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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 19, 2017 17:03:28 GMT 1, It's incredible how so many people write rambling non fact based responses, attack me for zero reason and ignore my initial question. I just keep having to respond to unrelated stupid points instead of hearing actual responses to the real question. A few of you have actually tried to engage the question by stating- this cause likely calls to banksy in some way. Maybe he is arab or his wife is etc. he has a linkage to it. I think that's a reasonable answer. But what about straight British artists that have zero link? Seems money grab no? FYI that image of scale is stupid. US has given Palestine 5bln in aid as well. Why is that excluded if not to be unfactual. We seem to be ignoring facts and the intital question because the answer seems too ugly. I don't know where you're based, but in the US, the mainstream media does not cover any atrocities or genocidal acts throughout the world unless they can get ratings.ย The US Government also provides a large amount of funding to Israel to support the US hegemony with its strategic military installations in the area. Israel/Palestine relations is covered to a certain extent in the media, since Israel is a US ally. The coverage usually is skewed toward pro-Israeli interests as the media is largely controlled by Jewish Americans (i'm passing no judgment here). So most of the news will center on what's going on with those interests and the people will make up their mind based on that information or decide whether to seek out additional information, if they're so inclined. So, as a result the masses, artists included, who rely on the mainstream media for its education learn about only what's readily available to them. If American artists aren't properly informed about the world, and only receive a small amount of information which is skewed towards US interests, then they will create art based on their limited knowledge. I'd assume that artists are usually on the liberal side and would gravitate towards sympathy for the down-trodden and oppressed. At this time, Palestinians are the ones being oppressed on a daily basis, so this could be the reason that they have chosen to create pro-Palestinian art. Is it a cash-grab? I don't believe so, unless the individual artists are completely aware of the other atrocities and purposely decide to choose the subject matter which they think would have the most marketability. Truth is, I have no idea what each artist's intent is and how they decide to create the art they create. And I doubt any other person on this forum does either, unless have personally discussed the decision process with the 9 out of 10 artists that you speak of. So your honest question really can't be answered fully, right?
As all US media outlets on tv are publicly traded companies, and the share holders are majority asset managers for say public pensions, how do you come to the educated conclusion "Jews" control the media. That is about as antisemetic and uninformed as it gets. The owners of the Us media, who control the media companies, are as far from Jewish controlled as you can get. Are you telling me that the California teachers retirement fund is a bunch of Jews? You do realize there are only 13mm Jews in the world? Maybe 4-5mm in the USA. Do you really think that population has bought all of the equity market cap of every single news outlet? Where do people come up with this garbage. Did you read that in a Saudi tourism guide book advertising section? There are 1.6bln muslims and a giant pool of wealth that has the ability to influence media at an infinite multiple more than Jews. Oil money my friends. So you really think all those purple Lamborghinis riding around london and Paris are Jews?
Do you know that these oil rich Arab countries have hundreds of billions of dollars in funds such as ADIA. They invest in media companies. Guess who does not. Who does not have a govt fund, Israel. Do you guys understand how global finance works or is your understanding limited to Michael Moore docudramas and BBC 1hr specials on banking?
It's incredible how so many people write rambling non fact based responses, attack me for zero reason and ignore my initial question. I just keep having to respond to unrelated stupid points instead of hearing actual responses to the real question. A few of you have actually tried to engage the question by stating- this cause likely calls to banksy in some way. Maybe he is arab or his wife is etc. he has a linkage to it. I think that's a reasonable answer. But what about straight British artists that have zero link? Seems money grab no? FYI that image of scale is stupid. US has given Palestine 5bln in aid as well. Why is that excluded if not to be unfactual. We seem to be ignoring facts and the intital question because the answer seems too ugly. I don't know where you're based, but in the US, the mainstream media does not cover any atrocities or genocidal acts throughout the world unless they can get ratings.ย The US Government also provides a large amount of funding to Israel to support the US hegemony with its strategic military installations in the area. Israel/Palestine relations is covered to a certain extent in the media, since Israel is a US ally. The coverage usually is skewed toward pro-Israeli interests as the media is largely controlled by Jewish Americans (i'm passing no judgment here). So most of the news will center on what's going on with those interests and the people will make up their mind based on that information or decide whether to seek out additional information, if they're so inclined. So, as a result the masses, artists included, who rely on the mainstream media for its education learn about only what's readily available to them. If American artists aren't properly informed about the world, and only receive a small amount of information which is skewed towards US interests, then they will create art based on their limited knowledge. I'd assume that artists are usually on the liberal side and would gravitate towards sympathy for the down-trodden and oppressed. At this time, Palestinians are the ones being oppressed on a daily basis, so this could be the reason that they have chosen to create pro-Palestinian art. Is it a cash-grab? I don't believe so, unless the individual artists are completely aware of the other atrocities and purposely decide to choose the subject matter which they think would have the most marketability. Truth is, I have no idea what each artist's intent is and how they decide to create the art they create. And I doubt any other person on this forum does either, unless have personally discussed the decision process with the 9 out of 10 artists that you speak of. So your honest question really can't be answered fully, right? As all US media outlets on tv are publicly traded companies, and the share holders are majority asset managers for say public pensions, how do you come to the educated conclusion "Jews" control the media. That is about as antisemetic and uninformed as it gets. The owners of the Us media, who control the media companies, are as far from Jewish controlled as you can get. Are you telling me that the California teachers retirement fund is a bunch of Jews? You do realize there are only 13mm Jews in the world? Maybe 4-5mm in the USA. Do you really think that population has bought all of the equity market cap of every single news outlet? Where do people come up with this garbage. Did you read that in a Saudi tourism guide book advertising section? There are 1.6bln muslims and a giant pool of wealth that has the ability to influence media at an infinite multiple more than Jews. Oil money my friends. So you really think all those purple Lamborghinis riding around london and Paris are Jews? Do you know that these oil rich Arab countries have hundreds of billions of dollars in funds such as ADIA. They invest in media companies. Guess who does not. Who does not have a govt fund, Israel. Do you guys understand how global finance works or is your understanding limited to Michael Moore docudramas and BBC 1hr specials on banking?
