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Emin's bid to save Titians, by Daniel Silk on Aug 28, 2008 18:46:33 GMT 1, Emin's bid to save Titians
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7586593.stm
Two British galleries have launched a public appeal to try to save a pair of Renaissance paintings by the Italian artist Titian.
Artist Tracey Emin explained why she thinks the paintings should stay in the National Gallery of Scotland in Edinburgh.
Emin's bid to save Titians news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7586593.stmTwo British galleries have launched a public appeal to try to save a pair of Renaissance paintings by the Italian artist Titian. Artist Tracey Emin explained why she thinks the paintings should stay in the National Gallery of Scotland in Edinburgh. |
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Emin's bid to save Titians, by James Smith 77 on Aug 28, 2008 19:17:27 GMT 1,
Way to go Tracey. I like her. She always has sex and orgies on her mind. ;D
Way to go Tracey. I like her. She always has sex and orgies on her mind. ;D
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Emin's bid to save Titians, by bullet on Aug 28, 2008 23:03:58 GMT 1, Love the fact that on an art forum this has been completely ignored.
Maybe prices should be mentioned then people on here may get excited...
the fact that the gallery has got 2 titians for ยฃ100m but in the open market they would be worth 3 times that much, so flippers paradise then.
Many on here would have a wet dream over that...
Love the fact that on an art forum this has been completely ignored.
Maybe prices should be mentioned then people on here may get excited...
the fact that the gallery has got 2 titians for ยฃ100m but in the open market they would be worth 3 times that much, so flippers paradise then.
Many on here would have a wet dream over that...
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Emin's bid to save Titians, by Deleted on Aug 28, 2008 23:10:33 GMT 1, Thank you JBoy, i had missed that completely. Always liked Tracey Emin even if i did not understand some of her work i like the person, she is so passionate about everything.
Thank you JBoy, i had missed that completely. Always liked Tracey Emin even if i did not understand some of her work i like the person, she is so passionate about everything.
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Emin's bid to save Titians, by bradpitt on Aug 28, 2008 23:12:59 GMT 1, Yeah, Tracey Emin would definitely get it. I don't care that she looks like a horse.
Yeah, Tracey Emin would definitely get it. I don't care that she looks like a horse.
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Emin's bid to save Titians, by slowmo on Aug 28, 2008 23:38:55 GMT 1, Smell the fuckin coffee, Selling work like this provides trusts and grants that enable people like Emin to make a living (or indeed get emin to a position where she can make a living), no choice in the matter, there are loads of Titians in the world to look at, losing 2 for ยฃ100m would make an incredible difference to scottish art far outweighing the benefit of some undergraduate saving an air fare to Madrid to see hundreds if titians by viewing 2! FFS
Smell the fuckin coffee, Selling work like this provides trusts and grants that enable people like Emin to make a living (or indeed get emin to a position where she can make a living), no choice in the matter, there are loads of Titians in the world to look at, losing 2 for ยฃ100m would make an incredible difference to scottish art far outweighing the benefit of some undergraduate saving an air fare to Madrid to see hundreds if titians by viewing 2! FFS
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Emin's bid to save Titians, by carlito on Aug 29, 2008 10:09:41 GMT 1, hmmmmm 2 paintings or a whole heap of money towards ensuring people get medicine they need etc on the nhs....I'd rather see that money used to save lives .... I know it would just disappear in a big vat of public spending but I can be an idealist......I'd say this story has been totally missed because this kind of art is about as far removed from street art as you can get....
hmmmmm 2 paintings or a whole heap of money towards ensuring people get medicine they need etc on the nhs....I'd rather see that money used to save lives .... I know it would just disappear in a big vat of public spending but I can be an idealist......I'd say this story has been totally missed because this kind of art is about as far removed from street art as you can get....
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Emin's bid to save Titians, by robstar on Aug 29, 2008 10:14:58 GMT 1, KEEP THE PAINTINGS! I agree with Tracey. Good on her! It's true these paintings are incredible and we deserve to have them. Don't let some collector take them home! It's madness!
KEEP THE PAINTINGS! I agree with Tracey. Good on her! It's true these paintings are incredible and we deserve to have them. Don't let some collector take them home! It's madness!
