ninja
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BANKSY Extraction Team VIDEO New, by ninja on Dec 26, 2009 23:22:32 GMT 1, Hmmmmmm.... Jet Set, why have you edited / deleted all your posts in the 'Palestine Splashed Donkey has been resurected...' thread. Got something to hide? Maybe a post like this - "Asking price is $500K, including shipping and all destination charges... Interested parties can PM me for sale consideration. I am not the seller, it's a group of Palestinian men with hungry families. I am just friends of theirs." See it all here - urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=streetartgallery&thread=18893&page=1Yep, I absolutely deleted all those posts, because folks like yourself will take what I said and twist it out of context and make s**t up to damage me, as we've already seen abundantly on this thread. It's like you people NEED a villain or something, my goodness! I stand by everything that you quoted. The Palestinians became my friends through the experience of being there with them. They are beautiful people. They emailed me asking me to buy it. I told them; I'm not interested, but I will tell people that it is for sale. I did that; telling people on this and other art forums that the piece was for sale... I very clearly state, "I am not the seller, it's for a group of Palestinian men..."
Why delete posts from the thread if you have nothing to hide, sir?
Seems like an extremely strange thing to do IMHO.
Hmmmmmm.... Jet Set, why have you edited / deleted all your posts in the 'Palestine Splashed Donkey has been resurected...' thread. Got something to hide? Maybe a post like this - "Asking price is $500K, including shipping and all destination charges... Interested parties can PM me for sale consideration. I am not the seller, it's a group of Palestinian men with hungry families. I am just friends of theirs." See it all here - urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=streetartgallery&thread=18893&page=1Yep, I absolutely deleted all those posts, because folks like yourself will take what I said and twist it out of context and make s**t up to damage me, as we've already seen abundantly on this thread. It's like you people NEED a villain or something, my goodness! I stand by everything that you quoted. The Palestinians became my friends through the experience of being there with them. They are beautiful people. They emailed me asking me to buy it. I told them; I'm not interested, but I will tell people that it is for sale. I did that; telling people on this and other art forums that the piece was for sale... I very clearly state, "I am not the seller, it's for a group of Palestinian men..."Why delete posts from the thread if you have nothing to hide, sir? Seems like an extremely strange thing to do IMHO.
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raiden
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BANKSY Extraction Team VIDEO New, by raiden on Dec 27, 2009 12:33:19 GMT 1, Whoa, whoa, whoa....
I have no dog in this fight - save for getting some information out there.
Namely that Michael Slate seems like pretty good dude & well intentioned.
About Michael Slate Michael Slate is a revolutionary journalist. Michael Slate is a revolutionary journalist. He began writing for the Revolutionary Worker in 1979. Slate has covered most of the major urban rebellions in the U.S. since the mid 1980s, including the 1989 uprising in the Overtown neighborhood of Miami, the police attack on Black students and youth in Virginia Beach in 1989 and the 1991 uprising of Latino immigrants in the Mount Pleasant neighborhood of Washington, DC.
Slate has also written extensively about Africa since 1980. He provided unique coverage of the South African township uprisings that began in 1984 and eventually brought down the white minority regime. Slate made extended visits to South Africa twice during these uprisings, traveling with activists from the Black Consciousness Movement founded by the Azanian revolutionary leader Steve Biko who was murdered in prison by the apartheid police in 1977. Slate brought back the voices of the people in the townships and the countryside, voices that were not heard anywhere else. His series on South Africa, "War Stories" and "War Stories: Return to South Africa," appeared in the Revolutionary Worker and were called a "remarkable feat of reportage" by the late Donald Woods, the South African journalist about whom the film Cry Freedom was made. In early 1994 Slate traveled to Chiapas, Mexico, immediately after the indigenous campesino uprising and spent three months talking with the people about their lives, their hopes and aspirations and their New Year's Rebellion. The 9 part series "Campesinos With Guns" was written as a result of this trip.
Since 1992 Slate has lived and worked in Los Angeles, covering the 1992 Rebellion and writing about the oppressed people in LA and the conditions they face from police brutality to welfare cuts. His unparalleled coverage of the 1992 Los Angeles rebellion is available in the pamphlets "Shockwaves" and "Aftershocks", a series bringing together a revolutionary analysis of the rebellion and intimate interviews with the people who rose up.
