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POW Pictures on Walls, by slippy on Dec 2, 2006 20:39:06 GMT 1, Most of us on this forum have been supporting POW for quite some time and are entitled to feel disappointed with what has happened recently. Personally, I felt that the sale of the applause print was a mess - disorganised and random. After visiting SG myself and hearing similar tales from everyone else, I feel that we have all been treated with contempt. Poor customer service is one thing - this is more sinister. We have been told that SG is affordable art and the perfect tonic to corporate christmas. I feel that SG gave me one of the most corporate, unfriendly experiences I have ever had! I'm asking myself is it worth it? Is it that affordable? Do I want to be treated this way by an organisation? Are their values still valid? The answer to the last question is a definite no for me. I will be trying to buy stuff direct from artists in the future wherever possible, in an effort to avoid contributing to the POW monster ego and the contempt they treat their customers with.
Most of us on this forum have been supporting POW for quite some time and are entitled to feel disappointed with what has happened recently. Personally, I felt that the sale of the applause print was a mess - disorganised and random. After visiting SG myself and hearing similar tales from everyone else, I feel that we have all been treated with contempt. Poor customer service is one thing - this is more sinister. We have been told that SG is affordable art and the perfect tonic to corporate christmas. I feel that SG gave me one of the most corporate, unfriendly experiences I have ever had! I'm asking myself is it worth it? Is it that affordable? Do I want to be treated this way by an organisation? Are their values still valid? The answer to the last question is a definite no for me. I will be trying to buy stuff direct from artists in the future wherever possible, in an effort to avoid contributing to the POW monster ego and the contempt they treat their customers with.
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POW Pictures on Walls, by ricosg11 on Dec 2, 2006 20:46:43 GMT 1, I must say that Applause was my first Banksy and I got it through the POW onsale. Took nearly 3 hours of work though. I am in New York and missed out on a lot of the "good stuff". I gotta say though POW has done an excellent job with my customer service. My signed applause came crushed and thus far they have been nothing but helpful and kind. Instead of being sour about missing out your should be happy your old friend is having so much success they can barely handle it and that your old prints have risen so much in value.
I must say that Applause was my first Banksy and I got it through the POW onsale. Took nearly 3 hours of work though. I am in New York and missed out on a lot of the "good stuff". I gotta say though POW has done an excellent job with my customer service. My signed applause came crushed and thus far they have been nothing but helpful and kind. Instead of being sour about missing out your should be happy your old friend is having so much success they can barely handle it and that your old prints have risen so much in value.
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POW Pictures on Walls, by RetroCanvas on Dec 2, 2006 21:09:30 GMT 1, I hear what you're saying. I think that POW are slightly pushing it on the service front. I think they are also struggling to stick with their initial brand values, the buy to sell market dosn't help them there!
In my opinion, I still think that they are 'affordable'. And as an artist myself I understand the work involved in creating such work so they do deserve a pat on the back for that.
Dealing with the artist does have it's advantages. I sell my paintings on a one to one basis so that every customer gets exactly what they want. I have just commissioned a painting direct from Mr Eggs (www.mreggs.com) and I would really recomend his stuff.
Any way, the oven is beeping at me,
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Most of us on this forum have been supporting POW for quite some time and are entitled to feel disappointed with what has happened recently. Personally, I felt that the sale of the applause print was a mess - disorganised and random. After visiting SG myself and hearing similar tales from everyone else, I feel that we have all been treated with contempt. Poor customer service is one thing - this is more sinister. We have been told that SG is affordable art and the perfect tonic to corporate christmas. I feel that SG gave me one of the most corporate, unfriendly experiences I have ever had! I'm asking myself is it worth it? Is it that affordable? Do I want to be treated this way by an organisation? Are their values still valid? The answer to the last question is a definite no for me. I will be trying to buy stuff direct from artists in the future wherever possible, in an effort to avoid contributing to the POW monster ego and the contempt they treat their customers with.