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Emin's bid to save Titians, by griffermans on Aug 29, 2008 10:20:10 GMT 1, Sell them I say for 300m. Tell Kelly Sotherton she can keep the lot if she wins gold in 2012. Watch her train her lazy arse off. She might even learn how to throw a javelin!
Sell them I say for 300m. Tell Kelly Sotherton she can keep the lot if she wins gold in 2012. Watch her train her lazy arse off. She might even learn how to throw a javelin!
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Emin's bid to save Titians, by doublehelix on Aug 29, 2008 10:22:08 GMT 1, Smell the f**kin coffee, Selling work like this provides trusts and grants that enable people like Emin to make a living (or indeed get emin to a position where she can make a living), no choice in the matter, there are loads of Titians in the world to look at, losing 2 for ยฃ100m would make an incredible difference to scottish art far outweighing the benefit of some undergraduate saving an air fare to Madrid to see hundreds if titians by viewing 2! FFS
Er, these are privately owned, they are only on loan to the gallery, so the money gained from the sale of the paintings will go to the private owner, not the gallery.
Smell the f**kin coffee, Selling work like this provides trusts and grants that enable people like Emin to make a living (or indeed get emin to a position where she can make a living), no choice in the matter, there are loads of Titians in the world to look at, losing 2 for ยฃ100m would make an incredible difference to scottish art far outweighing the benefit of some undergraduate saving an air fare to Madrid to see hundreds if titians by viewing 2! FFS Er, these are privately owned, they are only on loan to the gallery, so the money gained from the sale of the paintings will go to the private owner, not the gallery. |
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Emin's bid to save Titians, by carlito on Aug 29, 2008 10:28:37 GMT 1, Leading article: Art for whose sake?
Friday, 29 August 2008
The Duke of Sutherland's decision to sell off his collection of old masters will set in motion the biggest fundraising effort in Britain's public gallery sector since the National Gallery set about acquiring The Madonna of the Pinks six years ago. London's National Gallery is involved again, along with the National Galleries of Scotland. They have joined forces in an effort to buy two sublime works by Titian for ยฃ100m.
But should the Government get involved and use public money to help acquire the works for the nation? It is a more finely balanced argument than many cheerleaders for the acquisition are prepared to admit. We should not underestimate the inspirational power of great art in national collections. Hundreds of thousands of Britons have been able to enjoy these two paintings for free because they have been on long-term loan to the National Gallery of Scotland. It would be a grave loss indeed if future generations were to be denied that opportunity. And, unlike The Madonna of the Pinks, the Titians in question are indisputably first-rate examples of the artist's work.
Yet there are also counter-arguments to using public money in this way. One is that great art moves around the world much more than ever. "Blockbuster" shows, themed around a single master's work, are greatly in vogue among the world's premier galleries and museums. There is a growing likelihood that great works sold abroad will come back on tour at some stage. There is also something distasteful about a wealthy aristocrat such as the Duke of Sutherland effectively forcing the taxpayer to stump up millions for such works; especially as their market value has often been vastly boosted by their long-term display in public galleries. The duke claims these two works are being offered to the nation for considerably less than he could expect on the open market. But when one considers the tax he would have to pay if he sold them to a private bidder, the offer begins to look rather less generous.
In the end, the outcome of this appeal will depend largely on how much cash can be extracted from the heritage charity sector. The Treasury is not going to stump up all the cash on its own. But ministers might look at whether the tax regime might be further reformed to make it less easy (or desirable) for the holders of these great collections periodically to hold the nation to ransom in the name of art.
Leading article: Art for whose sake?
Friday, 29 August 2008
The Duke of Sutherland's decision to sell off his collection of old masters will set in motion the biggest fundraising effort in Britain's public gallery sector since the National Gallery set about acquiring The Madonna of the Pinks six years ago. London's National Gallery is involved again, along with the National Galleries of Scotland. They have joined forces in an effort to buy two sublime works by Titian for ยฃ100m.
But should the Government get involved and use public money to help acquire the works for the nation? It is a more finely balanced argument than many cheerleaders for the acquisition are prepared to admit. We should not underestimate the inspirational power of great art in national collections. Hundreds of thousands of Britons have been able to enjoy these two paintings for free because they have been on long-term loan to the National Gallery of Scotland. It would be a grave loss indeed if future generations were to be denied that opportunity. And, unlike The Madonna of the Pinks, the Titians in question are indisputably first-rate examples of the artist's work.
