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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Dec 29, 2015 19:55:49 GMT 1, THE most pointless question ever asked about art. Why do people like....... More important question, how the hell does it seem worth while to even ask that?? Personal taste. Same reason I don't like pink and don't eat McDonald's. Get the f**k over it! It was a question aimed at trying to find an explanation for the absurd pricing...chill out.
Sounds more like a pointless attack to me.
And it's all been said before about the likes of harring Lowry picasso etc so it's a bit pointless to say the least, since the actual answer you can't escape from is quite obviously personal taste.
As for insane prices, that's just your opinion really isn't it.
THE most pointless question ever asked about art. Why do people like....... More important question, how the hell does it seem worth while to even ask that?? Personal taste. Same reason I don't like pink and don't eat McDonald's. Get the f**k over it! It was a question aimed at trying to find an explanation for the absurd pricing...chill out. Sounds more like a pointless attack to me. And it's all been said before about the likes of harring Lowry picasso etc so it's a bit pointless to say the least, since the actual answer you can't escape from is quite obviously personal taste. As for insane prices, that's just your opinion really isn't it.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Dec 29, 2015 19:51:37 GMT 1, THE most pointless question ever asked about art. Why do people like....... More important question, how the hell does it seem worth while to even ask that?? Personal taste. Same reason I don't like pink and don't eat McDonald's. Get the f**k over it! Some people like really bad B grade movies too, but as a friend, it'll do everybody good to let him know there are plenty of good A grade flicks out there so he'll not continue to waste his bloody time watching those bad ones.
Dictators decide the tastes of others, not friends.
THE most pointless question ever asked about art. Why do people like....... More important question, how the hell does it seem worth while to even ask that?? Personal taste. Same reason I don't like pink and don't eat McDonald's. Get the f**k over it! Some people like really bad B grade movies too, but as a friend, it'll do everybody good to let him know there are plenty of good A grade flicks out there so he'll not continue to waste his bloody time watching those bad ones. Dictators decide the tastes of others, not friends.
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Dec 29, 2015 19:50:05 GMT 1, THE most pointless question ever asked about art. Why do people like....... More important question, how the hell does it seem worth while to even ask that?? Personal taste. Same reason I don't like pink and don't eat McDonald's. Get the f**k over it! But why don't you like pink? Wouldn't you not even eat their Hot Chocolate Sundae?!
Lol not sure. Just have an anti pink thing going on.
As for McDonald's, I'll go with its not food! But then that's just my opinion eh.
Ice cream Sunday, hmmm nah I'd go by Ben n jerrys n scoff the lot ;-)
THE most pointless question ever asked about art. Why do people like....... More important question, how the hell does it seem worth while to even ask that?? Personal taste. Same reason I don't like pink and don't eat McDonald's. Get the f**k over it! But why don't you like pink? Wouldn't you not even eat their Hot Chocolate Sundae?! Lol not sure. Just have an anti pink thing going on. As for McDonald's, I'll go with its not food! But then that's just my opinion eh. Ice cream Sunday, hmmm nah I'd go by Ben n jerrys n scoff the lot ;-)
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Dec 29, 2015 18:56:46 GMT 1, THE most pointless question ever asked about art.
Why do people like.......
More important question, how the hell does it seem worth while to even ask that??
Personal taste. Same reason I don't like pink and don't eat McDonald's.
Get the fuck over it!
THE most pointless question ever asked about art.
Why do people like.......
More important question, how the hell does it seem worth while to even ask that??
Personal taste. Same reason I don't like pink and don't eat McDonald's.
Get the fuck over it!
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Giveaway (now finished), by tartarus on Dec 29, 2015 16:29:59 GMT 1, 11e
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Why do people like Stik?, by tartarus on Dec 29, 2015 11:53:57 GMT 1, Here we go... next is the "who runs it" question
That's easy. Payney/potaplant/toast is running it.
Here we go... next is the "who runs it" question That's easy. Payney/potaplant/toast is running it.
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advertising/sponsoring on this forum.., by tartarus on Dec 23, 2015 20:35:28 GMT 1, Long journey, Still waiting on a response from Nov 11th
Hmmm
Long journey, Still waiting on a response from Nov 11th Hmmm
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by tartarus on Dec 18, 2015 15:34:04 GMT 1, www.ial.uk.com/news/street-artist-and-community-fight-for-dismembered-mural/
British street artist “Stik”, known for painting giant stick-figure images on buildings around the world has become involved in a campaign to restitute a mural he helped create in the city of Gdansk, Poland in 2011. The mural, which features a series of 53 stick figures holding hands in celebration of the local community, was painted onto two large metal shipping containers in Gdansk’s Lower Town. It was commissioned by the Laznia Centre for Contemporary Art as part of a festival of British culture funded by the city and the British Council and involved a group of young artists from the community who contributed to the creation of the work.