I hear what you're saying. I think that POW are slightly pushing it on the service front. I think they are also struggling to stick with their initial brand values, the buy to sell market dosn't help them there! In my opinion, I still think that they are 'affordable'. And as an artist myself I understand the work involved in creating such work so they do deserve a pat on the back for that. Dealing with the artist does have it's advantages. I sell my paintings on a one to one basis so that every customer gets exactly what they want. I have just commissioned a painting direct from Mr Eggs (www.mreggs.com) and I would really recomend his stuff. Any way, the oven is beeping at me, Retro Most of us on this forum have been supporting POW for quite some time and are entitled to feel disappointed with what has happened recently. Personally, I felt that the sale of the applause print was a mess - disorganised and random. After visiting SG myself and hearing similar tales from everyone else, I feel that we have all been treated with contempt. Poor customer service is one thing - this is more sinister. We have been told that SG is affordable art and the perfect tonic to corporate christmas. I feel that SG gave me one of the most corporate, unfriendly experiences I have ever had! I'm asking myself is it worth it? Is it that affordable? Do I want to be treated this way by an organisation? Are their values still valid? The answer to the last question is a definite no for me. I will be trying to buy stuff direct from artists in the future wherever possible, in an effort to avoid contributing to the POW monster ego and the contempt they treat their customers with. |
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POW Pictures on Walls, by Run Pig Run on Dec 2, 2006 21:12:14 GMT 1, It did leave a sour taste in my mouth yesterday. I have spent over a grand at POW this year and was looking foward to SG for ages, I travelled hundreds of miles to get a print. I queue up like a good little boy, they took my name and address and reserved me a print and told me to come back at 3-4pm. i came back at ten past 3 and people were walking out with arms full of tubes, i waddled up to get mine and was told to get out of the shop! an hour later it re-opened and was told nothing was for sale today - I explained i had travelled pretty much all morning and waited allday - "just doing my job" was the reply - fair enough it's busy but so was fuckin mcdonalds. I
It did leave a sour taste in my mouth yesterday. I have spent over a grand at POW this year and was looking foward to SG for ages, I travelled hundreds of miles to get a print. I queue up like a good little boy, they took my name and address and reserved me a print and told me to come back at 3-4pm. i came back at ten past 3 and people were walking out with arms full of tubes, i waddled up to get mine and was told to get out of the shop! an hour later it re-opened and was told nothing was for sale today - I explained i had travelled pretty much all morning and waited allday - "just doing my job" was the reply - fair enough it's busy but so was fuckin mcdonalds. I
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POW Pictures on Walls, by afroken on Dec 2, 2006 21:15:51 GMT 1, Although I disagree with the first post - Santa's Ghetto has always been shambolic (in an endearing way) and they couldn't apologise enough for the online debacle - it always surprises me when people talks about POW's 'values'. Don't people realize that it's part of a bigger machine and even bigger master plan? I'm not going to spell it out, but think about it for a minute. It really does all make perfect sense.
Although I disagree with the first post - Santa's Ghetto has always been shambolic (in an endearing way) and they couldn't apologise enough for the online debacle - it always surprises me when people talks about POW's 'values'. Don't people realize that it's part of a bigger machine and even bigger master plan? I'm not going to spell it out, but think about it for a minute. It really does all make perfect sense.
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POW Pictures on Walls, by Run Pig Run on Dec 2, 2006 21:20:35 GMT 1, can you spell it out please, cos I ain't got a clue what conspiracy theory you are on about?
can you spell it out please, cos I ain't got a clue what conspiracy theory you are on about?
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POW Pictures on Walls, by afroken on Dec 2, 2006 21:25:25 GMT 1, no conspiracy theory! The popularity of the prints drives the secondary market. Over inflated print prices (on eBay mainly) underpin the prices of original works. The more hype you create at the bottom of the market, the more the prices go up at the exclusive end. Add to that who owns POW and bingo! You've got a nice little self-perpetuating money machine. You lose a little money on the one hand (and let small time dealers make it instead) and reap the considerably bigger rewards on the other.
I don't mean to sound cynical, cos I'm not. And I've got nothing against them or an axe to grind. Just an observation. It's business at the end of the day
no conspiracy theory! The popularity of the prints drives the secondary market. Over inflated print prices (on eBay mainly) underpin the prices of original works. The more hype you create at the bottom of the market, the more the prices go up at the exclusive end. Add to that who owns POW and bingo! You've got a nice little self-perpetuating money machine. You lose a little money on the one hand (and let small time dealers make it instead) and reap the considerably bigger rewards on the other.
I don't mean to sound cynical, cos I'm not. And I've got nothing against them or an axe to grind. Just an observation. It's business at the end of the day
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POW Pictures on Walls, by gm on Dec 2, 2006 21:35:58 GMT 1, Like it or not the Banksy Madness is at it's height, and his name is linked with the Ghetto and POW. There's obviously going to be much more interest this year than in previous, cos more people have heard of them now.
Next week, yes it'll still be busy and a lot of the stuff will be gone, but it will be less busy as there won't be so many "I read about that in the paper today, let's go in and have a look"* punters, and there will probably be different stuff in.
If I was in a purchasing position there's no way I'd be trying to do it in Week 1 of this year's Ghetto, let alone on Day 1.
