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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 2:57:23 GMT 1, Clear as day 15 won't be enough More you make the more you raise for good causes and I'm sure members here wouldn't begrudge you earning a bit for time/materials put in GLWS You've gotta remember too that it costs money up front to make these. Say I did make 300, I'd be looking at $1K+ up front just for the paper alone. Then there's ink, tubes etc... all money needed up front that I simply don't have
You can sell before making, as long as you know exactly what your costs will be. People won't care about waiting a month, esp for a charity print. Whatever you wanna do; you've already done enough!
Clear as day 15 won't be enough More you make the more you raise for good causes and I'm sure members here wouldn't begrudge you earning a bit for time/materials put in GLWS You've gotta remember too that it costs money up front to make these. Say I did make 300, I'd be looking at $1K+ up front just for the paper alone. Then there's ink, tubes etc... all money needed up front that I simply don't have You can sell before making, as long as you know exactly what your costs will be. People won't care about waiting a month, esp for a charity print. Whatever you wanna do; you've already done enough! |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by mac on Mar 5, 2015 3:01:57 GMT 1, Any money raised for good causes by selling a fun print sounds like a great idea to me as long as people know exactly what they are bidding on, and if you get a bit of promotion at the same time then it is well deserved in my opinion.
Look forward to seeing the prints and as for charity suggestions... I was very impressed by the Christina Noble Foundation's work in Ulaan Baatar - www.cncf.org/mongolia.html
Any money raised for good causes by selling a fun print sounds like a great idea to me as long as people know exactly what they are bidding on, and if you get a bit of promotion at the same time then it is well deserved in my opinion. Look forward to seeing the prints and as for charity suggestions... I was very impressed by the Christina Noble Foundation's work in Ulaan Baatar - www.cncf.org/mongolia.html |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 3:03:03 GMT 1, here's another Pepper:
The Wildlife Conservation Society... wcs.org
here's another Pepper:
The Wildlife Conservation Society... wcs.org
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by mojo on Mar 5, 2015 3:05:59 GMT 1, All good on charity, but whether you like it or not the print does have to do with Banksy even though you have properly made clear it is not ENDORSED by Banksy. Personally this still feels a little off to me, like someone making fake Grucci Bags for charity. It feels like a promotional stunt to some degree and seems an odd way to start an art print house by making a knock off art print.
The Glitter Gorilla edition by the REAL BANKSY is not extinct and therefore at any point in the future the REAL artist of this work may choose to release it ........... perhaps for a charity of their own choice?
Sorry but using charity to make this stunt acceptable isn't cool ....... in my humbly opinion. If you were motivated to start a print house as you don't like the way this 'scene' is going then ripping off a Banksy print seems very odd.
All good on charity, but whether you like it or not the print does have to do with Banksy even though you have properly made clear it is not ENDORSED by Banksy. Personally this still feels a little off to me, like someone making fake Grucci Bags for charity. It feels like a promotional stunt to some degree and seems an odd way to start an art print house by making a knock off art print. This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The Glitter Gorilla edition by the REAL BANKSY is not extinct and therefore at any point in the future the REAL artist of this work may choose to release it ........... perhaps for a charity of their own choice? Sorry but using charity to make this stunt acceptable isn't cool ....... in my humbly opinion. If you were motivated to start a print house as you don't like the way this 'scene' is going then ripping off a Banksy print seems very odd. |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 3:12:15 GMT 1, If Banksy cares, the OP will be contacted and the whole shebang will be off. If Banksy doesn't care, why would anyone? Worrying about something that doesn't exist yet, like the REAL BANKSY Glitter Gorilla Edition is a waste of time and energy in my opinion.
Yes, I saw the POW thing. Perhaps that was them just using the image to promote their Christmas catalogue.
If Banksy cares, the OP will be contacted and the whole shebang will be off. If Banksy doesn't care, why would anyone? Worrying about something that doesn't exist yet, like the REAL BANKSY Glitter Gorilla Edition is a waste of time and energy in my opinion.
Yes, I saw the POW thing. Perhaps that was them just using the image to promote their Christmas catalogue.
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by mojo on Mar 5, 2015 3:34:12 GMT 1,
I'm not worried  although it could stop the REAL edition ever being released?
When it comes to buying rip offs it's up to the individual buyer .....very much each to their own.
I prefer to "Keep it Real".
I'm not worried although it could stop the REAL edition ever being released? When it comes to buying rip offs it's up to the individual buyer .....very much each to their own. I prefer to "Keep it Real". |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 3:38:23 GMT 1, What if there never was a REAL edition? Keyser Soze like...  Can't speak for Banksy, but I sincerely doubt this would ever cause the mythical glitter gorilla from being released.