The work stretched 150 feet along the sides of the containers, which were said to be owned by a school in Gdansk and used to store canoes for a local sporting club. It was understood by Stik and the others involved that the school had consented to the use of the containers for the project, which was part of a general regeneration of this deprived and neglected part of the city. Stik and Laznia entered into a contract by which Stik gave a limited licence to Laznia to make use of the work for educational and promotional purposes only.
workshop 3 Stik with the local artists in front of their mural in Gdansk in 2011 (c/o Stik)
Unbeknownst to Stik, Laznia or the local artists, the containers and the mural painted on them were removed in 2014. In September 2015 a total of 46 of the original 53 stick figures from the mural were found to be held by the Lamberty Art Gallery in London. A statement on Lamberty’s website read that ‘Lamberty is a primary dealer of Stik’s work’ and that the gallery had a ‘close working relationship with the artist. All of Stik’s street works that have come into Lamberty are fully approved by the artist for sale’. Stik had permitted this statement in relation to two charity sales of street pieces made previously through the Gallery.
The next month, sixteen of the figures, cut into ten separate sections, were offered for sale by the Gallery. The sections were advertised as part of a “Stik Exhibition” and each of the pieces was offered for sale at between £10,000 and £12,000.
It was only in September that Stik learned about the whereabouts of the figures, having been tipped off by one of his clients. Stik and the other artists were incensed by the unauthorised removal and severing of the mural and by the Gallery’s subsequent attempt to profit from the sale of the unlicensed segments of the work. Stik objected to his name being used in connection with the removal of the mural, requesting that the statement on the website be taken down and that the mural be returned to Gdansk. Stik has since issued a public statement condemning the removal and the sale of the mural.
collage of all pieces A collage of the dismembered mural pieces being held by the Lamberty Gallery in 2015 (photographs presumably taken by Lamberty)
One of the Polish artists who worked on the project, known as “Miss Take”, has written an open letter to the Gallery’s owner, Andrew Lamberty, expressing her outrage at the situation. For its part, Laznia has issued a statement explaining that it was unaware of the removals and that it has informed the relevant authorities of the situation. It has also asked the Gallery for the return of the murals.
While the Lamberty Gallery agreed to alter the statement on its website, it has refused to return the mural. The Gallery released a separate statement about the dispute, claiming to have negotiated the purchase of the artwork in 2014 through a Polish agent who had dealt directly with the owner of the containers in Gdansk and orchestrated the removal from the street. The Polish news site TVP reports that the containers belonged to a man named Bogdan Iwaniak who sold them to the agent for the equivalent of USD 4,600.
In fact, Stik has suggested that this amount is roughly the price of two new shipping containers, making it unlikely that these were sold as artworks, adding that the appearance of an apparent endorsement on the Gallery’s website could have given the impression that the Gallery was acting on Stik’s behalf. Stik has also expressed surprise that during the year in which Lamberty was in possession of the figures, Lamberty never brought his acquisition to Stik’s attention, despite the fact that the two parties had had several other direct transactions during that time.
The Gallery has offered to return the mural figures that had been co-created with the local artists (while keeping the works created solely by Stik), in exchange for Stik’s authentication of those works that the Gallery keeps. Stik has rejected this proposal and continues to refuse to authenticate any of the Gdansk mural pieces in the Gallery on the grounds that the pieces have been cut up without his approval, the money is not going to the local community and the removal is being investigated by the authorities in Poland.
Lamberty has also threatened Laznia with legal action, accusing the community arts centre of libel and damage to reputation for reporting the situation to the authorities and to the press.
Three pieces of the mural have since been photographed in London’s Bankrobber Gallery. Meanwhile, Stik has offered to return to Gdansk to help reassemble and renovate the mural once it is returned to the city.
IMG_6590 Three of the pieces from the Stik mural at the Bankrobber Gallery in London in late 2015 (c/o Stik)
It is clear from the facts that the artists have a strong moral claim to demand the return. Legally, however, there may be an initial stumbling block. There was no written agreement in place with the owner of the containers when the project commenced. While the owner had supposedly allowed the painting of the mural, there is no suggestion that he had been contractually forbidden from selling any part of his property. As such, from a physical property-based perspective, title to the containers (though not necessarily to the artworks themselves) could have, in theory, passed to the end purchaser, Lamberty.
