lesroy
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by lesroy on Dec 3, 2006 13:14:18 GMT 1, [glow=blue,3,300]"I went to the Ghetto yesterday by Lesroy"[/glow]
[glow=red,3,300]Firstly I had a smashing time.[/glow]
Whilst I have been buying art for some time I have never had the chance to visit POW Towers. I have spoken to them many times on the phone and indeed sent them Chocolates on occasions when they have gone overboard and helped me out with prints when they didn't have to.
I was one of the guys that tried for 4 hours and still missed out on the Applause print... but that doesn't make me bitter? Of Course NOT! Lets not forget we are all trying to get something that is Limited Edition, and the important word there is LIMITED. I think alot on here have forgotten that and assume that they "Deserve" a Banksy print.
I got to the Ghetto yesterday.. there was an almighty queue, full of jostling art fans some young and some, suprisingly for me, very elderly. The atmosphere was electric! There most have been 100 people just looking at the queue and shop asking "Whats in there", loads of people with their camera's and phones taking pics of Tony Blair, it was ace, you felt part of something!
Bouncers were friendly and shared a joke or two.
And then inside... f**k! Where do I start... wondered round just staring for 10 mins, got my bearings and looked at all the canvasses etc and then all the presentation folders giving me the chance to see all the POW prints in the flesh for the first time. Went out the back, watched a funny video, playing a game of hula and had a Go on the ยฃ1 Banky lottery to win an Applause.
Next I met Dora. I have spoken to her loads on the phone but never met her. We had a laugh and a joke and immediately that broke the ice. Of course she was stressed, imagine being in a shop with 100's of people asking "Where are the Eelus, Banky & Micallef prints?" one after another. But when you use a little empathy and understand her position, she was an angel and couldn't have been more helpful!
I then ordered my Stanley Donwood "Happy Families", Tittifreaks "Telegraph" and was over the moon. Whilst I waited for my prints I nipped outside to get me a coffee and Dora a Tea. On my return I met Remy from Laz.inc... what a legend, a thoroughly top guy!
Turns out POW didn't bring the Donwood print to the Ghetto so alas I collected only one ยฃ60 print. Was I unhappy after having driven for two hours to get there to be told, no Eelus or Donwood? NO.. I had a wicked day!
As a little sweetener I managed to grab the last DFace "Hate" as Dora's Cousin told me they had one so actually I was over the moon!!
Now I can buy the Donwood from the POW site and be complete! [glow=blue,3,300] The moral of this little tale is:[/glow]
POW owe you nothing. Banky and all the other artists owe you nothing! POW is an orgainsation making art more attainable to the masses, I had never heard of Tittifreaks, Stanley Donwood, Insect, Lucy McGlaughlin and a million others before I found out about POW.
With regards to service. Well f**k the lot of you who think it's poor. Have a little try to put yourself in the boots of the team at POW and Santa's Ghetto, once you have a little empathy you will discover how great they actually are at what they do!
Just by being nice and not hassling the staff I didn't have to rush, I was let in twice by the bouncers, Dora's cousin "found" me a print so I didn't have a wasted journey, Dora was really sweet and helped me choosea print I had overlooked.
What a post...sorry but I can't bear the knoking of POW & Sg without just deserves.
