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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by jboy on Aug 26, 2007 12:56:38 GMT 1, I wouldn't argue against the technology used to reproduce the original, I'd argue against the concept that it needs to be reproduced for anything other than documentation purposes at all. There are very few if any artists apart from Gilbert and George, Hockney, Kennard etc, that I know of who are engaging with the Ink Jet as a medium relevant to either the form or content of the work produced. I'm presuming that artists use the best method to express what they have to say, sometimes paint, photography, screenprint whatever, but generally, how to reproduce the work isn't an issue. We've had methods of reproducing work that isn't suitable for screens for years. It's called a potograph. People used to buy photographic prints of old masters to dot around the house. A Giclee is an extension of this, and in my opinion, shouldn't be discussed in the same way that a handpulled screenprint is created. A vast amount of screenprints are created specifically for the medium. Artists pour years of time into getting one print right, Chuck Close for example. When artists start using this technology and pushing it into new areas for the specific purpose of creating a work for that medium, then I'll start thinking it's something more than an expensive poster/edition market, driven by the industry, and not really required by the artist. But I guess the prices of the machines will have to come down a bit before that happens  good points and subject but not what is currently being discussed here regarding Ian Francis giclee prints and their value as replications of his original works vs screenprints. many screenprints are created from other works not originally intended for the medium of a hand pulled print as well - but hey this conversation makes me feel like i'm back in art school! blech
It is a very cheap way of producing reproductions. I am not saying the print is cheap - you can get some extremely good papers and colour matches on the epson printers, but there is no way this medium will ever be better than screen purely because of the way the ink interacts with the stock.
Screenprints can take days to dry and then you have to repeat the process on the next layers. You will never see any prints with grads running through them on screens as that is not possible - but you will on 'giclee' like that grads running through the ian francis stuff. This is probably one good side to 'giclee' printing but apart from that there is about 4 days less effort in each one.
I wouldn't argue against the technology used to reproduce the original, I'd argue against the concept that it needs to be reproduced for anything other than documentation purposes at all. There are very few if any artists apart from Gilbert and George, Hockney, Kennard etc, that I know of who are engaging with the Ink Jet as a medium relevant to either the form or content of the work produced. I'm presuming that artists use the best method to express what they have to say, sometimes paint, photography, screenprint whatever, but generally, how to reproduce the work isn't an issue. We've had methods of reproducing work that isn't suitable for screens for years. It's called a potograph. People used to buy photographic prints of old masters to dot around the house. A Giclee is an extension of this, and in my opinion, shouldn't be discussed in the same way that a handpulled screenprint is created. A vast amount of screenprints are created specifically for the medium. Artists pour years of time into getting one print right, Chuck Close for example. When artists start using this technology and pushing it into new areas for the specific purpose of creating a work for that medium, then I'll start thinking it's something more than an expensive poster/edition market, driven by the industry, and not really required by the artist. But I guess the prices of the machines will have to come down a bit before that happens good points and subject but not what is currently being discussed here regarding Ian Francis giclee prints and their value as replications of his original works vs screenprints. many screenprints are created from other works not originally intended for the medium of a hand pulled print as well - but hey this conversation makes me feel like i'm back in art school! blech It is a very cheap way of producing reproductions. I am not saying the print is cheap - you can get some extremely good papers and colour matches on the epson printers, but there is no way this medium will ever be better than screen purely because of the way the ink interacts with the stock. Screenprints can take days to dry and then you have to repeat the process on the next layers. You will never see any prints with grads running through them on screens as that is not possible - but you will on 'giclee' like that grads running through the ian francis stuff. This is probably one good side to 'giclee' printing but apart from that there is about 4 days less effort in each one. |
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by BMG on Aug 26, 2007 12:57:40 GMT 1, hi - it doesn't seem like you yet understand the reasons behind each method. it's not like picking sides or flavors of candy - there are specific and valid reasons for both methods of reproduction. I understand the methods for giclee. 1. load the paper 2. press print I work with printing processes everyday including Litho, Flexo, Grav and screen. Giclee would in professional terms be described as a 'DIGITAL PRINT'. There is no expertise that goes into it apart from checking the colours are right on the screen to what it prints out. Once that is ok your ok to go. Digital inks have a shorter shelf life than others, partly due to the fact the colours are made out of vegetable oil based inks and not spirit based inks and if kept in a room with any source of light - will fade over a period of 1 - 2 years quite dramatically. J