Anyone who chose, themselves, to travel hundreds of miles at the crack of dawn on what was obviously going to be a completely mental day possibly didn't think things through properly. The reality has come as a letdown after all the anticipation.
So some people got armfuls of tubes and some people got nothing at all... Yes it's "not fair", but neither's life in general.
Everyone just needs to take a chill pill.
*heard more than once last night while I was standing outside Virgin, smoking fags and waiting for my gig-buddy to show up.
Like it or not the Banksy Madness is at it's height, and his name is linked with the Ghetto and POW. There's obviously going to be much more interest this year than in previous, cos more people have heard of them now.
Next week, yes it'll still be busy and a lot of the stuff will be gone, but it will be less busy as there won't be so many "I read about that in the paper today, let's go in and have a look"* punters, and there will probably be different stuff in.
If I was in a purchasing position there's no way I'd be trying to do it in Week 1 of this year's Ghetto, let alone on Day 1.
Anyone who chose, themselves, to travel hundreds of miles at the crack of dawn on what was obviously going to be a completely mental day possibly didn't think things through properly. The reality has come as a letdown after all the anticipation.
So some people got armfuls of tubes and some people got nothing at all... Yes it's "not fair", but neither's life in general.
Everyone just needs to take a chill pill.
*heard more than once last night while I was standing outside Virgin, smoking fags and waiting for my gig-buddy to show up.
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POW Pictures on Walls, by andrewd on Dec 2, 2006 21:43:22 GMT 1,
If I was in a purchasing position there's no way I'd be trying to do it in Week 1 of this year's Ghetto, let alone on Day 1.
Anyone who chose, themselves, to travel hundreds of miles at the crack of dawn on what was obviously going to be a completely mental day possibly didn't think things through properly. The reality has come as a letdown after all the anticipation.
I know GM that you have peoples interests at heart, e.g. worrying for the early risers not knowing the location before setting out. I think that no one knew what to expect this year and I must say that I don't blame people for wanting to get there early in case it all sold out ( a la Banksy )
I hope there are not people who traveled and had to book acommodation who didn't get anything
If I was in a purchasing position there's no way I'd be trying to do it in Week 1 of this year's Ghetto, let alone on Day 1.
Anyone who chose, themselves, to travel hundreds of miles at the crack of dawn on what was obviously going to be a completely mental day possibly didn't think things through properly. The reality has come as a letdown after all the anticipation.
I know GM that you have peoples interests at heart, e.g. worrying for the early risers not knowing the location before setting out. I think that no one knew what to expect this year and I must say that I don't blame people for wanting to get there early in case it all sold out ( a la Banksy )
I hope there are not people who traveled and had to book acommodation who didn't get anything
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POW Pictures on Walls, by gm on Dec 2, 2006 21:49:09 GMT 1,
You and me both.
But like someone pointed out above, at the end of the day POW/SG is a business. And nobody forced anyone in to London at Gunpoint 
You and me both. But like someone pointed out above, at the end of the day POW/SG is a business. And nobody forced anyone in to London at Gunpoint |
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POW Pictures on Walls, by andrewd on Dec 2, 2006 22:20:50 GMT 1, I know but it's expectations ( realistic or not ). For me nothing about POW has changed except it's busier.
I went past @ lunchtime there was a huge queue so instead I went to pick up my Connor Harrington book from Lazarides. It was just me and the staff in there. there's a whole exhibition to see in there, people need to widen their horizons. I'll say it again, spend time in Tott. Crt. Rd Station ( next door to the ghetto, central line section ) checking out the work of Sir Eduardo Paolozzi. For ยฃ200 or so quid a throw if you can find them his prints are amazing, widely regarded as the best screenprinter in the business before he died.
I know but it's expectations ( realistic or not ). For me nothing about POW has changed except it's busier.
I went past @ lunchtime there was a huge queue so instead I went to pick up my Connor Harrington book from Lazarides. It was just me and the staff in there. there's a whole exhibition to see in there, people need to widen their horizons. I'll say it again, spend time in Tott. Crt. Rd Station ( next door to the ghetto, central line section ) checking out the work of Sir Eduardo Paolozzi. For ยฃ200 or so quid a throw if you can find them his prints are amazing, widely regarded as the best screenprinter in the business before he died.