Since 1995 Slate has frequently written articles exploring the culture of resistance in film, music, theater and visual arts. Slate's writing appears regularly in the Revolutionary Worker and has also appeared in The Black American, the San Jose Mercury News, the Oakland Tribune, the Long Beach Press Telegram, Pacific News Service and Heads magazine. Slate also wrote the widely praised booklet on the criminalization of the hip-hop generation that accompanied the Unbound Project, a hip-hop compilation CD inspired by Mumia Abu Jamal. Slate is a founding member of the Artists' Network of Refuse and Resist and one of the producers of the groundbreaking ArtSpeaks concerts in Los Angeles. From 1999 to 2000 Slate worked as Music Supervisor for the 13 part PBS Television series Senior Year, directed by David Zeiger, whose other films include Night of Ferocious Joy, a film based on the May 2002 ArtSpeaks concert, the first major concert against the War on the World.
Slate is actively involved in training a new generation of revolutionary writers.
Jetset very well could be right that Michael asked Banksy before selling it. Entirely speculative as I don't know either of them personally, but I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Michael was one of Banksy's heroes & that they still talk.
Even if he didn't ask Banksy, I am pretty sure the funds were used toward progressive causes Banksy would have endorsed - even if it was to keep a counter culture book store in the black.
I'm much less black & white about removing a piece from its original context in this specific case:
1) The pieces were indoors & not in a public location in the proper sense of the word (i.e. a location owned by the public or within immediate view of public locations) We're not talking about a public wall or street sign, etc. It was in a relatively obscure corner of a privately owned bookstore.
2) The ends somewhat justified the means. (I hope) In that it seems Michael slate was motivated by the desire to keep his subversive bookstore going. And if the store were to close, the pieces would have been buffed to make way for a Starbucks anyways. So what the f**ks the point?
As for Jetset... I can't entirely hate on him for paying economically disadvantaged Palestinians to get a crack at extra copies of Gold Flags. Bit of a moral grey area - giving poor people cash to feed their families by cheating a system that meant a couple rich Brits lost their shot at a Banksy for cost. I probably b**ched about it then simply because I was jealous I didn't fly to Bethlehem & then pay for the cost of the trip by doing the same stunt.
I will say, I have appreciated Jetset's contribution to the LA street art world with the recent Free Walls project. That has to be commended.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.... I have no dog in this fight - save for getting some information out there. Namely that Michael Slate seems like pretty good dude & well intentioned. About Michael Slate Michael Slate is a revolutionary journalist. Michael Slate is a revolutionary journalist. He began writing for the Revolutionary Worker in 1979. Slate has covered most of the major urban rebellions in the U.S. since the mid 1980s, including the 1989 uprising in the Overtown neighborhood of Miami, the police attack on Black students and youth in Virginia Beach in 1989 and the 1991 uprising of Latino immigrants in the Mount Pleasant neighborhood of Washington, DC.
Slate has also written extensively about Africa since 1980. He provided unique coverage of the South African township uprisings that began in 1984 and eventually brought down the white minority regime. Slate made extended visits to South Africa twice during these uprisings, traveling with activists from the Black Consciousness Movement founded by the Azanian revolutionary leader Steve Biko who was murdered in prison by the apartheid police in 1977. Slate brought back the voices of the people in the townships and the countryside, voices that were not heard anywhere else. His series on South Africa, "War Stories" and "War Stories: Return to South Africa," appeared in the Revolutionary Worker and were called a "remarkable feat of reportage" by the late Donald Woods, the South African journalist about whom the film Cry Freedom was made. In early 1994 Slate traveled to Chiapas, Mexico, immediately after the indigenous campesino uprising and spent three months talking with the people about their lives, their hopes and aspirations and their New Year's Rebellion. The 9 part series "Campesinos With Guns" was written as a result of this trip.
Since 1992 Slate has lived and worked in Los Angeles, covering the 1992 Rebellion and writing about the oppressed people in LA and the conditions they face from police brutality to welfare cuts. His unparalleled coverage of the 1992 Los Angeles rebellion is available in the pamphlets "Shockwaves" and "Aftershocks", a series bringing together a revolutionary analysis of the rebellion and intimate interviews with the people who rose up.