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 18, 2017 16:14:04 GMT 1, Palestine is heralded as a worthy cause by unconnected, British artists because liberals place Muslims at the top of the victimisation hierarchy; thus it has become the cause celebre of the left. It's incredible how so many people write rambling non fact based responses, attack me for zero reason and ignore my initial question. I just keep having to respond to unrelated stupid points instead of hearing actual responses to the real question. A few of you have actually tried to engage the question by stating- this cause likely calls to banksy in some way. Maybe he is arab or his wife is etc. he has a linkage to it. I think that's a reasonable answer. But what about straight British artists that have zero link? Seems money grab no? FYI that image of scale is stupid. US has given Palestine 5bln in aid as well. Why is that excluded if not to be unfactual. We seem to be ignoring facts and the intital question because the answer seems too ugly.
I agree with one aspect of this, but a key detail is missing. Muslim women are the most abused group in the world. Let's all try sitting our lives in 120degree sun with a black cloak on. Metal cage over face.
Palestine is heralded as a worthy cause by unconnected, British artists because liberals place Muslims at the top of the victimisation hierarchy; thus it has become the cause celebre of the left. It's incredible how so many people write rambling non fact based responses, attack me for zero reason and ignore my initial question. I just keep having to respond to unrelated stupid points instead of hearing actual responses to the real question. A few of you have actually tried to engage the question by stating- this cause likely calls to banksy in some way. Maybe he is arab or his wife is etc. he has a linkage to it. I think that's a reasonable answer. But what about straight British artists that have zero link? Seems money grab no? FYI that image of scale is stupid. US has given Palestine 5bln in aid as well. Why is that excluded if not to be unfactual. We seem to be ignoring facts and the intital question because the answer seems too ugly. I agree with one aspect of this, but a key detail is missing. Muslim women are the most abused group in the world. Let's all try sitting our lives in 120degree sun with a black cloak on. Metal cage over face.
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 18, 2017 16:10:45 GMT 1, It's incredible how so many people write rambling non fact based responses, attack me for zero reason and ignore my initial question. I just keep having to respond to unrelated stupid points instead of hearing actual responses to the real question. A few of you have actually tried to engage the question by stating- this cause likely calls to banksy in some way. Maybe he is arab or his wife is etc. he has a linkage to it. I think that's a reasonable answer. But what about straight British artists that have zero link? Seems money grab no? FYI that image of scale is stupid. US has given Palestine 5bln in aid as well. Why is that excluded if not to be unfactual. We seem to be ignoring facts and the intital question because the answer seems too ugly. Your question assumes that 9 out of 10 times artists choose to create art about this subject. But is that true? Can you cite more examples of artists and pieces discussing this issue?
No. The point is 9 out of 10 times (does it matter if it's 8/10?) street artists get involved in human rights issues they pick this one. And my point is they do this because of the financial gain and easy access. It's easy. Like is said, they fly Ba to tlv, eat some hummus and hit the club and beach. They don't spend time on causes that are not profitable. Repub of central Africa not paying 6 figueres to paint (censored) murals and taking them out for nobulike the benevolent UAE does.
I think my observations are not commonly held and I do appreciate people's thoughts and inputs. I respect all your ideas. It's a healthy thing to discuss arts part in this.
It's incredible how so many people write rambling non fact based responses, attack me for zero reason and ignore my initial question. I just keep having to respond to unrelated stupid points instead of hearing actual responses to the real question. A few of you have actually tried to engage the question by stating- this cause likely calls to banksy in some way. Maybe he is arab or his wife is etc. he has a linkage to it. I think that's a reasonable answer. But what about straight British artists that have zero link? Seems money grab no? FYI that image of scale is stupid. US has given Palestine 5bln in aid as well. Why is that excluded if not to be unfactual. We seem to be ignoring facts and the intital question because the answer seems too ugly. Your question assumes that 9 out of 10 times artists choose to create art about this subject. But is that true? Can you cite more examples of artists and pieces discussing this issue? No. The point is 9 out of 10 times (does it matter if it's 8/10?) street artists get involved in human rights issues they pick this one. And my point is they do this because of the financial gain and easy access. It's easy. Like is said, they fly Ba to tlv, eat some hummus and hit the club and beach. They don't spend time on causes that are not profitable. Repub of central Africa not paying 6 figueres to paint (censored) murals and taking them out for nobulike the benevolent UAE does. I think my observations are not commonly held and I do appreciate people's thoughts and inputs. I respect all your ideas. It's a healthy thing to discuss arts part in this.
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 18, 2017 14:21:08 GMT 1, It's incredible how so many people write rambling non fact based responses, attack me for zero reason and ignore my initial question. I just keep having to respond to unrelated stupid points instead of hearing actual responses to the real question. A few of you have actually tried to engage the question by stating- this cause likely calls to banksy in some way. Maybe he is arab or his wife is etc. he has a linkage to it. I think that's a reasonable answer. But what about straight British artists that have zero link? Seems money grab no?
FYI that image of scale is stupid. US has given Palestine 5bln in aid as well. Why is that excluded if not to be unfactual. We seem to be ignoring facts and the intital question because the answer seems too ugly.