Here's another primate charity... gorillas.org
What if there never was a REAL edition? Keyser Soze like... Can't speak for Banksy, but I sincerely doubt this would ever cause the mythical glitter gorilla from being released. Here's another primate charity... gorillas.org |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by sgolby on Mar 5, 2015 3:51:24 GMT 1, It is 100% not banksy. ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!!! Enough with these shenanigans. Nice idea @pepperspray 99.999999% Where's outis
It is 100% not banksy. ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!!! Enough with these shenanigans. Nice idea @pepperspray 99.999999% Where's outis Shenanigans |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 3:52:26 GMT 1, This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The Glitter Gorilla edition by the REAL BANKSY is not extinct and therefore at any point in the future the REAL artist of this work may choose to release it ........... perhaps for a charity of their own choice? Sorry but using charity to make this stunt acceptable isn't cool ....... in my humbly opinion. If you were motivated to start a print house as you don't like the way this 'scene' is going then ripping off a Banksy print seems very odd. I'm listening to both sides of the discussion. If the general consensus seems to be it's wrong then I won't do it. But I'll add I don't think I'm "ripping off a Banksy". I'm not trying to pass his work off as my own. I'm not trying to trick people into thinking there's a 1% chance it's him. I'm not making any money off of him, and I'm not taking any money out of his pocket. Banksy has made it pretty clear that he's okay with people using his images, as long as it's not for profit. I'm posting info on the release in advance on a public forum (that also happens to be named after him). If he would rather I not release it, I won't. I'm all about civil discourse and will listen to what everyone has to say. Both pros and cons Just out of curiosity, would it make any difference to anyone if I just didn't release them through my new print house? Just me, a guy who likes to print, raising some money for charity? If that would make anyone feel better, then that's another route I could take.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The Glitter Gorilla edition by the REAL BANKSY is not extinct and therefore at any point in the future the REAL artist of this work may choose to release it ........... perhaps for a charity of their own choice? Sorry but using charity to make this stunt acceptable isn't cool ....... in my humbly opinion. If you were motivated to start a print house as you don't like the way this 'scene' is going then ripping off a Banksy print seems very odd. I'm listening to both sides of the discussion. If the general consensus seems to be it's wrong then I won't do it. But I'll add I don't think I'm "ripping off a Banksy". I'm not trying to pass his work off as my own. I'm not trying to trick people into thinking there's a 1% chance it's him. I'm not making any money off of him, and I'm not taking any money out of his pocket. Banksy has made it pretty clear that he's okay with people using his images, as long as it's not for profit. I'm posting info on the release in advance on a public forum (that also happens to be named after him). If he would rather I not release it, I won't. I'm all about civil discourse and will listen to what everyone has to say. Both pros and cons Just out of curiosity, would it make any difference to anyone if I just didn't release them through my new print house? Just me, a guy who likes to print, raising some money for charity? If that would make anyone feel better, then that's another route I could take. Just do it. And continue to be transparent. We like to follow the $ around here. |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 4:15:53 GMT 1, Just do it. And continue to be transparent. We like to follow the $ around here. another thought, to give more people a chance to get one - Do the small edition of glittered prints, and do a larger edition without glitter. People could always add some glitter themselves if they wanted to the best things in life, are not things! it's about giving back. so do what you think will best help achieve the goal you had in mind.
Just do it. And continue to be transparent. We like to follow the $ around here. another thought, to give more people a chance to get one - Do the small edition of glittered prints, and do a larger edition without glitter. People could always add some glitter themselves if they wanted to the best things in life, are not things! it's about giving back. so do what you think will best help achieve the goal you had in mind.
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by mmmike on Mar 5, 2015 4:17:18 GMT 1, Also World Wildlife Fund would be an appropriate charity.
www.peta.org/blog/wwf-really-stand/
When you think of the World Wildlife Fund (WWF), do you envision a group that pushes animal testing and endorses the Canadian seal slaughter and the shooting of elephants for sport? Chances are you don’t, because the dirty secrets of the WWF are well-concealed behind a cuddly panda bear logo.
But German producer Wilfried Huismann is about to turn that “eco-façade” on its head. In his film Silence of the Pandas, he exposes what he dubs “the dark side” of the mammoth organization. WWF has become so large, says Huismann, by partnering with wealthy corporations that plaster its famous logo on their products as an endorsement in exchange for sizeable donations. Even while WWF purports to protect the environment, it promotes companies that are destroying it.
And we haven’t even mentioned the animals WWF leaves in its wake. By pressuring government agencies to require even more animal tests, WWF’s lobbying led to the establishment of what will be one of the largest animal-testing programs of all time. But what else would you expect from an organization founded by trophy hunters?
Like many people, I once was fooled by the warm and fuzzy commercials of pandas frolicking in the mist and made a donation to WWF. Now that I’ve learned what my money supported, the only green this meanie gets from me is when I throw its solicitations in my recycle bin.
