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Fragile
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by Fragile on Sept 19, 2008 14:22:22 GMT 1, some great pieces at Bonhams. Love the toxic mary and the original turf war.
some great pieces at Bonhams. Love the toxic mary and the original turf war.
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pfffffffffft
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by pfffffffffft on Sept 19, 2008 14:27:16 GMT 1, Jesus, huge D*face pop tart canvas...wow!
Jesus, huge D*face pop tart canvas...wow!
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ians
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by James Smith 77 on Sept 19, 2008 14:39:04 GMT 1, Cool group of items. But I get a strange unemotional felling when I browsed the catalogue. Sort of like "these image again".
Cool group of items. But I get a strange unemotional felling when I browsed the catalogue. Sort of like "these image again".
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by manty on Sept 19, 2008 14:45:39 GMT 1, Cool group of items. But I get a strange unemotional felling when I browsed the catalogue. Sort of like "these image again".
same as that
I'd like skankys jackson though :-)
Cool group of items. But I get a strange unemotional felling when I browsed the catalogue. Sort of like "these image again". same as that I'd like skankys jackson though :-)
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Rude Copper
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by Rude Copper on Sept 19, 2008 14:51:29 GMT 1, some good stuff, love banksy's girl with ice cream, love some of the boards too, mau mau's & especially polly morgan's
some good stuff, love banksy's girl with ice cream, love some of the boards too, mau mau's & especially polly morgan's
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digdog
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by digdog on Sept 19, 2008 15:00:17 GMT 1, Wasn't that Banksy police car the one where the girl who had split up with her boyfriend was on the fourm trying to see if it was worth anything? If so, it's interesting to see the conclusion of the saga...
Wonder if she splits the proceeds with her ex
Wasn't that Banksy police car the one where the girl who had split up with her boyfriend was on the fourm trying to see if it was worth anything? If so, it's interesting to see the conclusion of the saga... Wonder if she splits the proceeds with her ex
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by rosstierney on Sept 19, 2008 15:07:26 GMT 1, bonhams have seriously upped their game
bonhams have seriously upped their game
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by rosstierney on Sept 19, 2008 15:14:27 GMT 1,
acrylic on board, 36.5 x 25.5cm, estimate: ยฃ1,000 - ยฃ1,500
acrylic on board, 36.5 x 25.5cm, estimate: ยฃ1,000 - ยฃ1,500
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by Daniel Silk on Sept 19, 2008 15:32:19 GMT 1, That Neate should go for 5 or 6 times that ;D
That Neate should go for 5 or 6 times that ;D
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by dogant on Sept 19, 2008 15:46:07 GMT 1, Just received a Dreweatts sale catalougue through the post today - great news - its free!
I guess I am on the mailing list as I attended the last auction and signed up to bid (although I did not buy anything)!
So - if you are going to Drewetts - sign up - you'll get a free catalouge next time!
PS - Where has the Banksy Crude Oil canvas gone - looks like its not for sale anymore.
Just received a Dreweatts sale catalougue through the post today - great news - its free!
I guess I am on the mailing list as I attended the last auction and signed up to bid (although I did not buy anything)!
So - if you are going to Drewetts - sign up - you'll get a free catalouge next time!
PS - Where has the Banksy Crude Oil canvas gone - looks like its not for sale anymore.
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Cocteau 101
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by Cocteau 101 on Sept 19, 2008 15:48:49 GMT 1, Cool group of items. But I get a strange unemotional felling when I browsed the catalogue. Sort of like "these image again". same as that I'd like skankys jackson though :-)
Amazed that's in there to be honest.
Cool group of items. But I get a strange unemotional felling when I browsed the catalogue. Sort of like "these image again". same as that I'd like skankys jackson though :-) Amazed that's in there to be honest.
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jakek
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by jakek on Sept 19, 2008 16:04:53 GMT 1, The Micallef "Girl with Balloons" at Bonhams is just stunning. Does anyone know how much his canvases used to go for back when the prints were on eyestorm? (just trying to reassure myself i'd have never been able to afford it even back then!)
The Micallef "Girl with Balloons" at Bonhams is just stunning. Does anyone know how much his canvases used to go for back when the prints were on eyestorm? (just trying to reassure myself i'd have never been able to afford it even back then!)
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by daz205 on Sept 19, 2008 16:07:55 GMT 1, we come in peace at the drewetts auction est ยฃ800-ยฃ1200 bargain
we come in peace at the drewetts auction est ยฃ800-ยฃ1200 bargain
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Ruggs
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by Ruggs on Sept 19, 2008 16:12:01 GMT 1, The Bonham's auction is full of amazing Banksy's. Wow! Quite a few wicked Adam Neate's as well!