It's incredible how so many people write rambling non fact based responses, attack me for zero reason and ignore my initial question. I just keep having to respond to unrelated stupid points instead of hearing actual responses to the real question. A few of you have actually tried to engage the question by stating- this cause likely calls to banksy in some way. Maybe he is arab or his wife is etc. he has a linkage to it. I think that's a reasonable answer. But what about straight British artists that have zero link? Seems money grab no?
FYI that image of scale is stupid. US has given Palestine 5bln in aid as well. Why is that excluded if not to be unfactual. We seem to be ignoring facts and the intital question because the answer seems too ugly.
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 18, 2017 2:14:33 GMT 1, Fwiw, I also think that the tittle of this thread is disengenous. I don't for one minute think that this was "an honest question". I have no doubt that you gently introduced an issue that you had very strong feeling about, with the intention of rattling a few cages. Poor form.
Im still hoping 1 person can answer my very honest question that is being avoided like the plague
Fwiw, I also think that the tittle of this thread is disengenous. I don't for one minute think that this was "an honest question". I have no doubt that you gently introduced an issue that you had very strong feeling about, with the intention of rattling a few cages. Poor form. Im still hoping 1 person can answer my very honest question that is being avoided like the plague
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 18, 2017 1:48:51 GMT 1, I guess the fact that no one is willing to answer my initial question speaks volumes. Street artists happy to get paid by oppressive regimes and do murals in Dubai with blood money, where women can't be outside without male escort (yes outside the hard rock hotel that's the deal). Then they fly to Tel Aviv, hang at the beach, chow some hummus, hit the clubs, then do a free Palestine work. No clue why I would have ever thought to raise such a question. It's absurd to make the correlation. All those murals in Mogadishu look so good, oh there are none because no ones paying. Well, it's intereting to debate this aspect of art, and I honestly do appreciate everyone's thoughts. I cherish our freedom to have our own thoughts and assumptions. Ok, what are you doing in relation to the causes (for want of a better word) that you are referring to?
A- I am not an artist B- I do not Get paid by oppressive ME regimes for work. Never would sell my wares to people that stone gay people to death or cloak their women. I would never do biz like that so I'm doing a lot. C- philanthropy. US is the most charitable country in the world per capita. Myanmar close number 2. Somehow I must prove my part to be valid in pointing out these artists are taking money from bad people then picking their cause to be their own. You don't see that as suspect? So some royal fam member pays me to paint a mural in UAE, then a month later im doing a stunt in West Bank. Yeah, nothing sketchy with that.
FYI, if you have hung out in Dubai, it was built on the backs of what amounts to Arab "Palestinian" slaves by wealthy arabs who have a vested interest in their poverty. Much like the travesty that is the civil rights movement in the USA. See the documentary the 13th to get a sense of that injustice in America.
You know those people changing the sheets in your hotel in shame el sheik, you would not believe how Egypt treats "Palistinian" arabs.
I guess the fact that no one is willing to answer my initial question speaks volumes. Street artists happy to get paid by oppressive regimes and do murals in Dubai with blood money, where women can't be outside without male escort (yes outside the hard rock hotel that's the deal). Then they fly to Tel Aviv, hang at the beach, chow some hummus, hit the clubs, then do a free Palestine work. No clue why I would have ever thought to raise such a question. It's absurd to make the correlation. All those murals in Mogadishu look so good, oh there are none because no ones paying. Well, it's intereting to debate this aspect of art, and I honestly do appreciate everyone's thoughts. I cherish our freedom to have our own thoughts and assumptions. Ok, what are you doing in relation to the causes (for want of a better word) that you are referring to? A- I am not an artist B- I do not Get paid by oppressive ME regimes for work. Never would sell my wares to people that stone gay people to death or cloak their women. I would never do biz like that so I'm doing a lot. C- philanthropy. US is the most charitable country in the world per capita. Myanmar close number 2. Somehow I must prove my part to be valid in pointing out these artists are taking money from bad people then picking their cause to be their own. You don't see that as suspect? So some royal fam member pays me to paint a mural in UAE, then a month later im doing a stunt in West Bank. Yeah, nothing sketchy with that. FYI, if you have hung out in Dubai, it was built on the backs of what amounts to Arab "Palestinian" slaves by wealthy arabs who have a vested interest in their poverty. Much like the travesty that is the civil rights movement in the USA. See the documentary the 13th to get a sense of that injustice in America. You know those people changing the sheets in your hotel in shame el sheik, you would not believe how Egypt treats "Palistinian" arabs.
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 18, 2017 0:32:34 GMT 1,
Nice! London made it for its digital safety. Dope
Nice! London made it for its digital safety. Dope
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 18, 2017 0:31:07 GMT 1, I guess the fact that no one is willing to answer my initial question speaks volumes. Street artists happy to get paid by oppressive regimes and do murals in Dubai with blood money, where women can't be outside without male escort (yes outside the hard rock hotel that's the deal). Then they fly to Tel Aviv, hang at the beach, chow some hummus, hit the clubs, then do a free Palestine work.
No clue why I would have ever thought to raise such a question. It's absurd to make the correlation. All those murals in Mogadishu look so good, oh there are none because no ones paying.
Well, it's intereting to debate this aspect of art, and I honestly do appreciate everyone's thoughts. I cherish our freedom to have our own thoughts and assumptions.
I guess the fact that no one is willing to answer my initial question speaks volumes. Street artists happy to get paid by oppressive regimes and do murals in Dubai with blood money, where women can't be outside without male escort (yes outside the hard rock hotel that's the deal). Then they fly to Tel Aviv, hang at the beach, chow some hummus, hit the clubs, then do a free Palestine work.