Also World Wildlife Fund would be an appropriate charity. Please not WWF. I'd rather the money go to wrestlers. www.peta.org/blog/wwf-really-stand/When you think of the World Wildlife Fund (WWF), do you envision a group that pushes animal testing and endorses the Canadian seal slaughter and the shooting of elephants for sport? Chances are you don’t, because the dirty secrets of the WWF are well-concealed behind a cuddly panda bear logo. But German producer Wilfried Huismann is about to turn that “eco-façade” on its head. In his film Silence of the Pandas, he exposes what he dubs “the dark side” of the mammoth organization. WWF has become so large, says Huismann, by partnering with wealthy corporations that plaster its famous logo on their products as an endorsement in exchange for sizeable donations. Even while WWF purports to protect the environment, it promotes companies that are destroying it. And we haven’t even mentioned the animals WWF leaves in its wake. By pressuring government agencies to require even more animal tests, WWF’s lobbying led to the establishment of what will be one of the largest animal-testing programs of all time. But what else would you expect from an organization founded by trophy hunters? Like many people, I once was fooled by the warm and fuzzy commercials of pandas frolicking in the mist and made a donation to WWF. Now that I’ve learned what my money supported, the only green this meanie gets from me is when I throw its solicitations in my recycle bin. |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 4:19:29 GMT 1, Also World Wildlife Fund would be an appropriate charity. Please not WWF. I'd rather the money go to wrestlers. www.peta.org/blog/wwf-really-stand/When you think of the World Wildlife Fund (WWF), do you envision a group that pushes animal testing and endorses the Canadian seal slaughter and the shooting of elephants for sport? Chances are you don’t, because the dirty secrets of the WWF are well-concealed behind a cuddly panda bear logo. But German producer Wilfried Huismann is about to turn that “eco-façade” on its head. In his film Silence of the Pandas, he exposes what he dubs “the dark side” of the mammoth organization. WWF has become so large, says Huismann, by partnering with wealthy corporations that plaster its famous logo on their products as an endorsement in exchange for sizeable donations. Even while WWF purports to protect the environment, it promotes companies that are destroying it. And we haven’t even mentioned the animals WWF leaves in its wake. By pressuring government agencies to require even more animal tests, WWF’s lobbying led to the establishment of what will be one of the largest animal-testing programs of all time. But what else would you expect from an organization founded by trophy hunters? Like many people, I once was fooled by the warm and fuzzy commercials of pandas frolicking in the mist and made a donation to WWF. Now that I’ve learned what my money supported, the only green this meanie gets from me is when I throw its solicitations in my recycle bin.
Also World Wildlife Fund would be an appropriate charity. Please not WWF. I'd rather the money go to wrestlers. www.peta.org/blog/wwf-really-stand/When you think of the World Wildlife Fund (WWF), do you envision a group that pushes animal testing and endorses the Canadian seal slaughter and the shooting of elephants for sport? Chances are you don’t, because the dirty secrets of the WWF are well-concealed behind a cuddly panda bear logo. But German producer Wilfried Huismann is about to turn that “eco-façade” on its head. In his film Silence of the Pandas, he exposes what he dubs “the dark side” of the mammoth organization. WWF has become so large, says Huismann, by partnering with wealthy corporations that plaster its famous logo on their products as an endorsement in exchange for sizeable donations. Even while WWF purports to protect the environment, it promotes companies that are destroying it. And we haven’t even mentioned the animals WWF leaves in its wake. By pressuring government agencies to require even more animal tests, WWF’s lobbying led to the establishment of what will be one of the largest animal-testing programs of all time. But what else would you expect from an organization founded by trophy hunters? Like many people, I once was fooled by the warm and fuzzy commercials of pandas frolicking in the mist and made a donation to WWF. Now that I’ve learned what my money supported, the only green this meanie gets from me is when I throw its solicitations in my recycle bin. I'll check out that documentary, thanks. |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Mar 5, 2015 5:09:47 GMT 1, I took the family to seaworld 2 weeks ago it was scorchio hot in the 30's.. Their only polar bear was standing out side slowly baking, he didn't look well.. Send me the money and I will buy the poor fella an ice machine or a slushy machine.
I took the family to seaworld 2 weeks ago it was scorchio hot in the 30's.. Their only polar bear was standing out side slowly baking, he didn't look well.. Send me the money and I will buy the poor fella an ice machine or a slushy machine.
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by met on Mar 5, 2015 7:03:36 GMT 1, This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The Glitter Gorilla edition by the REAL BANKSY is not extinct and therefore at any point in the future the REAL artist of this work may choose to release it ........... perhaps for a charity of their own choice? Sorry but using charity to make this stunt acceptable isn't cool ....... in my humbly opinion. If you were motivated to start a print house as you don't like the way this 'scene' is going then ripping off a Banksy print seems very odd. I'm listening to both sides of the discussion. If the general consensus seems to be it's wrong then I won't do it. But I'll add I don't think I'm "ripping off a Banksy". I'm not trying to pass his work off as my own. I'm not trying to trick people into thinking there's a 1% chance it's him. I'm not making any money off of him, and I'm not taking any money out of his pocket. Banksy has made it pretty clear that he's okay with people using his images, as long as it's not for profit. I'm posting info on the release in advance on a public forum (that also happens to be named after him). If he would rather I not release it, I won't. My email address is pepperspraypress@gmail.com. I'd love to hear from him I'm all about civil discourse and will listen to what everyone has to say. Both pros and cons Just out of curiosity, would it make any difference to anyone if I just didn't release them through my new print house? Just me, a guy who likes to print, raising some money for charity? If that would make anyone feel better, then that's another route I could take.
