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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by bullet on Dec 18, 2010 20:03:22 GMT 1, Theres a simple way to stop it and its got nothing to do with pow.
Silky wont like it though.
The reason for things getting like those with the dran as well is people on here making threads which go on for over 120 pages, making things up. The night of the banksy release, 270 people were viewing the main page at one time and there is normally around 20. Out of that, who was posting? Prob about 15 people.
Just close the forum to lurkers, make it all viewable to members only. Im not saying cut everyone off..just ony people that have say 10 or more posts. Then the people that are riding on what we are all saying dont get fed. Ticket touts and gangs are not going to be posting on an art forum. Theynwould not even know where to enter their member name to get in.
All pow do is release paper. The rest is the people causing problems.
Theres a simple way to stop it and its got nothing to do with pow.
Silky wont like it though.
The reason for things getting like those with the dran as well is people on here making threads which go on for over 120 pages, making things up. The night of the banksy release, 270 people were viewing the main page at one time and there is normally around 20. Out of that, who was posting? Prob about 15 people.
Just close the forum to lurkers, make it all viewable to members only. Im not saying cut everyone off..just ony people that have say 10 or more posts. Then the people that are riding on what we are all saying dont get fed. Ticket touts and gangs are not going to be posting on an art forum. Theynwould not even know where to enter their member name to get in.
All pow do is release paper. The rest is the people causing problems.
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Gentle Mental
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by Gentle Mental on Dec 18, 2010 20:05:44 GMT 1, This is the reality: I think the total number of winners from this board and Giant's account for less than 10 percent of the release. 90 percent will go on sale at a premium of at least ยฃ2k above cost, each - all of which could've gone to the cause, the artist, or to whatever POW wants to do with the loot. So only real fans use forums ? non forum users are flippers ? How do you know 'real' Banksy fans can afford to pay 'market' prices ? Although ยฃ450 is cheap in relation to the worth after purchase, to many its still a lot of money to be spening on art... any higher and he loses 50% of his market imo Raise the prices and you end up like Micallef or adam Neate, basically having to start there collector case again as everything crashed.
missed my point.
this forum is INFESTED with flippers. but that is ok.
My point is - only a very small number of people who want to buy and keep the print gets from POW. the rest of us, a huge majority of us, pay thousands more to the flippers.
this is the reality.
I don't think Micallef or Neate are doing their fans any harm - after the flood and the LAZ, now you buy a Micallef because you really love the image - AND you can get it from source without too many sleepless nights.
SIMPLY BECAUSE the flip value is not as obscene as a banksy - perfect - only the flippers are suffering.
As for the poorer collectors - mass it like fairey. banksy.co.uk has enough stuff to drip for years.
I think Faile explored all avenues (random drop, Q lottery) but is coming close to getting it right - a big edition at lower price like flags, and higher price for smaller eds.
Banksy should really give the Patricks a call.
This is the reality: I think the total number of winners from this board and Giant's account for less than 10 percent of the release. 90 percent will go on sale at a premium of at least ยฃ2k above cost, each - all of which could've gone to the cause, the artist, or to whatever POW wants to do with the loot. So only real fans use forums ? non forum users are flippers ? How do you know 'real' Banksy fans can afford to pay 'market' prices ? Although ยฃ450 is cheap in relation to the worth after purchase, to many its still a lot of money to be spening on art... any higher and he loses 50% of his market imo Raise the prices and you end up like Micallef or adam Neate, basically having to start there collector case again as everything crashed. missed my point. this forum is INFESTED with flippers. but that is ok. My point is - only a very small number of people who want to buy and keep the print gets from POW. the rest of us, a huge majority of us, pay thousands more to the flippers. this is the reality. I don't think Micallef or Neate are doing their fans any harm - after the flood and the LAZ, now you buy a Micallef because you really love the image - AND you can get it from source without too many sleepless nights. SIMPLY BECAUSE the flip value is not as obscene as a banksy - perfect - only the flippers are suffering. As for the poorer collectors - mass it like fairey. banksy.co.uk has enough stuff to drip for years. I think Faile explored all avenues (random drop, Q lottery) but is coming close to getting it right - a big edition at lower price like flags, and higher price for smaller eds. Banksy should really give the Patricks a call.