No clue why I would have ever thought to raise such a question. It's absurd to make the correlation. All those murals in Mogadishu look so good, oh there are none because no ones paying.
Well, it's intereting to debate this aspect of art, and I honestly do appreciate everyone's thoughts. I cherish our freedom to have our own thoughts and assumptions.
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 18, 2017 0:21:37 GMT 1, Citizen of 2 countries. Us and U.K. Most recently london. The london part was a joke and the last thing anyone should focus on in this discussion. Not a very funny one.
list25.com/the-25-most-dangerous-cities-on-earth/
London made top 25, and worse than Lagos Nigeria. I'm not off base. Everyone I know in london has been robbed or assaulted. Seems like common knowledge.
Citizen of 2 countries. Us and U.K. Most recently london. The london part was a joke and the last thing anyone should focus on in this discussion. Not a very funny one. list25.com/the-25-most-dangerous-cities-on-earth/London made top 25, and worse than Lagos Nigeria. I'm not off base. Everyone I know in london has been robbed or assaulted. Seems like common knowledge.
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 17, 2017 23:49:59 GMT 1,
All for it. But that's not the question in my post so this is trolling. I do t want peoples split opinions on Israel Palestine. I want an assessment as to why this trumps all other causes when it's least clear.
Other than it being super safe for the artists to work there and tons of dough in the pr campaign of it from oil cash
All for it. But that's not the question in my post so this is trolling. I do t want peoples split opinions on Israel Palestine. I want an assessment as to why this trumps all other causes when it's least clear. Other than it being super safe for the artists to work there and tons of dough in the pr campaign of it from oil cash
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 17, 2017 23:36:48 GMT 1, Think about this again. You are talking about a wealthy person(relative term) being philanthropic. That person might be from Nepal and want to donate. I'm aksing why artists are so lazy that they go for the Middle East cash cow that is clearly at best unclear who is right. When there are actual bonified victims in say Nepal. An earthquake can't be debated as the aggressor. You have changed your argument. You were first suggesting that there were more worthy causes. Now you are questioning "who is right".
Let's keep this clean. Not going down rabbit hole. Why this conflict when it's clearly just low hanging fruit and not as dire as the situations of no joke billions of other humans
Think about this again. You are talking about a wealthy person(relative term) being philanthropic. That person might be from Nepal and want to donate. I'm aksing why artists are so lazy that they go for the Middle East cash cow that is clearly at best unclear who is right. When there are actual bonified victims in say Nepal. An earthquake can't be debated as the aggressor. You have changed your argument. You were first suggesting that there were more worthy causes. Now you are questioning "who is right". Let's keep this clean. Not going down rabbit hole. Why this conflict when it's clearly just low hanging fruit and not as dire as the situations of no joke billions of other humans
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 17, 2017 23:35:25 GMT 1, Think about this again. You are talking about a wealthy person(relative term) being philanthropic. That person might be from Nepal and want to donate. I'm aksing why artists are so lazy that they go for the Middle East cash cow that is clearly at best unclear who is right. When there are actual bonified victims in say Nepal. An earthquake can't be debated as the aggressor. That person was neither wealthy nor from napal. You miss my point.
Doesn't matter where they are from. Philanthropy is not art. This person does not make a living off of sellin art to help Nepal I would think. Banksy does make money off selling art and this an art installation in the West Bank is nothink like donating to charity. So why not go do an art install in sat somalia? And criticize one side there? Or coastal Kenya?
Think about this again. You are talking about a wealthy person(relative term) being philanthropic. That person might be from Nepal and want to donate. I'm aksing why artists are so lazy that they go for the Middle East cash cow that is clearly at best unclear who is right. When there are actual bonified victims in say Nepal. An earthquake can't be debated as the aggressor. That person was neither wealthy nor from napal. You miss my point. Doesn't matter where they are from. Philanthropy is not art. This person does not make a living off of sellin art to help Nepal I would think. Banksy does make money off selling art and this an art installation in the West Bank is nothink like donating to charity. So why not go do an art install in sat somalia? And criticize one side there? Or coastal Kenya?
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 17, 2017 23:32:37 GMT 1, There are 1.6bln muslims in the world. 500mm arabs. 3rd largest ethnic group behind Chinese and Indian. So you are saying this convo somehow enslaves 1.6bln people asking why the Palestine conflict get and unbalanced amount of arts attention bs other struggles in the world? Thiss**t sounds bought$$$ Can I ask what country you are from? I am interested because of your comment about London. It's not something I recognise.
Citizen of 2 countries. Us and U.K. Most recently london. The london part was a joke and the last thing anyone should focus on in this discussion.
There are 1.6bln muslims in the world. 500mm arabs. 3rd largest ethnic group behind Chinese and Indian. So you are saying this convo somehow enslaves 1.6bln people asking why the Palestine conflict get and unbalanced amount of arts attention bs other struggles in the world? Thiss**t sounds bought$$$ Can I ask what country you are from? I am interested because of your comment about London. It's not something I recognise. Citizen of 2 countries. Us and U.K. Most recently london. The london part was a joke and the last thing anyone should focus on in this discussion.
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 17, 2017 23:30:59 GMT 1, Ok. So the question is why is that the group and victims being supported by the art community. Could anyone point out Central African Republic on a map? Did you know that more people have died there since December than ever died in Israel Palestine conflict? How can I not view this as artists simply being $ shills for those with interest in this conflict? I want to know what drives artists to this situation when it's so obviously not even close to top of the list of social injustice, and in fact it's heavily debated which side is to blame. Where as most other conflicts the victims are obvious. This one it's very unclear and also very far from other groups of victims globally. It is blatantly disengenous to criticise someone for raising money or awareness for one cause just because there are other more worthy causes. Recently a forum member put in which effort to raise just under ยฃ16k for the people of napal. Would you criticise him on the basis that he should have been raising money for something or someone else? Of course not. Are your comments more directed at simply criticising supporting Palestine?