My views are similar to those of anodyne13 and mojo.
You're riding on the coattails of an artist you have no business with, and without their consent. What I sense is that you're also using charity, both as (i) a shield to protect yourself from criticism and (ii) a promotional tool for your new business.
I'll address some of your comments above which I highlighted in red:
1. The fact you're not trying to pass off Banksy's work as your own doesn't mean you wouldn't be ripping him off. You'd still be ripping him off. You'd be stealing and making use of his intellectual property. Knockoffs by West Country Prince aren't passed off as Banksy's work either. But West Country Prince is still a parasite.
2. Your statement on what Banksy has made "pretty clear" isn't quite accurate. I don't know if you are deliberately trying to mislead people, or if your memory is a distortion of what Banksy has previously stated on his website in the former 'Shop' section.
What I quickly found was the old text, "Please feel free to make your own Banksy merchandise for non-commercial purposes". I'm sure you know that "non-commercial purposes" is different than your recollection of "not for profit". For the avoidance of doubt, the former means don't sell anything, don't allow money to exchange hands. Taking the money and then donating sale profits to charity (after deducting your expenses) doesn't override this.
3. Your rationalisation, "If Banksy has a problem, he can contact me" is disingenuous and self-serving.
There is a correct approach and of course you know what it is: Write to Pest Control, let them know your proposed plans, and request their prior approval. That's pretty obvious, isn't it, as a courtesy? After all, this is about an image that doesn't belong to you. The onus is therefore on you to make contact and ask for consent. It isn't up to Banksy's team to chase you if they're unhappy.
Why not be honest here? Admit you don't want to take the ethical route because you think Pest Control will say no.
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You mentioned earlier the main reason you decided to open up a print house was that you disliked "the direction this hobby/scene is headed in".
I have similar reservations. A couple of my gripes (already referred to above but worth repeating) are the cynical use of charity by commercial ventures, and people who latch onto and freeload off the names and reputations of others they have no relationship with.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The Glitter Gorilla edition by the REAL BANKSY is not extinct and therefore at any point in the future the REAL artist of this work may choose to release it ........... perhaps for a charity of their own choice? Sorry but using charity to make this stunt acceptable isn't cool ....... in my humbly opinion. If you were motivated to start a print house as you don't like the way this 'scene' is going then ripping off a Banksy print seems very odd. I'm listening to both sides of the discussion. If the general consensus seems to be it's wrong then I won't do it. But I'll add I don't think I'm "ripping off a Banksy". I'm not trying to pass his work off as my own. I'm not trying to trick people into thinking there's a 1% chance it's him. I'm not making any money off of him, and I'm not taking any money out of his pocket. Banksy has made it pretty clear that he's okay with people using his images, as long as it's not for profit. I'm posting info on the release in advance on a public forum (that also happens to be named after him). If he would rather I not release it, I won't. My email address is pepperspraypress@gmail.com. I'd love to hear from him I'm all about civil discourse and will listen to what everyone has to say. Both pros and cons Just out of curiosity, would it make any difference to anyone if I just didn't release them through my new print house? Just me, a guy who likes to print, raising some money for charity? If that would make anyone feel better, then that's another route I could take. My views are similar to those of anodyne13 and mojo. You're riding on the coattails of an artist you have no business with, and without their consent. What I sense is that you're also using charity, both as (i) a shield to protect yourself from criticism and (ii) a promotional tool for your new business. I'll address some of your comments above which I highlighted in red: 1. The fact you're not trying to pass off Banksy's work as your own doesn't mean you wouldn't be ripping him off. You'd still be ripping him off. You'd be stealing and making use of his intellectual property. Knockoffs by West Country Prince aren't passed off as Banksy's work either. But West Country Prince is still a parasite. 2. Your statement on what Banksy has made "pretty clear" isn't quite accurate. I don't know if you are deliberately trying to mislead people, or if your memory is a distortion of what Banksy has previously stated on his website in the former 'Shop' section. What I quickly found was the old text, "Please feel free to make your own Banksy merchandise for non-commercial purposes". I'm sure you know that "non-commercial purposes" is different than your recollection of "not for profit". For the avoidance of doubt, the former means don't sell anything, don't allow money to exchange hands. Taking the money and then donating sale profits to charity (after deducting your expenses) doesn't override this. 3. Your rationalisation, "If Banksy has a problem, he can contact me" is disingenuous and self-serving. There is a correct approach and of course you know what it is: Write to Pest Control, let them know your proposed plans, and request their prior approval. That's pretty obvious, isn't it, as a courtesy? After all, this is about an image that doesn't belong to you. The onus is therefore on you to make contact and ask for consent. It isn't up to Banksy's team to chase you if they're unhappy. Why not be honest here? Admit you don't want to take the ethical route because you think Pest Control will say no. ------------------ You mentioned earlier the main reason you decided to open up a print house was that you disliked "the direction this hobby/scene is headed in". I have similar reservations. A couple of my gripes (already referred to above but worth repeating) are the cynical use of charity by commercial ventures, and people who latch onto and freeload off the names and reputations of others they have no relationship with. |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 7:40:00 GMT 1, Let me make a prediction: this pepper print will never, probably was never going to be made.