But the situation is different regarding the intellectual property rights. Stik and the local artists are the indisputable ‘authors’ of the work and would therefore benefit from the moral rights associated with the work as a whole. Under UK law, moral rights include the right to object to derogatory treatment, which is any treatment that mutilates or distorts a work or that is otherwise prejudicial to the authors’ honour or reputation. The splitting up of a continuous frieze into makeshift panels is an obvious example of both distortion and mutilation. This is especially so when the hands of certain figures, intended as symbols of solidarity, have been cut apart.
The treatment is also a direct attack on Stik’s reputation. He is an artist known for his support of local communities and his refusal to authorise or personally accept proceeds from the sale of works intended for charity. The statement on Lamberty’s website that ‘all of Stik’s street works that come into Lamberty are fully approved by the artist for sale’ created the illusion that the artist was complicit in the removal, and the subsequent offering for sale, of the mural. As a result, Stik’s reputation has been seriously undermined.
In France, where moral rights reign supreme, an artist who had decorated a fridge in his idiosyncratic style was able to assert those rights after it had been subsequently taken apart and sold as separate parts (a door, a top, a side, etc.). While the UK has had a lukewarm relationship with moral rights since their introduction into British law in 1989, there is a good chance that the activities undertaken by the Lamberty Gallery in this particular case are the type of actions intended to be covered by the moral rights regime. But whether such an argument will go all the way to court is another matter entirely.
Nevertheless, we will keep an eye on the situation and will report on any new developments in the brewing dispute. Watch this space.
stik impression of what reinstated mural might look like crop Stik’s rendering of what the reinstated mural at the Laznia Centre in Gdansk could look like (© Stik)
The author would like to thank Stik for giving a fascinating presentation on this dispute at the IAL study forum of 28 November 2015 in London, for providing additional information used in the preparation of this blog post and for providing the photographs used in the piece. All photographs c/o Stik can be licensed CC BY-SA-ND-NC, but note the possibility that other copyright holders may need to be contacted.
www.ial.uk.com/news/street-artist-and-community-fight-for-dismembered-mural/British street artist “Stik”, known for painting giant stick-figure images on buildings around the world has become involved in a campaign to restitute a mural he helped create in the city of Gdansk, Poland in 2011. The mural, which features a series of 53 stick figures holding hands in celebration of the local community, was painted onto two large metal shipping containers in Gdansk’s Lower Town. It was commissioned by the Laznia Centre for Contemporary Art as part of a festival of British culture funded by the city and the British Council and involved a group of young artists from the community who contributed to the creation of the work. The work stretched 150 feet along the sides of the containers, which were said to be owned by a school in Gdansk and used to store canoes for a local sporting club. It was understood by Stik and the others involved that the school had consented to the use of the containers for the project, which was part of a general regeneration of this deprived and neglected part of the city. Stik and Laznia entered into a contract by which Stik gave a limited licence to Laznia to make use of the work for educational and promotional purposes only. workshop 3 Stik with the local artists in front of their mural in Gdansk in 2011 (c/o Stik) Unbeknownst to Stik, Laznia or the local artists, the containers and the mural painted on them were removed in 2014. In September 2015 a total of 46 of the original 53 stick figures from the mural were found to be held by the Lamberty Art Gallery in London. A statement on Lamberty’s website read that ‘Lamberty is a primary dealer of Stik’s work’ and that the gallery had a ‘close working relationship with the artist. All of Stik’s street works that have come into Lamberty are fully approved by the artist for sale’. Stik had permitted this statement in relation to two charity sales of street pieces made previously through the Gallery. The next month, sixteen of the figures, cut into ten separate sections, were offered for sale by the Gallery. The sections were advertised as part of a “Stik Exhibition” and each of the pieces was offered for sale at between £10,000 and £12,000. It was only in September that Stik learned about the whereabouts of the figures, having been tipped off by one of his clients. Stik and the other artists were incensed by the unauthorised removal and severing of the mural and by the Gallery’s subsequent attempt to profit from the sale of the unlicensed segments of the work. Stik objected to his name being used in connection with the removal of the mural, requesting that the statement on the website be taken down and that the mural be returned to Gdansk. Stik has since issued a public statement condemning the removal and the sale of the mural. collage of all pieces A collage of the dismembered mural pieces being held by the Lamberty Gallery in 2015 (photographs presumably taken by Lamberty) One of the Polish artists who worked on the project, known as “Miss Take”, has