English is not his first language. Hopefully he can clarify, because I'm not quite following either.

I know. Sorry for my very bad English. I try again to write..but I do not think you will understand much more.
If I'm interested in just an image, I can print this from my computer without spending money. I buy only active investment, not passive. if the print was not sold out i understand who critics badly it, but if a print in a matter of minutes has been sold out probably the problem is not in the progress of the artist but in the wishes of someone for to destroy what him have not bought or are not able to buy. . in any case there are negative criticisms that can build an evolution, and criticisms shooted too easily just for to destroy.

DRAN did draw that image so he OBVIOUSLY believe it was a good one at the time, no matter what some of us think of it (or not) ;-) He (and POW) only knows why he chose that one out of so many other good ones but even though I said I agree it's not his best, I still believe it's a very decent one in the current Crisis environment... As far as I know they all sold anyway and at a decent price so whether (a majority of) this Forum likes it or not is probably the least of his concern if you ask me ;-)

Ling, if I wanted this print only as an investment, I would not have tried to buy it after the pow release, but before. I do not speak well, fortunately, the art has no language and knows how to speak to the deaf mutes, and this print has spoken to me and made me think about all the problems that are going through many countries due to the global crisis. In any case, as recite the title of another dran's print .. free speech.

I agree. The colours are more balanced and it's not so grey and dreary. Plus for some reason, the comedy of it seems to work better when you can't see the ceiling ties. Like it's come out of nowhere.

As you were.

Still a pretty poor news paper cartoon though!

This looks better in the paper than on screen - I'm actually quite impressed with it. Shame its so big, as its going to cost a fortune to frame, but its not the car crash that I thought it might be.

Its rolled up at work, so I'll try when I get home. Will still be on a screen though

Pictures please!!!

Nope, mine isn't here yet.... And it's only coming across London

Really like it in the flesh.

Hey mylilly you have touched on a interesting point which (personally I disagree with) but was wondering what the foru&m thought about the following two statements?

1) "When does a piece of graphic design/illustration become art" 
2) "Graphic designers/illustrators are not artists"  

Think Shepard Fairey, ESPO, Kai&Sunny, Faile etc... They are all essentially graphic designers/illustrators but we also consider them and their work as artists and art, respectively.

Could I convince you that they are not mutually exclusive entities? i.e. A piece intended as a work of graphic design can also be a piece of art as well, and vice versa.   

In your opinion Dran is like Larson - I disagree...the difference with Dran is, some of his works can be interpreted easily like an illustration, but they are also always works of art ...if you look into Dran's background in Toulouse, his method, his approach to his work, his psyche, the processes he uses, they are all things we recognise with artists. i.e. not only is it about the concept, but also the process, finish and presentation, that when combined makes a piece a work of art.

Satire, social & political commentary and wit are not the sole remit of the newspaper cartoon illustrator...they have been fundamental inspirational tools of pretty much every artist.

I also have to disagree with your comment about Dran's work not possessing any emotion...that was the fundamental basis of a lot of his early work...which was pretty dark...generally evoking a sense of revulsion and unease in the viewer... 
  
Anyway, one thing I agree with you on is Gary Larson is easy to get - which is only the case because Larson is also a genius when it comes to observational humour.





 

I think I know what you want to say (that there is no objective reality), but you are not saying it very well here.

why thankyou kind sir