as others have stated, it is apples and oranges. 'expertise' is not the issue of the matter - it's about what you want in the end. if you dont want a glicee, don't buy one! :0)
hi - it doesn't seem like you yet understand the reasons behind each method. it's not like picking sides or flavors of candy - there are specific and valid reasons for both methods of reproduction. I understand the methods for giclee. 1. load the paper 2. press print I work with printing processes everyday including Litho, Flexo, Grav and screen. Giclee would in professional terms be described as a 'DIGITAL PRINT'. There is no expertise that goes into it apart from checking the colours are right on the screen to what it prints out. Once that is ok your ok to go. Digital inks have a shorter shelf life than others, partly due to the fact the colours are made out of vegetable oil based inks and not spirit based inks and if kept in a room with any source of light - will fade over a period of 1 - 2 years quite dramatically. J as others have stated, it is apples and oranges. 'expertise' is not the issue of the matter - it's about what you want in the end. if you dont want a glicee, don't buy one! :0) |
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by jboy on Aug 26, 2007 13:01:30 GMT 1, I understand the methods for giclee. 1. load the paper 2. press print I work with printing processes everyday including Litho, Flexo, Grav and screen. Giclee would in professional terms be described as a 'DIGITAL PRINT'. There is no expertise that goes into it apart from checking the colours are right on the screen to what it prints out. Once that is ok your ok to go. Digital inks have a shorter shelf life than others, partly due to the fact the colours are made out of vegetable oil based inks and not spirit based inks and if kept in a room with any source of light - will fade over a period of 1 - 2 years quite dramatically. J as others have stated, it is apples and oranges. 'expertise' is not the issue of the matter - it's about what you want in the end. if you dont want a glicee, don't buy one! :0)
I think the point of the expertise thing comes down to you guys that buy this quality. You are being a little bit ripped off in a way as they can charge the same for a less quality print. Its like Harvey Nicks is the screenprint and tesco is the giclee - there is no comparison.
I understand the methods for giclee. 1. load the paper 2. press print I work with printing processes everyday including Litho, Flexo, Grav and screen. Giclee would in professional terms be described as a 'DIGITAL PRINT'. There is no expertise that goes into it apart from checking the colours are right on the screen to what it prints out. Once that is ok your ok to go. Digital inks have a shorter shelf life than others, partly due to the fact the colours are made out of vegetable oil based inks and not spirit based inks and if kept in a room with any source of light - will fade over a period of 1 - 2 years quite dramatically. J as others have stated, it is apples and oranges. 'expertise' is not the issue of the matter - it's about what you want in the end. if you dont want a glicee, don't buy one! :0) I think the point of the expertise thing comes down to you guys that buy this quality. You are being a little bit ripped off in a way as they can charge the same for a less quality print. Its like Harvey Nicks is the screenprint and tesco is the giclee - there is no comparison. |
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by numusic on Aug 26, 2007 13:02:22 GMT 1, I wouldn't argue against the technology used to reproduce the original, I'd argue against the concept that it needs to be reproduced for anything other than documentation purposes at all. There are very few if any artists apart from Gilbert and George, Hockney, Kennard etc, that I know of who are engaging with the Ink Jet as a medium relevant to either the form or content of the work produced. I'm presuming that artists use the best method to express what they have to say, sometimes paint, photography, screenprint whatever, but generally, how to reproduce the work isn't an issue. We've had methods of reproducing work that isn't suitable for screens for years. It's called a potograph. People used to buy photographic prints of old masters to dot around the house. A Giclee is an extension of this, and in my opinion, shouldn't be discussed in the same way that a handpulled screenprint is created. A vast amount of screenprints are created specifically for the medium. Artists pour years of time into getting one print right, Chuck Close for example. When artists start using this technology and pushing it into new areas for the specific purpose of creating a work for that medium, then I'll start thinking it's something more than an expensive poster/edition market, driven by the industry, and not really required by the artist. But I guess the prices of the machines will have to come down a bit before that happens good points and subject but not what is currently being discussed here regarding Ian Francis giclee prints and their value as replications of his original works vs screenprints. many screenprints are created from other works not originally intended for the medium of a hand pulled print as well - but hey this conversation makes me feel like i'm back in art school! blech
Agreed.. then I'd ask, if you've got Francis on your books, wouldn't it be better and more interesting for a) him, b) us, c) you. If you commissioned/challenged him to work on a limited edition screenprint as opposed to a Giclee spin-off ?