written an open letter to the Gallery’s owner, Andrew Lamberty, expressing her outrage at the situation. For its part, Laznia has issued a statement explaining that it was unaware of the removals and that it has informed the relevant authorities of the situation. It has also asked the Gallery for the return of the murals. While the Lamberty Gallery agreed to alter the statement on its website, it has refused to return the mural. The Gallery released a separate statement about the dispute, claiming to have negotiated the purchase of the artwork in 2014 through a Polish agent who had dealt directly with the owner of the containers in Gdansk and orchestrated the removal from the street. The Polish news site TVP reports that the containers belonged to a man named Bogdan Iwaniak who sold them to the agent for the equivalent of USD 4,600. In fact, Stik has suggested that this amount is roughly the price of two new shipping containers, making it unlikely that these were sold as artworks, adding that the appearance of an apparent endorsement on the Gallery’s website could have given the impression that the Gallery was acting on Stik’s behalf. Stik has also expressed surprise that during the year in which Lamberty was in possession of the figures, Lamberty never brought his acquisition to Stik’s attention, despite the fact that the two parties had had several other direct transactions during that time. The Gallery has offered to return the mural figures that had been co-created with the local artists (while keeping the works created solely by Stik), in exchange for Stik’s authentication of those works that the Gallery keeps. Stik has rejected this proposal and continues to refuse to authenticate any of the Gdansk mural pieces in the Gallery on the grounds that the pieces have been cut up without his approval, the money is not going to the local community and the removal is being investigated by the authorities in Poland. Lamberty has also threatened Laznia with legal action, accusing the community arts centre of libel and damage to reputation for reporting the situation to the authorities and to the press. Three pieces of the mural have since been photographed in London’s Bankrobber Gallery. Meanwhile, Stik has offered to return to Gdansk to help reassemble and renovate the mural once it is returned to the city. IMG_6590 Three of the pieces from the Stik mural at the Bankrobber Gallery in London in late 2015 (c/o Stik) It is clear from the facts that the artists have a strong moral claim to demand the return. Legally, however, there may be an initial stumbling block. There was no written agreement in place with the owner of the containers when the project commenced. While the owner had supposedly allowed the painting of the mural, there is no suggestion that he had been contractually forbidden from selling any part of his property. As such, from a physical property-based perspective, title to the containers (though not necessarily to the artworks themselves) could have, in theory, passed to the end purchaser, Lamberty. But the situation is different regarding the intellectual property rights. Stik and the local artists are the indisputable ‘authors’ of the work and would therefore benefit from the moral rights associated with the work as a whole. Under UK law, moral rights include the right to object to derogatory treatment, which is any treatment that mutilates or distorts a work or that is otherwise prejudicial to the authors’ honour or reputation. The splitting up of a continuous frieze into makeshift panels is an obvious example of both distortion and mutilation. This is especially so when the hands of certain figures, intended as symbols of solidarity, have been cut apart. The treatment is also a direct attack on Stik’s reputation. He is an artist known for his support of local communities and his refusal to authorise or personally accept proceeds from the sale of works intended for charity. The statement on Lamberty’s website that ‘all of Stik’s street works that come into Lamberty are fully approved by the artist for sale’ created the illusion that the artist was complicit in the removal, and the subsequent offering for sale, of the mural. As a result, Stik’s reputation has been seriously undermined. In France, where moral rights reign supreme, an artist who had decorated a fridge in his idiosyncratic style was able to assert those rights after it had been subsequently taken apart and sold as separate parts (a door, a top, a side, etc.). While the UK has had a lukewarm relationship with moral rights since their introduction into British law in 1989, there is a good chance that the activities undertaken by the Lamberty Gallery in this particular case are the type of actions intended to be covered by the moral rights regime. But whether such an argument will go all the way to court is another matter entirely. Nevertheless, we will keep an eye on the situation and will report on any new developments in the brewing dispute. Watch this space. stik impression of what reinstated mural might look like crop Stik’s rendering of what the reinstated mural at the Laznia Centre in Gdansk could look like (© Stik) The author would like to thank Stik for giving a fascinating presentation on this dispute at the IAL study forum of 28 November 2015 in London, for providing additional information used in the preparation of this blog post and for providing the photographs used in the piece. All photographs c/o Stik can be licensed CC BY-SA-ND-NC, but note the possibility that other copyright holders may need to be contacted.
