Neate Michael
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by Neate Michael on Mar 2, 2011 13:03:23 GMT 1, 
I was cheekily showing a girl this image, and said if she wanted to buy me a present, she could do worse than this (I wish)...
Anyway, she said:
Art does not have to be rational etc, but as the artist has made an effort to show that there is a wind blowing from the left... Why does the balloon string (?) go against the wind when nothing else does...?
It's a fair point isn't it?
I was cheekily showing a girl this image, and said if she wanted to buy me a present, she could do worse than this (I wish)... Anyway, she said: Art does not have to be rational etc, but as the artist has made an effort to show that there is a wind blowing from the left... Why does the balloon string (?) go against the wind when nothing else does...? It's a fair point isn't it? |
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 13:06:09 GMT 1, Because she's just let it go......?
Because she's just let it go......?
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by des77 on Mar 2, 2011 13:06:21 GMT 1, kinda... its the balloon that would catch the wind and be dragging the string with it 
so Banksy has it right imo
kinda... its the balloon that would catch the wind and be dragging the string with it so Banksy has it right imo |
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by Agent Provocateur on Mar 2, 2011 13:08:41 GMT 1, 'Fraid I'm going to have to be pedantic here... wind from left to right, balloon lighter than air blown to right, cord on balloon not lighter than air so slightly hangs behind balloon. Seems fair to me... or have I missed something ;D
'Fraid I'm going to have to be pedantic here... wind from left to right, balloon lighter than air blown to right, cord on balloon not lighter than air so slightly hangs behind balloon. Seems fair to me... or have I missed something ;D
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by fingerz on Mar 2, 2011 13:18:06 GMT 1, how is the balloon lighter than air when it is filled with air ... ? ...
how is the balloon lighter than air when it is filled with air ... ? ... |
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Max Beales
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by Max Beales on Mar 2, 2011 13:20:47 GMT 1, kinda... its the balloon that would catch the wind and be dragging the string with it so Banksy has it right imo
This.
kinda... its the balloon that would catch the wind and be dragging the string with it so Banksy has it right imo This. |
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by bazzj04 on Mar 2, 2011 13:32:41 GMT 1, makes sense to me, But for clarity i think someone should try it and video it outside,
makes sense to me, But for clarity i think someone should try it and video it outside,
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MGK1
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by MGK1 on Mar 2, 2011 13:38:48 GMT 1, its filled with helium fingerz which is why it floats because helium is lighter than air.
it makes sense that as soon the balloon is let go, the tring would be trailing in the direction it is
its filled with helium fingerz which is why it floats because helium is lighter than air.
it makes sense that as soon the balloon is let go, the tring would be trailing in the direction it is
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by fingerz on Mar 2, 2011 13:42:40 GMT 1, no way mgk1 has pest control verified this ...
no way mgk1 has pest control verified this ... |
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MGK1
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by MGK1 on Mar 2, 2011 13:51:37 GMT 1, yep, we need to a get a COSA - certificate of scientific authenticity
yep, we need to a get a COSA - certificate of scientific authenticity
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by fingerz on Mar 2, 2011 14:00:44 GMT 1, yep, we need to a get a COSA - certificate of scientific authenticity
hahaha ... ;D
yep, we need to a get a COSA - certificate of scientific authenticity hahaha ... ;D |
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balibob
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by balibob on Mar 2, 2011 14:06:11 GMT 1, yep, we need to a get a COSA - certificate of scientific authenticity hahaha ... ;D
;D ;D
yep, we need to a get a COSA - certificate of scientific authenticity hahaha ... ;D ;D ;D |
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eddiedangerous
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by eddiedangerous on Mar 2, 2011 14:10:25 GMT 1, fuck worrying about this go and look at the s&s thumbs and then come back to me.
fuck worrying about this go and look at the s&s thumbs and then come back to me.
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 15:08:40 GMT 1,
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Neate Michael
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by Neate Michael on Mar 2, 2011 15:10:05 GMT 1, That is pretty much what my mate said:
So which material do you think the string was made of? Heavier than the cloth in the girl's skirt apparently, but still not as heavy as to make the balloon fall to the ground... Hrmmm.
That is pretty much what my mate said:
So which material do you think the string was made of? Heavier than the cloth in the girl's skirt apparently, but still not as heavy as to make the balloon fall to the ground... Hrmmm.
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by fingerz on Mar 2, 2011 15:25:52 GMT 1, could be a poly fibre mix ... ?
could be a poly fibre mix ... ?
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scandi
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by scandi on Mar 2, 2011 15:31:44 GMT 1, That is pretty much what my mate said: So which material do you think the string was made of? Heavier than the cloth in the girl's skirt apparently, but still not as heavy as to make the balloon fall to the ground... Hrmmm.
Why heavier? Keep in mind the girl is standing still while the balloon is moving.
That is pretty much what my mate said: So which material do you think the string was made of? Heavier than the cloth in the girl's skirt apparently, but still not as heavy as to make the balloon fall to the ground... Hrmmm. Why heavier? Keep in mind the girl is standing still while the balloon is moving. |
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by des77 on Mar 2, 2011 15:41:00 GMT 1, as I said, balloon dragging the string 
as I said, balloon dragging the string |
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by bazzj04 on Mar 2, 2011 15:42:53 GMT 1, BRILLIANT
BRILLIANT
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chrisps303
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by chrisps303 on Mar 2, 2011 15:51:56 GMT 1,
Is that you in the photo fragile?