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POW Pictures on Walls, by gm on Dec 2, 2006 22:36:03 GMT 1, I know but it's expectations ( realistic or not ). For me nothing about POW has changed except it's busier. I went past @ lunchtime there was a huge queue so instead I went to pick up my Connor Harrington book from Lazarides. It was just me and the staff in there. there's a whole exhibition to see in there, people need to widen their horizons. I'll say it again, spend time in Tott. Crt. Rd Station ( next door to the ghetto, central line section ) checking out the work of Sir Eduardo Paolozzi. For ยฃ200 or so quid a throw if you can find them his prints are amazing, widely regarded as the best screenprinter in the business before he died.
Well said that man!
(I'm assuming you're a man, from the name  )
I know but it's expectations ( realistic or not ). For me nothing about POW has changed except it's busier. I went past @ lunchtime there was a huge queue so instead I went to pick up my Connor Harrington book from Lazarides. It was just me and the staff in there. there's a whole exhibition to see in there, people need to widen their horizons. I'll say it again, spend time in Tott. Crt. Rd Station ( next door to the ghetto, central line section ) checking out the work of Sir Eduardo Paolozzi. For ยฃ200 or so quid a throw if you can find them his prints are amazing, widely regarded as the best screenprinter in the business before he died. Well said that man! (I'm assuming you're a man, from the name ) |
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POW Pictures on Walls, by reados on Dec 2, 2006 23:34:08 GMT 1, i dont think its pow 's fault, they are trying to keep the prices down to keep it affordable, but its backfired and people realise they can shift them on ebay and double their money, i feel the only way for them to solve the problem is put the prices up. And put some on the website (limit them to one per customer) for international customers and people like me in cornwall to be able to buy at least one. it s one of the those vicious circle situations chaps!!
just my thoughts for you
cheers nik
i dont think its pow 's fault, they are trying to keep the prices down to keep it affordable, but its backfired and people realise they can shift them on ebay and double their money, i feel the only way for them to solve the problem is put the prices up. And put some on the website (limit them to one per customer) for international customers and people like me in cornwall to be able to buy at least one. it s one of the those vicious circle situations chaps!!
just my thoughts for you
cheers nik
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POW Pictures on Walls, by wezzley on Dec 2, 2006 23:50:07 GMT 1, hi slippy, once you realise youre not meant to expect a seamless corporate experience I think you'll be a lot more relaxed about the whole thing 
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POW Pictures on Walls, by wezzley on Dec 2, 2006 23:54:09 GMT 1, & well said gm, people..chill
& well said gm, people..chill
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POW Pictures on Walls, by abeautifulnight on Dec 3, 2006 0:02:36 GMT 1, Look it gotten totla huge in the last 3 months. Just look at the knock on effect of banksy - obey prints are selling at silly prices on eby and now by openning on oxford street !!!!!!!! I think things have gotten out of hand its about selling as much as possible before the bubble bursts.
Banksy will retain his prices - to many people have spend to much money to let him slide but beyond that who knows
We should all remember POW is mostly owned by Jamie and we all know what a whore he is
Look it gotten totla huge in the last 3 months. Just look at the knock on effect of banksy - obey prints are selling at silly prices on eby and now by openning on oxford street !!!!!!!! I think things have gotten out of hand its about selling as much as possible before the bubble bursts.
Banksy will retain his prices - to many people have spend to much money to let him slide but beyond that who knows
We should all remember POW is mostly owned by Jamie and we all know what a whore he is
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POW Pictures on Walls, by twigboy on Dec 3, 2006 2:22:00 GMT 1, No, I think some of you are missing the point.... Santas Ghetto 1 - 2 and 3 years ago where great. and
this years show has been one of there best... Hey man, they bombed Oxford Street with some
of the most amazing art around... (Looks like most of you missed that and went staight to the
racks of prints and are now crying like sad children that missed out on your mum and dad not giving you
that buzz light year 5 years ago) All you people out there who think its about buying prints have
got it so wrong!!!... Your the sad ones who have made it like this... when actually, your all living in
the bubble... Ahhh, remember the days when you could pick up a canvas for ยฃ85, you still
can, but most of you are more bothered about buying and selling prints than the art there actually
selling... open your eyes, and smell the reallity of it all, check the cutting edge political commentry...
and then decide if you really want another colour way of a 5 year old Elius image....
No, I think some of you are missing the point.... Santas Ghetto 1 - 2 and 3 years ago where great. and
this years show has been one of there best... Hey man, they bombed Oxford Street with some
of the most amazing art around... (Looks like most of you missed that and went staight to the
racks of prints and are now crying like sad children that missed out on your mum and dad not giving you
that buzz light year 5 years ago) All you people out there who think its about buying prints have
got it so wrong!!!... Your the sad ones who have made it like this... when actually, your all living in
the bubble... Ahhh, remember the days when you could pick up a canvas for ยฃ85, you still
can, but most of you are more bothered about buying and selling prints than the art there actually
selling... open your eyes, and smell the reallity of it all, check the cutting edge political commentry...
and then decide if you really want another colour way of a 5 year old Elius image....