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St. Art Gallery
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by St. Art Gallery on Dec 18, 2010 20:08:05 GMT 1, Once you have bought something its yours, you then have the right to do what you want with it, its called ownership. Keep it, give it away, destroy it or sell it, it is your choice and i would love to see any company try and put restrictions on what you can do with something that you legally own. The lawyers would have a field day. Art is no different to any other commodity, the free market economy stimulates growth and encourages new artists to give it a go and try to make a living out of what is their passion. Its hard to take when you cant get what you want and you see people getting in before you and making a fast ยฃ, but hey, thats the real world. There has been some interesting ideas put about such as buying raffle tickets upfront, but i just see that as those having the deepest pockets having the biggest punt, surely not the right way forward. There is no perfect solution so lets all relax a little bit, the sun is still shining, no-one died and the same will happen next year. off my high horse now and going for a smoke.
People making a fast buck is the problem. What was the current financial crisis caused by ?
Once you have bought something its yours, you then have the right to do what you want with it, its called ownership. Keep it, give it away, destroy it or sell it, it is your choice and i would love to see any company try and put restrictions on what you can do with something that you legally own. The lawyers would have a field day. Art is no different to any other commodity, the free market economy stimulates growth and encourages new artists to give it a go and try to make a living out of what is their passion. Its hard to take when you cant get what you want and you see people getting in before you and making a fast ยฃ, but hey, thats the real world. There has been some interesting ideas put about such as buying raffle tickets upfront, but i just see that as those having the deepest pockets having the biggest punt, surely not the right way forward. There is no perfect solution so lets all relax a little bit, the sun is still shining, no-one died and the same will happen next year. off my high horse now and going for a smoke. People making a fast buck is the problem. What was the current financial crisis caused by ?
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by Deleted on Dec 18, 2010 20:08:50 GMT 1, If a little 'heat' was taken out of the Banksy market it might help though right?
Or adopt the counter editions model?
If a little 'heat' was taken out of the Banksy market it might help though right? Or adopt the counter editions model?
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by St. Art Gallery on Dec 18, 2010 20:16:35 GMT 1, In that case POW should release the prints at a price of 4500 GBP. Prevents flipping and more money can be donated to charity. Rich people don't flip art for profit? I thought that was the only reason the rich were interested in art. PROFIT, well maybe status too...
This reply was made by me because balibob stated that people making a fast buck is ok. Now a lot of these prints are being sold on ebay with huge profits by people who make a living with flipping prints. I rather see the profit go to charity rather than into the pockets of flippers.
IMO art should be affordable for everyone (not every piece can obviously) and it should go to people who buy it and hang it on their wall and not to people making a quick buck. That does not make any sense.
In that case POW should release the prints at a price of 4500 GBP. Prevents flipping and more money can be donated to charity. Rich people don't flip art for profit? I thought that was the only reason the rich were interested in art. PROFIT, well maybe status too... This reply was made by me because balibob stated that people making a fast buck is ok. Now a lot of these prints are being sold on ebay with huge profits by people who make a living with flipping prints. I rather see the profit go to charity rather than into the pockets of flippers. IMO art should be affordable for everyone (not every piece can obviously) and it should go to people who buy it and hang it on their wall and not to people making a quick buck. That does not make any sense.
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by des77 on Dec 18, 2010 20:21:02 GMT 1, Trouble is faile went from editions of 6, Banksy has always done big editions and if the current following turned tyo faile im sure the system they use would no longer be suitable.
Wether anyone likes it or not, hype is a huge part of the machine.. without it Banksy as a brand suffers and the high end stuff also has its prices reduced. Banksy is a buisnessman, although some seem to forget that
Shep releases big editions and people still miss out, flipping still occurs.. there is no solution.
Trouble is faile went from editions of 6, Banksy has always done big editions and if the current following turned tyo faile im sure the system they use would no longer be suitable.
Wether anyone likes it or not, hype is a huge part of the machine.. without it Banksy as a brand suffers and the high end stuff also has its prices reduced. Banksy is a buisnessman, although some seem to forget that
Shep releases big editions and people still miss out, flipping still occurs.. there is no solution.
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Gentle Mental
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by Gentle Mental on Dec 19, 2010 9:38:16 GMT 1, I don't think Banksy needs to worry about his brand "suffering". (I really don't think that's what keeping him and POW up at night)
Shep's bunfights are still way easier than a Banksy release.
