redfred
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by redfred on Feb 28, 2012 15:42:11 GMT 1, POW monitor this forum, particularly before a Banksy release, they are as lost as we are to make things fair, POW do not want another public relations nightmare like last year, so if you all put your wealth of experience and brainpower together we may just come up with a half decent idea. At least its better than all the wingeing that went on after the last que!
How about " You are only eligible to take part in the Banksy release if you have bought at least 2 prints from POW in the last year" Rules me out straight away!!!
POW monitor this forum, particularly before a Banksy release, they are as lost as we are to make things fair, POW do not want another public relations nightmare like last year, so if you all put your wealth of experience and brainpower together we may just come up with a half decent idea. At least its better than all the wingeing that went on after the last que!
How about " You are only eligible to take part in the Banksy release if you have bought at least 2 prints from POW in the last year" Rules me out straight away!!!
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Happy Shopper on Feb 28, 2012 15:51:21 GMT 1, Not sure a POW loyalty scheme would stop the flippers... they're the ones buying most prints throughout the year ! 
Best system would probably be an email raffle, like previously. Or a purchased ticket raffle like Very Little Helps. (which could also me done online!)
Not sure a POW loyalty scheme would stop the flippers... they're the ones buying most prints throughout the year ! Best system would probably be an email raffle, like previously. Or a purchased ticket raffle like Very Little Helps. (which could also me done online!) |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by love on Feb 28, 2012 15:57:43 GMT 1, The new Banksy show will be a stunner, and the prints will be released at this awesome show. Some Birds told me that this won't be on the island.
The new Banksy show will be a stunner, and the prints will be released at this awesome show. Some Birds told me that this won't be on the island.
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Forbidden Love on Feb 28, 2012 15:58:00 GMT 1, break the edition in to 3.
queue + instore raffle (tickets for sale to raise for charity) + online lottery for international.
cant get much fairer then that?
break the edition in to 3.
queue + instore raffle (tickets for sale to raise for charity) + online lottery for international.
cant get much fairer then that?
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by redfred on Feb 28, 2012 15:58:51 GMT 1, If its only the flippers that have been buying the crap that POW have sold this year then they deserve the Banksy!!!
If its only the flippers that have been buying the crap that POW have sold this year then they deserve the Banksy!!!
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by leumasdarnley on Feb 28, 2012 16:07:01 GMT 1, If its only the flippers that have been buying the crap that POW have sold this year then they deserve the Banksy!!!
Finally the truth ;D
disclaimer: If it helps me get the next Banksy I love POW
If its only the flippers that have been buying the crap that POW have sold this year then they deserve the Banksy!!! Finally the truth ;D disclaimer: If it helps me get the next Banksy I love POW |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Hubble Bubble on Feb 28, 2012 16:36:55 GMT 1, How about a raffle where each ticket costs half the price of the print, say ยฃ 250, non-refundable. Everyone buying a ticket goes into said raffle. All raffle proceeds go to a charity selected by The Big B himself... say, Royal Bristol Children's Hospital Specialist Eye Unit (or similar).
If you're selected from the raffle you then pay the FULL ยฃ 500 for the print, meaning everybody contributes the same amount to the charity. Winners have got a Banksy print for ยฃ750 outlay, losers (who can obviously afford ยฃ750 or they wouldn't have entered the raffle - unless, of course, they were flippers in which case tough) have forked out ยฃ250 by way of giving something back to someone who's art they've loved (and admittedly paid for) over the years.
There will also, of course, be a comprehensive email list of those who didn't win and it might not be unthinkable that some unsigned but limited edition print might be made in recognition of their donation... a 'petrol bomb' type of affair, in which case it would be unflippable (as you've already paid ยฃ250 for it) but a ltd ed Banksy to put up on your wall.
Just a thought from Hubblebubble Towers. 
HB
How about a raffle where each ticket costs half the price of the print, say ยฃ 250, non-refundable. Everyone buying a ticket goes into said raffle. All raffle proceeds go to a charity selected by The Big B himself... say, Royal Bristol Children's Hospital Specialist Eye Unit (or similar). If you're selected from the raffle you then pay the FULL ยฃ 500 for the print, meaning everybody contributes the same amount to the charity. Winners have got a Banksy print for ยฃ750 outlay, losers (who can obviously afford ยฃ750 or they wouldn't have entered the raffle - unless, of course, they were flippers in which case tough) have forked out ยฃ250 by way of giving something back to someone who's art they've loved (and admittedly paid for) over the years. There will also, of course, be a comprehensive email list of those who didn't win and it might not be unthinkable that some unsigned but limited edition print might be made in recognition of their donation... a 'petrol bomb' type of affair, in which case it would be unflippable (as you've already paid ยฃ250 for it) but a ltd ed Banksy to put up on your wall. Just a thought from Hubblebubble Towers. HB |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by redfred on Feb 28, 2012 16:42:23 GMT 1, Good idea' but then this year I am faced with the dilemma "Do I really want a gorilla in a glittery mask to adorn my wall" Sadly No! If it had been an acceptable image then I would have gladly gone along with it.