Is the purpose of the Giclee to get an artists work into the hands of those that wouldn't otherwise be able to afford an original ? and if so, shouldn't you/him be attempting to get us as close to this as possible ? maybe screenprints, or maybe scaling them to the original size ? seems only correct colour balance is an issue for Giclee. Get that right and bingo, you're as close to the original as possible..
There is a long history of "fine art" reproductions. You've been able to buy them in Museums and Galleries for years. The $100 highest repro quality fine art house reproduction. None of which are now worth the paper that the faded image is printed on.
I wouldn't argue against the technology used to reproduce the original, I'd argue against the concept that it needs to be reproduced for anything other than documentation purposes at all. There are very few if any artists apart from Gilbert and George, Hockney, Kennard etc, that I know of who are engaging with the Ink Jet as a medium relevant to either the form or content of the work produced. I'm presuming that artists use the best method to express what they have to say, sometimes paint, photography, screenprint whatever, but generally, how to reproduce the work isn't an issue. We've had methods of reproducing work that isn't suitable for screens for years. It's called a potograph. People used to buy photographic prints of old masters to dot around the house. A Giclee is an extension of this, and in my opinion, shouldn't be discussed in the same way that a handpulled screenprint is created. A vast amount of screenprints are created specifically for the medium. Artists pour years of time into getting one print right, Chuck Close for example. When artists start using this technology and pushing it into new areas for the specific purpose of creating a work for that medium, then I'll start thinking it's something more than an expensive poster/edition market, driven by the industry, and not really required by the artist. But I guess the prices of the machines will have to come down a bit before that happens good points and subject but not what is currently being discussed here regarding Ian Francis giclee prints and their value as replications of his original works vs screenprints. many screenprints are created from other works not originally intended for the medium of a hand pulled print as well - but hey this conversation makes me feel like i'm back in art school! blech Agreed.. then I'd ask, if you've got Francis on your books, wouldn't it be better and more interesting for a) him, b) us, c) you. If you commissioned/challenged him to work on a limited edition screenprint as opposed to a Giclee spin-off ? Is the purpose of the Giclee to get an artists work into the hands of those that wouldn't otherwise be able to afford an original ? and if so, shouldn't you/him be attempting to get us as close to this as possible ? maybe screenprints, or maybe scaling them to the original size ? seems only correct colour balance is an issue for Giclee. Get that right and bingo, you're as close to the original as possible.. There is a long history of "fine art" reproductions. You've been able to buy them in Museums and Galleries for years. The $100 highest repro quality fine art house reproduction. None of which are now worth the paper that the faded image is printed on. |
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by numusic on Aug 26, 2007 13:10:05 GMT 1,
Nah, one a month and it'd still take three years. Stick around
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by BMG on Aug 26, 2007 13:15:55 GMT 1, good points and subject but not what is currently being discussed here regarding Ian Francis giclee prints and their value as replications of his original works vs screenprints. many screenprints are created from other works not originally intended for the medium of a hand pulled print as well - but hey this conversation makes me feel like i'm back in art school! blech Agreed.. then I'd ask, if you've got Francis on your books, wouldn't it be better and more interesting for a) him, b) us, c) you. If you commissioned/challenged him to work on a limited edition screenprint as opposed to a Giclee spin-off ? Is the purpose of the Giclee to get an artists work into the hands of those that wouldn't otherwise be able to afford an original ? and if so, shouldn't you/him be attempting to get us as close to this as possible ? maybe screenprints, or maybe scaling them to the original size ? seems only correct colour balance is an issue for Giclee. Get that right and bingo, you're as close to the original as possible.. There is a long history of "fine art" reproductions. You've been able to buy them in Museums and Galleries for years. The $100 highest repro quality fine art house reproduction. None of which are now worth the paper that the faded image is printed on.