FINALLY
[glow=red,2,300]I'd LIKE TO SAY THANKYOU TO EVERYONE AT SANTA's GHETTO [/glow]
[glow=blue,3,300]"I went to the Ghetto yesterday by Lesroy"[/glow] [glow=red,3,300]Firstly I had a smashing time.[/glow] Whilst I have been buying art for some time I have never had the chance to visit POW Towers. I have spoken to them many times on the phone and indeed sent them Chocolates on occasions when they have gone overboard and helped me out with prints when they didn't have to. I was one of the guys that tried for 4 hours and still missed out on the Applause print... but that doesn't make me bitter? Of Course NOT! Lets not forget we are all trying to get something that is Limited Edition, and the important word there is LIMITED. I think alot on here have forgotten that and assume that they "Deserve" a Banksy print. I got to the Ghetto yesterday.. there was an almighty queue, full of jostling art fans some young and some, suprisingly for me, very elderly. The atmosphere was electric! There most have been 100 people just looking at the queue and shop asking "Whats in there", loads of people with their camera's and phones taking pics of Tony Blair, it was ace, you felt part of something! Bouncers were friendly and shared a joke or two. And then inside... f**k! Where do I start... wondered round just staring for 10 mins, got my bearings and looked at all the canvasses etc and then all the presentation folders giving me the chance to see all the POW prints in the flesh for the first time. Went out the back, watched a funny video, playing a game of hula and had a Go on the ยฃ1 Banky lottery to win an Applause. Next I met Dora. I have spoken to her loads on the phone but never met her. We had a laugh and a joke and immediately that broke the ice. Of course she was stressed, imagine being in a shop with 100's of people asking "Where are the Eelus, Banky & Micallef prints?" one after another. But when you use a little empathy and understand her position, she was an angel and couldn't have been more helpful! I then ordered my Stanley Donwood "Happy Families", Tittifreaks "Telegraph" and was over the moon. Whilst I waited for my prints I nipped outside to get me a coffee and Dora a Tea. On my return I met Remy from Laz.inc... what a legend, a thoroughly top guy! Turns out POW didn't bring the Donwood print to the Ghetto so alas I collected only one ยฃ60 print. Was I unhappy after having driven for two hours to get there to be told, no Eelus or Donwood? NO.. I had a wicked day! As a little sweetener I managed to grab the last DFace "Hate" as Dora's Cousin told me they had one so actually I was over the moon!! Now I can buy the Donwood from the POW site and be complete! [glow=blue,3,300] The moral of this little tale is:[/glow] POW owe you nothing. Banky and all the other artists owe you nothing! POW is an orgainsation making art more attainable to the masses, I had never heard of Tittifreaks, Stanley Donwood, Insect, Lucy McGlaughlin and a million others before I found out about POW. With regards to service. Well f**k the lot of you who think it's poor. Have a little try to put yourself in the boots of the team at POW and Santa's Ghetto, once you have a little empathy you will discover how great they actually are at what they do! Just by being nice and not hassling the staff I didn't have to rush, I was let in twice by the bouncers, Dora's cousin "found" me a print so I didn't have a wasted journey, Dora was really sweet and helped me choosea print I had overlooked. What a post...sorry but I can't bear the knoking of POW & Sg without just deserves. FINALLY [glow=red,2,300] I'd LIKE TO SAY THANKYOU TO EVERYONE AT SANTA's GHETTO [/glow]
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Run Pig Run
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by Run Pig Run on Dec 3, 2006 13:53:55 GMT 1, I agree with you mate, I was in there for hours just looking, I was even staring at the roof at one point. It was the best art show/shop whatever I ever been to in my life, all i'm saying is that I would of like to of had the oppotunity to buy a print from the shop like others had. I souldn't be made to feel guilty about liking an artist and trying to buy a print that I would enjoy having on my wall, I thought thats what it was all about! PICTURES ON WALLS!! I couldn't care less now, i'll just buy from the fat lady off ebay.
I agree with you mate, I was in there for hours just looking, I was even staring at the roof at one point. It was the best art show/shop whatever I ever been to in my life, all i'm saying is that I would of like to of had the oppotunity to buy a print from the shop like others had. I souldn't be made to feel guilty about liking an artist and trying to buy a print that I would enjoy having on my wall, I thought thats what it was all about! PICTURES ON WALLS!! I couldn't care less now, i'll just buy from the fat lady off ebay.
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lesroy
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by lesroy on Dec 3, 2006 14:55:42 GMT 1, Bombhugger> My post was not aimed at you. It was my take on the day in response to reading the threas-starters comments.