Good idea' but then this year I am faced with the dilemma "Do I really want a gorilla in a glittery mask to adorn my wall" Sadly No! If it had been an acceptable image then I would have gladly gone along with it.
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by love on Feb 28, 2012 16:46:55 GMT 1, Redfred, you queue for me then?
Redfred, you queue for me then? |
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redfred
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by redfred on Feb 28, 2012 16:51:41 GMT 1, Redfred, you queue for me then?
For me to get to POW would cost about ยฃ200 in petrol plus all the other expences plus the queing so the answer would be NO. Thats why Hubbles idea is good for me, cost about the same, chances of winning about the same, unfortunately I dont want to win it!
Redfred, you queue for me then? For me to get to POW would cost about ยฃ200 in petrol plus all the other expences plus the queing so the answer would be NO. Thats why Hubbles idea is good for me, cost about the same, chances of winning about the same, unfortunately I dont want to win it! |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by payney on Feb 28, 2012 16:53:05 GMT 1, Redfred, you queue for me then?
Queue for what? The new Banksy show where the prints will be released at this awesome show that won't be on the island.
Redfred, you queue for me then? Queue for what? The new Banksy show where the prints will be released at this awesome show that won't be on the island. |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by klyde on Feb 28, 2012 16:55:27 GMT 1, He hasnโt done an unsigned edition for 5 years so itโs probably safe to assume this one will be signed also.
Iโm guessing 2 different colours of masks. Editions of 250. Cost ยฃ570. Email lottery like Donuts.
POW should ban anymore thatโs requested a Banksy COA for any print purchased in the last 3 years.
He hasnโt done an unsigned edition for 5 years so itโs probably safe to assume this one will be signed also. Iโm guessing 2 different colours of masks. Editions of 250. Cost ยฃ570. Email lottery like Donuts. POW should ban anymore thatโs requested a Banksy COA for any print purchased in the last 3 years. |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by bernard on Feb 28, 2012 17:09:08 GMT 1, I reckon a large percentage will have already been spoken for / put aside.
kerching.
I reckon a large percentage will have already been spoken for / put aside.
kerching.
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by gibbin82 on Feb 28, 2012 17:32:44 GMT 1, How about a raffle where each ticket costs half the price of the print, say ยฃ 250, non-refundable. Everyone buying a ticket goes into said raffle. All raffle proceeds go to a charity selected by The Big B himself... say, Royal Bristol Children's Hospital Specialist Eye Unit (or similar). If you're selected from the raffle you then pay the FULL ยฃ 500 for the print, meaning everybody contributes the same amount to the charity. Winners have got a Banksy print for ยฃ750 outlay, losers (who can obviously afford ยฃ750 or they wouldn't have entered the raffle - unless, of course, they were flippers in which case tough) have forked out ยฃ250 by way of giving something back to someone who's art they've loved (and admittedly paid for) over the years. There will also, of course, be a comprehensive email list of those who didn't win and it might not be unthinkable that some unsigned but limited edition print might be made in recognition of their donation... a 'petrol bomb' type of affair, in which case it would be unflippable (as you've already paid ยฃ250 for it) but a ltd ed Banksy to put up on your wall. Just a thought from Hubblebubble Towers. HB
I thought similar but with not costing so much for the lottery tickets, ยฃ250 is a lot of money for anyone not minted to give to Charity and I also thought the whole idea of POW selling these at normal print costs is that at least some of them will go to people who wouldn't be able to afford to buy them at the full secondary market flippers value and the right people who appreciate it as a piece of art to put on the wall rather than how much it is going to be worth on eBay or sitting in a portfolio. Also flippers are generally greedy and looking to make money, not give it away, even if it was only a fiver a ticket it would possibly deter quite a few of them if they have to put it up front with no guarantee of getting anything, unlike standing in a queue or pressing F5 when other than a little time it has cost most of them nothing before they know whether they have something to flip or not.