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**Waste of Time**, by tartarus on Dec 15, 2015 17:15:26 GMT 1, Its all a little too serious on here no? Chill out people, relax Ommmmmmmmmmmmm £3750 last offer but the tree is off the table It was never going to stay on the table with no legs!
Its all a little too serious on here no? Chill out people, relax Ommmmmmmmmmmmm £3750 last offer but the tree is off the table It was never going to stay on the table with no legs!
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Joining the queue for STIK, by tartarus on Dec 15, 2015 15:28:48 GMT 1, But this one has been progressing a treat with what he does for years. With the interest growing all the time, and without flooding the market, just becos the interest is there.
That last bit is very very different to the rolled on through and rolled on by brigade.
But this one has been progressing a treat with what he does for years. With the interest growing all the time, and without flooding the market, just becos the interest is there.
That last bit is very very different to the rolled on through and rolled on by brigade.
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**Waste of Time**, by tartarus on Dec 15, 2015 10:54:05 GMT 1, 2 galleries looking £6700 and £5950 for unsigned Placard Rats each...my price was £3500 each...almost half price..yet still some idiots think i will give them away for £1500 each...!In answer rebelate...images were sent to all interested parties. Im done with this ....move on ehh?? i am Didn't check the prints, check
Is a gallery and intentionally avoiding the rule of no gallery sales on here, check
Is now also calling the people here idiots, check.
yep definitly a pro!
2 galleries looking £6700 and £5950 for unsigned Placard Rats each...my price was £3500 each...almost half price..yet still some idiots think i will give them away for £1500 each...!In answer rebelate...images were sent to all interested parties. Im done with this ....move on ehh?? i am Didn't check the prints, check Is a gallery and intentionally avoiding the rule of no gallery sales on here, check Is now also calling the people here idiots, check. yep definitly a pro!
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by tartarus on Dec 14, 2015 23:45:12 GMT 1, Seriously though, even if your not a fan. You have to feel sorry for the little guys stuck in such unsavoury places!
Seriously though, even if your not a fan. You have to feel sorry for the little guys stuck in such unsavoury places!
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Visit LONDON 🏴 Street Art, Galleries, Events, by tartarus on Dec 13, 2015 20:40:57 GMT 1, Huge piece from Cityzenkane for the Fresh Exhibition in the Leake Street tunnel.
The 66 Labour warmongers
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by tartarus on Dec 2, 2015 2:23:27 GMT 1, Been a long time since I posted anything here. Blimey! Thats a bit special! congratulations on that.
Been a long time since I posted anything here. Blimey! Thats a bit special! congratulations on that.
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Stik on a BBC live lesson thingy. Painting to music., by tartarus on Nov 28, 2015 11:45:34 GMT 1, I would love to see that, but i'm told to download some bbc app, stuff-stuff..and'ah..time for coffee and a cig
Sorry Nordic, I should have said UK only apparently.
I would love to see that, but i'm told to download some bbc app, stuff-stuff..and'ah..time for coffee and a cig Sorry Nordic, I should have said UK only apparently.
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We got ourselves a new Daddy !!, by tartarus on Nov 27, 2015 0:54:28 GMT 1, Congratulations Mr and Mrs Crayon. 3 lives changed all at once!
Nicest thing I've heard in days. (i should maybe switch off RT news though)
Congratulations Mr and Mrs Crayon. 3 lives changed all at once!
Nicest thing I've heard in days. (i should maybe switch off RT news though)
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Stik Single Mum, by tartarus on Nov 26, 2015 12:51:50 GMT 1, Hesitating.. What means " cash my way" It means he wants your single mum and some of your money as well Roy.
Hesitating.. What means " cash my way" It means he wants your single mum and some of your money as well Roy.
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Dface... urgent ; ), by tartarus on Nov 22, 2015 10:56:26 GMT 1, Ah i see! Didn't notice the full stop! Thought he had removed otto's post.
Ah i see! Didn't notice the full stop! Thought he had removed otto's post.
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Dface... urgent ; ), by tartarus on Nov 22, 2015 10:50:58 GMT 1, ---------Guardian Edit------- Deleted post per forum rules. Please pm myself or any other Guardian for further discussion. Ottomatik71 Thats kinda confusing! your not a guardian!