good points and subject but not what is currently being discussed here regarding Ian Francis giclee prints and their value as replications of his original works vs screenprints. many screenprints are created from other works not originally intended for the medium of a hand pulled print as well - but hey this conversation makes me feel like i'm back in art school! blech Agreed.. then I'd ask, if you've got Francis on your books, wouldn't it be better and more interesting for a) him, b) us, c) you. If you commissioned/challenged him to work on a limited edition screenprint as opposed to a Giclee spin-off ? Is the purpose of the Giclee to get an artists work into the hands of those that wouldn't otherwise be able to afford an original ? and if so, shouldn't you/him be attempting to get us as close to this as possible ? maybe screenprints, or maybe scaling them to the original size ? seems only correct colour balance is an issue for Giclee. Get that right and bingo, you're as close to the original as possible.. There is a long history of "fine art" reproductions. You've been able to buy them in Museums and Galleries for years. The $100 highest repro quality fine art house reproduction. None of which are now worth the paper that the faded image is printed on. no way, we want that boy to paint his heart out beause that's what he loves to do. and yes, the giclees are for his fans that didn't get an original - it is the closest you can get, believe me. Kinsey and I know all about screenprinting, believe me. and to your last point, the giclees are not meant to be stock certificates. either enjoy them or don't - it's all good. goodnight all... bmg |
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by numusic on Aug 26, 2007 13:21:42 GMT 1, Agreed.. then I'd ask, if you've got Francis on your books, wouldn't it be better and more interesting for a) him, b) us, c) you. If you commissioned/challenged him to work on a limited edition screenprint as opposed to a Giclee spin-off ? Is the purpose of the Giclee to get an artists work into the hands of those that wouldn't otherwise be able to afford an original ? and if so, shouldn't you/him be attempting to get us as close to this as possible ? maybe screenprints, or maybe scaling them to the original size ? seems only correct colour balance is an issue for Giclee. Get that right and bingo, you're as close to the original as possible.. There is a long history of "fine art" reproductions. You've been able to buy them in Museums and Galleries for years. The $100 highest repro quality fine art house reproduction. None of which are now worth the paper that the faded image is printed on. no way, we want that boy to paint his heart out beause that's what he loves to do. and yes, the giclees are for his fans that didn't get an original - it is the closest you can get, believe me. Kinsey and I know all about screenprinting, believe me. and to your last point, the giclees are not meant to be stock certificates. either enjoy them or don't - it's all good. goodnight all... bmg
Cheers for the input. Good to have someone working on the inside posting. It is indeed all good. The last point wasn't a reflection on buying for investment, but a comment on the price that galleries are charging for them.
Good morning 
Agreed.. then I'd ask, if you've got Francis on your books, wouldn't it be better and more interesting for a) him, b) us, c) you. If you commissioned/challenged him to work on a limited edition screenprint as opposed to a Giclee spin-off ? Is the purpose of the Giclee to get an artists work into the hands of those that wouldn't otherwise be able to afford an original ? and if so, shouldn't you/him be attempting to get us as close to this as possible ? maybe screenprints, or maybe scaling them to the original size ? seems only correct colour balance is an issue for Giclee. Get that right and bingo, you're as close to the original as possible.. There is a long history of "fine art" reproductions. You've been able to buy them in Museums and Galleries for years. The $100 highest repro quality fine art house reproduction. None of which are now worth the paper that the faded image is printed on. no way, we want that boy to paint his heart out beause that's what he loves to do. and yes, the giclees are for his fans that didn't get an original - it is the closest you can get, believe me. Kinsey and I know all about screenprinting, believe me. and to your last point, the giclees are not meant to be stock certificates. either enjoy them or don't - it's all good. goodnight all... bmg Cheers for the input. Good to have someone working on the inside posting. It is indeed all good. The last point wasn't a reflection on buying for investment, but a comment on the price that galleries are charging for them. Good morning |
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by BMG on Aug 26, 2007 13:23:07 GMT 1, as others have stated, it is apples and oranges. 'expertise' is not the issue of the matter - it's about what you want in the end. if you dont want a glicee, don't buy one! :0) I think the point of the expertise thing comes down to you guys that buy this quality. You are being a little bit ripped off in a way as they can charge the same for a less quality print. Its like Harvey Nicks is the screenprint and tesco is the giclee - there is no comparison.
who's you guys? i'm producing the damned things (screenprints and giclees) and not ripping off anyone.
