BONGO
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by BONGO on Oct 18, 2007 15:53:19 GMT 1, BONGO INTERESTED IN DISINFORMATION AND ABILITY TO CAUSE LOCALISED PANIC BY A FEW WELL POSITIONED WORDS IN PUBLIC ARENA
BONGO NOT APPROVE OF , FOR EXAMPLE, BOMB THREATS CAUSING DISRUPTION AND INCONVENIENCE
BONGO ESPECIALLY INTERESTED IN IDEA OF DISINFORMATION AS PART OF STRATEGIC "ART HAPPENING"
BONGO WANTS TO KNOW IF OBTAINING A REACTION IS THE PRIME MOTIVATION OF SUCH ART
BONGO WANTS TO OPEN DISCUSSION OF DISINFORMATION BEING ART.
BONGO WANT YOUR OPINIONS
BONGO INTERESTED IN DISINFORMATION AND ABILITY TO CAUSE LOCALISED PANIC BY A FEW WELL POSITIONED WORDS IN PUBLIC ARENA
BONGO NOT APPROVE OF , FOR EXAMPLE, BOMB THREATS CAUSING DISRUPTION AND INCONVENIENCE
BONGO ESPECIALLY INTERESTED IN IDEA OF DISINFORMATION AS PART OF STRATEGIC "ART HAPPENING"
BONGO WANTS TO KNOW IF OBTAINING A REACTION IS THE PRIME MOTIVATION OF SUCH ART
BONGO WANTS TO OPEN DISCUSSION OF DISINFORMATION BEING ART.
BONGO WANT YOUR OPINIONS
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BONGO
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by BONGO on Oct 18, 2007 15:54:50 GMT 1, BONGO WAITING
BONGO WAITING
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by absyrd on Oct 18, 2007 16:01:02 GMT 1, Heavy stuff.
If disinformation is an art form, then Fox News is the Picasso.
I'd like to think it is more of a science where the provider of such disinformation is looking for a particular objective reaction that in some way benefits them in a tangible way. In art, generally the reaction "desired" is more subjective, or based on the individuals perception of it and the reward may be something much more intangible.
Does that make any sense to anyone but me?
Heavy stuff.
If disinformation is an art form, then Fox News is the Picasso.
I'd like to think it is more of a science where the provider of such disinformation is looking for a particular objective reaction that in some way benefits them in a tangible way. In art, generally the reaction "desired" is more subjective, or based on the individuals perception of it and the reward may be something much more intangible.
Does that make any sense to anyone but me?
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by absyrd on Oct 18, 2007 16:03:15 GMT 1, Oh... and the only Drummond I know of is this caring father who raised two hardened criminals and stunted the growth (physical and career) of one poor young man...
Oh... and the only Drummond I know of is this caring father who raised two hardened criminals and stunted the growth (physical and career) of one poor young man... |
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BONGO
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by BONGO on Oct 18, 2007 16:03:31 GMT 1, BONGO UNDERTAND.
BONGO WANTS TO KNOW , WAS MUCH DISCUSSED LAZ MICALLEF QUEUE, A CONCEPTUAL ART HAPPENING ?
BONGO UNDERTAND.
BONGO WANTS TO KNOW , WAS MUCH DISCUSSED LAZ MICALLEF QUEUE, A CONCEPTUAL ART HAPPENING ?
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by numusic on Oct 18, 2007 16:04:22 GMT 1, BONGO INTERESTED IN DISINFORMATION AND ABILITY TO CAUSE LOCALISED PANIC BY A FEW WELL POSITIONED WORDS IN PUBLIC ARENA BONGO NOT APPROVE OF , FOR EXAMPLE, BOMB THREATS CAUSING DISRUPTION AND INCONVENIENCE BONGO ESPECIALLY INTERESTED IN IDEA OF DISINFORMATION AS PART OF STRATEGIC "ART HAPPENING" BONGO WANTS TO KNOW IF OBTAINING A REACTION IS THE PRIME MOTIVATION OF SUCH ART BONGO WANTS TO OPEN DISCUSSION OF DISINFORMATION BEING ART. BONGO WANT YOUR OPINIONS
"All art is propoganda, but not all propoganda is art"
BONGO INTERESTED IN DISINFORMATION AND ABILITY TO CAUSE LOCALISED PANIC BY A FEW WELL POSITIONED WORDS IN PUBLIC ARENA BONGO NOT APPROVE OF , FOR EXAMPLE, BOMB THREATS CAUSING DISRUPTION AND INCONVENIENCE BONGO ESPECIALLY INTERESTED IN IDEA OF DISINFORMATION AS PART OF STRATEGIC "ART HAPPENING" BONGO WANTS TO KNOW IF OBTAINING A REACTION IS THE PRIME MOTIVATION OF SUCH ART BONGO WANTS TO OPEN DISCUSSION OF DISINFORMATION BEING ART. BONGO WANT YOUR OPINIONS "All art is propoganda, but not all propoganda is art" |
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BONGO
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by BONGO on Oct 18, 2007 16:04:47 GMT 1, Oh... and the only Drummond I know of is this caring father who raised two hardened criminals and stunted the growth (physical and career) of one poor young man...