Shep's $45 prints go for $100-$500 on the bay. Still affordable to those who really like the image.
Flippers don't make as much and thus less likely to pay too much attention.
The only people against large and frequent release and/or priced to market prints are the people who really want a fast profit.
And they are the ones benefiting the most from the past few releases.
I don't think Banksy needs to worry about his brand "suffering". (I really don't think that's what keeping him and POW up at night)
Shep's bunfights are still way easier than a Banksy release.
Shep's $45 prints go for $100-$500 on the bay. Still affordable to those who really like the image.
Flippers don't make as much and thus less likely to pay too much attention.
The only people against large and frequent release and/or priced to market prints are the people who really want a fast profit.
And they are the ones benefiting the most from the past few releases.
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by nrgball on Jan 15, 2011 7:22:06 GMT 1, Some interesting arguments here. I just wanted to add that at the most 30 CYW prints of an about 500 have been flipped. It seems like another 20 will hit the market in the next few months. So maybe 10% of the prints will be flipped, give or take. That means quite a few fans have landed prints.
Some interesting arguments here. I just wanted to add that at the most 30 CYW prints of an about 500 have been flipped. It seems like another 20 will hit the market in the next few months. So maybe 10% of the prints will be flipped, give or take. That means quite a few fans have landed prints.
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by wizzy on Jan 15, 2011 9:41:03 GMT 1, Some interesting arguments here. I just wanted to add that at the most 30 CYW prints of an about 500 have been flipped. It seems like another 20 will hit the market in the next few months. So maybe 10% of the prints will be flipped, give or take. That means quite a few fans have landed prints.
Is the figure you mention the official figure?, would it include all the private sales and trades / swaps etc? and also the ones by those people who have nothing to do with this forum?, with respect i would think the figure is much much higher.
Some interesting arguments here. I just wanted to add that at the most 30 CYW prints of an about 500 have been flipped. It seems like another 20 will hit the market in the next few months. So maybe 10% of the prints will be flipped, give or take. That means quite a few fans have landed prints. Is the figure you mention the official figure?, would it include all the private sales and trades / swaps etc? and also the ones by those people who have nothing to do with this forum?, with respect i would think the figure is much much higher.
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by debaser on Jan 15, 2011 9:48:10 GMT 1, Even with the private sales and trades, it seems that CYW has ended up being the least flipped B print when compared to NBG VLH and donuts. Its down to the image (one of his best for ages) and the low editions of 25. I suspect that this release will be the only chance for us broke and penniless members of owning a low edition B print. All IMO of course
Even with the private sales and trades, it seems that CYW has ended up being the least flipped B print when compared to NBG VLH and donuts. Its down to the image (one of his best for ages) and the low editions of 25. I suspect that this release will be the only chance for us broke and penniless members of owning a low edition B print. All IMO of course
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by nrgball on Jan 15, 2011 19:28:21 GMT 1, Certainly not an official figure. Based solely on the Bay. Wizbong, Your probably right that a few galleries and private sales have occurred but they have little effect on the bay. Trades exist mainly between fans either of Banksy or of art in general so I would not categorize this a "big" problem concerning flippers. So I'm gonna argue that the "official" figure is around 15-18% of the prints get flipped. Not too bad a percentage. IMO
Certainly not an official figure. Based solely on the Bay. Wizbong, Your probably right that a few galleries and private sales have occurred but they have little effect on the bay. Trades exist mainly between fans either of Banksy or of art in general so I would not categorize this a "big" problem concerning flippers. So I'm gonna argue that the "official" figure is around 15-18% of the prints get flipped. Not too bad a percentage. IMO
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 22:12:07 GMT 1, Some interesting arguments here. I just wanted to add that at the most 30 CYW prints of an about 500 have been flipped. It seems like another 20 will hit the market in the next few months. So maybe 10% of the prints will be flipped, give or take. That means quite a few fans have landed prints. Is the figure you mention the official figure?, would it include all the private sales and trades / swaps etc? and also the ones by those people who have nothing to do with this forum?, with respect i would think the figure is much much higher.
Your point of view intrigues me Wiz and it's one that I broadly agree with - what % of purchases do you reckon still sit with original buyer? I'd guess between 65 - 70%.