Bombhugger> My post was not aimed at you. It was my take on the day in response to reading the threas-starters comments.
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Curley
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by Curley on Dec 3, 2006 15:04:39 GMT 1, Well said Lesroy.
Respect due
Well said Lesroy.
Respect due
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gordy
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by gordy on Dec 3, 2006 15:06:44 GMT 1, People on the forum are rightly defensive of POW ;D ;D and nearly everyone on the forum will no doubt have purchased a print from them and been very happy with service etc.. ;D ;D
However, POW has now reached another level concerning how big a business it is. It is no longer a small concern. They put santas ghetto on oxford street. They have massive international artists on their book's. Banksy,Hewlett and Donwood to name a few, are known worldwide.
Did they expect one man and his dog to turn up this year?
On the whole I had a great experience at Santa's ghetto and it was well worth the trip from nottingham at 6am on saturday, ;D ;D ;D queing for 90 minutes, the doors not opening chatting to fellow art fans in the queue(if your reading this dave,hope you got the prints you were after)and getting some of the prints I wanted eventually in the chaos(I am not criticising the staff but maybe if they had tubed and numbered the prints beforehand it might have made things easier for themselves).Couldn't wait to get home on the train to pop open the tubes and look at the prints I'd bought. Tittifreaks wires is awesome ;D ;D ;D
It might be a good idea not to physically sell prints at the event? people could have a look around order what they like or what is available and then wait for them to be delivered. Then people will go just for some of the amazing art that is on display!!
People on the forum are rightly defensive of POW ;D ;D and nearly everyone on the forum will no doubt have purchased a print from them and been very happy with service etc.. ;D ;D However, POW has now reached another level concerning how big a business it is. It is no longer a small concern. They put santas ghetto on oxford street. They have massive international artists on their book's. Banksy,Hewlett and Donwood to name a few, are known worldwide. Did they expect one man and his dog to turn up this year? On the whole I had a great experience at Santa's ghetto and it was well worth the trip from nottingham at 6am on saturday, ;D ;D ;D queing for 90 minutes, the doors not opening chatting to fellow art fans in the queue(if your reading this dave,hope you got the prints you were after)and getting some of the prints I wanted eventually in the chaos(I am not criticising the staff but maybe if they had tubed and numbered the prints beforehand it might have made things easier for themselves).Couldn't wait to get home on the train to pop open the tubes and look at the prints I'd bought. Tittifreaks wires is awesome ;D ;D ;D It might be a good idea not to physically sell prints at the event? people could have a look around order what they like or what is available and then wait for them to be delivered. Then people will go just for some of the amazing art that is on display!!
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by corblimeylimey on Dec 3, 2006 16:35:15 GMT 1, Well said lesroy, I'm pretty new to all of this really, I've liked Banksy's stuff for years but didn't even realise you could buy it until this year (I know, I know, where have I been etc ) but when I visited Brighton in the summer and saw some prints for sale at Art Republic I just had to buy one. I was very unsure at the time about spending ยฃ500 on a print in a frame, and the more the sales guy spoke the more he was putting me off, he was going on and on about it going up in value and it could be worth double in a years time and that he's got one more out the back and he'll be selling that for ยฃ550, lots of pressure etc. When I came home I did the research (after all I didn't even know if I had been sold a dud) I joined this forum, found out about POW and realised that Art Republic were taking the piss, if only I had known about POW before (or even looked at ebay). Remember if it wasn't for them and their ideals it would all go straight to places like Art Republic and we'd all be worse off. But the best thing is the whole experience has introduced me to lots of new art and artists I would have never of realised existed and thanks to POW is actually affordable, and now (thanks to this forum and numusic) have been introduced to and bought Charles Krafft. Sure POW buggered up a bit recently with the LA prints and from the sounds of it should have been a little more organised at the ghetto, I guess a lots changed over the last year, but I do hope POW doesn't change much in the future.