Since 1995 Slate has frequently written articles exploring the culture of resistance in film, music, theater and visual arts. Slate's writing appears regularly in the Revolutionary Worker and has also appeared in The Black American, the San Jose Mercury News, the Oakland Tribune, the Long Beach Press Telegram, Pacific News Service and Heads magazine. Slate also wrote the widely praised booklet on the criminalization of the hip-hop generation that accompanied the Unbound Project, a hip-hop compilation CD inspired by Mumia Abu Jamal. Slate is a founding member of the Artists' Network of Refuse and Resist and one of the producers of the groundbreaking ArtSpeaks concerts in Los Angeles. From 1999 to 2000 Slate worked as Music Supervisor for the 13 part PBS Television series Senior Year, directed by David Zeiger, whose other films include Night of Ferocious Joy, a film based on the May 2002 ArtSpeaks concert, the first major concert against the War on the World.
Slate is actively involved in training a new generation of revolutionary writers. Jetset very well could be right that Michael asked Banksy before selling it. Entirely speculative as I don't know either of them personally, but I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Michael was one of Banksy's heroes & that they still talk. Even if he didn't ask Banksy, I am pretty sure the funds were used toward progressive causes Banksy would have endorsed - even if it was to keep a counter culture book store in the black. I'm much less black & white about removing a piece from its original context in this specific case: 1) The pieces were indoors & not in a public location in the proper sense of the word (i.e. a location owned by the public or within immediate view of public locations) We're not talking about a public wall or street sign, etc. It was in a relatively obscure corner of a privately owned bookstore. 2) The ends somewhat justified the means. (I hope) In that it seems Michael slate was motivated by the desire to keep his subversive bookstore going. And if the store were to close, the pieces would have been buffed to make way for a Starbucks anyways. So what the f**ks the point?
As for Jetset... I can't entirely hate on him for paying economically disadvantaged Palestinians to get a crack at extra copies of Gold Flags. Bit of a moral grey area - giving poor people cash to feed their families by cheating a system that meant a couple rich Brits lost their shot at a Banksy for cost. I probably b**ched about it then simply because I was jealous I didn't fly to Bethlehem & then pay for the cost of the trip by doing the same stunt. I will say, I have appreciated Jetset's contribution to the LA street art world with the recent Free Walls project. That has to be commended.
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BANKSY Extraction Team VIDEO New, by mrtibbs on Dec 27, 2009 13:08:14 GMT 1, As for profit; yeah, I made my money back on the gold flags. That's not profit. your words.. "My sale of the Gold Flags was coordinated with a group of Palestinian people who really appreciated the help... I took $2K from each sale for myself. $1K because I paid for them to get the art, and $1K for my effort". seems you forgot the 1k PROFIT you made from each sale. well done!!
As for profit; yeah, I made my money back on the gold flags. That's not profit. your words.. "My sale of the Gold Flags was coordinated with a group of Palestinian people who really appreciated the help... I took $2K from each sale for myself. $1K because I paid for them to get the art, and $1K for my effort". seems you forgot the 1k PROFIT you made from each sale. well done!!
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bert
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BANKSY Extraction Team VIDEO New, by bert on Dec 27, 2009 13:18:23 GMT 1, Such is life...where there is money to be made, you will find leeches and fvcking parasites.
Such is life...where there is money to be made, you will find leeches and fvcking parasites.
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eddiedangerous
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BANKSY Extraction Team VIDEO New, by eddiedangerous on Dec 27, 2009 14:07:11 GMT 1, As for profit; yeah, I made my money back on the gold flags. That's not profit. your words.. "My sale of the Gold Flags was coordinated with a group of Palestinian people who really appreciated the help... I took $2K from each sale for myself. $1K because I paid for them to get the art, and $1K for my effort". seems you forgot the 1k PROFIT you made from each sale. well done!! jsg cant u just fuck off, its almost 2010 and a good excuse to do so....mind u any day is a good excuse for you to fuck off
As for profit; yeah, I made my money back on the gold flags. That's not profit. your words.. "My sale of the Gold Flags was coordinated with a group of Palestinian people who really appreciated the help... I took $2K from each sale for myself. $1K because I paid for them to get the art, and $1K for my effort". seems you forgot the 1k PROFIT you made from each sale. well done!! jsg cant u just fuck off, its almost 2010 and a good excuse to do so....mind u any day is a good excuse for you to fuck off
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BANKSY Extraction Team VIDEO New, by snausages on Dec 27, 2009 16:47:31 GMT 1, Jetset very well could be right that Michael asked Banksy before selling it. Entirely speculative Extremely speculative
This one way street is the problem here. So what's the difference? You're really worried about the public view and the public's supposed "right" to enjoy a Banksy stencil. It's not about rights or public views, it's about ethics and hypocrisy and taking advantage of an artist.