Some interesting arguments here. I just wanted to add that at the most 30 CYW prints of an about 500 have been flipped. It seems like another 20 will hit the market in the next few months. So maybe 10% of the prints will be flipped, give or take. That means quite a few fans have landed prints. Is the figure you mention the official figure?, would it include all the private sales and trades / swaps etc? and also the ones by those people who have nothing to do with this forum?, with respect i would think the figure is much much higher. Your point of view intrigues me Wiz and it's one that I broadly agree with - what % of purchases do you reckon still sit with original buyer? I'd guess between 65 - 70%.
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by colinfishwick on Jan 16, 2011 11:09:51 GMT 1, Don't forget that there's a whole marketing strategy by selling cheap... In any way, they don't make their money on prints.. They'll make their money on OG's they are privately selling to rich people.. I don't really who is managing Banksy but I can imagine that even mr B. is the nicest fellow in the world and doesn't care about money doesn't mean that people working for his image aren't looking this way... I was actually thinking about this but it's funny to here artists that they are not looking to get rich, famous or getting any attention but what's the point of painting on walls if you don't want people to recognize your work and being praised. It's like if you were told that a singer doesn't want people to hear and acclaim his songs... As of today, there's no point of releasing unsigned prints or large editions. They have to control mr B. value and they control that by controlling the output. I wish that they could be a time release or an unlimited quality screenprint but it's not going to happen if wants to go to next step.. Just my 2 cents...
first off Banksy doesn't care about money, i've heard stories about him being deliberately obtuse when there is a commercial opportunity - Cans Festival being a good example.
secondly, money, notoriety etc is all a by product of success - as an artist he wants his work to be seen by as many people as possible but with this comes fame and wealth - how does he deal with that? by staying anonymous and keeping his personal life out of the press and by giving away large amounts of his cash to charities he supports and by putting on events that cost a fortune but have little in the way of income.
thirdly, POW and Banksy no longer produce unsigned editions as there were counterfeit prints put on to the market and it was felt the best way to prevent this in the future was to only release signed editions.
finally, there are many people (including many members of this forum) who know all about Banksy and street art and yet still flip his prints - how do you distinguish out and out flippers, to small time flippers who keep some bits and not others from those who have never even sold or traded a print in their life? who are we to decide who deserves what and who is most worthy?
this forum is an interesting place to discuss art but once it comes down to the distribution of it too many people harp on like Banksy or POW owe them a living for some reason......
Don't forget that there's a whole marketing strategy by selling cheap... In any way, they don't make their money on prints.. They'll make their money on OG's they are privately selling to rich people.. I don't really who is managing Banksy but I can imagine that even mr B. is the nicest fellow in the world and doesn't care about money doesn't mean that people working for his image aren't looking this way... I was actually thinking about this but it's funny to here artists that they are not looking to get rich, famous or getting any attention but what's the point of painting on walls if you don't want people to recognize your work and being praised. It's like if you were told that a singer doesn't want people to hear and acclaim his songs... As of today, there's no point of releasing unsigned prints or large editions. They have to control mr B. value and they control that by controlling the output. I wish that they could be a time release or an unlimited quality screenprint but it's not going to happen if wants to go to next step.. Just my 2 cents... first off Banksy doesn't care about money, i've heard stories about him being deliberately obtuse when there is a commercial opportunity - Cans Festival being a good example. secondly, money, notoriety etc is all a by product of success - as an artist he wants his work to be seen by as many people as possible but with this comes fame and wealth - how does he deal with that? by staying anonymous and keeping his personal life out of the press and by giving away large amounts of his cash to charities he supports and by putting on events that cost a fortune but have little in the way of income. thirdly, POW and Banksy no longer produce unsigned editions as there were counterfeit prints put on to the market and it was felt the best way to prevent this in the future was to only release signed editions. finally, there are many people (including many members of this forum) who know all about Banksy and street art and yet still flip his prints - how do you distinguish out and out flippers, to small time flippers who keep some bits and not others from those who have never even sold or traded a print in their life? who are we to decide who deserves what and who is most worthy? this forum is an interesting place to discuss art but once it comes down to the distribution of it too many people harp on like Banksy or POW owe them a living for some reason......
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by colinfishwick on Jan 16, 2011 11:14:49 GMT 1, Just sell the prints for market price. Problem solved, but I'm guessing that wouldn't be a popular solution.
it will take me 9 months to clear the ยฃ450 off my CC for CYW, i have the usual house/car/family bills and putting ยฃ50 a month to one side to cover this makes it just about affordable to me - i had to sell a print in order to be able to frame it before next Christmas!
not everyone has a huge disposable income, ten years ago i could have afforded market value but not now - i've even got a fixed mortgage so i'm not benefitting from the stupidly low interest rates!!!