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POW Pictures on Walls, by slippy on Dec 3, 2006 2:26:38 GMT 1, some provocative responses for my provocative comments. This year, culminating in the current SG show, has been unprecendented. Its taken a bit of the fun out for me. Ebay seems to have influenced things dramatically. Is that all everything is now - Ebay's bitch?!
some provocative responses for my provocative comments. This year, culminating in the current SG show, has been unprecendented. Its taken a bit of the fun out for me. Ebay seems to have influenced things dramatically. Is that all everything is now - Ebay's bitch?!
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POW Pictures on Walls, by slippy on Dec 3, 2006 2:37:08 GMT 1, Some of these prints are 5 years old, sometimes more. People who enjoy seeing different art, regardless of financial value, will always pick up something more valuable...having art you love hung on the wall. I think the time spent looking at some of these things, is better spent on other artists with huge talent and no hype...
Some of these prints are 5 years old, sometimes more. People who enjoy seeing different art, regardless of financial value, will always pick up something more valuable...having art you love hung on the wall. I think the time spent looking at some of these things, is better spent on other artists with huge talent and no hype...
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POW Pictures on Walls, by twigboy on Dec 3, 2006 2:52:18 GMT 1, Yeah... like the art hanging on the walls, and not in the racks!
Who cares if you had to queue, or even there was security... it was Oxford St.
On the frist day or Sad Christmas Shopping... They had to do that, or the police would
have closed the whole thing down... I raise my warm glass of mulled wine to the guys
at POW and say... Thanks... you showed London's white walled galleries how to put
a show on.
Yeah... like the art hanging on the walls, and not in the racks!
Who cares if you had to queue, or even there was security... it was Oxford St.
On the frist day or Sad Christmas Shopping... They had to do that, or the police would
have closed the whole thing down... I raise my warm glass of mulled wine to the guys
at POW and say... Thanks... you showed London's white walled galleries how to put
a show on.
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POW Pictures on Walls, by mido on Dec 3, 2006 2:55:17 GMT 1, Not the Astoria was it? :-)
London was horrible today, full stop. horrible, horrible. full of mindless sheep (sorry all sheep - not fair reallt being compared to mindless humans) wandering around going on about presents, and arguing, and seeming to have no purpose in life at all. Still lots of tourists around as well.
It's not just SG that is rammed. It was all of central london.
I couldn't stand it and decanted myself to the east end, to wander around with no crowds and real people. There is no law that says you have to queue up to go into a shop, to see why the fuck you were queuing anyway (UHHHHH? )
Like it or not the Banksy Madness is at it's height, and his name is linked with the Ghetto and POW. There's obviously going to be much more interest this year than in previous, cos more people have heard of them now. Next week, yes it'll still be busy and a lot of the stuff will be gone, but it will be less busy as there won't be so many "I read about that in the paper today, let's go in and have a look"* punters, and there will probably be different stuff in. If I was in a purchasing position there's no way I'd be trying to do it in Week 1 of this year's Ghetto, let alone on Day 1. Anyone who chose, themselves, to travel hundreds of miles at the crack of dawn on what was obviously going to be a completely mental day possibly didn't think things through properly. The reality has come as a letdown after all the anticipation. So some people got armfuls of tubes and some people got nothing at all... Yes it's "not fair", but neither's life in general. Everyone just needs to take a chill pill. *heard more than once last night while I was standing outside Virgin, smoking fags and waiting for my gig-buddy to show up.
