leumasdarnley
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by leumasdarnley on Apr 4, 2008 10:24:37 GMT 1, This has been bothering me for a while so I would like to get a good response from the forum on what happened to Ian Francis. I understand that nothing actually happened but people are dumping his works for cost even some of the editions of 25 are being sold for what I think are embarrassing prices. A wonderful edition at BlkMrkt has gone unsold. New artists selling out and not a talk about who I consider to be one of the finest Artists in the scene. I am just looking for everyones opinion on this. Don't just say the quality of the prints were poor because thats bullshit quality paper quality prints. Just seems like the guy fell off the radar too expensive, too what? 
This has been bothering me for a while so I would like to get a good response from the forum on what happened to Ian Francis. I understand that nothing actually happened but people are dumping his works for cost even some of the editions of 25 are being sold for what I think are embarrassing prices. A wonderful edition at BlkMrkt has gone unsold. New artists selling out and not a talk about who I consider to be one of the finest Artists in the scene. I am just looking for everyones opinion on this. Don't just say the quality of the prints were poor because thats bullshit quality paper quality prints. Just seems like the guy fell off the radar too expensive, too what? |
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spencerlee
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by spencerlee on Apr 4, 2008 10:29:39 GMT 1, Not fashionable any more? I think with the rush of people buying Street Art either to invest in (because of the Banksy effect), or -maybe a minority these days  -because they like it, he has been left behind.
I don't know. That's my guess.
Not fashionable any more? I think with the rush of people buying Street Art either to invest in (because of the Banksy effect), or -maybe a minority these days -because they like it, he has been left behind. I don't know. That's my guess. |
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spencerlee
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by spencerlee on Apr 4, 2008 10:31:06 GMT 1, Oh, I think his work is stunning as well BTW, and it's a shame if he's not selling.
Oh, I think his work is stunning as well BTW, and it's a shame if he's not selling.
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by manchestermike on Apr 4, 2008 10:32:40 GMT 1, I think an original would be lovely, I wasn't overly enamoured with the prints I got though
I think an original would be lovely, I wasn't overly enamoured with the prints I got though
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njr911
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by njr911 on Apr 4, 2008 10:32:46 GMT 1, I think the show with Laz should help things along, I guess he's just preparing for that.
Quality will out !
I think the show with Laz should help things along, I guess he's just preparing for that.
Quality will out !
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Cocteau 101
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by Cocteau 101 on Apr 4, 2008 10:33:44 GMT 1, I don't get the Ian Francis thing. He has talent which seems to be being overlooked. He has big shows lined up for later in the year at Blk Mkt and Laz so I believe and had also heard he had then something big in the pipeline. So who knows.
Maybe for once it is just a case of an artist maturing slowly which may well be good for his career long term.
Bet your bottom dollar if positive news comes out the prints won't be around for long and everyone will be claiming they've been into him for years.
I don't get the Ian Francis thing. He has talent which seems to be being overlooked. He has big shows lined up for later in the year at Blk Mkt and Laz so I believe and had also heard he had then something big in the pipeline. So who knows.
Maybe for once it is just a case of an artist maturing slowly which may well be good for his career long term.
Bet your bottom dollar if positive news comes out the prints won't be around for long and everyone will be claiming they've been into him for years.
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biggayal
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by biggayal on Apr 4, 2008 10:35:10 GMT 1, I like some of his pieces but don't like all of it - same as most artists really. I think the nail was hit on the head when you said he's gone out of fashion....temporarily I think! Maybe it has got something to do with the 'Street Art' trend - can't see it though...
I like some of his pieces but don't like all of it - same as most artists really. I think the nail was hit on the head when you said he's gone out of fashion....temporarily I think! Maybe it has got something to do with the 'Street Art' trend - can't see it though...
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by Guest on Apr 4, 2008 10:35:55 GMT 1, not enough guns or tanks in his works? maybe his work is too contemporary for the trendy street art scene?
I do like his work BTW
not enough guns or tanks in his works? maybe his work is too contemporary for the trendy street art scene?
I do like his work BTW
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leumasdarnley
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by leumasdarnley on Apr 4, 2008 10:37:42 GMT 1, I think an original would be lovely, I wasn't overly enamoured with the prints I got though
Which ones Mike sorry just curious what you saw.
I think an original would be lovely, I wasn't overly enamoured with the prints I got though Which ones Mike sorry just curious what you saw. |
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bert
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by bert on Apr 4, 2008 10:39:48 GMT 1, I really like his work, but these days, there is a lot of good stuff out there for competitive prices. I would dive in if his prices were a tiny bit cheaper.
I really like his work, but these days, there is a lot of good stuff out there for competitive prices. I would dive in if his prices were a tiny bit cheaper.