Just sell the prints for market price. Problem solved, but I'm guessing that wouldn't be a popular solution. it will take me 9 months to clear the ยฃ450 off my CC for CYW, i have the usual house/car/family bills and putting ยฃ50 a month to one side to cover this makes it just about affordable to me - i had to sell a print in order to be able to frame it before next Christmas! not everyone has a huge disposable income, ten years ago i could have afforded market value but not now - i've even got a fixed mortgage so i'm not benefitting from the stupidly low interest rates!!!
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by colinfishwick on Jan 16, 2011 11:22:15 GMT 1, Some interesting arguments here. I just wanted to add that at the most 30 CYW prints of an about 500 have been flipped. It seems like another 20 will hit the market in the next few months. So maybe 10% of the prints will be flipped, give or take. That means quite a few fans have landed prints.
exactly, the vast majority of these prints went to collectors and of those flipped, i'd guess as many were by clued up flippers who contribute to online forums as there were by pure chancers and professional flippers.
Some interesting arguments here. I just wanted to add that at the most 30 CYW prints of an about 500 have been flipped. It seems like another 20 will hit the market in the next few months. So maybe 10% of the prints will be flipped, give or take. That means quite a few fans have landed prints. exactly, the vast majority of these prints went to collectors and of those flipped, i'd guess as many were by clued up flippers who contribute to online forums as there were by pure chancers and professional flippers.
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by eddiedangerous on Jan 16, 2011 14:36:33 GMT 1, Just sell the prints for market price. Problem solved, but I'm guessing that wouldn't be a popular solution. it will take me 9 months to clear the ยฃ450 off my CC for CYW, i have the usual house/car/family bills and putting ยฃ50 a month to one side to cover this makes it just about affordable to me - i had to sell a print in order to be able to frame it before next Christmas! not everyone has a huge disposable income, ten years ago i could have afforded market value but not now - i've even got a fixed mortgage so i'm not benefitting from the stupidly low interest rates!!!
you mean tracker dont you, fixed rate you'd be a bit fucked right now?
Just sell the prints for market price. Problem solved, but I'm guessing that wouldn't be a popular solution. it will take me 9 months to clear the ยฃ450 off my CC for CYW, i have the usual house/car/family bills and putting ยฃ50 a month to one side to cover this makes it just about affordable to me - i had to sell a print in order to be able to frame it before next Christmas! not everyone has a huge disposable income, ten years ago i could have afforded market value but not now - i've even got a fixed mortgage so i'm not benefitting from the stupidly low interest rates!!! you mean tracker dont you, fixed rate you'd be a bit fucked right now?
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by Coach on Jan 16, 2011 15:50:47 GMT 1, it will take me 9 months to clear the ยฃ450 off my CC for CYW, i have the usual house/car/family bills and putting ยฃ50 a month to one side to cover this makes it just about affordable to me - i had to sell a print in order to be able to frame it before next Christmas! not everyone has a huge disposable income, ten years ago i could have afforded market value but not now - i've even got a fixed mortgage so i'm not benefitting from the stupidly low interest rates!!! you mean tracker dont you, fixed rate you'd be a bit f**ked right now?
I think he meant fixed rate. I am in the same boat. Fixed rate mortgage, fixed just before the rates started to come down, in (if memory serves) 2008, so paying heaps more than everyone else. Sucks.
it will take me 9 months to clear the ยฃ450 off my CC for CYW, i have the usual house/car/family bills and putting ยฃ50 a month to one side to cover this makes it just about affordable to me - i had to sell a print in order to be able to frame it before next Christmas! not everyone has a huge disposable income, ten years ago i could have afforded market value but not now - i've even got a fixed mortgage so i'm not benefitting from the stupidly low interest rates!!! you mean tracker dont you, fixed rate you'd be a bit f**ked right now? I think he meant fixed rate. I am in the same boat. Fixed rate mortgage, fixed just before the rates started to come down, in (if memory serves) 2008, so paying heaps more than everyone else. Sucks.