Think about this again. You are talking about a wealthy person(relative term) being philanthropic. That person might be from Nepal and want to donate. I'm aksing why artists are so lazy that they go for the Middle East cash cow that is clearly at best unclear who is right. When there are actual bonified victims in say Nepal. An earthquake can't be debated as the aggressor.
Ok. So the question is why is that the group and victims being supported by the art community. Could anyone point out Central African Republic on a map? Did you know that more people have died there since December than ever died in Israel Palestine conflict? How can I not view this as artists simply being $ shills for those with interest in this conflict? I want to know what drives artists to this situation when it's so obviously not even close to top of the list of social injustice, and in fact it's heavily debated which side is to blame. Where as most other conflicts the victims are obvious. This one it's very unclear and also very far from other groups of victims globally. It is blatantly disengenous to criticise someone for raising money or awareness for one cause just because there are other more worthy causes. Recently a forum member put in which effort to raise just under ยฃ16k for the people of napal. Would you criticise him on the basis that he should have been raising money for something or someone else? Of course not. Are your comments more directed at simply criticising supporting Palestine? Think about this again. You are talking about a wealthy person(relative term) being philanthropic. That person might be from Nepal and want to donate. I'm aksing why artists are so lazy that they go for the Middle East cash cow that is clearly at best unclear who is right. When there are actual bonified victims in say Nepal. An earthquake can't be debated as the aggressor.
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 17, 2017 23:27:48 GMT 1, Every muslim/Arab/Palestinian/person who's different is a terrorist - let's curtail their freedom, their rights, their basic needs and when people support them, let's change the subject. f**kthis thread.
There are 1.6bln muslims in the world. 500mm arabs. 3rd largest ethnic group behind Chinese and Indian. So you are saying this convo somehow enslaves 1.6bln people asking why the Palestine conflict get and unbalanced amount of arts attention bs other struggles in the world? This shit sounds bought$$$
Every muslim/Arab/Palestinian/person who's different is a terrorist - let's curtail their freedom, their rights, their basic needs and when people support them, let's change the subject. f**kthis thread. There are 1.6bln muslims in the world. 500mm arabs. 3rd largest ethnic group behind Chinese and Indian. So you are saying this convo somehow enslaves 1.6bln people asking why the Palestine conflict get and unbalanced amount of arts attention bs other struggles in the world? This shit sounds bought$$$
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 17, 2017 23:14:57 GMT 1, Ok. So the question is why is that the group and victims being supported by the art community. Could anyone point out Central African Republic on a map? Did you know that more people have died there since December than ever died in Israel Palestine conflict? How can I not view this as artists simply being $ shills for those with interest in this conflict? I want to know what drives artists to this situation when it's so obviously not even close to top of the list of social injustice, and in fact it's heavily debated which side is to blame. Where as most other conflicts the victims are obvious. This one it's very unclear and also very far from other groups of victims globally. is this a paid post ? Israel are an occupying army unlawfully imprisoning and murdering civilians including woman and children in their own homes in their own country. They're also participants in the Eurovision song contest, so not only do they commit collective punishment against innocent civilians, but against the rest of us too.
Ok, that has happened 10x more in central Africa in last few months. Kids butchered women raped etc. someone must have a reason why pali and not the far worse situations out there are championed by art. Trust me if you can stay in a hotel in West Bank means it's nicer than some areas of london. How about you hit a hotel in Somalia and see what victim means.
Ok. So the question is why is that the group and victims being supported by the art community. Could anyone point out Central African Republic on a map? Did you know that more people have died there since December than ever died in Israel Palestine conflict? How can I not view this as artists simply being $ shills for those with interest in this conflict? I want to know what drives artists to this situation when it's so obviously not even close to top of the list of social injustice, and in fact it's heavily debated which side is to blame. Where as most other conflicts the victims are obvious. This one it's very unclear and also very far from other groups of victims globally. is this a paid post ? Israel are an occupying army unlawfully imprisoning and murdering civilians including woman and children in their own homes in their own country. They're also participants in the Eurovision song contest, so not only do they commit collective punishment against innocent civilians, but against the rest of us too. Ok, that has happened 10x more in central Africa in last few months. Kids butchered women raped etc. someone must have a reason why pali and not the far worse situations out there are championed by art. Trust me if you can stay in a hotel in West Bank means it's nicer than some areas of london. How about you hit a hotel in Somalia and see what victim means.
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 17, 2017 23:09:32 GMT 1, while palestinians and arabs wont rest until every israeli/jew is destroyed.... Could that be characterized as a gross Islamophobic exaggeration?
It is stated policy from all Arab leadership that Israel does not have right to exist as a state. What's to debate here? Wording might be aggressive but this is a fact. But it is off tangent to my question.
Now explain to me why the art community does not acknowledge facts? I really want to get this. I have a comparison actually. The art world has come to the defense of native Americans in the North Dakota pipeline case. Native Americans were the aboriginal culture in America (as are Jews in Israel), native Americans are the minorities in a huge way (same is the case of Jews relative to arabs). Conflict over land. Etc. I get there are many differences.
But why is the Jewish situation () the only case where art attacks the group that is aboriginal to the region, the minority in the conflict? It's honestly starting to really upset me regarding the art world. I'm starting to feel sold out. Is Middle East cash really that powerful in art world? Don't tell me I'm crazy! Banksy is basically doing a show that says as much right now. clear where the hotel is right...