Yet there are also counter-arguments to using public money in this way. One is that great art moves around the world much more than ever. "Blockbuster" shows, themed around a single master's work, are greatly in vogue among the world's premier galleries and museums. There is a growing likelihood that great works sold abroad will come back on tour at some stage. There is also something distasteful about a wealthy aristocrat such as the Duke of Sutherland effectively forcing the taxpayer to stump up millions for such works; especially as their market value has often been vastly boosted by their long-term display in public galleries. The duke claims these two works are being offered to the nation for considerably less than he could expect on the open market. But when one considers the tax he would have to pay if he sold them to a private bidder, the offer begins to look rather less generous.
In the end, the outcome of this appeal will depend largely on how much cash can be extracted from the heritage charity sector. The Treasury is not going to stump up all the cash on its own. But ministers might look at whether the tax regime might be further reformed to make it less easy (or desirable) for the holders of these great collections periodically to hold the nation to ransom in the name of art.
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Emin's bid to save Titians, by Prescription Art on Aug 29, 2008 11:30:51 GMT 1, This Duke, already with more money than anyone could know what to do with, holding the country to ransom is disgraceful.
However it's essential that works like these are kept for the nation. They're the top works in the Scottish National Gallery, and they should be kept without doubt.
I think the government should contribute a fair whack of this price, but I also think that the galleries should raise funds themselves by selling some lesser works from their collection... much as we do ourselves. They have huge amounts of art 'under the bed' that will never be on public view even allowing for the rotation of the permanent exhibitions. I'm sure a few of these could go without causing any great loss, especially if it helps keep the Titians.
This Duke, already with more money than anyone could know what to do with, holding the country to ransom is disgraceful.
However it's essential that works like these are kept for the nation. They're the top works in the Scottish National Gallery, and they should be kept without doubt.
I think the government should contribute a fair whack of this price, but I also think that the galleries should raise funds themselves by selling some lesser works from their collection... much as we do ourselves. They have huge amounts of art 'under the bed' that will never be on public view even allowing for the rotation of the permanent exhibitions. I'm sure a few of these could go without causing any great loss, especially if it helps keep the Titians.
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Emin's bid to save Titians, by topper007 on Aug 29, 2008 14:23:06 GMT 1, I wonder if this debate will be had over a couple of Banksy's in 450 years time?
I wonder if this debate will be had over a couple of Banksy's in 450 years time?
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Emin's bid to save Titians, by bullet on Aug 29, 2008 17:29:43 GMT 1, the world would have imploded by then
the world would have imploded by then
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Emin's bid to save Titians, by slowmo on Aug 29, 2008 20:53:33 GMT 1, Smell the f**kin coffee, Selling work like this provides trusts and grants that enable people like Emin to make a living (or indeed get emin to a position where she can make a living), no choice in the matter, there are loads of Titians in the world to look at, losing 2 for ยฃ100m would make an incredible difference to scottish art far outweighing the benefit of some undergraduate saving an air fare to Madrid to see hundreds if titians by viewing 2! FFS Er, these are privately owned, they are only on loan to the gallery, so the money gained from the sale of the paintings will go to the private owner, not the gallery.
Oh s**t, you're right. Well in that case f**k it, let em sell it, lots of things you could do with ยฃ300m of public money other than 2 paintings, artists & art lovers can still fly to madrid for Titian.
Smell the f**kin coffee, Selling work like this provides trusts and grants that enable people like Emin to make a living (or indeed get emin to a position where she can make a living), no choice in the matter, there are loads of Titians in the world to look at, losing 2 for ยฃ100m would make an incredible difference to scottish art far outweighing the benefit of some undergraduate saving an air fare to Madrid to see hundreds if titians by viewing 2! FFS Er, these are privately owned, they are only on loan to the gallery, so the money gained from the sale of the paintings will go to the private owner, not the gallery. Oh s**t, you're right. Well in that case f**k it, let em sell it, lots of things you could do with ยฃ300m of public money other than 2 paintings, artists & art lovers can still fly to madrid for Titian. |
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