The Bonham's auction is full of amazing Banksy's. Wow! Quite a few wicked Adam Neate's as well!
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solar77
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by solar77 on Sept 19, 2008 16:14:05 GMT 1, Serious stuff in the Bonhams auction. The Choe and Lister are nice pieces at those estimates.
Serious stuff in the Bonhams auction. The Choe and Lister are nice pieces at those estimates.
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by alsbabar on Sept 19, 2008 16:20:39 GMT 1, page 86 & 87 dogant
page 86 & 87 dogant
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by snausages on Sept 19, 2008 16:24:45 GMT 1, I felt some of the Bonham's estimates looked a bit low dunt ya think? Always the cheerleader Now I know our precious street art is just "priceless" but seriously, prices aren't low considering the age & stature of most of these guys. Anyway if they spike the water again and it goes nuts it will make for better headlines to exclaim that everything went 50% over estimates.
Those Faile boxes are really weak, the Parla is small and everything else I might care about seemed fairly well estimated actually high by my take. I mean that Smoking Silence painting estimated at ยฃ10000-ยฃ15000. I'm pretty sure that's the same one or one on wood just like that sold on ebay a year or two ago for about ยฃ1200. Don't seem that low to me.
I felt some of the Bonham's estimates looked a bit low dunt ya think? Always the cheerleader Now I know our precious street art is just "priceless" but seriously, prices aren't low considering the age & stature of most of these guys. Anyway if they spike the water again and it goes nuts it will make for better headlines to exclaim that everything went 50% over estimates. Those Faile boxes are really weak, the Parla is small and everything else I might care about seemed fairly well estimated actually high by my take. I mean that Smoking Silence painting estimated at ยฃ10000-ยฃ15000. I'm pretty sure that's the same one or one on wood just like that sold on ebay a year or two ago for about ยฃ1200. Don't seem that low to me.
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lee3
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by lee3 on Sept 19, 2008 16:24:56 GMT 1, >>>I felt some of the Bonham's estimates looked a bit low dunt ya think? <<<
Certainly not this one
www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&screen=lotdetailsNoFlash&iSaleItemNo=3898911&iSaleNo=16484&iSaleSectionNo=1
which is smaller (60cm square) than one that is very similarly colored that was for sale at Christie's on July 2nd measuring 76cm square and was bought in with a low estimate of 30k pounds sterling. They are both from the same year (2000) but this one is estimated on the low end at a 66% premium to a larger one bought in 2.5 months ago? What gives? To me, that's VERY aggressive pricing on this particular lot (most look good admittedly) but the house and the seller both better hope that pound weakness and Banksy's presence in the news from NOLA carries a BIG premium. It just amazes me today, in the information age, that auction houses do this or it shows you the length that they are willing to go to try to capture market share. To an educated eye, this is silly. My apologies if the seller is on this board as I don't mean to pick on an individual but I do believe it's worth while to highlight inconsistencies in the art market when they occur because the best thing for this market long term is to remain as transparent as possible. I'm all ears and admittedly not an expert on this composition but why in the world is this one worth nearly double on the low end what one just passed for? I've had my eye on this lot since they released the preview and this was on the cover about a day after one passed at Christies.
>>>I felt some of the Bonham's estimates looked a bit low dunt ya think? <<< Certainly not this one www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&screen=lotdetailsNoFlash&iSaleItemNo=3898911&iSaleNo=16484&iSaleSectionNo=1which is smaller (60cm square) than one that is very similarly colored that was for sale at Christie's on July 2nd measuring 76cm square and was bought in with a low estimate of 30k pounds sterling. They are both from the same year (2000) but this one is estimated on the low end at a 66% premium to a larger one bought in 2.5 months ago? What gives? To me, that's VERY aggressive pricing on this particular lot (most look good admittedly) but the house and the seller both better hope that pound weakness and Banksy's presence in the news from NOLA carries a BIG premium. It just amazes me today, in the information age, that auction houses do this or it shows you the length that they are willing to go to try to capture market share. To an educated eye, this is silly. My apologies if the seller is on this board as I don't mean to pick on an individual but I do believe it's worth while to highlight inconsistencies in the art market when they occur because the best thing for this market long term is to remain as transparent as possible. I'm all ears and admittedly not an expert on this composition but why in the world is this one worth nearly double on the low end what one just passed for? I've had my eye on this lot since they released the preview and this was on the cover about a day after one passed at Christies.
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by dogant on Sept 19, 2008 16:25:28 GMT 1,
alsbabar - that makes me look like a right c0ck!