Not the Astoria was it? :-) London was horrible today, full stop. horrible, horrible. full of mindless sheep (sorry all sheep - not fair reallt being compared to mindless humans) wandering around going on about presents, and arguing, and seeming to have no purpose in life at all. Still lots of tourists around as well. It's not just SG that is rammed. It was all of central london. I couldn't stand it and decanted myself to the east end, to wander around with no crowds and real people. There is no law that says you have to queue up to go into a shop, to see why the fuck you were queuing anyway (UHHHHH? ) Like it or not the Banksy Madness is at it's height, and his name is linked with the Ghetto and POW. There's obviously going to be much more interest this year than in previous, cos more people have heard of them now. Next week, yes it'll still be busy and a lot of the stuff will be gone, but it will be less busy as there won't be so many "I read about that in the paper today, let's go in and have a look"* punters, and there will probably be different stuff in. If I was in a purchasing position there's no way I'd be trying to do it in Week 1 of this year's Ghetto, let alone on Day 1. Anyone who chose, themselves, to travel hundreds of miles at the crack of dawn on what was obviously going to be a completely mental day possibly didn't think things through properly. The reality has come as a letdown after all the anticipation. So some people got armfuls of tubes and some people got nothing at all... Yes it's "not fair", but neither's life in general. Everyone just needs to take a chill pill. *heard more than once last night while I was standing outside Virgin, smoking fags and waiting for my gig-buddy to show up. |
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POW Pictures on Walls, by RBK on Dec 3, 2006 3:16:09 GMT 1, no conspiracy theory! The popularity of the prints drives the secondary market. Over inflated print prices (on eBay mainly) underpin the prices of original works. The more hype you create at the bottom of the market, the more the prices go up at the exclusive end. Add to that who owns POW and bingo! You've got a nice little self-perpetuating money machine. You lose a little money on the one hand (and let small time dealers make it instead) and reap the considerably bigger rewards on the other.
Afroken - couldn't agree more! Many people on this forum have NO IDEA how interrelated Banksy, LAZ & POW are. Add to that the people that were very early collectors - looking to maintain the value of their original pieces.
Laz is one of the principles in POW - some post proved that a while ago. While on the lazinc.com website semantically it is true that the Laz gallery (as a company) has no affiliation with POW, it's owner Steve Lazarides is a part owner of POW. All parties involved are geniuses at marketing/business. While I think the POW principles are noble (we all know they could sell prints directly to galleries) so stop your bitching everyone. However, I also agree that at the end of the day they don't care too much who ends up with the prints or what they are selling for on Ebay. The typical consumer interested in buying a print, even in the 1-2K range, is in another league compared to someone buying an original. All the hype, stunts, excessive demand for prints, chaos at SG, etc. fuels the fire - and thus ultimately makes certain people extremely rich. Okay rant over...
Let's enjoy the art, the new artists we have all been introduced to, and be able to remember all this madness/hype when we are old and can barely see all prints that adorn our walls.
no conspiracy theory! The popularity of the prints drives the secondary market. Over inflated print prices (on eBay mainly) underpin the prices of original works. The more hype you create at the bottom of the market, the more the prices go up at the exclusive end. Add to that who owns POW and bingo! You've got a nice little self-perpetuating money machine. You lose a little money on the one hand (and let small time dealers make it instead) and reap the considerably bigger rewards on the other. Afroken - couldn't agree more! Many people on this forum have NO IDEA how interrelated Banksy, LAZ & POW are. Add to that the people that were very early collectors - looking to maintain the value of their original pieces. Laz is one of the principles in POW - some post proved that a while ago. While on the lazinc.com website semantically it is true that the Laz gallery (as a company) has no affiliation with POW, it's owner Steve Lazarides is a part owner of POW. All parties involved are geniuses at marketing/business. While I think the POW principles are noble (we all know they could sell prints directly to galleries) so stop your bitching everyone. However, I also agree that at the end of the day they don't care too much who ends up with the prints or what they are selling for on Ebay. The typical consumer interested in buying a print, even in the 1-2K range, is in another league compared to someone buying an original. All the hype, stunts, excessive demand for prints, chaos at SG, etc. fuels the fire - and thus ultimately makes certain people extremely rich. Okay rant over... Let's enjoy the art, the new artists we have all been introduced to, and be able to remember all this madness/hype when we are old and can barely see all prints that adorn our walls. |
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POW Pictures on Walls, by BK83 on Dec 3, 2006 8:00:47 GMT 1, In the madness of it all, I think I am starting to get a bitter taste in my mouth about POW and LAz and so on -- it really does all seem to be part of one giant machine that they always said it wasn'.... I can still say that I would love to get over and take a look at the ghetto first hand, but alas, two things stand in my way. I am in NY and; I dont have any money anyway so I couldnt even get a print if I wanted to -- On second thought -- I think Im just happy with putting my own artwork up on my walls -- that way I dont have to worry about which new 'Print' I have or what it costs on eBay ....
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In the madness of it all, I think I am starting to get a bitter taste in my mouth about POW and LAz and so on -- it really does all seem to be part of one giant machine that they always said it wasn'.... I can still say that I would love to get over and take a look at the ghetto first hand, but alas, two things stand in my way. I am in NY and; I dont have any money anyway so I couldnt even get a print if I wanted to -- On second thought -- I think Im just happy with putting my own artwork up on my walls -- that way I dont have to worry about which new 'Print' I have or what it costs on eBay ....