Well said lesroy, I'm pretty new to all of this really, I've liked Banksy's stuff for years but didn't even realise you could buy it until this year (I know, I know, where have I been etc ) but when I visited Brighton in the summer and saw some prints for sale at Art Republic I just had to buy one. I was very unsure at the time about spending ยฃ500 on a print in a frame, and the more the sales guy spoke the more he was putting me off, he was going on and on about it going up in value and it could be worth double in a years time and that he's got one more out the back and he'll be selling that for ยฃ550, lots of pressure etc. When I came home I did the research (after all I didn't even know if I had been sold a dud) I joined this forum, found out about POW and realised that Art Republic were taking the piss, if only I had known about POW before (or even looked at ebay). Remember if it wasn't for them and their ideals it would all go straight to places like Art Republic and we'd all be worse off. But the best thing is the whole experience has introduced me to lots of new art and artists I would have never of realised existed and thanks to POW is actually affordable, and now (thanks to this forum and numusic) have been introduced to and bought Charles Krafft. Sure POW buggered up a bit recently with the LA prints and from the sounds of it should have been a little more organised at the ghetto, I guess a lots changed over the last year, but I do hope POW doesn't change much in the future.
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Run Pig Run
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by Run Pig Run on Dec 3, 2006 16:53:08 GMT 1, Bombhugger> My post was not aimed at you. It was my take on the day in response to reading the threas-starters comments.
yeah, i know it wasn't.... I just forgot what I was sayng halfway through my post and typed out any old bollocks.
btw corblimeylimey love what youve done with your applause.
Bombhugger> My post was not aimed at you. It was my take on the day in response to reading the threas-starters comments. yeah, i know it wasn't.... I just forgot what I was sayng halfway through my post and typed out any old bollocks. btw corblimeylimey love what youve done with your applause.
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gbh
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by gbh on Dec 3, 2006 19:16:06 GMT 1, and now (thanks to this forum and numusic) have been introduced to and bought Charles Krafft.
slightly (or very) OT but which pusher are you getting that stuff from?
and now (thanks to this forum and numusic) have been introduced to and bought Charles Krafft. slightly (or very) OT but which pusher are you getting that stuff from?
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by corblimeylimey on Dec 3, 2006 19:52:08 GMT 1, and now (thanks to this forum and numusic) have been introduced to and bought Charles Krafft. slightly (or very) OT but which pusher are you getting that stuff from?
Grenade Vase ยฃ300 + VAT from (other stuff available ยฃ275- ยฃ650)
StolenSpace 91 Brick Lane London E1 6QL www.stolenspace.com Tel:020 7247 2684
and now (thanks to this forum and numusic) have been introduced to and bought Charles Krafft. slightly (or very) OT but which pusher are you getting that stuff from? Grenade Vase ยฃ300 + VAT from (other stuff available ยฃ275- ยฃ650) StolenSpace 91 Brick Lane London E1 6QL www.stolenspace.comTel:020 7247 2684
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by slippy on Dec 3, 2006 20:46:20 GMT 1, The thing I love about Banksy is he always asks difficult questions. It is important to question things. Some of the points in oppostion to mine have been insightful and articulate (especially some of the rants!). Some got upset. Maybe they're only comfortable with unquestioning following?
The thing I love about Banksy is he always asks difficult questions. It is important to question things. Some of the points in oppostion to mine have been insightful and articulate (especially some of the rants!). Some got upset. Maybe they're only comfortable with unquestioning following?
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RBK
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by RBK on Dec 3, 2006 20:46:52 GMT 1, Great review Lesroy - wish I could expereience the vibe but people sharing their experiences dulls the pain. I think it would be great to talk to all the people attending SG - really the elderly was representing??? That is cool :-)
Great review Lesroy - wish I could expereience the vibe but people sharing their experiences dulls the pain. I think it would be great to talk to all the people attending SG - really the elderly was representing??? That is cool :-)
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lesroy
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by lesroy on Dec 3, 2006 21:03:32 GMT 1, Rk> Yeah it was strange to me I suppose. I kind of expected all these street-art fans to be of the same kind of mold.