UM
BONGO NOW DELETE ORIGINAL REFERENCE, BUT RELATED TO CAUTY AND DRUMMOND STRATEGIC DISINFORMATION PROJECTS OF LAST CENTURY
Oh... and the only Drummond I know of is this caring father who raised two hardened criminals and stunted the growth (physical and career) of one poor young man... UM BONGO NOW DELETE ORIGINAL REFERENCE, BUT RELATED TO CAUTY AND DRUMMOND STRATEGIC DISINFORMATION PROJECTS OF LAST CENTURY |
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dumpsuk
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by dumpsuk on Oct 18, 2007 16:05:51 GMT 1, Conceptual art happening - no i don't think so. pr stunt - yes.
Conceptual art happening - no i don't think so. pr stunt - yes.
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by absyrd on Oct 18, 2007 16:06:39 GMT 1, I'll have to google that as I'm obviously not as well-read as the man who refuses to use grammar and punctuation. They are greatly overrated, anyhow, I suppose.
I'll have to google that as I'm obviously not as well-read as the man who refuses to use grammar and punctuation. They are greatly overrated, anyhow, I suppose.
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by paulypaul on Oct 18, 2007 16:06:42 GMT 1, It's interesting that we might now debate disinformation (sic) as an art form and this is purely because we have so much information that sorting the wheat from the chaff is difficult. In the early/mid part of the 20thC disinformation was a strategic weapon, not an artform...
Black is white. Is that disinformation? Or gibberish? What artcritic did was disinformation to some and gibberish to others. Some would say Duschamp is gibberish, but he strives to inform, not disinform....
It's interesting that we might now debate disinformation (sic) as an art form and this is purely because we have so much information that sorting the wheat from the chaff is difficult. In the early/mid part of the 20thC disinformation was a strategic weapon, not an artform...
Black is white. Is that disinformation? Or gibberish? What artcritic did was disinformation to some and gibberish to others. Some would say Duschamp is gibberish, but he strives to inform, not disinform....
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by numusic on Oct 18, 2007 16:07:21 GMT 1, BONGO UNDERTAND. BONGO WANTS TO KNOW , WAS MUCH DISCUSSED LAZ MICALLEF QUEUE, A CONCEPTUAL ART HAPPENING ?
I think people are tired of conceptual art grandstanding, hence the rise of new figurative work, painting and pop surrealism.
BONGO UNDERTAND. BONGO WANTS TO KNOW , WAS MUCH DISCUSSED LAZ MICALLEF QUEUE, A CONCEPTUAL ART HAPPENING ? I think people are tired of conceptual art grandstanding, hence the rise of new figurative work, painting and pop surrealism. |
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leumasdarnley
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by leumasdarnley on Oct 18, 2007 16:07:41 GMT 1, Couple things that might help you out Bongo because I am having a hard time understanding what your asking. First is kill the CAPS its hard to read. 2nd is if your having problems translating into english try google translate might help you bridge the gap. Here is a link
translate.google.com/translate_t
Couple things that might help you out Bongo because I am having a hard time understanding what your asking. First is kill the CAPS its hard to read. 2nd is if your having problems translating into english try google translate might help you bridge the gap. Here is a link translate.google.com/translate_t |
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dumpsuk
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by dumpsuk on Oct 18, 2007 16:07:59 GMT 1, steve laz is a long way from dada and fluxus methinks bongo.
steve laz is a long way from dada and fluxus methinks bongo.
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by jonpud on Oct 18, 2007 16:08:12 GMT 1, The queue in motion could have won the Turner prize, we should have filmed it, capitalists queuing to buy anti capitalist artwork!!
Beats some t**t dressed up in a bear suit and walking around an empty gallery any day of the week! ;D
The queue in motion could have won the Turner prize, we should have filmed it, capitalists queuing to buy anti capitalist artwork!!
Beats some t**t dressed up in a bear suit and walking around an empty gallery any day of the week! ;D
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by absyrd on Oct 18, 2007 16:09:41 GMT 1, Well then... a constant influx of disinformation may cause an individual or group of them to attempt to find the "real" information (whatever that may be).