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gbh
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POW Pictures on Walls, by gbh on Dec 3, 2006 9:05:33 GMT 1, In all honesty, I tend to agree with the current sentiment here.
It's getting pretty ordinary.
I do find myself buying more from other artists/galleries.
Customer service from POW is ordinary to say the least. I'm not saying I want VIP treatment or anything but I have an order worth several hundred pounds that was ordered two months back and still has not been received.
I'm emailing and calling every second day (from Australia) and until this day have not even managed to get a single reply.
I feel there do need to be some minimum standards in general day to day business.
They may well be good at marketing and print making but there are many other areas of a complete business that need to work well for it to be a success.
I do not believe those areas are currently working well (or at all) at POW currently.
Going by the feedback I have seen coming out of SG this year, they continue to not do themself any favours.
In reality though, it's tough shit for us. Would you prefer to buy off eBay at wildly overblown prices?
Life goes on (but I do want my bloody prints! Where the hell are they POW!).
In all honesty, I tend to agree with the current sentiment here.
It's getting pretty ordinary.
I do find myself buying more from other artists/galleries.
Customer service from POW is ordinary to say the least. I'm not saying I want VIP treatment or anything but I have an order worth several hundred pounds that was ordered two months back and still has not been received.
I'm emailing and calling every second day (from Australia) and until this day have not even managed to get a single reply.
I feel there do need to be some minimum standards in general day to day business.
They may well be good at marketing and print making but there are many other areas of a complete business that need to work well for it to be a success.
I do not believe those areas are currently working well (or at all) at POW currently.
Going by the feedback I have seen coming out of SG this year, they continue to not do themself any favours.
In reality though, it's tough shit for us. Would you prefer to buy off eBay at wildly overblown prices?
Life goes on (but I do want my bloody prints! Where the hell are they POW!).
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gm
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POW Pictures on Walls, by gm on Dec 3, 2006 9:39:39 GMT 1, Not the Astoria was it? :-)
No, It was one of those rare occasions these days where I wasn't being twice as old as everyone else in the audience (and on the stage) This time we did mostly see John Otway at the 100 club. Everyone needs to experience his totally unique brand of mad genius at least once in their lifetime ;D
Next week, however, I will be being thee sad old git again:
www.tiscali.co.uk/music/showcase/london_showcase_06_12_06.html
;D ;D ;D
Not the Astoria was it? :-) No, It was one of those rare occasions these days where I wasn't being twice as old as everyone else in the audience (and on the stage) This time we did mostly see John Otway at the 100 club. Everyone needs to experience his totally unique brand of mad genius at least once in their lifetime ;D Next week, however, I will be being thee sad old git again: www.tiscali.co.uk/music/showcase/london_showcase_06_12_06.html ;D ;D ;D |
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gm
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POW Pictures on Walls, by gm on Dec 3, 2006 9:41:33 GMT 1, Some of these prints are 5 years old, sometimes more. People who enjoy seeing different art, regardless of financial value, will always pick up something more valuable...having art you love hung on the wall. I think the time spent looking at some of these things, is better spent on other artists with huge talent and no hype...
*cough*Nick Raybould*cough*Jane Tomlinson*cough*
Some of these prints are 5 years old, sometimes more. People who enjoy seeing different art, regardless of financial value, will always pick up something more valuable...having art you love hung on the wall. I think the time spent looking at some of these things, is better spent on other artists with huge talent and no hype... *cough*Nick Raybould*cough*Jane Tomlinson*cough* |
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POW Pictures on Walls, by reados on Dec 3, 2006 10:27:05 GMT 1, i agree with the fact are people missing the point. People moaning cause they cant get the same image in a different colour this year and are missing all the new guys that are on show , i have just been llooking at pics from show on here, there are some great new artist and some new ones (titty pincher? look real good) and by original pow artists such as fowler etc.
and any of my coments are made by sitting here in cornwall without actually getting to SG so take them as you will.
i agree with the fact are people missing the point. People moaning cause they cant get the same image in a different colour this year and are missing all the new guys that are on show , i have just been llooking at pics from show on here, there are some great new artist and some new ones (titty pincher? look real good) and by original pow artists such as fowler etc.
and any of my coments are made by sitting here in cornwall without actually getting to SG so take them as you will.
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Run Pig Run
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POW Pictures on Walls, by Run Pig Run on Dec 3, 2006 11:09:34 GMT 1, I just think it's time for POW to roll over and admit defeat - it's not a small printers anymore it's a big business and more staff are needed. you can't use the fact you are busy as an excuse forever.
I just think it's time for POW to roll over and admit defeat - it's not a small printers anymore it's a big business and more staff are needed. you can't use the fact you are busy as an excuse forever.
