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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by brookesjoe on Apr 15, 2013 12:50:34 GMT 1, Its not nice is it. On an asthetic front that edition printing is so anemic and bland, they've lost what little charm they had. OUCH - prints are far from bland there beauties, man u can be harsh...... but hey it all opinions we all have one..
Its not nice is it. On an asthetic front that edition printing is so anemic and bland, they've lost what little charm they had. OUCH - prints are far from bland there beauties, man u can be harsh...... but hey it all opinions we all have one.. I mean look at the street work, raw and rough, thats whats appealing about it, (look at BASTS originals and editions) nice street feeling work on your wall, without that it just looks like a photoshopped screen print. Lifeless, a lot like the old BAST prints at POW. |
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by Graffiti Prints on Apr 15, 2013 16:04:47 GMT 1, [/quote]I mean look at the street work, raw and rough, thats whats appealing about it, (look at BASTS originals and editions) nice street feeling work on your wall, without that it just looks like a photoshopped screen print. Lifeless, a lot like the old BAST prints at POW.
yeah i can see that and agree these are clean and bright certainly not raw, although he did take the black and white ones to hand finish in acrylics 17 in total, as mentioned early in the thread.
we are tempted to put the black layer back over them again so you see all the thick brush strokes etc under the black like the bast popeye prints one of my all time fav prints....
bast, faile and co. are in another league work wise and price wise........
[/quote]I mean look at the street work, raw and rough, thats whats appealing about it, (look at BASTS originals and editions) nice street feeling work on your wall, without that it just looks like a photoshopped screen print. Lifeless, a lot like the old BAST prints at POW.
yeah i can see that and agree these are clean and bright certainly not raw, although he did take the black and white ones to hand finish in acrylics 17 in total, as mentioned early in the thread.
we are tempted to put the black layer back over them again so you see all the thick brush strokes etc under the black like the bast popeye prints one of my all time fav prints....
bast, faile and co. are in another league work wise and price wise........
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by kultur on Apr 15, 2013 18:08:36 GMT 1, well proven point... bet that took a while and it was great to see.
well proven point... bet that took a while and it was great to see.
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 21:18:20 GMT 1, 7nothing loved seeing the obvious link between BAST and Basquiat/Warhol etc
Cheers!
7nothing loved seeing the obvious link between BAST and Basquiat/Warhol etc
Cheers!
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by AxB on Apr 15, 2013 21:57:18 GMT 1, hey 7nothing
a good point well made and beautifully illustrated
i wouldnt disagree that bast has been influenced by those that have come before
but i also think its fair to argue that he has produced a large body of work, much of which doesnt show such obvious nods to his influences, thinking about some of the raw and nasty street work, the scrap sculptures, the heads etc.
where as I dont think I've ever seen a piece of work from ace that doesnt directly rip on bast to some degree.
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hey 7nothing
a good point well made and beautifully illustrated
i wouldnt disagree that bast has been influenced by those that have come before
but i also think its fair to argue that he has produced a large body of work, much of which doesnt show such obvious nods to his influences, thinking about some of the raw and nasty street work, the scrap sculptures, the heads etc.
where as I dont think I've ever seen a piece of work from ace that doesnt directly rip on bast to some degree.
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 23:12:00 GMT 1, hey 7nothing a good point well made and beautifully illustrated i wouldnt disagree that bast has been influenced by those that have come before but i also think its fair to argue that he has produced a large body of work, much of which doesnt show such obvious nods to his influences, thinking about some of the raw and nasty street work, the scrap sculptures, the heads etc. where as I dont think I've ever seen a piece of work from ace that doesnt directly rip on bast to some degree. x
That was just the tip of the iceberg. I don't have time to go into it as in depth but I can also go back pull up many images that connect Bast scrap sculptures to the street sculptures from artists such as Bokov and others. This include African masks I have come across at museums.
My point is it's all been done before. Some are just better and taking a little bit from here and there and maybe hiding it better. Whereas, others might not have as looked at as much art and have less influence to be able to draw from.
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hey 7nothing a good point well made and beautifully illustrated i wouldnt disagree that bast has been influenced by those that have come before but i also think its fair to argue that he has produced a large body of work, much of which doesnt show such obvious nods to his influences, thinking about some of the raw and nasty street work, the scrap sculptures, the heads etc. where as I dont think I've ever seen a piece of work from ace that doesnt directly rip on bast to some degree. x That was just the tip of the iceberg. I don't have time to go into it as in depth but I can also go back pull up many images that connect Bast scrap sculptures to the street sculptures from artists such as Bokov and others. This include African masks I have come across at museums. My point is it's all been done before. Some are just better and taking a little bit from here and there and maybe hiding it better. Whereas, others might not have as looked at as much art and have less influence to be able to draw from. Bokov Bast Outsider art from 1972 African art Bast |
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by Sweetcorn on Apr 15, 2013 23:45:57 GMT 1, @7 I hear ya but my original point is that ace is just a bast rip off Not that bast was a art ripoff That still remains . Your points are well made but that's your point not mine. Mine still stands that he is passing his art off as bast. Not that bast has a good art history knowledge and knows a bit about art from other cultures. Shame ace doesn't -
@7 I hear ya but my original point is that ace is just a bast rip off Not that bast was a art ripoff That still remains . Your points are well made but that's your point not mine. Mine still stands that he is passing his art off as bast. Not that bast has a good art history knowledge and knows a bit about art from other cultures. Shame ace doesn't - So is Rae , So what ? |
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 23:53:12 GMT 1, That's the nature of art hey..this myth about the lone genius is just that, a myth, really well illustrated point though and places BΓ€st amongst good company.. slightly different in that he places his work in the street and apart from Samo, none of those illustrated did.. but yes, a solid NYC link too. Traditionally street artists didn't consciously draw from art history, or attempt to follow that modernist narrative hey, it's the art "industry" that eventually did that.. still, Ace or whatever he's called is a lot further away from BΓ€st...than BΓ€st is from anyone else you listed.