My thoughts below:
Although this cant happen with Banksys next print, as some others have already said, I would like to see future releases go as a lottery to people who are on the POW mailing list, however even this is not a completely fair method as I am sure there will already be quite a lot of people with multiple email address who have registered possibly dozens email address's just waiting for the lottery to happen. So to make it a bit fairer and put off the chancers, I suggest an even better way would be to: make the lottery only available to the mailing list but do it on a paid for ticket system (I suggest a fiver that would go to charity) that would cut out a lot of the chancers and also put a field on the lottery application page that asks for a postcode and house number that must match the debit/credit card or PayPal account address. The lottery applications could then be easily checked by computer to see if there were any matching postcode house numbers and anyone trying it on with multiple email address's removed from the lottery. Although it is not completely fool proof, I think the reduction in applications and the money raised for charity would make it worthwhile.
Alternatives:
1. It might be nice if artists and Galleries looked after their old customers and fans before releasing the rest of their work to the masses (Tom, Dick, Harry and Flipper), I know this does happen to some degree, but possibly not as much as it could do. I know online releases may be considered a fair method were everyone gets an equal chance, but as with the recent Phlegm and Dran releases, I am sure there were many people who have followed and supported artists "before they were famous" only too now lose out to people who are not really interested in the work at all, but what they can make out of those who are. Maybe timed mailshots with oldest customers and contacts first, offering pre-purchase of upcoming releases might be a reasonable idea. However a problem I can see with that is that it doesn't give much chance to people who are new to an artist and really taken with the work
2. I am sure Banksy is not short of a few bob now, so maybe the next print should be donated to a charity to sell as they wish to raise money for a good cause
In the end though no matter what they do to try and make things fairer, the desperate and less well intentioned will always be looking for ways to exploit any system to get an unfair advantage. I just hope a few do go to those who cherish and appreciate it
How about a raffle where each ticket costs half the price of the print, say ยฃ 250, non-refundable. Everyone buying a ticket goes into said raffle. All raffle proceeds go to a charity selected by The Big B himself... say, Royal Bristol Children's Hospital Specialist Eye Unit (or similar). If you're selected from the raffle you then pay the FULL ยฃ 500 for the print, meaning everybody contributes the same amount to the charity. Winners have got a Banksy print for ยฃ750 outlay, losers (who can obviously afford ยฃ750 or they wouldn't have entered the raffle - unless, of course, they were flippers in which case tough) have forked out ยฃ250 by way of giving something back to someone who's art they've loved (and admittedly paid for) over the years. There will also, of course, be a comprehensive email list of those who didn't win and it might not be unthinkable that some unsigned but limited edition print might be made in recognition of their donation... a 'petrol bomb' type of affair, in which case it would be unflippable (as you've already paid ยฃ250 for it) but a ltd ed Banksy to put up on your wall. Just a thought from Hubblebubble Towers. HB I thought similar but with not costing so much for the lottery tickets, ยฃ250 is a lot of money for anyone not minted to give to Charity and I also thought the whole idea of POW selling these at normal print costs is that at least some of them will go to people who wouldn't be able to afford to buy them at the full secondary market flippers value and the right people who appreciate it as a piece of art to put on the wall rather than how much it is going to be worth on eBay or sitting in a portfolio. Also flippers are generally greedy and looking to make money, not give it away, even if it was only a fiver a ticket it would possibly deter quite a few of them if they have to put it up front with no guarantee of getting anything, unlike standing in a queue or pressing F5 when other than a little time it has cost most of them nothing before they know whether they have something to flip or not. My thoughts below: Although this cant happen with Banksys next print, as some others have already said, I would like to see future releases go as a lottery to people who are on the POW mailing list, however even this is not a completely fair method as I am sure there will already be quite a lot of people with multiple email address who have registered possibly dozens email address's just waiting for the lottery to happen. So to make it a bit fairer and put off the chancers, I suggest an even better way would be to: make the lottery only available to the mailing list but do it on a paid for ticket system (I suggest a fiver that would go to charity) that would cut out a lot of the chancers and also put a field on the lottery application page that asks for a postcode and house number that must match the debit/credit card or PayPal account address. The lottery applications could then be easily checked by computer to see if there were any matching postcode house numbers and anyone trying it on with multiple email address's removed from the lottery. Although it is not completely fool proof, I think the reduction in applications and the money raised for charity would make it worthwhile. Alternatives: 1. It might be nice if artists and Galleries looked after their old customers and fans before releasing the rest of their work to the masses (Tom, Dick, Harry and Flipper), I know this does happen to some degree, but possibly not as much as it could do. I know online releases may be considered a fair method were everyone gets an equal chance, but as with the recent Phlegm and Dran releases, I am sure there were many people who have followed and supported artists "before they were famous" only too now lose out to people who are not really interested in the work at all, but what they can make out of those who are. Maybe timed mailshots with oldest customers and contacts first, offering pre-purchase of upcoming releases might be a reasonable idea. However a problem I can see with that is that it doesn't give much chance to people who are new to an artist and really taken with the work 2. I am sure Banksy is not short of a few bob now, so maybe the next print should be donated to a charity to sell as they wish to raise money for a good cause In the end though no matter what they do to try and make things fairer, the desperate and less well intentioned will always be looking for ways to exploit any system to get an unfair advantage. I just hope a few do go to those who cherish and appreciate it |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by leumasdarnley on Feb 28, 2012 17:34:39 GMT 1, I reckon a large percentage will have already been spoken for / put aside. kerching.