If he wanted to address victims, why go for this one and skew it to one side? If it's not money, or easy, what is it? I mean damn, art that takes the other side of Jews is a pretty tired/old and bad consequence practice.
while palestinians and arabs wont rest until every israeli/jew is destroyed.... Could that be characterized as a gross Islamophobic exaggeration? It is stated policy from all Arab leadership that Israel does not have right to exist as a state. What's to debate here? Wording might be aggressive but this is a fact. But it is off tangent to my question. Now explain to me why the art community does not acknowledge facts? I really want to get this. I have a comparison actually. The art world has come to the defense of native Americans in the North Dakota pipeline case. Native Americans were the aboriginal culture in America (as are Jews in Israel), native Americans are the minorities in a huge way (same is the case of Jews relative to arabs). Conflict over land. Etc. I get there are many differences. But why is the Jewish situation () the only case where art attacks the group that is aboriginal to the region, the minority in the conflict? It's honestly starting to really upset me regarding the art world. I'm starting to feel sold out. Is Middle East cash really that powerful in art world? Don't tell me I'm crazy! Banksy is basically doing a show that says as much right now. clear where the hotel is right... If he wanted to address victims, why go for this one and skew it to one side? If it's not money, or easy, what is it? I mean damn, art that takes the other side of Jews is a pretty tired/old and bad consequence practice.
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 17, 2017 22:49:25 GMT 1, Its a show of support for the real victims against the perpetrators from outside and within.
Ok. So the question is why is that the group and victims being supported by the art community. Could anyone point out Central African Republic on a map? Did you know that more people have died there since December than ever died in Israel Palestine conflict? How can I not view this as artists simply being $ shills for those with interest in this conflict? I want to know what drives artists to this situation when it's so obviously not even close to top of the list of social injustice, and in fact it's heavily debated which side is to blame. Where as most other conflicts the victims are obvious. This one it's very unclear and also very far from other groups of victims globally.
Its a show of support for the real victims against the perpetrators from outside and within. Ok. So the question is why is that the group and victims being supported by the art community. Could anyone point out Central African Republic on a map? Did you know that more people have died there since December than ever died in Israel Palestine conflict? How can I not view this as artists simply being $ shills for those with interest in this conflict? I want to know what drives artists to this situation when it's so obviously not even close to top of the list of social injustice, and in fact it's heavily debated which side is to blame. Where as most other conflicts the victims are obvious. This one it's very unclear and also very far from other groups of victims globally.
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 17, 2017 18:27:33 GMT 1, Given your points, which I think have been thought through and are valid arguments, why does the artist community disagree? Simply the financial aspect? Pays to talk about Palestine? That is very depressing and it makes me hate my collection....
Given your points, which I think have been thought through and are valid arguments, why does the artist community disagree? Simply the financial aspect? Pays to talk about Palestine? That is very depressing and it makes me hate my collection....
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Banksy in Palestine ๐ต๐ธ, by Harrington FAN on Mar 17, 2017 17:33:18 GMT 1, I see many comments on this board talking about the great work artists do for Palestine. From tagging a wall, to setting up a hotel and bringing spotlight to the region. I think the topic might be the most discussed humanity concept on this board by a factor of 1000x. It would be super insightful to hear the art communities take since we are the buyers and consumers. Keep in mind i am not Jewish. I HAVE traveled to both places and have spent real time there. I also dont want this to get insane and blabberish. Try and shine a light on this for me because I simply dont get it.
A few thoughts that dont click in my head that I have always wanted to make sense of in relation to art and this causeโฆ
Israel- its imperfect. Building crap houses on disputed rock piles. Agro military like police is an issue. Lets keep in mind it was founded 5k years ago so itโs nothing new. These peeps have been in the same tiny area before there were Christians, Muslims, Buddhistsโฆ. Also, Jews have basically been eliminated from the planet with roughly 13 million left. They have never really been safe anywhere aside from the USA from attack or genocide be it from Spain to Germany. Probably the most persecuted people on the planet by a factor of 1000x. Keep in mind 13mm/7.5bln means jews are .001% of the world population.
Flip side, there are 450 million Arabs and the population grows not shrinks, with 22 nations. Ample space and natural resources, wealth. All the ability in the world to make the lives of Palestine better overnight.
Now for the nature of things. Art embraces acceptance right? the odd? gay rights maybe? womens rights? minorities (like those that make up .001% of the world?) Dont think i need to highlight the difference for a womens freedom between these 2 societies, or for a gay person. Of which i am neither. Yeah, think i have a clear opinion or bias. i will admit this and i do not want to start some firestorm of hatred. What I do want is for the art world to explain why this is, of all the problems on our planet, the one art likes to hug? How am i so misaligned form the art world that I generally love? educate me please.
What I really want to know, is why artists pick this topic of all on the planet 9 out of 10 times? does it sell prints? is it a safe and easy that looks dangerous? can look like its front lines but really its safe place to be risky from? why not pick one of these----- genocidewatch.net/alerts-2/new-alerts/
Explain why the central African republic has never and will never be in a print anyone quotes or โlikesโ on Instagram from Banksy? 5,186 people have died in Central African Republic since fighting between Muslims and Christians started in December. That is about the number of Palestinians killed since second intifada in 2000. And we must think some of those were militarized right? Not saying thos ethat have died anywhere are not important. Simply trying to understand the extreme focus.
I want to understand why ART, forget media or other orgs that have own financial and political motivations. Picks this topic for its prints, stunts, charities?