Well then... a constant influx of disinformation may cause an individual or group of them to attempt to find the "real" information (whatever that may be).
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by jonpud on Oct 18, 2007 16:11:48 GMT 1, Just realized I put 'queue in motion' in my last post!! That is Bollox, queue wasn't moving anywhere!! ;D
Just realized I put 'queue in motion' in my last post!! That is Bollox, queue wasn't moving anywhere!! ;D
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dumpsuk
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by dumpsuk on Oct 18, 2007 16:12:04 GMT 1, Couple things that might help you out Bongo because I am having a hard time understand what your asking. First is kill the CAPS its hard to read. 2nd is if your having problems translating into english try google translate might help you bridge the gap. Here is a link translate.google.com/translate_t
haha what a brilliant post. 
Couple things that might help you out Bongo because I am having a hard time understand what your asking. First is kill the CAPS its hard to read. 2nd is if your having problems translating into english try google translate might help you bridge the gap. Here is a link translate.google.com/translate_thaha what a brilliant post. |
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sterlzuk
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by sterlzuk on Oct 18, 2007 16:15:29 GMT 1, Couple things that might help you out Bongo because I am having a hard time understanding what your asking. First is kill the CAPS its hard to read. 2nd is if your having problems translating into english try google translate might help you bridge the gap. Here is a link translate.google.com/translate_t
Bongo the legend strikes again 
Couple things that might help you out Bongo because I am having a hard time understanding what your asking. First is kill the CAPS its hard to read. 2nd is if your having problems translating into english try google translate might help you bridge the gap. Here is a link translate.google.com/translate_tBongo the legend strikes again |
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by Deleted on Oct 18, 2007 16:15:44 GMT 1, BONGO UNDERTAND. BONGO WANTS TO KNOW , WAS MUCH DISCUSSED LAZ MICALLEF QUEUE, A CONCEPTUAL ART HAPPENING ? I think people are tired of conceptual art grandstanding, hence the rise of new figurative work, painting and pop surrealism.
Yeah, I agree. Read this:
guydenning.org/neomodern/index.htm
guydenning.org/neomodern/a_new_critical_aesthetic.htm
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BONGO
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by BONGO on Oct 18, 2007 16:17:00 GMT 1, BONGO THINK IT IRONIC THAT AMERIKAN ADVISES BONGO ON USE OF ENGLISH
BUT TO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS.
BONGO WANTS REASONS WHY ARTCRITIC POST EARLIER IS NOT CONSIDERED ART
BONGO THINK IT IRONIC THAT AMERIKAN ADVISES BONGO ON USE OF ENGLISH
BUT TO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS.
BONGO WANTS REASONS WHY ARTCRITIC POST EARLIER IS NOT CONSIDERED ART
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by absyrd on Oct 18, 2007 16:19:50 GMT 1, BONGO THINK IT IRONIC THAT AMERIKAN ADVISES BONGO ON USE OF ENGLISH BUT TO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS. BONGO WANTS REASONS WHY ARTCRITIC POST EARLIER IS NOT CONSIDERED ART
Technically, it made me laugh, so you could call it art. Then again, I also laugh at people getting hit in the groin no matter how many times I see it. Are nut-shots art, bongo?
BONGO THINK IT IRONIC THAT AMERIKAN ADVISES BONGO ON USE OF ENGLISH BUT TO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS. BONGO WANTS REASONS WHY ARTCRITIC POST EARLIER IS NOT CONSIDERED ART Technically, it made me laugh, so you could call it art. Then again, I also laugh at people getting hit in the groin no matter how many times I see it. Are nut-shots art, bongo? |
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by BONGO on Oct 18, 2007 16:22:00 GMT 1,
BONGO UNSURE WHETHER DENNING PIECE IS TONGUE IN CHEEK OR NOT.
BONGO DOES NOT THINK WORDS LIKE SHIBBOLETH ARE USED OUTSIDE THE PRODUCTION LINES OF GOLDSMITHS MA .
BONGO UNSURE WHETHER DENNING PIECE IS TONGUE IN CHEEK OR NOT. BONGO DOES NOT THINK WORDS LIKE SHIBBOLETH ARE USED OUTSIDE THE PRODUCTION LINES OF GOLDSMITHS MA . |
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leumasdarnley
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by leumasdarnley on Oct 18, 2007 16:23:02 GMT 1, BONGO THINK IT IRONIC THAT AMERIKAN ADVISES BONGO ON USE OF ENGLISH BUT TO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS. BONGO WANTS REASONS WHY ARTCRITIC POST EARLIER IS NOT CONSIDERED ART
Just trying to help you out man I guess the broken English thing is cool now almost art?