Not from the release edition really, plenty of A/P's secret cool guy one off colour ways. Things us mere morals shouldn't worry about.
I reckon a large percentage will have already been spoken for / put aside. kerching. Not from the release edition really, plenty of A/P's secret cool guy one off colour ways. Things us mere morals shouldn't worry about. |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Deleted on Feb 28, 2012 17:44:41 GMT 1, ยฃ250. For the right to enter into a raffle you probably won't win?? That's a wind up right?
ยฃ250. For the right to enter into a raffle you probably won't win?? That's a wind up right?
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by digitalkid on Feb 28, 2012 17:57:54 GMT 1, I'm not sure an online raffle is the best option. It would be safe to assume that everyone gets mates, mums, dads, sisters, brothers, daughters, sons, grand mums, grand dads, long lost auntie to enter for them. Once the email goes out to say it is a raffle the email is passed to thousands of people maybe even hundreds of thousands. It makes a mockery of the whole raffle idea.
I would be more than happy to see POW sell them at current values somewhere between 2.5K > 4.5K for new prints. Limit the run to 250 signed.
I may get bashed for this but I don't think the overseas market should get special treatment from POW. Everyone should be treated the same. If your that desperate for a print jump on a plane (I know a few have in the past) it's not Banksy's fault you live overseas in a different time zone.
My money is on a mass release un signed.
I'm not sure an online raffle is the best option. It would be safe to assume that everyone gets mates, mums, dads, sisters, brothers, daughters, sons, grand mums, grand dads, long lost auntie to enter for them. Once the email goes out to say it is a raffle the email is passed to thousands of people maybe even hundreds of thousands. It makes a mockery of the whole raffle idea.
I would be more than happy to see POW sell them at current values somewhere between 2.5K > 4.5K for new prints. Limit the run to 250 signed.
I may get bashed for this but I don't think the overseas market should get special treatment from POW. Everyone should be treated the same. If your that desperate for a print jump on a plane (I know a few have in the past) it's not Banksy's fault you live overseas in a different time zone.
My money is on a mass release un signed.
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by blobbydon on Feb 28, 2012 17:58:52 GMT 1, ยฃ250 is a hell of a lot of dosh and have more chance of winning the national lottery
ยฃ250 is a hell of a lot of dosh and have more chance of winning the national lottery
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by grafik on Feb 28, 2012 17:58:55 GMT 1, ยฃ250. For the right to enter into a raffle you probably won't win?? That's a wind up right?
i think he meant if you didnt "win" you got an unsigned version.
ยฃ250. For the right to enter into a raffle you probably won't win?? That's a wind up right? i think he meant if you didnt "win" you got an unsigned version. |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by papsino on Feb 28, 2012 18:09:14 GMT 1, ยฃ250. For the right to enter into a raffle you probably won't win?? That's a wind up right? i think he meant if you didnt "win" you got an unsigned version.
hope so
ยฃ250. For the right to enter into a raffle you probably won't win?? That's a wind up right? i think he meant if you didnt "win" you got an unsigned version. hope so |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by sal on Feb 28, 2012 18:16:23 GMT 1, If your that desperate for a print jump on a plane (I know a few have in the past)
speaking of queuing and all things fun, how much time was given previous years between announcing the drop and the actual sale @ the POW!?..
basically, Im asking how much time one has to get on a plane, fly to London, and hopefully queue up for this?!