Is that you in the photo fragile? |
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Neate Michael
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by Neate Michael on Mar 2, 2011 16:03:51 GMT 1, No wind in that photo though is there. In Banksy's piece her skirt and her are moving with the wind.
The suggestion is that they are moving so much the wind would surely move the string too.
I must say that I had never noticed this. It's a fun debate!
No wind in that photo though is there. In Banksy's piece her skirt and her are moving with the wind.
The suggestion is that they are moving so much the wind would surely move the string too.
I must say that I had never noticed this. It's a fun debate!
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by des77 on Mar 2, 2011 16:21:16 GMT 1, No wind in that photo though is there. In Banksy's piece her skirt and her are moving with the wind. The suggestion is that they are moving so much the wind would surely move the string too. I must say that I had never noticed this. It's a fun debate!
Id say the string is more aerodynamic than the balloon and the balloon has a bigger surface for the wind to catch... meaning although the wind is blowing both, its the balloon the wind has more effect on
thats my theory anyway
No wind in that photo though is there. In Banksy's piece her skirt and her are moving with the wind. The suggestion is that they are moving so much the wind would surely move the string too. I must say that I had never noticed this. It's a fun debate! Id say the string is more aerodynamic than the balloon and the balloon has a bigger surface for the wind to catch... meaning although the wind is blowing both, its the balloon the wind has more effect on thats my theory anyway |
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milkybinbags
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by milkybinbags on Mar 2, 2011 17:11:06 GMT 1, because of the wind, the balloon would be ahead of the string when it is let go. it would take time to catch up, hence the girl's hair/skirt blowing in the wind yet the string is still trailing. as des77 said, the surface area of the string is much smaller than everything else, so would be less affected by the wind immediately.
because of the wind, the balloon would be ahead of the string when it is let go. it would take time to catch up, hence the girl's hair/skirt blowing in the wind yet the string is still trailing. as des77 said, the surface area of the string is much smaller than everything else, so would be less affected by the wind immediately.
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by Agent Provocateur on Mar 2, 2011 18:33:44 GMT 1, 'Fraid I'm going to have to be pedantic here... wind from left to right, balloon lighter than air blown to right, cord on balloon not lighter than air so slightly hangs behind balloon. Seems fair to me... or have I missed something ;D But her hair and skirt (like string, not lighter than air) are blown gustily to the right . That's the rub.
I think the word I'm looking for is 'swirling' 
'Fraid I'm going to have to be pedantic here... wind from left to right, balloon lighter than air blown to right, cord on balloon not lighter than air so slightly hangs behind balloon. Seems fair to me... or have I missed something ;D But her hair and skirt (like string, not lighter than air) are blown gustily to the right . That's the rub. I think the word I'm looking for is ' swirling' |
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Warm Gun
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by Warm Gun on Mar 2, 2011 18:51:23 GMT 1, f**k worrying about this go and look at the s&s thumbs and then come back to me.
f**k worrying about this go and look at the s&s thumbs and then come back to me. I've never seen the problem with the s&s thumbs, what's the issue with them? (right blue thumb missing?) |
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Banksy Girl w/ Balloon Question (its not how much), by jonnyx on Mar 2, 2011 19:06:04 GMT 1, it's not really a question of weight. it's a question of density and force. the (assumed) helium balloon is less dense than the forces acting upon it (the air and the wind) - helium has a density in gas form of 0.1786 g per litre while air has a density of 1 gram per litre. i can't remember how to work out the density of objects so i can't do the string, but i think it's safe to say that string is more dense than both helium and air.
so anyway, that's why helium 'floats' in air - add to this fact there's a fair amount of wind acting as a horizontal force on the balloon thus pushing it sideways.
because the string is more dense than air, if it were separated from the balloon, it would (in a light to moderate breeze) fall straight to the ground.
as it is it's attached to the balloon which is so much less dense than air that the string 'benefits' from the forces being enacted on the balloon and 'hitches a ride' as it were.
so actually the balloon is not so much dragging the string along, more the string is slowing down the progress of the balloon much like a (rather crappy) parachute.
hope this helps.
(edit) btw - the bit about how come the girl's dress is blowing when it's heavier (or indeed more dense) than string is a red herring in this instance because the girl is a static object whereas the balloon is a moving object. if you look up 'action of a helium balloon in a moving car' or similar such wording that explains it better than i can (it's to do with the context and relationships to objects of different densities and the forces which are exerted upon them.
it's not really a question of weight. it's a question of density and force. the (assumed) helium balloon is less dense than the forces acting upon it (the air and the wind) - helium has a density in gas form of 0.1786 g per litre while air has a density of 1 gram per litre. i can't remember how to work out the density of objects so i can't do the string, but i think it's safe to say that string is more dense than both helium and air.
so anyway, that's why helium 'floats' in air - add to this fact there's a fair amount of wind acting as a horizontal force on the balloon thus pushing it sideways.
because the string is more dense than air, if it were separated from the balloon, it would (in a light to moderate breeze) fall straight to the ground.
as it is it's attached to the balloon which is so much less dense than air that the string 'benefits' from the forces being enacted on the balloon and 'hitches a ride' as it were.
so actually the balloon is not so much dragging the string along, more the string is slowing down the progress of the balloon much like a (rather crappy) parachute.
hope this helps.
(edit) btw - the bit about how come the girl's dress is blowing when it's heavier (or indeed more dense) than string is a red herring in this instance because the girl is a static object whereas the balloon is a moving object. if you look up 'action of a helium balloon in a moving car' or similar such wording that explains it better than i can (it's to do with the context and relationships to objects of different densities and the forces which are exerted upon them.
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