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by manchestermike on Apr 4, 2008 10:41:39 GMT 1, I think an original would be lovely, I wasn't overly enamoured with the prints I got though Which ones Mike sorry just curious what you saw.
I had the first black market set of 50 - two people spend the day in the snow and the other 3 in that set
I think an original would be lovely, I wasn't overly enamoured with the prints I got though Which ones Mike sorry just curious what you saw. I had the first black market set of 50 - two people spend the day in the snow and the other 3 in that set |
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lastpost
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by lastpost on Apr 4, 2008 11:13:15 GMT 1, I think as Mike said - some of his work does not come across as well in print form.
There is not the depth that an original has. Some do work though!
Also - I think they are fairly expensive, expecially with shipping and tax.
Not flippable?
I think as Mike said - some of his work does not come across as well in print form.
There is not the depth that an original has. Some do work though!
Also - I think they are fairly expensive, expecially with shipping and tax.
Not flippable?
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spirit
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by spirit on Apr 4, 2008 11:14:11 GMT 1, I think as usual it has to do with flipperbility. When the first editions of 25 came out they were really sought after and were flipped for at least 2x cost. But then the second edition of 50 was released and that stopped the flipping of the first lot as people could get them for cost again. After seeing what happened to prices on the first lot many of the second lot were bought to flip but shortly afterwards the 3rd lot came out which completely killed the flippability of the second lot. flippers who bought the second lot were burned so stayed clear of the 3rd lot. And if something can't be flipped it generally doesn't sell out quickly no matter how good it is - eg matt small etc etc etc
The non-flipper market is surprisingly small. I honestly think flippers make up 80% of the market.
I think as usual it has to do with flipperbility. When the first editions of 25 came out they were really sought after and were flipped for at least 2x cost. But then the second edition of 50 was released and that stopped the flipping of the first lot as people could get them for cost again. After seeing what happened to prices on the first lot many of the second lot were bought to flip but shortly afterwards the 3rd lot came out which completely killed the flippability of the second lot. flippers who bought the second lot were burned so stayed clear of the 3rd lot. And if something can't be flipped it generally doesn't sell out quickly no matter how good it is - eg matt small etc etc etc
The non-flipper market is surprisingly small. I honestly think flippers make up 80% of the market.
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spirit
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by spirit on Apr 4, 2008 11:16:01 GMT 1, I also think the 3rd lot is the weakest of the 3.
I also think the 3rd lot is the weakest of the 3.
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dotdot
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by dotdot on Apr 4, 2008 11:16:23 GMT 1, I'm sure he'll be back - not sure how or if the market
will have moved on... however.
If it has then - the flippers will be gone and those who
want his work - can partake ... if they can afford it.(not
forgetting the postage (ouch!) )
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I'm sure he'll be back - not sure how or if the market
will have moved on... however.
If it has then - the flippers will be gone and those who
want his work - can partake ... if they can afford it.(not
forgetting the postage (ouch!) )
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lastpost
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by lastpost on Apr 4, 2008 11:19:58 GMT 1, Does Francis really fit into the 'Banksy' market?
I don't particularly think so.
Does Francis really fit into the 'Banksy' market?
I don't particularly think so.
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spirit
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by spirit on Apr 4, 2008 11:33:17 GMT 1, My wife also thought they were a bit sleazy! - lots of girls only wearing knickers etc
My wife also thought they were a bit sleazy! - lots of girls only wearing knickers etc
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by manchestermike on Apr 4, 2008 11:34:08 GMT 1, I think he was hyped up by a few people to be the next Micallef  and it looks like that might have been about right 
How do you mean?
I think he was hyped up by a few people to be the next Micallef and it looks like that might have been about right How do you mean? |
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pezlow
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by pezlow on Apr 4, 2008 11:38:28 GMT 1, I think he was hyped up by a few people to be the next Micallef and it looks like that might have been about right
I don't really see the comparison Silky. Micallef's work is nothing like Ian Francis' work.
Agree about the flippability issue. However good something is if it can't be flipped it won't sell out.
I think he was hyped up by a few people to be the next Micallef and it looks like that might have been about right I don't really see the comparison Silky. Micallef's work is nothing like Ian Francis' work. Agree about the flippability issue. However good something is if it can't be flipped it won't sell out. |
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Cocteau 101
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by Cocteau 101 on Apr 4, 2008 11:39:00 GMT 1, If he is going to be the next Micallef his work will be worth a fortune then in 5 years.
If he is going to be the next Micallef his work will be worth a fortune then in 5 years.
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lastpost
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by lastpost on Apr 4, 2008 11:40:36 GMT 1, I think he was hyped up by a few people to be the next Micallef and it looks like that might have been about right
Get off my forum
Next Micallef - quality then?