It would have been far more fun to watch it play out though. 
I tried so hard to encourage him/her.
Off to find another car crash.
Let me make a prediction: this pepper print will never, probably was never going to be made. It would have been far more fun to watch it play out though. I tried so hard to encourage him/her. Off to find another car crash. |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 8:38:18 GMT 1, People getting heated. Agree with mojo actually, but met maybe went a bit far. I just assume the print will never be released by banksy, but that assumption could obviously be wrong.
If it's also a promotional thing for a new print shop you're starting then that is a little shady. I thought it was a one-off and the site would shut down after; didn't really read the whole thread.
People getting heated. Agree with mojo actually, but met maybe went a bit far. I just assume the print will never be released by banksy, but that assumption could obviously be wrong.
If it's also a promotional thing for a new print shop you're starting then that is a little shady. I thought it was a one-off and the site would shut down after; didn't really read the whole thread.
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 8:41:55 GMT 1, I'm listening to both sides of the discussion. If the general consensus seems to be it's wrong then I won't do it. But I'll add I don't think I'm "ripping off a Banksy". I'm not trying to pass his work off as my own. I'm not trying to trick people into thinking there's a 1% chance it's him. I'm not making any money off of him, and I'm not taking any money out of his pocket. Banksy has made it pretty clear that he's okay with people using his images, as long as it's not for profit. I'm posting info on the release in advance on a public forum (that also happens to be named after him). If he would rather I not release it, I won't. My email address is pepperspraypress@gmail.com. I'd love to hear from him I'm all about civil discourse and will listen to what everyone has to say. Both pros and cons Just out of curiosity, would it make any difference to anyone if I just didn't release them through my new print house? Just me, a guy who likes to print, raising some money for charity? If that would make anyone feel better, then that's another route I could take. My views are similar to those of anodyne13 and mojo. You're riding on the coattails of an artist you have no business with, and without their consent. What I sense is that you're also using charity, both as (i) a shield to protect yourself from criticism and (ii) a promotional tool for your new business. I'll address some of your comments above which I highlighted in red: 1. The fact you're not trying to pass off Banksy's work as your own doesn't mean you wouldn't be ripping him off. You'd still be ripping him off. You'd be stealing and making use of his intellectual property. Knockoffs by West Country Prince aren't passed off as Banksy's work either. But West Country Prince is still a parasite. 2. Your statement on what Banksy has made "pretty clear" isn't quite accurate. I don't know if you are deliberately trying to mislead people, or if your memory is a distortion of what Banksy has previously stated on his website in the former 'Shop' section. What I quickly found was the old text, "Please feel free to make your own Banksy merchandise for non-commercial purposes". I'm sure you know that "non-commercial purposes" is different than your recollection of "not for profit". For the avoidance of doubt, the former means don't sell anything, don't allow money to exchange hands. Taking the money and then donating sale profits to charity (after deducting your expenses) doesn't override this. 3. Your rationalisation, "If Banksy has a problem, he can contact me" is disingenuous and self-serving. There is a correct approach and of course you know what it is: Write to Pest Control, let them know your proposed plans, and request their prior approval. That's pretty obvious, isn't it, as a courtesy? After all, this is about an image that doesn't belong to you. The onus is therefore on you to make contact and ask for consent. It isn't up to Banksy's team to chase you if they're unhappy. Why not be honest here? Admit you don't want to take the ethical route because you think Pest Control will say no. ------------------ You mentioned earlier the main reason you decided to open up a print house was that you disliked "the direction this hobby/scene is headed in". I have similar reservations. A couple of my gripes (already referred to above but worth repeating) are the cynical use of charity by commercial ventures, and people who latch onto and freeload off the names and reputations of others they have no relationship with.