bmg (BLK/MRKT Gallery)
as others have stated, it is apples and oranges. 'expertise' is not the issue of the matter - it's about what you want in the end. if you dont want a glicee, don't buy one! :0) I think the point of the expertise thing comes down to you guys that buy this quality. You are being a little bit ripped off in a way as they can charge the same for a less quality print. Its like Harvey Nicks is the screenprint and tesco is the giclee - there is no comparison. who's you guys? i'm producing the damned things (screenprints and giclees) and not ripping off anyone. bmg (BLK/MRKT Gallery) |
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by numusic on Aug 26, 2007 13:31:20 GMT 1, Cheers for the input. Good to have someone working on the inside posting. It is indeed all good. The last point wasn't a reflection on buying for investment, but a comment on the price that galleries are charging for them. Good morning good morning - must sleep now...zzzzzzzzzz
I feel for you guys over there, you've even got the wrong time ;D
Cheers for the input. Good to have someone working on the inside posting. It is indeed all good. The last point wasn't a reflection on buying for investment, but a comment on the price that galleries are charging for them. Good morning good morning - must sleep now...zzzzzzzzzz I feel for you guys over there, you've even got the wrong time ;D |
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by Daniel Silk on Aug 26, 2007 14:26:36 GMT 1, Just wanted to welcome BMG aka BlkMrktGallery to the forum ;D
Just wanted to welcome BMG aka BlkMrktGallery to the forum ;D
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by corblimeylimey on Aug 26, 2007 14:40:34 GMT 1, Digital inks have a shorter shelf life than others, partly due to the fact the colours are made out of vegetable oil based inks and not spirit based inks and if kept in a room with any source of light - will fade over a period of 1 - 2 years quite dramatically. J
While not a huge fan of giclee, I have to disagree with their keeping properties, if printed using UV inks they should have a 100 year + non fade life.
www.fineartgicleeprinters.org/archival_pigmented_inks_HP_5000/archival_pigmented_inks_HP.html
Digital inks have a shorter shelf life than others, partly due to the fact the colours are made out of vegetable oil based inks and not spirit based inks and if kept in a room with any source of light - will fade over a period of 1 - 2 years quite dramatically. J While not a huge fan of giclee, I have to disagree with their keeping properties, if printed using UV inks they should have a 100 year + non fade life. www.fineartgicleeprinters.org/archival_pigmented_inks_HP_5000/archival_pigmented_inks_HP.html |
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by stuey09 on Aug 26, 2007 14:42:14 GMT 1, You can of course get round this by buying oils on canvases, you common people
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by finsburyparkranger on Aug 26, 2007 14:45:30 GMT 1, You can of course get round this by buying oils on canvases, you common people
;D ;D ;D
You can of course get round this by buying oils on canvases, you common people ;D ;D ;D |
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by Daniel Silk on Aug 26, 2007 14:49:00 GMT 1, You can of course get round this by buying oils on canvases, you common people
Do they do postcards? 
You can of course get round this by buying oils on canvases, you common people Do they do postcards? |
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by numusic on Aug 26, 2007 15:33:15 GMT 1, Digital inks have a shorter shelf life than others, partly due to the fact the colours are made out of vegetable oil based inks and not spirit based inks and if kept in a room with any source of light - will fade over a period of 1 - 2 years quite dramatically. J While not a huge fan of giclee, I have to disagree with their keeping properties, if printed using UV inks they should have a 100 year + non fade life. www.fineartgicleeprinters.org/archival_pigmented_inks_HP_5000/archival_pigmented_inks_HP.html
That's the same bloke who told me the second washing machine I'd bought in five years would last for ten
A lightbulb can last a hundred years also.
Has anyone found an objective website that's not sponsored by the print manufacturer or by someone selling the prints ?
Digital inks have a shorter shelf life than others, partly due to the fact the colours are made out of vegetable oil based inks and not spirit based inks and if kept in a room with any source of light - will fade over a period of 1 - 2 years quite dramatically. J While not a huge fan of giclee, I have to disagree with their keeping properties, if printed using UV inks they should have a 100 year + non fade life. www.fineartgicleeprinters.org/archival_pigmented_inks_HP_5000/archival_pigmented_inks_HP.htmlThat's the same bloke who told me the second washing machine I'd bought in five years would last for ten A lightbulb can last a hundred years also. Has anyone found an objective website that's not sponsored by the print manufacturer or by someone selling the prints ? |
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by Simococo on Aug 26, 2007 15:43:58 GMT 1, does anyone own a giclee that has faded in a relatively short period of time?
does anyone own a giclee that has faded in a relatively short period of time?
