BROOKLYNITE
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by BROOKLYNITE on Nov 3, 2012 22:33:24 GMT 1,
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by Coach on Nov 4, 2012 0:09:14 GMT 1, Really interesting vid Rae. Thanks for posting.
I don't think us Brits can get on any high horse about people not voting. Happens here too.
I do fear for a republican win tho. The impression I get is that that would not be great for the US or for the rest of us.
I do find it hard to comprehend the antagonism towards a health service. We are blessed here to have the nhs. Provided the Tories don't fuck it up.
The other thing that continues to surprise me is the US love of its flag. Look at that beautiful building smothered by a huge flag.
I get the impression that the flag is everywhere in the US. That doesn't happen in the uk. It seems to me to suggest a rather insular attitude. That only the US matters. Not sue it's that healthy.
No disrespect intended. Just a few thoughts out loud.
Hope Obama wins. I really do.
Really interesting vid Rae. Thanks for posting.
I don't think us Brits can get on any high horse about people not voting. Happens here too.
I do fear for a republican win tho. The impression I get is that that would not be great for the US or for the rest of us.
I do find it hard to comprehend the antagonism towards a health service. We are blessed here to have the nhs. Provided the Tories don't fuck it up.
The other thing that continues to surprise me is the US love of its flag. Look at that beautiful building smothered by a huge flag.
I get the impression that the flag is everywhere in the US. That doesn't happen in the uk. It seems to me to suggest a rather insular attitude. That only the US matters. Not sue it's that healthy.
No disrespect intended. Just a few thoughts out loud.
Hope Obama wins. I really do.
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pcant
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by pcant on Nov 4, 2012 6:29:33 GMT 1, My 2 cents: It's not everyone, coach, but yes, there is a tendency for some to think the US is always right, always awesome and always better than everyone else, if they even get around to thinking about everyone else. Not sure if you're familiar with Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear, but when he goes off on his "we do it this way here in Britain so that's the only correct way to do it" nonsense, it's kind of the same for some here in the states, but with more flags. But, to be sure, it's not everyone. If it was everyone, the elections (this one coming up and the last one, plus the two Bush elections before) wouldn't have been as close.
My 2 cents: It's not everyone, coach, but yes, there is a tendency for some to think the US is always right, always awesome and always better than everyone else, if they even get around to thinking about everyone else. Not sure if you're familiar with Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear, but when he goes off on his "we do it this way here in Britain so that's the only correct way to do it" nonsense, it's kind of the same for some here in the states, but with more flags. But, to be sure, it's not everyone. If it was everyone, the elections (this one coming up and the last one, plus the two Bush elections before) wouldn't have been as close.
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pcant
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by pcant on Nov 4, 2012 20:38:37 GMT 1, To the anonymous negger: Just curious, are you more upset about me mildly taking a shot at Clarkson or are you a Romney supporter? Realizing I've broken the cardinal rule (Don't talk about fight club) and if the karma system went away most of us would be happier, but this wasn't even pointing out you were trying to rip someone off on eBay by selling something for a ridiculous amount of money. Or are you just irate at the idea that not all Americans are cowboy hat-wearing rednecks? I know, of course, you don't have the stones to actually respond, but this one really does confuse, sorry.
To the anonymous negger: Just curious, are you more upset about me mildly taking a shot at Clarkson or are you a Romney supporter? Realizing I've broken the cardinal rule (Don't talk about fight club) and if the karma system went away most of us would be happier, but this wasn't even pointing out you were trying to rip someone off on eBay by selling something for a ridiculous amount of money. Or are you just irate at the idea that not all Americans are cowboy hat-wearing rednecks? I know, of course, you don't have the stones to actually respond, but this one really does confuse, sorry.
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by Deleted on Nov 4, 2012 21:23:33 GMT 1, I have spent alot of time in America on the East and West Coast along with many places in the bible belt. America is a country like no other. In my view most Americans that care vote and have an opinion on politics. What Obama did was bring people out from the lowest social background who may have not thought voting was providing them with anything. There are so many people in America who live in poverty that some of us would not believe. Healthcare cost is astronomical and stories I have heard from people who have spent a coupe of days in hospital for minor treatment is at first unbelievable. I am a Conservative who believes in the NHS, which may sound unbelievable to some Labour supporters. As a business owner who supplies the NHS you would simply not understand the waste that will continue for years without a substantial change of operating policy. Obama was right to try and change the healthcare policy in America but did not understand the feeling of middle class americans who would have to fund this. Obama got elected with the great promise of change. Seems to me that word played more of a part in his election than anything else. I hope the people who came out to vote for him that hadn't voted before make the trip to the polling station again. Only that way can you have an opinion on the politics on your country is if you stand up and are counted. I will be watching the election with great interest and hope that if the Mitt gets in he doesn't forget the poor of the country. Take a trip to the devastion caused by Katrina and see the forgotten Americans there.