BONGO THINK IT IRONIC THAT AMERIKAN ADVISES BONGO ON USE OF ENGLISH BUT TO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS. BONGO WANTS REASONS WHY ARTCRITIC POST EARLIER IS NOT CONSIDERED ART Just trying to help you out man I guess the broken English thing is cool now almost art? |
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by Tyler Durden on Oct 18, 2007 16:26:06 GMT 1, It's cats being stupid for me J. If Artcritic's post was an artform, then POW is both artist and agent, providing disinformation, and allowing a few members of the public to buy art from other artists.
It's cats being stupid for me J. If Artcritic's post was an artform, then POW is both artist and agent, providing disinformation, and allowing a few members of the public to buy art from other artists.
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by spirit on Oct 18, 2007 16:26:36 GMT 1, BONGO THINK IT IRONIC THAT AMERIKAN ADVISES BONGO ON USE OF ENGLISH BUT TO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS. BONGO WANTS REASONS WHY ARTCRITIC POST EARLIER IS NOT CONSIDERED ART Technically, it made me laugh, so you could call it art. Then again, I also laugh at people getting hit in the groin no matter how many times I see it. Are nut-shots art, bongo?
Surely that's comedy - not art.
Bongo - why should art critics post be considered art? all he did was lie for some percieved gain on his part. It's not particularly clever or original so why should we even begin to consider it as art?
BONGO THINK IT IRONIC THAT AMERIKAN ADVISES BONGO ON USE OF ENGLISH BUT TO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS. BONGO WANTS REASONS WHY ARTCRITIC POST EARLIER IS NOT CONSIDERED ART Technically, it made me laugh, so you could call it art. Then again, I also laugh at people getting hit in the groin no matter how many times I see it. Are nut-shots art, bongo? Surely that's comedy - not art. Bongo - why should art critics post be considered art? all he did was lie for some percieved gain on his part. It's not particularly clever or original so why should we even begin to consider it as art? |
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by paulypaul on Oct 18, 2007 16:27:38 GMT 1, BONGO THINK IT IRONIC THAT AMERIKAN ADVISES BONGO ON USE OF ENGLISH BUT TO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS. BONGO WANTS REASONS WHY ARTCRITIC POST EARLIER IS NOT CONSIDERED ART
Well, it is if you want. Art is in the eye of the beholder. If you want to consider it an art event - go ahead. Didn't Mapplethorpe stick a bolt in his arse or some such thing? Why is that any less of an art event than Dirt Sanchez stapling their balls to a table (much funnier!). Well, it's no less an art event if that is how you want to interpret it....
BONGO THINK IT IRONIC THAT AMERIKAN ADVISES BONGO ON USE OF ENGLISH BUT TO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS. BONGO WANTS REASONS WHY ARTCRITIC POST EARLIER IS NOT CONSIDERED ART Well, it is if you want. Art is in the eye of the beholder. If you want to consider it an art event - go ahead. Didn't Mapplethorpe stick a bolt in his arse or some such thing? Why is that any less of an art event than Dirt Sanchez stapling their balls to a table (much funnier!). Well, it's no less an art event if that is how you want to interpret it.... |
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by numusic on Oct 18, 2007 16:32:35 GMT 1,
I actually think that's completely wrong.. it's an interpretation and misreading of post modernism from the perspective of a modernist painter who was probably schooled in the late 70's by tutors schooled on modernism. The post modern sensibilities of cut n paste, sampling, concepts, diversity and all that goes with it simply allows for EVERYTHING, including modernism and dennings concept of Neo Modernism. It isn't dogmatic like conceptual art which is in effect the ultimate modernisty expression. I think what we're seeing now is in part down to the likes of Hirst, Emin and the YBA's.. concept art without the intellectualisation of the work by the artist. It's been taken a stage further is all.. Now news, media and celebrity politics are obviously corporate entities obsessed with spin, society needs to find alternative and more trusting ways of getting information, a very plain speaking voice is required and I think this new art does that very well,and in a way that we, the masses, can understand. It's often dark, funny, takes the piss , is topical and deals with very human issues. Something conceptual art and Modernisms couldn't do.. hence Urban Art maybe..
or something like that....