And so, " the pieces would have been buffed to make way for a Starbucks anyway" you could say that about every other piece of "extracted" street art too. Who cares, street art is temporal by nature.
And what if Joe Public is concerned about keeping his bookstore family going? Is it really that much better that we have an alternative bookstore in LA or would it be better that some guy can feed his family somewhere? Where do you draw the line?
Jetset very well could be right that Michael asked Banksy before selling it. Entirely speculative Extremely speculative This one way street is the problem here. So what's the difference? You're really worried about the public view and the public's supposed "right" to enjoy a Banksy stencil. It's not about rights or public views, it's about ethics and hypocrisy and taking advantage of an artist. And so, " the pieces would have been buffed to make way for a Starbucks anyway" you could say that about every other piece of "extracted" street art too. Who cares, street art is temporal by nature. And what if Joe Public is concerned about keeping his bookstore family going? Is it really that much better that we have an alternative bookstore in LA or would it be better that some guy can feed his family somewhere? Where do you draw the line?
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BANKSY Extraction Team VIDEO New, by mrtibbs on Dec 27, 2009 19:31:11 GMT 1, As for profit; yeah, I made my money back on the gold flags. That's not profit. your words.. "My sale of the Gold Flags was coordinated with a group of Palestinian people who really appreciated the help... I took $2K from each sale for myself. $1K because I paid for them to get the art, and $1K for my effort". seems you forgot the 1k PROFIT you made from each sale. well done!! Did you forget your PROFIT made on the 5x gold flag sales, and the sale of your own print you offered to the forum for 12.5k? When it was clearly against POW rules of 1 print per person. Again well done!! your words. JetSet Graffiti is very happy to be able to offer this screaming deal to our good friends on the Banksy Forum. Banksy Gold Flag FOR SALE. New Condition, only out of the tube for photos Full Provenance Photos Available Asking Price: $12,500 USD plus all transaction fees and shipping. Print is located in Los Angeles, CA. USA. For more information, feel free to contact me through this forum, or email me at info @ jetsetgraffiti .com (remove the spaces), and I can call you right back o the phone, or we can talk through email. Thanks everyone...
As for profit; yeah, I made my money back on the gold flags. That's not profit. your words.. "My sale of the Gold Flags was coordinated with a group of Palestinian people who really appreciated the help... I took $2K from each sale for myself. $1K because I paid for them to get the art, and $1K for my effort". seems you forgot the 1k PROFIT you made from each sale. well done!! Did you forget your PROFIT made on the 5x gold flag sales, and the sale of your own print you offered to the forum for 12.5k? When it was clearly against POW rules of 1 print per person. Again well done!! your words. JetSet Graffiti is very happy to be able to offer this screaming deal to our good friends on the Banksy Forum. Banksy Gold Flag FOR SALE. New Condition, only out of the tube for photos Full Provenance Photos Available Asking Price: $12,500 USD plus all transaction fees and shipping. Print is located in Los Angeles, CA. USA. For more information, feel free to contact me through this forum, or email me at info @ jetsetgraffiti .com (remove the spaces), and I can call you right back o the phone, or we can talk through email. Thanks everyone...
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cutty
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BANKSY Extraction Team VIDEO New, by cutty on Dec 28, 2009 4:50:36 GMT 1, What did the two works sell for? (just out of interest)
Cheers.....
What did the two works sell for? (just out of interest)
Cheers.....