I have spent alot of time in America on the East and West Coast along with many places in the bible belt. America is a country like no other. In my view most Americans that care vote and have an opinion on politics. What Obama did was bring people out from the lowest social background who may have not thought voting was providing them with anything. There are so many people in America who live in poverty that some of us would not believe. Healthcare cost is astronomical and stories I have heard from people who have spent a coupe of days in hospital for minor treatment is at first unbelievable. I am a Conservative who believes in the NHS, which may sound unbelievable to some Labour supporters. As a business owner who supplies the NHS you would simply not understand the waste that will continue for years without a substantial change of operating policy. Obama was right to try and change the healthcare policy in America but did not understand the feeling of middle class americans who would have to fund this. Obama got elected with the great promise of change. Seems to me that word played more of a part in his election than anything else. I hope the people who came out to vote for him that hadn't voted before make the trip to the polling station again. Only that way can you have an opinion on the politics on your country is if you stand up and are counted. I will be watching the election with great interest and hope that if the Mitt gets in he doesn't forget the poor of the country. Take a trip to the devastion caused by Katrina and see the forgotten Americans there.
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Stoko
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by Stoko on Nov 4, 2012 21:24:31 GMT 1, Good article in the Independent today that basically said Obama has absolutely no ideas. But if Romney gets in the States will be bankrupt within 2 years.
Nowt like a cheery sunday...
Good article in the Independent today that basically said Obama has absolutely no ideas. But if Romney gets in the States will be bankrupt within 2 years.
Nowt like a cheery sunday...
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by Deleted on Nov 4, 2012 21:28:46 GMT 1, To the anonymous negger: Just curious, are you more upset about me mildly taking a shot at Clarkson
Take as many shots as you want at Clarkson, the guy's an idiot. And don't get me started on that c*** Hammond.
To the anonymous negger: Just curious, are you more upset about me mildly taking a shot at Clarkson Take as many shots as you want at Clarkson, the guy's an idiot. And don't get me started on that c*** Hammond. |
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by kevkevkev on Nov 4, 2012 21:52:12 GMT 1, question. why is the total votes not what decides the election?
question. why is the total votes not what decides the election?
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pcant
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by pcant on Nov 5, 2012 0:00:41 GMT 1, To the anonymous negger: Just curious, are you more upset about me mildly taking a shot at Clarkson Take as many shots as you want at Clarkson, the guy's an idiot. And don't get me started on that c*** Hammond.
+1
To the anonymous negger: Just curious, are you more upset about me mildly taking a shot at Clarkson Take as many shots as you want at Clarkson, the guy's an idiot. And don't get me started on that c*** Hammond. +1 |
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pcant
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by pcant on Nov 5, 2012 0:08:20 GMT 1, question. why is the total votes not what decides the election?
The "popular vote" would, the theory goes, give too much power to densely populated areas (largely the big cities and coastal areas), while not allowing areas like the midwest to have as much of a say. If the midwest wasn't a factor, then politicians would just ignore it completely. At least that seems to be the reasoning.
The electoral college system is essentially an attempt to allow smaller-population areas to have a somewhat equal say in the national elections.
question. why is the total votes not what decides the election? The "popular vote" would, the theory goes, give too much power to densely populated areas (largely the big cities and coastal areas), while not allowing areas like the midwest to have as much of a say. If the midwest wasn't a factor, then politicians would just ignore it completely. At least that seems to be the reasoning. The electoral college system is essentially an attempt to allow smaller-population areas to have a somewhat equal say in the national elections. |
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by searchandrescue on Nov 5, 2012 9:41:43 GMT 1, I understand there is some controversy over who owns electronic vote count machinery also? Sure there have been problems with this in the past, perhaps Florida?
I understand there is some controversy over who owns electronic vote count machinery also? Sure there have been problems with this in the past, perhaps Florida?
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pcant
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by pcant on Nov 5, 2012 16:36:39 GMT 1, Apparently Mitt Romney's son Tagg owns part of a company that controls voting machines in several counties in Ohio, which is likely to be a key "swing state" in the election tomorrow. There are a lot of things wrong with voting in the U.S., and electronic voting machines are one of them. The Florida debacle from 2000 that gave the U.S. George W. Bush was actually two-fold: The design of the ballot confused a lot of old people and they ended up voting for Pat Buchanan in large numbers. Buchanan is largely considered a bit of a racist and anti-Semite, so it's surprising in Florida (which has a large Jewish population). The second angle in Florida was the "hanging chads" thing which resulted in lots of pictures of people looking closely at lots of pieces of paper to see if the hole had been punched out properly and trying to "guess" which candidate the voter chose, all while lawyers were watching and filing more injunctions and lawsuits. That's how it got all the way to the Supreme Court (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore)
It is astounding, in my opinion, that we even allow private companies to have any hand in the election process, but beyond that, each county in each state can, by law, contract with ANY private company for their election machines, so there is no consistent standard across each state, much less the country.