I watched a couple (approx 60 yrs old) flicking through the A0 art sleeves laughing their asses off to the "Mr Tourettes" prints... then they ended up buying them both, complete with the word cunt all over them!
Then a really old lady, 70ish was inquiring about the originals (forget the name) of the animals at the back-right of the Ghetto.
It was a right mix.. and indeed a mix that felt good!
Rk> Yeah it was strange to me I suppose. I kind of expected all these street-art fans to be of the same kind of mold. I watched a couple (approx 60 yrs old) flicking through the A0 art sleeves laughing their asses off to the "Mr Tourettes" prints... then they ended up buying them both, complete with the word cunt all over them! Then a really old lady, 70ish was inquiring about the originals (forget the name) of the animals at the back-right of the Ghetto. It was a right mix.. and indeed a mix that felt good!
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gm
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by gm on Dec 3, 2006 21:05:36 GMT 1,
You can't generalize.
You've got to remember that the people who were stuffing their brains full of acid in the 60s and creating/being into all the far out radical stuff are now in their 60s and 70s. Everyone gets old on the outside, but not everyone gets old in the head
Granny Power!
You can't generalize. You've got to remember that the people who were stuffing their brains full of acid in the 60s and creating/being into all the far out radical stuff are now in their 60s and 70s. Everyone gets old on the outside, but not everyone gets old in the head Granny Power!
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RBK
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by RBK on Dec 3, 2006 21:31:12 GMT 1, GM - I'm not knocking them. That is great in my book. Good that these artists can appeal to more than the average demographic of forum members (which I would guess is quite similar)
GM - I'm not knocking them. That is great in my book. Good that these artists can appeal to more than the average demographic of forum members (which I would guess is quite similar)
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alvington89
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by alvington89 on Dec 3, 2006 21:31:13 GMT 1, I went on Saturday. Walked up the steps from Totenham Court tube station and immediately at the top of the stairs joined the queue. I turned upat about 4.00 pm so maybe the real rush had subsided by then. I have to say that all the staff were really helpful and friendly. O.K. It's not run like Tesco's but then the odd'antireatil approach all adds to the charm. My only observation was that most of the prints were in 2 floor standing lecturns and there was a big crowd of people around each, so no time to assess a pint for too long. Nice to see some new artists there though. Love titifreak's face. Hope he gets added to the POW stable soon! Too much to take in...Did come away with 5 prints though after a surprise late delivery!
I went on Saturday. Walked up the steps from Totenham Court tube station and immediately at the top of the stairs joined the queue. I turned upat about 4.00 pm so maybe the real rush had subsided by then. I have to say that all the staff were really helpful and friendly. O.K. It's not run like Tesco's but then the odd'antireatil approach all adds to the charm. My only observation was that most of the prints were in 2 floor standing lecturns and there was a big crowd of people around each, so no time to assess a pint for too long. Nice to see some new artists there though. Love titifreak's face. Hope he gets added to the POW stable soon! Too much to take in...Did come away with 5 prints though after a surprise late delivery!
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lesroy
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by lesroy on Dec 3, 2006 22:36:42 GMT 1, What did you get Alvington?
What did you get Alvington?
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by mido on Dec 4, 2006 0:18:14 GMT 1, baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ;D ;D
The thing I love about Banksy is he always asks difficult questions. It is important to question things. Some of the points in oppostion to mine have been insightful and articulate (especially some of the rants!). Some got upset. Maybe they're only comfortable with unquestioning following?
baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ;D ;D The thing I love about Banksy is he always asks difficult questions. It is important to question things. Some of the points in oppostion to mine have been insightful and articulate (especially some of the rants!). Some got upset. Maybe they're only comfortable with unquestioning following?