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BANKSY Extraction Team VIDEO New, by Guest on Dec 29, 2009 21:27:50 GMT 1, As for profit; yeah, I made my money back on the gold flags. That's not profit. your words.. "My sale of the Gold Flags was coordinated with a group of Palestinian people who really appreciated the help... I took $2K from each sale for myself. $1K because I paid for them to get the art, and $1K for my effort". seems you forgot the 1k PROFIT you made from each sale. well done!! I am an art dealer; If I made a profit on the gold flags, I would have NO problem admitting it. A successful art dealer sells art and supports the artists. That's what I do, I sell art, and I use the money to document the artists work for people to enjoy for free and I support the artists FREE outdoor work. You don't know what my costs consisted of; only 5 people are familiar with my actual contribution. You think 50ft. x 100ft. paste-up murals pay for themselves? How f**king stupid that I have to bring this up!!! Last thing I wanted to do is draw attention to our effort, but when my integrity is brought up, I have no choice but to abandon humility and tell you that. Believe me, I hate to feel the need to outline our entire charity effort. We actually lost money, but it helped people and we all had fun and learned alot. Please be mindful of our entire effort in Palestine. Thanks.
As for profit; yeah, I made my money back on the gold flags. That's not profit. your words.. "My sale of the Gold Flags was coordinated with a group of Palestinian people who really appreciated the help... I took $2K from each sale for myself. $1K because I paid for them to get the art, and $1K for my effort". seems you forgot the 1k PROFIT you made from each sale. well done!! I am an art dealer; If I made a profit on the gold flags, I would have NO problem admitting it. A successful art dealer sells art and supports the artists. That's what I do, I sell art, and I use the money to document the artists work for people to enjoy for free and I support the artists FREE outdoor work. You don't know what my costs consisted of; only 5 people are familiar with my actual contribution. You think 50ft. x 100ft. paste-up murals pay for themselves? How f**king stupid that I have to bring this up!!! Last thing I wanted to do is draw attention to our effort, but when my integrity is brought up, I have no choice but to abandon humility and tell you that. Believe me, I hate to feel the need to outline our entire charity effort. We actually lost money, but it helped people and we all had fun and learned alot. Please be mindful of our entire effort in Palestine. Thanks.
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BANKSY Extraction Team VIDEO New, by mrtibbs on Dec 29, 2009 21:38:32 GMT 1, your words.. "My sale of the Gold Flags was coordinated with a group of Palestinian people who really appreciated the help... I took $2K from each sale for myself. $1K because I paid for them to get the art, and $1K for my effort". seems you forgot the 1k PROFIT you made from each sale. well done!! I am an art dealer; If I made a profit on the gold flags, I would have NO problem admitting it. A successful art dealer sells art and supports the artists. That's what I do, I sell art, and I use the money to document the artists work for people to enjoy for free and I support the artists FREE outdoor work. You don't know what my costs consisted of; only 5 people are familiar with my actual contribution. You think 50ft. x 100ft. paste-up murals pay for themselves? How f**king stupid that I have to bring this up!!! Last thing I wanted to do is draw attention to my effort, but when my integrity is brought up, I have no choice but to abandon humility and tell you that. Believe me, the last thing I feel the need to do is to outline my entire charity effort. I actually lost money, but it helped people and we all had fun and learned alot. Please be mindful of our entire effort in Palestine. Thanks.
To keep this short and sweet. You bought art and made money from it, if it was used for 50ft paste ups or not, its all good promotion for you and your artists.
And drop the foul language matey boy.
much luv
your words.. "My sale of the Gold Flags was coordinated with a group of Palestinian people who really appreciated the help... I took $2K from each sale for myself. $1K because I paid for them to get the art, and $1K for my effort". seems you forgot the 1k PROFIT you made from each sale. well done!! I am an art dealer; If I made a profit on the gold flags, I would have NO problem admitting it. A successful art dealer sells art and supports the artists. That's what I do, I sell art, and I use the money to document the artists work for people to enjoy for free and I support the artists FREE outdoor work. You don't know what my costs consisted of; only 5 people are familiar with my actual contribution. You think 50ft. x 100ft. paste-up murals pay for themselves? How f**king stupid that I have to bring this up!!! Last thing I wanted to do is draw attention to my effort, but when my integrity is brought up, I have no choice but to abandon humility and tell you that. Believe me, the last thing I feel the need to do is to outline my entire charity effort. I actually lost money, but it helped people and we all had fun and learned alot. Please be mindful of our entire effort in Palestine. Thanks. To keep this short and sweet. You bought art and made money from it, if it was used for 50ft paste ups or not, its all good promotion for you and your artists. And drop the foul language matey boy. much luv
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BANKSY Extraction Team VIDEO New, by Daniel Silk on Sept 8, 2010 11:10:44 GMT 1, I will move this thread into the JetSet board
I will move this thread into the JetSet board
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