Apparently Mitt Romney's son Tagg owns part of a company that controls voting machines in several counties in Ohio, which is likely to be a key "swing state" in the election tomorrow. There are a lot of things wrong with voting in the U.S., and electronic voting machines are one of them. The Florida debacle from 2000 that gave the U.S. George W. Bush was actually two-fold: The design of the ballot confused a lot of old people and they ended up voting for Pat Buchanan in large numbers. Buchanan is largely considered a bit of a racist and anti-Semite, so it's surprising in Florida (which has a large Jewish population). The second angle in Florida was the "hanging chads" thing which resulted in lots of pictures of people looking closely at lots of pieces of paper to see if the hole had been punched out properly and trying to "guess" which candidate the voter chose, all while lawyers were watching and filing more injunctions and lawsuits. That's how it got all the way to the Supreme Court (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore)
It is astounding, in my opinion, that we even allow private companies to have any hand in the election process, but beyond that, each county in each state can, by law, contract with ANY private company for their election machines, so there is no consistent standard across each state, much less the country.
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love
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by love on Nov 5, 2012 16:44:12 GMT 1, A good read and thanks for a inside view of this election. But PLEASE, pcant, please change your laws to vote during late night, so i could watch the US election during day.
Hard for me to stay up the whole night till 4-5 am.
Thank you in supporting me for a better US election experience in Europe.
And sorry for my bad english  , hope you'll get it.
A good read and thanks for a inside view of this election. But PLEASE, pcant, please change your laws to vote during late night, so i could watch the US election during day. Hard for me to stay up the whole night till 4-5 am. Thank you in supporting me for a better US election experience in Europe. And sorry for my bad english , hope you'll get it. |
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pcant
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by pcant on Nov 5, 2012 16:47:28 GMT 1, I'll get right on that. I'd like a little better hours for UK print releases in return, seems only fair...
I'll get right on that. I'd like a little better hours for UK print releases in return, seems only fair...
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love
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by love on Nov 5, 2012 16:52:35 GMT 1, I'll get right on that. I'd like a little better hours for UK print releases in return, seems only fair...
Talking to Banksy right now...
I'll get right on that. I'd like a little better hours for UK print releases in return, seems only fair... Talking to Banksy right now... |
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klyde
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by klyde on Nov 5, 2012 17:08:39 GMT 1, If I had a vote I would vote for Obama,
Always found the opposition to his healthcare reform quite staggering.
We are so lucky to have the NHS.
Hopefully he can push on with it during a 2nd term.
If I had a vote I would vote for Obama,
Always found the opposition to his healthcare reform quite staggering.
We are so lucky to have the NHS.
Hopefully he can push on with it during a 2nd term.
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by searchandrescue on Nov 5, 2012 18:01:22 GMT 1, thanks pcant, suspected as much. Won't be long till we have same system in UK is my guess. We've privatised almost everything else why not voting??!!!
thanks pcant, suspected as much. Won't be long till we have same system in UK is my guess. We've privatised almost everything else why not voting??!!!
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illu
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by illu on Nov 5, 2012 21:15:04 GMT 1, is there something to vote?
is there something to vote?
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BROOKLYNITE
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by BROOKLYNITE on Nov 6, 2012 18:11:29 GMT 1, Long voting lines today in NYC despite all the people that still are without power and some even without a home. Now it all comes down to states like OHIO, VIRGINA, FLORIDA and PENNSYLVANIA now.
Long voting lines today in NYC despite all the people that still are without power and some even without a home. Now it all comes down to states like OHIO, VIRGINA, FLORIDA and PENNSYLVANIA now.
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love
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by love on Nov 6, 2012 18:27:01 GMT 1, German television starts at 10:30 pm till 6am... This will be short night, need some sleep, NOW!
German television starts at 10:30 pm till 6am... This will be short night, need some sleep, NOW!
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by searchandrescue on Nov 7, 2012 8:59:18 GMT 1, "O say can you see......!!!!!!!
"O say can you see......!!!!!!!
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by Coach on Nov 7, 2012 9:27:21 GMT 1, Phew!
Phew!
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Ottomatik
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by Ottomatik on Nov 8, 2012 1:40:22 GMT 1, Yes We Did! (vote, that is.)
Yes We Did! (vote, that is.) |
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AMERICANS - DO THEY VOTE?, by chyren on Nov 8, 2012 8:29:32 GMT 1, If I had a vote I would vote for Obama, Always found the opposition to his healthcare reform quite staggering. We are so lucky to have the NHS.
Yes we are
My payslips remind me how lucky some in this country are .. ::
Surprisingly
It s not me or you.. 
If I had a vote I would vote for Obama, Always found the opposition to his healthcare reform quite staggering. We are so lucky to have the NHS. Yes we are My payslips remind me how lucky some in this country are .. :: Surprisingly It s not me or you.. |
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