If your that desperate for a print jump on a plane (I know a few have in the past) speaking of queuing and all things fun, how much time was given previous years between announcing the drop and the actual sale @ the POW!?.. basically, Im asking how much time one has to get on a plane, fly to London, and hopefully queue up for this?! |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by fingerz on Feb 28, 2012 18:20:04 GMT 1, should release it in the TOON so it only takes me an hour to get there .... ;D
should release it in the TOON so it only takes me an hour to get there .... ;D
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by bernard on Feb 28, 2012 18:21:29 GMT 1, I reckon a large percentage will have already been spoken for / put aside. kerching. Not from the release edition really, plenty of A/P's secret cool guy one off colour ways. Things us mere morals shouldn't worry about.
Lol, head in sand again matey?
I reckon a large percentage will have already been spoken for / put aside. kerching. Not from the release edition really, plenty of A/P's secret cool guy one off colour ways. Things us mere morals shouldn't worry about. Lol, head in sand again matey? |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Deleted on Feb 28, 2012 18:29:15 GMT 1, Not from the release edition really, plenty of A/P's secret cool guy one off colour ways. Things us mere morals shouldn't worry about. Lol, head in sand again matey?
Agreed mate. How many blue / red from the CYW have you seen for sale compared to the other variants? Banged out to mates and a complete piss take.
Having people queue in the freezing cold and snow, not giving any release info, compete piss take.
Farcical lack of organisation, people getting thumped......
There has to be a better way, purely on the basis that there isn't a worse one.
Not from the release edition really, plenty of A/P's secret cool guy one off colour ways. Things us mere morals shouldn't worry about. Lol, head in sand again matey? Agreed mate. How many blue / red from the CYW have you seen for sale compared to the other variants? Banged out to mates and a complete piss take. Having people queue in the freezing cold and snow, not giving any release info, compete piss take. Farcical lack of organisation, people getting thumped...... There has to be a better way, purely on the basis that there isn't a worse one. |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Happy Shopper on Feb 28, 2012 18:34:36 GMT 1, If your that desperate for a print jump on a plane (I know a few have in the past) speaking of queuing and all things fun, how much time was given previous years between announcing the drop and the actual sale @ the POW!?.. basically, Im asking how much time one has to get on a plane, fly to London, and hopefully queue up for this?!
I think for No Ball Games it was announced in the afternoon the day before... Really can't remember exactly, but time for people to come from abroad.
For Choose Your Weapon though the queue started well before any announcement was made, and I think it was finally officially announced about 10PM the night before!
If your that desperate for a print jump on a plane (I know a few have in the past) speaking of queuing and all things fun, how much time was given previous years between announcing the drop and the actual sale @ the POW!?.. basically, Im asking how much time one has to get on a plane, fly to London, and hopefully queue up for this?! for No Ball Games it was announced in the afternoon the day before... Really can't remember exactly, but time for people to come from abroad. For Choose Your Weapon though the queue started well before any announcement was made, and I think it was finally officially announced about 10PM the night before! |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by mojjac on Feb 28, 2012 19:39:45 GMT 1, How about personalising each print to the buyer, ie. To Daniel SILK love Banksy or to Wayne Carr from Banksy. Like to see them sold on eBay then.
How about personalising each print to the buyer, ie. To Daniel SILK love Banksy or to Wayne Carr from Banksy. Like to see them sold on eBay then.
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by chyren on Feb 28, 2012 19:46:53 GMT 1, I was thinking of a double queue
One for the usual flippers
And one just across for the registered members ..
Who would pow sell to??
Flippers or Banksy fans??
I was thinking of a double queue
One for the usual flippers
And one just across for the registered members ..
Who would pow sell to??
Flippers or Banksy fans??
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Prescription Art on Feb 28, 2012 20:08:13 GMT 1, I was thinking of a double queue One for the usual flippers And one just across for the registered members .. Who would pow sell to?? Flippers or Banksy fans??
So which queue would forum members go in again?
I was thinking of a double queue One for the usual flippers And one just across for the registered members .. Who would pow sell to?? Flippers or Banksy fans?? So which queue would forum members go in again? |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by bernard on Feb 28, 2012 20:10:23 GMT 1, None, too busy whinging on here, they get their mums to go and queue.
None, too busy whinging on here, they get their mums to go and queue.
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by hunter007 on Feb 28, 2012 20:18:13 GMT 1, None, too busy whinging on here, they get their mums to go and queue.
Like your style bernard. You do make ne laugh 
None, too busy whinging on here, they get their mums to go and queue. Like your style bernard. You do make ne laugh |
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