What I hope this discussion can bring out is an answer to why this topic engages the ART world (not uni student world) more than say, Somali genocide taking place now. No need to site more facts about this specific conflict. Explain why it is the art worlds darling over much more dire situations. Not who is right or wrong. That will be debated for eternity it seems. But specific to this forum, why is art all about this topic. If the world simply doesnโt like Jewish people, itโs an answer. Not a great one, but at least it answers my question.
As a side topic am very interested how female artists, or gay artists feel. Not just white dudes.
I see many comments on this board talking about the great work artists do for Palestine. From tagging a wall, to setting up a hotel and bringing spotlight to the region. I think the topic might be the most discussed humanity concept on this board by a factor of 1000x. It would be super insightful to hear the art communities take since we are the buyers and consumers. Keep in mind i am not Jewish. I HAVE traveled to both places and have spent real time there. I also dont want this to get insane and blabberish. Try and shine a light on this for me because I simply dont get it. A few thoughts that dont click in my head that I have always wanted to make sense of in relation to art and this causeโฆ Israel- its imperfect. Building crap houses on disputed rock piles. Agro military like police is an issue. Lets keep in mind it was founded 5k years ago so itโs nothing new. These peeps have been in the same tiny area before there were Christians, Muslims, Buddhistsโฆ. Also, Jews have basically been eliminated from the planet with roughly 13 million left. They have never really been safe anywhere aside from the USA from attack or genocide be it from Spain to Germany. Probably the most persecuted people on the planet by a factor of 1000x. Keep in mind 13mm/7.5bln means jews are .001% of the world population. Flip side, there are 450 million Arabs and the population grows not shrinks, with 22 nations. Ample space and natural resources, wealth. All the ability in the world to make the lives of Palestine better overnight. Now for the nature of things. Art embraces acceptance right? the odd? gay rights maybe? womens rights? minorities (like those that make up .001% of the world?) Dont think i need to highlight the difference for a womens freedom between these 2 societies, or for a gay person. Of which i am neither. Yeah, think i have a clear opinion or bias. i will admit this and i do not want to start some firestorm of hatred. What I do want is for the art world to explain why this is, of all the problems on our planet, the one art likes to hug? How am i so misaligned form the art world that I generally love? educate me please. What I really want to know, is why artists pick this topic of all on the planet 9 out of 10 times? does it sell prints? is it a safe and easy that looks dangerous? can look like its front lines but really its safe place to be risky from? why not pick one of these----- genocidewatch.net/alerts-2/new-alerts/Explain why the central African republic has never and will never be in a print anyone quotes or โlikesโ on Instagram from Banksy? 5,186 people have died in Central African Republic since fighting between Muslims and Christians started in December. That is about the number of Palestinians killed since second intifada in 2000. And we must think some of those were militarized right? Not saying thos ethat have died anywhere are not important. Simply trying to understand the extreme focus. I want to understand why ART, forget media or other orgs that have own financial and political motivations. Picks this topic for its prints, stunts, charities? What I hope this discussion can bring out is an answer to why this topic engages the ART world (not uni student world) more than say, Somali genocide taking place now. No need to site more facts about this specific conflict. Explain why it is the art worlds darling over much more dire situations. Not who is right or wrong. That will be debated for eternity it seems. But specific to this forum, why is art all about this topic. If the world simply doesnโt like Jewish people, itโs an answer. Not a great one, but at least it answers my question. As a side topic am very interested how female artists, or gay artists feel. Not just white dudes.
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 11, 2017 0:39:42 GMT 1, ... it can only be the worst For Sale thread ever if it has a picture of Donald trump in it ... Or a painting of the U.K. 20yrs post brexit
... it can only be the worst For Sale thread ever if it has a picture of Donald trump in it ... Or a painting of the U.K. 20yrs post brexit
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 11, 2017 0:26:55 GMT 1, It's a loovely print. My offer 550gbp. Later y'all
It's a loovely print. My offer 550gbp. Later y'all
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 11, 2017 0:21:55 GMT 1, is this an American only thread? You guys are very good at arguing It must be exhausting xx I'ts not just the Americans. It's worth this much. No, this much. Tomorrow it will be x2. Not a word about the art other than its value.
Can we actually infuse some intelligent discussion in tot his? Both the buyer and seller like the work. See relevance. One wants to sell while other wants to buy. This is a commerce post. Why should 2 people trying to transact talk about the work itself if both already know what it is? We should have talked about the steps of lenticular printing and not the last 25 sales to agree on a price? Wtf
is this an American only thread? You guys are very good at arguing It must be exhausting xx I'ts not just the Americans. It's worth this much. No, this much. Tomorrow it will be x2. Not a word about the art other than its value. Can we actually infuse some intelligent discussion in tot his? Both the buyer and seller like the work. See relevance. One wants to sell while other wants to buy. This is a commerce post. Why should 2 people trying to transact talk about the work itself if both already know what it is? We should have talked about the steps of lenticular printing and not the last 25 sales to agree on a price? Wtf
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 11, 2017 0:06:45 GMT 1, A few points. 1- I actually made an offer that was legit and 2x what he just paid. Disrespect? 2- People go crazy over flipping but now everyone is upset about analyzing price? 3- locate 1 disrespectful word uttered? Price discovery is essential in here no? 4- dont we all agree the more convo about the work and price the better? Instead of these darkpool Conversations that no one learns from? 5- where was the derail? Please explain? I'm sure seller is a great guy. The biggest shame is all of you shaming freedom of thought to debate. This is a forum not a blind auction gypsy flea market for people to flip prints. I never once said anything bad about the seller or the work. Both seem great. "...Convo about the work..."- I can't see any posts discussing the work. I can't see any posts you have made that aren't about buy, sell or value (I might be wrong). It's a shame if this place just becomes a market place. A place only to buy, sell, talk prices up or down, or talk about value. That's not an art discussion forum.