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by corblimeylimey on Aug 26, 2007 19:39:21 GMT 1, A mate of mine has his own giclee (large format ink jet printer) business, and the stuff thats printed in the UV inks is normally for shop window displays and bus stop advertising (which is often back lit at night), the stuff is quite often in direct sunshine for months with no trouble.
Here's a quote from the HP UV ink site
"Durable images -- HP's innovative UV inks deliver long-lasting, lightfast prints with an outdoor limited warranty of three years under the 3M Matched Component System and an expected indoor fade resistance of up to 200 years"
Anyone thinking of setting up their own business this giclee lark can be quite profitable, the printers are about ยฃ9K new but you could get a ex demo for around ยฃ5K, the ink cartridges cost about ยฃ170 each (but they print alot) when you think of the recent Adam Neate giclee cost.
A mate of mine has his own giclee (large format ink jet printer) business, and the stuff thats printed in the UV inks is normally for shop window displays and bus stop advertising (which is often back lit at night), the stuff is quite often in direct sunshine for months with no trouble.
Here's a quote from the HP UV ink site
"Durable images -- HP's innovative UV inks deliver long-lasting, lightfast prints with an outdoor limited warranty of three years under the 3M Matched Component System and an expected indoor fade resistance of up to 200 years"
Anyone thinking of setting up their own business this giclee lark can be quite profitable, the printers are about ยฃ9K new but you could get a ex demo for around ยฃ5K, the ink cartridges cost about ยฃ170 each (but they print alot) when you think of the recent Adam Neate giclee cost.
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by finsburyparkranger on Aug 26, 2007 20:38:14 GMT 1, does anyone own a giclee that has faded in a relatively short period of time?
The answer to that personally is no actually but I've seen some screen prints become faded over time.
does anyone own a giclee that has faded in a relatively short period of time? The answer to that personally is no actually but I've seen some screen prints become faded over time. |
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by bonesy on Aug 26, 2007 20:49:18 GMT 1, does anyone own a giclee that has faded in a relatively short period of time?
No.
does anyone own a giclee that has faded in a relatively short period of time? No. |
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by Simococo on Aug 26, 2007 21:29:23 GMT 1, looks like we're safe then
looks like we're safe then
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by corblimeylimey on Aug 26, 2007 21:35:57 GMT 1, looks like we're safe then
If they used UV inks.
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by peggysue on Aug 27, 2007 0:01:07 GMT 1, This discussion is dead. If you can't afford or don't have the opportunity to get an original then a gilclee of Ian's work seems like the next best scenario. If you're not into giclee's (jboy) then don't buy them. Next topic.
This discussion is dead. If you can't afford or don't have the opportunity to get an original then a gilclee of Ian's work seems like the next best scenario. If you're not into giclee's (jboy) then don't buy them. Next topic.
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by patrese on Aug 27, 2007 10:17:04 GMT 1, This discussion is dead. If you can't afford or don't have the opportunity to get an original then a gilclee of Ian's work seems like the next best scenario. If you're not into giclee's (jboy) then don't buy them. Next topic.
i would love to get an Ian Francis original but have no idea where to get one - are they impossible to get hold of?
This discussion is dead. If you can't afford or don't have the opportunity to get an original then a gilclee of Ian's work seems like the next best scenario. If you're not into giclee's (jboy) then don't buy them. Next topic. i would love to get an Ian Francis original but have no idea where to get one - are they impossible to get hold of? |
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by justinkase on Aug 27, 2007 15:42:17 GMT 1, Ian's paintings are scarce and hard to get ahold of. I would call Blk/Mrkt and try to put your name on a waiting list. Don't know if they have one, but it's worth a shot.
And by the way, I thought it was very generous of Blk/Mrkt to offer the limited edition prints for those who weren't able to get an original. I guess some people on here didn't see it that way. Oh well. Their loss.
Ian's paintings are scarce and hard to get ahold of. I would call Blk/Mrkt and try to put your name on a waiting list. Don't know if they have one, but it's worth a shot.
