-collector relationships is all about valuation. Basic fundamental in gallery development...
If they wanna appease the masses charge $75 and mass produce them...
2 sides to every story. I think this is a very tricky subject. Retaining an artists value VS supply and demand. Sorry, gallery-collector relationships is all about valuation. Basic fundamental in gallery development... If they wanna appease the masses charge $75 and mass produce them... |
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Will BLK MRKT act sensibly with Ian Francis?, by Happy Shopper on Aug 19, 2008 18:42:40 GMT 1, ^ Bit elitist for "Street Art" though ?
Old Shep Fairey turns them out for $50 yet's a bigger artist than many selling for $500.
^ Bit elitist for "Street Art" though ?
Old Shep Fairey turns them out for $50 yet's a bigger artist than many selling for $500.
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