---------Guardian Edit------- Deleted post per forum rules. Please pm myself or any other Guardian for further discussion. Ottomatik71 Thats kinda confusing! your not a guardian!
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PENNY SMASH & GRAB, by tartarus on Nov 18, 2015 21:58:25 GMT 1, God dam it! Id love it, but now is crap timing!
God dam it! Id love it, but now is crap timing!
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How to create a For Sale Thread, by tartarus on Nov 17, 2015 13:03:56 GMT 1, You can't until you have 50 posts.
You can't until you have 50 posts.
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Stik , by tartarus on Nov 14, 2015 18:46:49 GMT 1, tartaruswhat kind of medium is it ?! plastic ? anyway...its cool !! :-)
It's on a sky satalite dish. Sort of thin metal.
tartaruswhat kind of medium is it ?! plastic ? anyway...its cool !! :-) It's on a sky satalite dish. Sort of thin metal.
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Stik , by tartarus on Nov 14, 2015 17:42:16 GMT 1, is there any original "baby" canvas around ?! price ?
Not a canvas and not for sale but here's one.
is there any original "baby" canvas around ?! price ? Not a canvas and not for sale but here's one.
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#Peace For Paris , by tartarus on Nov 14, 2015 2:24:22 GMT 1, Changed there minds again. Seems most of the camp in Calais has been burned down.
Changed there minds again. Seems most of the camp in Calais has been burned down.
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#Peace For Paris , by tartarus on Nov 14, 2015 1:22:11 GMT 1, The Jungle in Calais has now also been set on fire. Don't even know what direction my mind wants to take that, but this is truly f**ked up right now.
Edit: news just changed there minds and apparently thats not true.
The Jungle in Calais has now also been set on fire. Don't even know what direction my mind wants to take that, but this is truly f**ked up right now.
Edit: news just changed there minds and apparently thats not true.
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#Peace For Paris , by tartarus on Nov 13, 2015 23:14:14 GMT 1, Just watching it and posted the same! Such an unbelievable thing to be seeing, and i just can't believe what this world is all about any more!
Just watching it and posted the same! Such an unbelievable thing to be seeing, and i just can't believe what this world is all about any more!
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Mass attacks in Paris. Stay indoors if your there! , by tartarus on Nov 13, 2015 23:12:42 GMT 1, It seems again we are enveloped by carnage. Hope everyone over there is safe and stay that way!!
26 dead and 60 hostages in a theatre according to the news. . Also grenade attacks around paris.
Very sad days we live in.
It seems again we are enveloped by carnage. Hope everyone over there is safe and stay that way!!
26 dead and 60 hostages in a theatre according to the news. . Also grenade attacks around paris.
Very sad days we live in.
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*Please HELP*- Robbed by Banksy seller-Barcode, by tartarus on Nov 12, 2015 14:23:05 GMT 1, Hope you get this sorted out! Seems he has left you pretty solid trail there as long as he didn't just pump you his mates info.
This was the first thing to come to mind!!
Hope you get this sorted out! Seems he has left you pretty solid trail there as long as he didn't just pump you his mates info.
This was the first thing to come to mind!!
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tartarus
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February 2013
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STIK Charity Auction - Refugee Crisis Appeal , by tartarus on Nov 11, 2015 11:07:59 GMT 1, Mmm Tried to post the link but it gets automatically removed It's the other forum similar to this one just type "not" in front of this forum name I find it really weird how that site promotes it itself, there really is no need. You don't see members from here going there promoting the UAA. People know its there and it wreaks of desperation why a few are hellbent on ramming it down others throats. Both places exist quite happily side by side. The reason why the name is banned is because of this very reason, constant promotion. I will hold comment on the charity auction intentions. I mentioned it along time ago and someone said the same thing yesterday. What a load of crap! This place gets mentioned plenty over there. Just don't have anyone there that gives a toss!!
Mmm Tried to post the link but it gets automatically removed It's the other forum similar to this one just type "not" in front of this forum name I find it really weird how that site promotes it itself, there really is no need. You don't see members from here going there promoting the UAA. People know its there and it wreaks of desperation why a few are hellbent on ramming it down others throats. Both places exist quite happily side by side. The reason why the name is banned is because of this very reason, constant promotion. I will hold comment on the charity auction intentions. I mentioned it along time ago and someone said the same thing yesterday. What a load of crap! This place gets mentioned plenty over there. Just don't have anyone there that gives a toss!!
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