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POW Pictures on Walls, by foundation on Dec 3, 2006 12:22:16 GMT 1, No, I think some of you are missing the point.... Santas Ghetto 1 - 2 and 3 years ago where great. and this years show has been one of there best... Hey man, they bombed Oxford Street with some of the most amazing art around... (Looks like most of you missed that and went staight to the racks of prints and are now crying like sad children that missed out on your mum and dad not giving you that buzz light year 5 years ago) All you people out there who think its about buying prints have got it so wrong!!!... Your the sad ones who have made it like this... when actually, your all living in the bubble... Ahhh, remember the days when you could pick up a canvas for ยฃ85, you still can, but most of you are more bothered about buying and selling prints than the art there actually selling... open your eyes, and smell the reallity of it all, check the cutting edge political commentry... and then decide if you really want another colour way of a 5 year old Elius image....
Top words and sentiments Goose, for whatever fool decided to start the anti POW thread, please remember its a free country and your sentiments are as welcome as anyone elses, but for goodness sakes, stop crying, bitching and moaning, if you dont like it, go somewhere else to invest, oooh sorry you really are long term fans, i forgot everyone here has been collecting since 1983 when banksy was in primary 3 and you noticed his tallent ....
The strength of art on show at the ghetto is outstanding, it just seems a shame so many missed out on it because they were ensconsed at the prints counter, if the exhibit was somewhere else from the sales booth, i seriously doubt that there would be queues to get in. If you dont like it just walk away, POW were here long before us, they will be here long after our breif flirtation with the art world has fizzled out and we go back to collecting eggcups.
There isn't a great conspiracy, no one is out to get anyone on a personal level, and as someone pointed out, it is you who has spoilt it, this talk of older collectors trying to protect the value of their collections is utter tosh, the bubble has bust, the games over, its time to go home.. in another couple of months the prices will settle back to what they were before the boom, most will move onto the next big thing, with brand new grannies and applauses sat in the back of some besuited sheeps cupboard, forgotten.
No, I think some of you are missing the point.... Santas Ghetto 1 - 2 and 3 years ago where great. and this years show has been one of there best... Hey man, they bombed Oxford Street with some of the most amazing art around... (Looks like most of you missed that and went staight to the racks of prints and are now crying like sad children that missed out on your mum and dad not giving you that buzz light year 5 years ago) All you people out there who think its about buying prints have got it so wrong!!!... Your the sad ones who have made it like this... when actually, your all living in the bubble... Ahhh, remember the days when you could pick up a canvas for ยฃ85, you still can, but most of you are more bothered about buying and selling prints than the art there actually selling... open your eyes, and smell the reallity of it all, check the cutting edge political commentry... and then decide if you really want another colour way of a 5 year old Elius image.... Top words and sentiments Goose, for whatever fool decided to start the anti POW thread, please remember its a free country and your sentiments are as welcome as anyone elses, but for goodness sakes, stop crying, bitching and moaning, if you dont like it, go somewhere else to invest, oooh sorry you really are long term fans, i forgot everyone here has been collecting since 1983 when banksy was in primary 3 and you noticed his tallent .... The strength of art on show at the ghetto is outstanding, it just seems a shame so many missed out on it because they were ensconsed at the prints counter, if the exhibit was somewhere else from the sales booth, i seriously doubt that there would be queues to get in. If you dont like it just walk away, POW were here long before us, they will be here long after our breif flirtation with the art world has fizzled out and we go back to collecting eggcups. There isn't a great conspiracy, no one is out to get anyone on a personal level, and as someone pointed out, it is you who has spoilt it, this talk of older collectors trying to protect the value of their collections is utter tosh, the bubble has bust, the games over, its time to go home.. in another couple of months the prices will settle back to what they were before the boom, most will move onto the next big thing, with brand new grannies and applauses sat in the back of some besuited sheeps cupboard, forgotten. |
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Curley
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POW Pictures on Walls, by Curley on Dec 3, 2006 12:45:34 GMT 1, At the end of the day people no one is forcing you to buy from POW.
If your not happy with the service or what it stands for go elsewhere. The are a million other artists and galleries out there.
Its not Tesco's or Harrods its a mail order print company trying to put affordable art in the hands of the people. Who seem to be victums of their own success.
At the end of the day people no one is forcing you to buy from POW.
If your not happy with the service or what it stands for go elsewhere. The are a million other artists and galleries out there.
Its not Tesco's or Harrods its a mail order print company trying to put affordable art in the hands of the people. Who seem to be victums of their own success.
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