I actually think that's completely wrong.. it's an interpretation and misreading of post modernism from the perspective of a modernist painter who was probably schooled in the late 70's by tutors schooled on modernism. The post modern sensibilities of cut n paste, sampling, concepts, diversity and all that goes with it simply allows for EVERYTHING, including modernism and dennings concept of Neo Modernism. It isn't dogmatic like conceptual art which is in effect the ultimate modernisty expression. I think what we're seeing now is in part down to the likes of Hirst, Emin and the YBA's.. concept art without the intellectualisation of the work by the artist. It's been taken a stage further is all.. Now news, media and celebrity politics are obviously corporate entities obsessed with spin, society needs to find alternative and more trusting ways of getting information, a very plain speaking voice is required and I think this new art does that very well,and in a way that we, the masses, can understand. It's often dark, funny, takes the piss , is topical and deals with very human issues. Something conceptual art and Modernisms couldn't do.. hence Urban Art maybe.. or something like that.... |
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by johnas on Oct 18, 2007 16:36:57 GMT 1, I actually think that's completely wrong.. it's an interpretation and misreading of post modernism from the perspective of a modernist painter who was probably schooled in the late 70's by tutors schooled on modernism. The post modern sensibilities of cut n paste, sampling, concepts, diversity and all that goes with it simply allows for EVERYTHING, including modernism and dennings concept of Neo Modernism. It isn't dogmatic like conceptual art which is in effect the ultimate modernisty expression. I think what we're seeing now is in part down to the likes of Hirst, Emin and the YBA's.. concept art without the intellectualisation of the work by the artist. It's been taken a stage further is all.. Now news, media and celebrity politics are obviously corporate entities obsessed with spin, society needs to find alternative and more trusting ways of getting information, a very plain speaking voice is required and I think this new art does that very well,and in a way that we, the masses, can understand. It's often dark, funny, takes the piss , is topical and deals with very human issues. Something conceptual art and Modernisms couldn't do.. hence Urban Art maybe.. or something like that....
my head hurts....
I actually think that's completely wrong.. it's an interpretation and misreading of post modernism from the perspective of a modernist painter who was probably schooled in the late 70's by tutors schooled on modernism. The post modern sensibilities of cut n paste, sampling, concepts, diversity and all that goes with it simply allows for EVERYTHING, including modernism and dennings concept of Neo Modernism. It isn't dogmatic like conceptual art which is in effect the ultimate modernisty expression. I think what we're seeing now is in part down to the likes of Hirst, Emin and the YBA's.. concept art without the intellectualisation of the work by the artist. It's been taken a stage further is all.. Now news, media and celebrity politics are obviously corporate entities obsessed with spin, society needs to find alternative and more trusting ways of getting information, a very plain speaking voice is required and I think this new art does that very well,and in a way that we, the masses, can understand. It's often dark, funny, takes the piss , is topical and deals with very human issues. Something conceptual art and Modernisms couldn't do.. hence Urban Art maybe.. or something like that.... my head hurts.... |
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by absyrd on Oct 18, 2007 16:52:11 GMT 1, society needs to find alternative and more trusting ways of getting information, a very plain speaking voice is required and I think this new art does that very well,and in a way that we, the masses, can understand. It's often dark, funny, takes the piss , is topical and deals with very human issues. Something conceptual art and Modernisms couldn't do.. hence Urban Art maybe.. or something like that....
I find that quite poetic, actually, and quite a good underlying reason for the surge of interest in urban art other than "these skateboarder kids are now working at fortune 500 companies".
society needs to find alternative and more trusting ways of getting information, a very plain speaking voice is required and I think this new art does that very well,and in a way that we, the masses, can understand. It's often dark, funny, takes the piss , is topical and deals with very human issues. Something conceptual art and Modernisms couldn't do.. hence Urban Art maybe.. or something like that.... I find that quite poetic, actually, and quite a good underlying reason for the surge of interest in urban art other than "these skateboarder kids are now working at fortune 500 companies". |
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ART AND DISINFORMATION, by mike hunt on Oct 18, 2007 16:58:56 GMT 1, I think comedy can be art (and art can be cheap comedy). English comedy can sometimes be cutting edge and push boundaries (league of gentlemen - remember the impact?).
The question (in my opinion) isn't whether its art, but whether its good art. Signing a cheque means expressing yourself (in a small way) through your signature. At the opposite end of the scale, artists need to make money, so there will probably be some compromise. The question is, how much compromise and is it successful? In the case of artcritics post, me thinks no.
I think comedy can be art (and art can be cheap comedy). English comedy can sometimes be cutting edge and push boundaries (league of gentlemen - remember the impact?).
The question (in my opinion) isn't whether its art, but whether its good art. Signing a cheque means expressing yourself (in a small way) through your signature. At the opposite end of the scale, artists need to make money, so there will probably be some compromise. The question is, how much compromise and is it successful? In the case of artcritics post, me thinks no.
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