And by the way, I thought it was very generous of Blk/Mrkt to offer the limited edition prints for those who weren't able to get an original. I guess some people on here didn't see it that way. Oh well. Their loss.
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 27, 2007 16:26:34 GMT 1, Ian's paintings are scarce and hard to get ahold of. I would call Blk/Mrkt and try to put your name on a waiting list. Don't know if they have one, but it's worth a shot. And by the way, I thought it was very generous of Blk/Mrkt to offer the limited edition prints for those who weren't able to get an original. I guess some people on here didn't see it that way. Oh well. Their loss.
I'm not sure how you can label it "generous" @ $700 a pop for giclees. They're trying to make money first / doing you a "favor" second. That said, I am glad they did and picked up a few...
Ian's paintings are scarce and hard to get ahold of. I would call Blk/Mrkt and try to put your name on a waiting list. Don't know if they have one, but it's worth a shot. And by the way, I thought it was very generous of Blk/Mrkt to offer the limited edition prints for those who weren't able to get an original. I guess some people on here didn't see it that way. Oh well. Their loss. I'm not sure how you can label it "generous" @ $700 a pop for giclees. They're trying to make money first / doing you a "favor" second. That said, I am glad they did and picked up a few... |
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by justinkase on Aug 27, 2007 16:38:38 GMT 1, Of course you picked up a few! $700 for an edition of 25 is a bargain, no matter how you look at it. Blk/Mrkt could've charged double that price and still sold out of them.
And if you're not into giclee's...why do you keep "picking up a few?"...not taking the piss, just curious.
Of course you picked up a few! $700 for an edition of 25 is a bargain, no matter how you look at it. Blk/Mrkt could've charged double that price and still sold out of them.
And if you're not into giclee's...why do you keep "picking up a few?"...not taking the piss, just curious.
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 27, 2007 16:52:14 GMT 1, Of course you picked up a few! $700 for an edition of 25 is a bargain, no matter how you look at it. Blk/Mrkt could've charged double that price and still sold out of them. And if you're not into giclee's...why do you keep "picking up a few?"...not taking the piss, just curious.
i have nothing against giclees - i was just making a point that they weren't being "generous". Its a business thats all I'm saying. Irregardless, I like Ian Francis a lot and thats why I picked 'em up.
Of course you picked up a few! $700 for an edition of 25 is a bargain, no matter how you look at it. Blk/Mrkt could've charged double that price and still sold out of them. And if you're not into giclee's...why do you keep "picking up a few?"...not taking the piss, just curious. i have nothing against giclees - i was just making a point that they weren't being "generous". Its a business thats all I'm saying. Irregardless, I like Ian Francis a lot and thats why I picked 'em up. |
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by justinkase on Aug 27, 2007 17:07:46 GMT 1, All good Bobby. I was lucky to pick some up as well.
It certainly is a business. I was just saying, from what I know, Blk/Mrkt isn't known for pumping out prints of all their artists. So the fact that they released some of Ian's work, I considered it a gift.
Not to mention, they certainly don't inflate their prices to where it feels like your taking it with no vaseline.
All good Bobby. I was lucky to pick some up as well.
It certainly is a business. I was just saying, from what I know, Blk/Mrkt isn't known for pumping out prints of all their artists. So the fact that they released some of Ian's work, I considered it a gift.
Not to mention, they certainly don't inflate their prices to where it feels like your taking it with no vaseline.
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IAN FRANCIS Prints! GET THEM NOwwwww, by Cocteau 101 on Aug 27, 2007 17:42:15 GMT 1, All good Bobby. I was lucky to pick some up as well. It certainly is a business. I was just saying, from what I know, Blk/Mrkt isn't known for pumping out prints of all their artists. So the fact that they released some of Ian's work, I considered it a gift. Not to mention, they certainly don't inflate their prices to where it feels like your taking it with no vaseline.
Very nicely put. ;D
All good Bobby. I was lucky to pick some up as well. It certainly is a business. I was just saying, from what I know, Blk/Mrkt isn't known for pumping out prints of all their artists. So the fact that they released some of Ian's work, I considered it a gift. Not to mention, they certainly don't inflate their prices to where it feels like your taking it with no vaseline. Very nicely put. ;D |
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