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gm
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by gm on Dec 4, 2006 2:50:47 GMT 1,
Beware of the flowers cos I'm sure they're gonna get you. Yeah.
Beware of the flowers cos I'm sure they're gonna get you. Yeah.
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alvington89
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by alvington89 on Dec 4, 2006 15:12:13 GMT 1, I got 2 Eelus 'Shat at's' in velvet (1 for my mate) 1 Eelus 'Chewbarber' in blue, 1 Insect 'Elvis' (unsigned cos all the signed ones had gone) and i Invader 'Alex' signed. Also managed to order Titifreaks 'Face' (last one apparently) last night. What a talented chap he is!! No complaints about SG from me. Thoroughly enjoyable plus POW are nice people :-)
I got 2 Eelus 'Shat at's' in velvet (1 for my mate) 1 Eelus 'Chewbarber' in blue, 1 Insect 'Elvis' (unsigned cos all the signed ones had gone) and i Invader 'Alex' signed. Also managed to order Titifreaks 'Face' (last one apparently) last night. What a talented chap he is!! No complaints about SG from me. Thoroughly enjoyable plus POW are nice people :-)
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by slowmo on Dec 4, 2006 16:12:01 GMT 1, You could well be right about the bubble, but Banksy does seem to be diversifying to me, necessary if any of his prints are to hold any long term value.
You could well be right about the bubble, but Banksy does seem to be diversifying to me, necessary if any of his prints are to hold any long term value.
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rickyc
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by rickyc on Dec 4, 2006 16:20:17 GMT 1, How much was the signed and unsigned Space Invader 'Alex'?
And does anyone know if there are any still available (I would guess not, but worth an ask)
Could also be tempted to swing by straight after work if there is one available.
Thanks
How much was the signed and unsigned Space Invader 'Alex'?
And does anyone know if there are any still available (I would guess not, but worth an ask)
Could also be tempted to swing by straight after work if there is one available.
Thanks
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alvington89
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by alvington89 on Dec 4, 2006 17:38:26 GMT 1, I think the signed Invader 'Alex' was ยฃ 150.00 and unsigned ยฃ 75.00 (Some more had just come in at about 7.30 pm on Saturday)
I think the signed Invader 'Alex' was ยฃ 150.00 and unsigned ยฃ 75.00 (Some more had just come in at about 7.30 pm on Saturday)
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paradoxia
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by paradoxia on Dec 5, 2006 12:27:53 GMT 1, funny things these deliveries of stock
funny things these deliveries of stock
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tab1
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POW - is it worth it anymore?, by tab1 on Jan 23, 2018 17:55:34 GMT 1, no conspiracy theory! The popularity of the prints drives the secondary market. Over inflated print prices (on eBay mainly) underpin the prices of original works. The more hype you create at the bottom of the market, the more the prices go up at the exclusive end. Add to that who owns POW and bingo! You've got a nice little self-perpetuating money machine. You lose a little money on the one hand (and let small time dealers make it instead) and reap the considerably bigger rewards on the other. I don't mean to sound cynical, cos I'm not. And I've got nothing against them or an axe to grind. Just an observation. It's business at the end of the day
And itโs paid off Vip prints at source ยฃ25k-ยฃ60k!๐
no conspiracy theory! The popularity of the prints drives the secondary market. Over inflated print prices (on eBay mainly) underpin the prices of original works. The more hype you create at the bottom of the market, the more the prices go up at the exclusive end. Add to that who owns POW and bingo! You've got a nice little self-perpetuating money machine. You lose a little money on the one hand (and let small time dealers make it instead) and reap the considerably bigger rewards on the other. I don't mean to sound cynical, cos I'm not. And I've got nothing against them or an axe to grind. Just an observation. It's business at the end of the day And itโs paid off Vip prints at source ยฃ25k-ยฃ60k!๐
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