I'm listening to both sides of the discussion. If the general consensus seems to be it's wrong then I won't do it. But I'll add I don't think I'm "ripping off a Banksy". I'm not trying to pass his work off as my own. I'm not trying to trick people into thinking there's a 1% chance it's him. I'm not making any money off of him, and I'm not taking any money out of his pocket. Banksy has made it pretty clear that he's okay with people using his images, as long as it's not for profit. I'm posting info on the release in advance on a public forum (that also happens to be named after him). If he would rather I not release it, I won't. My email address is pepperspraypress@gmail.com. I'd love to hear from him I'm all about civil discourse and will listen to what everyone has to say. Both pros and cons Just out of curiosity, would it make any difference to anyone if I just didn't release them through my new print house? Just me, a guy who likes to print, raising some money for charity? If that would make anyone feel better, then that's another route I could take. My views are similar to those of anodyne13 and mojo. You're riding on the coattails of an artist you have no business with, and without their consent. What I sense is that you're also using charity, both as (i) a shield to protect yourself from criticism and (ii) a promotional tool for your new business. I'll address some of your comments above which I highlighted in red: 1. The fact you're not trying to pass off Banksy's work as your own doesn't mean you wouldn't be ripping him off. You'd still be ripping him off. You'd be stealing and making use of his intellectual property. Knockoffs by West Country Prince aren't passed off as Banksy's work either. But West Country Prince is still a parasite. 2. Your statement on what Banksy has made "pretty clear" isn't quite accurate. I don't know if you are deliberately trying to mislead people, or if your memory is a distortion of what Banksy has previously stated on his website in the former 'Shop' section. What I quickly found was the old text, "Please feel free to make your own Banksy merchandise for non-commercial purposes". I'm sure you know that "non-commercial purposes" is different than your recollection of "not for profit". For the avoidance of doubt, the former means don't sell anything, don't allow money to exchange hands. Taking the money and then donating sale profits to charity (after deducting your expenses) doesn't override this. 3. Your rationalisation, "If Banksy has a problem, he can contact me" is disingenuous and self-serving. There is a correct approach and of course you know what it is: Write to Pest Control, let them know your proposed plans, and request their prior approval. That's pretty obvious, isn't it, as a courtesy? After all, this is about an image that doesn't belong to you. The onus is therefore on you to make contact and ask for consent. It isn't up to Banksy's team to chase you if they're unhappy. Why not be honest here? Admit you don't want to take the ethical route because you think Pest Control will say no. ------------------ You mentioned earlier the main reason you decided to open up a print house was that you disliked "the direction this hobby/scene is headed in". I have similar reservations. A couple of my gripes (already referred to above but worth repeating) are the cynical use of charity by commercial ventures, and people who latch onto and freeload off the names and reputations of others they have no relationship with. In the absence of a 'like' button, this^^^^^ |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 8:51:15 GMT 1, So have you gotten around the glitter adhesion problems and the Banksy legal team problems? Edit: Keeping in mind, you could actually be Banksy. Yes, we have discovered a magical solution for the glitter There might also be a couple non-glitter gorillas for those who don't like sparkles 
So have you gotten around the glitter adhesion problems and the Banksy legal team problems? Edit: Keeping in mind, you could actually be Banksy. Yes, we have discovered a magical solution for the glitter There might also be a couple non-glitter gorillas for those who don't like sparkles |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by mrblast on Mar 5, 2015 9:19:54 GMT 1,
This is a great idea by the way. I know the Producer of Virunga as well so could easily put you in touch with her.
This is a great idea by the way. I know the Producer of Virunga as well so could easily put you in touch with her. |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Lroy on Mar 5, 2015 9:25:07 GMT 1, Why a gorilla ?
Simple question.
Is it charity for gorillaz ?
Because it was nex Banksy ' s print and all hacva a lot of deceipt ?
double simple quesiotn ;-=
Why a gorilla ?
Simple question.
Is it charity for gorillaz ?
Because it was nex Banksy ' s print and all hacva a lot of deceipt ?
double simple quesiotn ;-=
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 9:42:24 GMT 1, Oooh could this be a new print by Outis???
Just for the record I'm 99% sure it's not Banksy ; )
Oooh could this be a new print by Outis???
Just for the record I'm 99% sure it's not Banksy ; )
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Happy Shopper on Mar 5, 2015 9:46:42 GMT 1, Why a gorilla ? Simple question. Is it charity for gorillaz ? Because it was nex Banksy ' s print and all hacva a lot of deceipt ? double simple quesiotn ;-=
Banksy usually draws himself as a monkey (and wears a monkey mask).
I think the assumption is that this is a sort of self portrait.