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by eddiedangerous on Jan 16, 2011 16:04:08 GMT 1, ho yeah sorry missed the "not" bit, not benefiting. anyway it doesnt matter colin will be doing a nice long stretch at her majesty's pleasure soon enough
ho yeah sorry missed the "not" bit, not benefiting. anyway it doesnt matter colin will be doing a nice long stretch at her majesty's pleasure soon enough
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by wizzy on Jan 16, 2011 16:08:16 GMT 1, One way of putting flipsters off is find the worse one then roll them flat with a steam roller then roll them up so they fit inside a cardboard tube, im sure this would act as a deterrent to any others.
One way of putting flipsters off is find the worse one then roll them flat with a steam roller then roll them up so they fit inside a cardboard tube, im sure this would act as a deterrent to any others.
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by boaty on Jan 16, 2011 16:40:52 GMT 1, you mean tracker dont you, fixed rate you'd be a bit f**ked right now? I think he meant fixed rate. I am in the same boat. Fixed rate mortgage, fixed just before the rates started to come down, in (if memory serves) 2008, so paying heaps more than everyone else. Sucks. can't you refinance the rate into a lower fixed rate? hopefully the refi costs would not exceed the savings?
you mean tracker dont you, fixed rate you'd be a bit f**ked right now? I think he meant fixed rate. I am in the same boat. Fixed rate mortgage, fixed just before the rates started to come down, in (if memory serves) 2008, so paying heaps more than everyone else. Sucks. can't you refinance the rate into a lower fixed rate? hopefully the refi costs would not exceed the savings?
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by Coach on Jan 16, 2011 17:05:10 GMT 1, I think he meant fixed rate. I am in the same boat. Fixed rate mortgage, fixed just before the rates started to come down, in (if memory serves) 2008, so paying heaps more than everyone else. Sucks. can't you refinance the rate into a lower fixed rate? hopefully the refi costs would not exceed the savings?
Probably. Looked into it a while ago, and the penalty at that time was too high. This has served as a timely reminder to look at it again. Cheers fella
I think he meant fixed rate. I am in the same boat. Fixed rate mortgage, fixed just before the rates started to come down, in (if memory serves) 2008, so paying heaps more than everyone else. Sucks. can't you refinance the rate into a lower fixed rate? hopefully the refi costs would not exceed the savings? Probably. Looked into it a while ago, and the penalty at that time was too high. This has served as a timely reminder to look at it again. Cheers fella
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by Coach on Jan 16, 2011 17:07:44 GMT 1, ho yeah sorry missed the "not" bit, not benefiting. anyway it doesnt matter colin will be doing a nice long stretch at her majesty's pleasure soon enough
Haha! I am not sure how much more I can take of the pained expressions!
ho yeah sorry missed the "not" bit, not benefiting. anyway it doesnt matter colin will be doing a nice long stretch at her majesty's pleasure soon enough Haha! I am not sure how much more I can take of the pained expressions!
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by gironawatch on Jan 17, 2011 16:53:15 GMT 1, Not to sale any more print under 3k, if you like the print pay market price if not dont buy it.
Not to sale any more print under 3k, if you like the print pay market price if not dont buy it.
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mmmike
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March 2010
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by mmmike on Jan 17, 2011 17:04:27 GMT 1, I know it will never happen but it would be interesting to see if Banksy did a time release print for 450 gbp how many would sell. If it were well advertised and no limit to how many you could order. I bet the demand would be reduced quite a bit as flipping wouldn't be quite so profitable.
I know it will never happen but it would be interesting to see if Banksy did a time release print for 450 gbp how many would sell. If it were well advertised and no limit to how many you could order. I bet the demand would be reduced quite a bit as flipping wouldn't be quite so profitable.
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chrisps303
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December 2006
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POW Releases - How to put flippers off, by chrisps303 on Jan 17, 2011 20:10:10 GMT 1, can't you refinance the rate into a lower fixed rate? hopefully the refi costs would not exceed the savings? Probably. Looked into it a while ago, and the penalty at that time was too high. This has served as a timely reminder to look at it again. Cheers fella
Im with you there, fixed at the wrong time and too much cost to get out early!
can't you refinance the rate into a lower fixed rate? hopefully the refi costs would not exceed the savings? Probably. Looked into it a while ago, and the penalty at that time was too high. This has served as a timely reminder to look at it again. Cheers fella Im with you there, fixed at the wrong time and too much cost to get out early!
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