For sale section not about price? Have I landed on another planet?
A few points. 1- I actually made an offer that was legit and 2x what he just paid. Disrespect? 2- People go crazy over flipping but now everyone is upset about analyzing price? 3- locate 1 disrespectful word uttered? Price discovery is essential in here no? 4- dont we all agree the more convo about the work and price the better? Instead of these darkpool Conversations that no one learns from? 5- where was the derail? Please explain? I'm sure seller is a great guy. The biggest shame is all of you shaming freedom of thought to debate. This is a forum not a blind auction gypsy flea market for people to flip prints. I never once said anything bad about the seller or the work. Both seem great. "...Convo about the work..."- I can't see any posts discussing the work. I can't see any posts you have made that aren't about buy, sell or value (I might be wrong). It's a shame if this place just becomes a market place. A place only to buy, sell, talk prices up or down, or talk about value. That's not an art discussion forum. For sale section not about price? Have I landed on another planet?
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 11, 2017 0:04:47 GMT 1, is this an American only thread? You guys are very good at arguing It must be exhausting xx
Sorry, spot of tea and free Palestine Tshirt mandatory is rule 12.... missed that too. I better ring cambridge and resign my post.
is this an American only thread? You guys are very good at arguing It must be exhausting xx Sorry, spot of tea and free Palestine Tshirt mandatory is rule 12.... missed that too. I better ring cambridge and resign my post.
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 11, 2017 0:02:43 GMT 1, 11. In Sales Threads; please respect the Original Posterโs valuation. Whilst you may believe you have a valid opinion on what a sensible market value is, another memberโs For Sale Thread is not the place to debate the matter. If you have a differing view you should refer to the Price Check section and debate the matter there.
I've honestly never read that before! My bad. Should have made offer and stopped talking. Rest of my points are 100% accurate but I see Your pony on rule. The debate on price will only draw attention to sale! If someone out there wants it for 700 they will certainly buy it and Laugh at all the debate. I still do t see why anyone's panties full of sand over healthy debate and my points above all still valid.
11. In Sales Threads; please respect the Original Posterโs valuation. Whilst you may believe you have a valid opinion on what a sensible market value is, another memberโs For Sale Thread is not the place to debate the matter. If you have a differing view you should refer to the Price Check section and debate the matter there. I've honestly never read that before! My bad. Should have made offer and stopped talking. Rest of my points are 100% accurate but I see Your pony on rule. The debate on price will only draw attention to sale! If someone out there wants it for 700 they will certainly buy it and Laugh at all the debate. I still do t see why anyone's panties full of sand over healthy debate and my points above all still valid.
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 10, 2017 23:47:44 GMT 1, A few points. 1- I actually made an offer that was legit and 2x what he just paid. Disrespect? 2- People go crazy over flipping but now everyone is upset about analyzing price? 3- locate 1 disrespectful word uttered? Price discovery is essential in here no? 4- dont we all agree the more convo about the work and price the better? Instead of these darkpool Conversations that no one learns from? 5- where was the derail? Please explain? I'm sure seller is a great guy.
The biggest shame is all of you shaming freedom of thought to debate. This is a forum not a blind auction gypsy flea market for people to flip prints. I never once said anything bad about the seller or the work. Both seem great.
A few points. 1- I actually made an offer that was legit and 2x what he just paid. Disrespect? 2- People go crazy over flipping but now everyone is upset about analyzing price? 3- locate 1 disrespectful word uttered? Price discovery is essential in here no? 4- dont we all agree the more convo about the work and price the better? Instead of these darkpool Conversations that no one learns from? 5- where was the derail? Please explain? I'm sure seller is a great guy.
The biggest shame is all of you shaming freedom of thought to debate. This is a forum not a blind auction gypsy flea market for people to flip prints. I never once said anything bad about the seller or the work. Both seem great.
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 10, 2017 22:15:33 GMT 1, linea is very cool print. GLWTS. Honestly i could be way off.
linea is very cool print. GLWTS. Honestly i could be way off.
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 10, 2017 22:12:39 GMT 1, muahahahaha. data supports it!
2017-02-10 $2184.09 eBay
2017-01-25 $1850.00 christorge2
2017-01-05 $2059.92 eBay
2016-12-20 $1900.00 soupysound
2016-12-20 $1672.85 eBay
2016-12-18 $1864.95 eBay
2016-12-17 $2081.90 eBay
2016-12-15 $2450.00 eBay
muahahahaha. data supports it!
2017-02-10 $2184.09 eBay
2017-01-25 $1850.00 christorge2
2017-01-05 $2059.92 eBay
2016-12-20 $1900.00 soupysound
2016-12-20 $1672.85 eBay
2016-12-18 $1864.95 eBay
2016-12-17 $2081.90 eBay
2016-12-15 $2450.00 eBay
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 10, 2017 21:59:37 GMT 1, why is it valueless? it just sold brand new to you for $350. It now sells for around 550gbp (660usd) minus fees. Double its sale price. I dont get why there is no value.
My harrington transformer i just put up sells from 1800-2400. Very clear prints on EB just like this pejac. I said ill sell, best offer from 1800 or higher gets it. Not "well in 2 years its gonna be worth 5k so pay me 4k"
why is it valueless? it just sold brand new to you for $350. It now sells for around 550gbp (660usd) minus fees. Double its sale price. I dont get why there is no value.
My harrington transformer i just put up sells from 1800-2400. Very clear prints on EB just like this pejac. I said ill sell, best offer from 1800 or higher gets it. Not "well in 2 years its gonna be worth 5k so pay me 4k"
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