(At least that's the only explanation that anyone's come up with)
Why a gorilla ? Simple question. Is it charity for gorillaz ? Because it was nex Banksy ' s print and all hacva a lot of deceipt ? double simple quesiotn ;-= Banksy usually draws himself as a monkey (and wears a monkey mask). I think the assumption is that this is a sort of self portrait. (At least that's the only explanation that anyone's come up with) |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Lroy on Mar 5, 2015 11:51:55 GMT 1, gorilla deleted by me
gorilla deleted by me
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Lroy on Mar 5, 2015 11:54:48 GMT 1, Why a gorilla ? Simple question. Is it charity for gorillaz ? Because it was nex Banksy ' s print and all hacva a lot of deceipt ? double simple quesiotn ;-= Banksy usually draws himself as a monkey (and wears a monkey mask). I think the assumption is that this is a sort of self portrait. (At least that's the only explanation that anyone's come up with)
Ta ! ;-)
Why a gorilla ? Simple question. Is it charity for gorillaz ? Because it was nex Banksy ' s print and all hacva a lot of deceipt ? double simple quesiotn ;-= Banksy usually draws himself as a monkey (and wears a monkey mask). I think the assumption is that this is a sort of self portrait. (At least that's the only explanation that anyone's come up with) Yeah I reckon I am a copycat, and made this with shave foam ;-)... And I made this tag last sunday too .... Ta ! ;-) |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 13:18:53 GMT 1, Okay, let me clarify a few things.... First, this wasn't supposed to be our first release. I've been talking to a number of artists who are interested in doing releases with us, but for various reasons, these releases won't be happening until a later date. The print house was going to launch with one of these artists, but instead, the details on the Gorilla were posted to a blog recently, which I didn't know was going to happen, and since then I've been getting dozens of emails everyday asking about it, I thought I'd move it up and post an update on here. In retrospect, maybe this was a bad idea Second, I contacted both Pest Control and Jo Brooks to see if they could ask Banksy for his permission. Jo Brooks never responded. PC said no. But keep in mind Pest Control ≠ Banksy. Pest Control = POW, and obviously they have their own reasons why they wouldn't want me to do this With that being said, I'm going to try some other routes of getting in touch with Banksy, and these will be on hold until I'm able to get an answer from him. So if anyone out there knows him or people in his circle, please get in touch with me so we can figure this out. Fair?
You could always tweet Jo Brooks.
I sent her a tweet asking if Hirst and a pr team is behind Banksy, she never replied
Failing that she is a Labour Party lobbyist, maybe why Banksy donated a big wedge to the Labour party, so you could contact the Labour Party. Courtesy of Ed Miliband, North London, big house on the left.
Or failing any responses do what you feel is right.
Or do a derivative inspired by Banky.
Gorilla with mask and snorkel
Okay, let me clarify a few things.... First, this wasn't supposed to be our first release. I've been talking to a number of artists who are interested in doing releases with us, but for various reasons, these releases won't be happening until a later date. The print house was going to launch with one of these artists, but instead, the details on the Gorilla were posted to a blog recently, which I didn't know was going to happen, and since then I've been getting dozens of emails everyday asking about it, I thought I'd move it up and post an update on here. In retrospect, maybe this was a bad idea Second, I contacted both Pest Control and Jo Brooks to see if they could ask Banksy for his permission. Jo Brooks never responded. PC said no. But keep in mind Pest Control ≠ Banksy. Pest Control = POW, and obviously they have their own reasons why they wouldn't want me to do this With that being said, I'm going to try some other routes of getting in touch with Banksy, and these will be on hold until I'm able to get an answer from him. So if anyone out there knows him or people in his circle, please get in touch with me so we can figure this out. Fair?
You could always tweet Jo Brooks.
I sent her a tweet asking if Hirst and a pr team is behind Banksy, she never replied
Failing that she is a Labour Party lobbyist, maybe why Banksy donated a big wedge to the Labour party, so you could contact the Labour Party. Courtesy of Ed Miliband, North London, big house on the left.
Or failing any responses do what you feel is right.
Or do a derivative inspired by Banky.
Gorilla with mask and snorkel
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by anorak on Mar 5, 2015 13:24:41 GMT 1, My views are similar to those of anodyne13 and mojo. You're riding on the coattails of an artist you have no business with, and without their consent. What I sense is that you're also using charity, both as (i) a shield to protect yourself from criticism and (ii) a promotional tool for your new business. I'll address some of your comments above which I highlighted in red: 1. The fact you're not trying to pass off Banksy's work as your own doesn't mean you wouldn't be ripping him off. You'd still be ripping him off. You'd be stealing and making use of his intellectual property. Knockoffs by West Country Prince aren't passed off as Banksy's work either. But West Country Prince is still a parasite. 2. Your statement on what Banksy has made "pretty clear" isn't quite accurate. I don't know if you are deliberately trying to mislead people, or if your memory is a distortion of what Banksy has previously stated on his website in the former 'Shop' section. What I quickly found was the old text, "Please feel free to make your own Banksy merchandise for non-commercial purposes". I'm sure you know that "non-commercial purposes" is different than your recollection of "not for profit". For the avoidance of doubt, the former means don't sell anything, don't allow money to exchange hands. Taking the money and then donating sale profits to charity (after deducting your expenses) doesn't override this. 3. Your rationalisation, "If Banksy has a problem, he can contact me" is disingenuous and self-serving. There is a correct approach and of course you know what it is: Write to Pest Control, let them know your proposed plans, and request their prior approval. That's pretty obvious, isn't it, as a courtesy? After all, this is about an image that doesn't belong to you. The onus is therefore on you to make contact and ask for consent. It isn't up to Banksy's team to chase you if they're unhappy. Why not be honest here? Admit you don't want to take the ethical route because you think Pest Control will say no. ------------------ You mentioned earlier the main reason you decided to open up a print house was that you disliked "the direction this hobby/scene is headed in". I have similar reservations. A couple of my gripes (already referred to above but worth repeating) are the cynical use of charity by commercial ventures, and people who latch onto and freeload off the names and reputations of others they have no relationship with.