Thanks - I see it now!
alsbabar - that makes me look like a right c0ck! Thanks - I see it now!
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rrrich
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by rrrich on Sept 19, 2008 16:47:30 GMT 1, the 1st parla print at bonhams will surely go for a damn site more than ยฃ600 - ยฃ800. much nicer than the one that went on ebay recently. same low estimate for that one given the 2k it went for on ebay.
the 1st parla print at bonhams will surely go for a damn site more than ยฃ600 - ยฃ800. much nicer than the one that went on ebay recently. same low estimate for that one given the 2k it went for on ebay.
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by giiiant on Sept 19, 2008 16:48:26 GMT 1, why does everyone keep submitting stuff to these things? stop it dammit im trying to get a good collection going and youre ruining it all by artificially inflating prices with these fancy auction thingies
why does everyone keep submitting stuff to these things? stop it dammit im trying to get a good collection going and youre ruining it all by artificially inflating prices with these fancy auction thingies
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by giiiant on Sept 19, 2008 16:52:13 GMT 1, does the buying and reselling of originals in periods of weeks rather than years happen in the real art world as well? not being sassy, genuine question
does the buying and reselling of originals in periods of weeks rather than years happen in the real art world as well? not being sassy, genuine question
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by giiiant on Sept 19, 2008 16:58:17 GMT 1, im not gonna lie though it is enjoyable zooming in on pieces you would never see otherwise
that word to mother panel is glorious
im done now
im not gonna lie though it is enjoyable zooming in on pieces you would never see otherwise
that word to mother panel is glorious
im done now
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by snausages on Sept 19, 2008 17:00:02 GMT 1, Yeah I know, if something sells for 20Gs at Bonhams the seller takes home less than 15Gs Bonhams takes home over 5Gs. Now everything that sells through an auctions house has about 30% of total fluff value added to it.
And yes, I've noticed that people in contemporary art are flipping stuff at a pretty quick rate sometimes too. I'm not sure if this is a recent phenomenon but it seems like it.
And ยฃ2k for a small Parla print? Better you than me.
Yeah I know, if something sells for 20Gs at Bonhams the seller takes home less than 15Gs Bonhams takes home over 5Gs. Now everything that sells through an auctions house has about 30% of total fluff value added to it. And yes, I've noticed that people in contemporary art are flipping stuff at a pretty quick rate sometimes too. I'm not sure if this is a recent phenomenon but it seems like it. And ยฃ2k for a small Parla print? Better you than me.
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lee3
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by lee3 on Sept 19, 2008 17:06:30 GMT 1, >>>Now everything that sells through an auctions house has about 30% of total fluff value added to it. <<<
I certainly don't look at it that way. Auctions show the rest of us what the world is prepared to pay for an item. You're correct in that the seller will net (before taxes) at best 75% of the price on most lots and more often than not 70% or less but from my vantage point, it's certainly not "fluff." It just shows one and all what the market is willing to bear for a piece of art.
>>>Now everything that sells through an auctions house has about 30% of total fluff value added to it. <<<
I certainly don't look at it that way. Auctions show the rest of us what the world is prepared to pay for an item. You're correct in that the seller will net (before taxes) at best 75% of the price on most lots and more often than not 70% or less but from my vantage point, it's certainly not "fluff." It just shows one and all what the market is willing to bear for a piece of art.
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by snausages on Sept 19, 2008 17:21:40 GMT 1, Auctions show the rest of us what the world is prepared to pay for an item. Perspective I guess. It's like the housing market, lots of people bought houses with the sole intention to resell. Every time a house is sold a lot of fees are usually incurred, especially if you're not paying 100% cash. Those fees in my perspective add 'fluff' or in my opinion completely unsubstantiated cost to the house without adding any real value to it. It's part of the reason the housing market has tanked, this is kind of how I see the art market, especially stuff that is being resold rather quickly. It's hard to say how much a nice Rembrandt might fetch, but I think much of the stuff in this auction has settled. It's just reshuffling for Bonhams gain.
Auctions show the rest of us what the world is prepared to pay for an item. Perspective I guess. It's like the housing market, lots of people bought houses with the sole intention to resell. Every time a house is sold a lot of fees are usually incurred, especially if you're not paying 100% cash. Those fees in my perspective add 'fluff' or in my opinion completely unsubstantiated cost to the house without adding any real value to it. It's part of the reason the housing market has tanked, this is kind of how I see the art market, especially stuff that is being resold rather quickly. It's hard to say how much a nice Rembrandt might fetch, but I think much of the stuff in this auction has settled. It's just reshuffling for Bonhams gain.
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