I think he was hyped up by a few people to be the next Micallef and it looks like that might have been about right Get off my forum Next Micallef - quality then? |
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robinbanks
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by robinbanks on Apr 4, 2008 12:03:56 GMT 1, I bought the "Paris..." print off a forum member not so long ago for a very good price. Fucking stunning print - worth every penny!
I bought the "Paris..." print off a forum member not so long ago for a very good price. Fucking stunning print - worth every penny!
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by Gallery My Arse on Apr 4, 2008 12:08:16 GMT 1, His works are the strongest I have on my walls alongside Adam Neate's. I think his prints are a bargain price and now is a great time to buy as the shows he has lined up this year will push him further into the public eye. And if anybody out there has a Devouring Bunny for sale, drop me a line...
His works are the strongest I have on my walls alongside Adam Neate's. I think his prints are a bargain price and now is a great time to buy as the shows he has lined up this year will push him further into the public eye. And if anybody out there has a Devouring Bunny for sale, drop me a line...
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uksnowman
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by uksnowman on Apr 4, 2008 12:11:35 GMT 1, Good points by Cocteau and others. It must be a good thing that not every artist is exploding overnight. I haven't been lucky enough to see an original but most of the prints I've seen compare in quality with some of the bigger names on the scene (even though his style may be different).
I share the view that the flip factor is quite low on his prints given the high shipping cost. I'm happy to pick up a few below cost if anyone wants to get rid 
Good points by Cocteau and others. It must be a good thing that not every artist is exploding overnight. I haven't been lucky enough to see an original but most of the prints I've seen compare in quality with some of the bigger names on the scene (even though his style may be different). I share the view that the flip factor is quite low on his prints given the high shipping cost. I'm happy to pick up a few below cost if anyone wants to get rid |
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artyfarty
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by artyfarty on Apr 4, 2008 12:16:42 GMT 1, I quite agree. He's a a superb artist and in months to come people will be remembering fondly the times they could pick up his works at cost price. It's all about the lurkers and flippers who didn't get huge profits on the second release of 50.
I quite agree. He's a a superb artist and in months to come people will be remembering fondly the times they could pick up his works at cost price. It's all about the lurkers and flippers who didn't get huge profits on the second release of 50.
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by top on Apr 4, 2008 12:20:08 GMT 1, Ian will bounce back up the ladder soon enough!!, his Original work is quality imho..and I know many of you agree wholeheartedly.
Prints, no matter whom prints them, will never convey the complexities/texture/subtleties back to the viewer I believe.
Agree with cocteau101 also (a queue for suckin Ian's c@ck will stretch around the block upon a new show/release etc), its a wait and see.. tbh, Ian may be just plain chillin'..or painting like a demon..
I for one will buy an Ian Francis if I like it, moreover, I'd love a commission or an original, but money dictates I can only afford prints at this point in time. That seems to be key for a lot of people it seems, 'making do' rather than buying what they like in the hope of scoring ยฃ$.
Anyway, I digress! ..truth is, us talking about Ian will only raise the value of our pieces from him so great!!
I personally, am really looking foward to his future offerings and hope I have sufficient funds to grace my walls!!
2p and out..
Ian will bounce back up the ladder soon enough!!, his Original work is quality imho..and I know many of you agree wholeheartedly.
Prints, no matter whom prints them, will never convey the complexities/texture/subtleties back to the viewer I believe.
Agree with cocteau101 also (a queue for suckin Ian's c@ck will stretch around the block upon a new show/release etc), its a wait and see.. tbh, Ian may be just plain chillin'..or painting like a demon..
I for one will buy an Ian Francis if I like it, moreover, I'd love a commission or an original, but money dictates I can only afford prints at this point in time. That seems to be key for a lot of people it seems, 'making do' rather than buying what they like in the hope of scoring ยฃ$.
Anyway, I digress! ..truth is, us talking about Ian will only raise the value of our pieces from him so great!!
I personally, am really looking foward to his future offerings and hope I have sufficient funds to grace my walls!!
2p and out..
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by mcnuts on Apr 4, 2008 12:43:30 GMT 1, the work is still out there, still really strong for those who dig it, just no cash to be made in a quick flip.
the work is still out there, still really strong for those who dig it, just no cash to be made in a quick flip.
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by top on Apr 4, 2008 12:45:28 GMT 1, the work is still out there, still really strong for those who dig it, just no cash to be made in a quick flip.
very true
the work is still out there, still really strong for those who dig it, just no cash to be made in a quick flip. very true |
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barry cilit
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What Happened to Ian Francis?, by barry cilit on Apr 4, 2008 12:46:50 GMT 1, I find his images a bit boring in comparison to others.
I find his images a bit boring in comparison to others. |
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-because they like it, he has been left behind.
and it looks like that might have been about right 