My views are similar to those of anodyne13 and mojo. You're riding on the coattails of an artist you have no business with, and without their consent. What I sense is that you're also using charity, both as (i) a shield to protect yourself from criticism and (ii) a promotional tool for your new business. I'll address some of your comments above which I highlighted in red: 1. The fact you're not trying to pass off Banksy's work as your own doesn't mean you wouldn't be ripping him off. You'd still be ripping him off. You'd be stealing and making use of his intellectual property. Knockoffs by West Country Prince aren't passed off as Banksy's work either. But West Country Prince is still a parasite. 2. Your statement on what Banksy has made "pretty clear" isn't quite accurate. I don't know if you are deliberately trying to mislead people, or if your memory is a distortion of what Banksy has previously stated on his website in the former 'Shop' section. What I quickly found was the old text, "Please feel free to make your own Banksy merchandise for non-commercial purposes". I'm sure you know that "non-commercial purposes" is different than your recollection of "not for profit". For the avoidance of doubt, the former means don't sell anything, don't allow money to exchange hands. Taking the money and then donating sale profits to charity (after deducting your expenses) doesn't override this. 3. Your rationalisation, "If Banksy has a problem, he can contact me" is disingenuous and self-serving. There is a correct approach and of course you know what it is: Write to Pest Control, let them know your proposed plans, and request their prior approval. That's pretty obvious, isn't it, as a courtesy? After all, this is about an image that doesn't belong to you. The onus is therefore on you to make contact and ask for consent. It isn't up to Banksy's team to chase you if they're unhappy. Why not be honest here? Admit you don't want to take the ethical route because you think Pest Control will say no. ------------------ You mentioned earlier the main reason you decided to open up a print house was that you disliked "the direction this hobby/scene is headed in". I have similar reservations. A couple of my gripes (already referred to above but worth repeating) are the cynical use of charity by commercial ventures, and people who latch onto and freeload off the names and reputations of others they have no relationship with. ^^^^^^^^ I agree entirely with Met - you are a .If you're so keen to improve this 'scene' then make your own artwork or support an original artist. You are disrespecting the wishes of an artist (it doesn't really matter which one). If the person who created the drawing (that you're plagiarising) had intended to release it as a print, then they would have. |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 13:35:59 GMT 1, Banksy is cool.
Only he and Brainwash and Fairey and Koons and Hirst are allowed to plagiarise
Personally, I think art inspired by Banksy and changed from the original image is better but it's a free country and a Gorilla covered in glitter can be highly arousing for Banksy fans
Banksy is cool. Only he and Brainwash and Fairey and Koons and Hirst are allowed to plagiarise Personally, I think art inspired by Banksy and changed from the original image is better but it's a free country and a Gorilla covered in glitter can be highly arousing for Banksy fans |
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by anorak on Mar 5, 2015 13:44:54 GMT 1, I apologise, maybe you're not a .. but you're certainly misguided. Pest Control = Banksy. POW = POW
I apologise, maybe you're not a .. but you're certainly misguided. Pest Control = Banksy. POW = POW
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Sturban Has Saggy Tits on Mar 5, 2015 13:45:17 GMT 1, If you are going to contact Banksy, maybe try and persuade him to release this print for charity. I am sure the millions raised would be considerably more. If you pull that off you would not need any self publicity at all.
It doesn't seem ethical to release a print from an artist of his nature without his wishes.
If you are going to contact Banksy, maybe try and persuade him to release this print for charity. I am sure the millions raised would be considerably more. If you pull that off you would not need any self publicity at all.
It doesn't seem ethical to release a print from an artist of his nature without his wishes.
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Banksy Gorilla Print Release - POW, by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 14:02:59 GMT 1, Didn't Banksy say he gives away thousands of paintings albeit online images for non profit use?
Thats the grey area. Does non profit use include stuff done for charity
Didn't Banksy say he gives away thousands of paintings albeit online images for non profit use?
Thats the grey area. Does non profit use include stuff done for charity
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although it could stop the REAL edition ever being released? 
Can't speak for Banksy, but I sincerely doubt this would ever cause the mythical glitter gorilla from being released. 