Nice thread, cheers
That's the nature of art hey..this myth about the lone genius is just that, a myth, really well illustrated point though and places BΓ€st amongst good company.. slightly different in that he places his work in the street and apart from Samo, none of those illustrated did.. but yes, a solid NYC link too. Traditionally street artists didn't consciously draw from art history, or attempt to follow that modernist narrative hey, it's the art "industry" that eventually did that.. still, Ace or whatever he's called is a lot further away from BΓ€st...than BΓ€st is from anyone else you listed.
Nice thread, cheers
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by nah on Apr 16, 2013 0:04:50 GMT 1, surely your point becomes moot when you show bast drawing inspiration from so many different places? to me that's part of what makes his work so appealing; he chews up all the culture in his proximity and spits out the garbled result. not the first to do so, but his work is unmistakably his
with ace we're just getting a second hand interpretation of that process. what's more (assuming he's never lived in NYC) it means his work is inherently a representation of a culture he isn't familiar with. and swapping a pan am logo for a evening standard one doesn't quite change that (though it did make me laugh)
surely your point becomes moot when you show bast drawing inspiration from so many different places? to me that's part of what makes his work so appealing; he chews up all the culture in his proximity and spits out the garbled result. not the first to do so, but his work is unmistakably his
with ace we're just getting a second hand interpretation of that process. what's more (assuming he's never lived in NYC) it means his work is inherently a representation of a culture he isn't familiar with. and swapping a pan am logo for a evening standard one doesn't quite change that (though it did make me laugh)
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 0:28:02 GMT 1, surely your point becomes moot when you show bast drawing inspiration from so many different places? to me that's part of what makes his work so appealing; he chews up all the culture in his proximity and spits out the garbled result. not the first to do so, but his work is unmistakably his with ace we're just getting a second hand interpretation of that process. what's more (assuming he's never lived in NYC) it means his work is inherently a representation of a culture he isn't familiar with. and swapping a pan am logo for a evening standard one doesn't quite change that (though it did make me laugh)
I think my points been clearly made. Spin it how you wish.
We all can justify levels or right or wrong to prove our case. My point was all artists are influenced. Some are more clever about it.
And as for Sweetcorn's comment on Rae's work. I see similararities but they are different IMO and going in different directions. Rae's work has more humor. In case you didn't know Bast and Rae are childhood friends and grew up making art together. Rae used to also work with Bast in his studio.
surely your point becomes moot when you show bast drawing inspiration from so many different places? to me that's part of what makes his work so appealing; he chews up all the culture in his proximity and spits out the garbled result. not the first to do so, but his work is unmistakably his with ace we're just getting a second hand interpretation of that process. what's more (assuming he's never lived in NYC) it means his work is inherently a representation of a culture he isn't familiar with. and swapping a pan am logo for a evening standard one doesn't quite change that (though it did make me laugh) I think my points been clearly made. Spin it how you wish. We all can justify levels or right or wrong to prove our case. My point was all artists are influenced. Some are more clever about it. And as for Sweetcorn's comment on Rae's work. I see similararities but they are different IMO and going in different directions. Rae's work has more humor. In case you didn't know Bast and Rae are childhood friends and grew up making art together. Rae used to also work with Bast in his studio. |
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by nah on Apr 16, 2013 13:08:50 GMT 1, surely your point becomes moot when you show bast drawing inspiration from so many different places? to me that's part of what makes his work so appealing; he chews up all the culture in his proximity and spits out the garbled result. not the first to do so, but his work is unmistakably his with ace we're just getting a second hand interpretation of that process. what's more (assuming he's never lived in NYC) it means his work is inherently a representation of a culture he isn't familiar with. and swapping a pan am logo for a evening standard one doesn't quite change that (though it did make me laugh) I think my points been clearly made. Spin it how you wish. We all can justify levels or right or wrong to prove our case. My point was all artists are influenced. Some are more clever about it.
with respect your point feels redundant, particularly in the case of warhol - what artists (even in this scene alone) haven't benefited from his groundwork? his fingerprints are all over the place, including on that koons piece. the difference is that banksy, kaws, bast, d*face, fairey and so on take his influence and move it to different places, some more successfully than others. they make it theirs; that's how things moves forward. aces work doesnt even make an attempt to do that, which is why the reaction is so negative
surely your point becomes moot when you show bast drawing inspiration from so many different places? to me that's part of what makes his work so appealing; he chews up all the culture in his proximity and spits out the garbled result. not the first to do so, but his work is unmistakably his with ace we're just getting a second hand interpretation of that process. what's more (assuming he's never lived in NYC) it means his work is inherently a representation of a culture he isn't familiar with. and swapping a pan am logo for a evening standard one doesn't quite change that (though it did make me laugh) I think my points been clearly made. Spin it how you wish. We all can justify levels or right or wrong to prove our case. My point was all artists are influenced. Some are more clever about it. with respect your point feels redundant, particularly in the case of warhol - what artists (even in this scene alone) haven't benefited from his groundwork? his fingerprints are all over the place, including on that koons piece. the difference is that banksy, kaws, bast, d*face, fairey and so on take his influence and move it to different places, some more successfully than others. they make it theirs; that's how things moves forward. aces work doesnt even make an attempt to do that, which is why the reaction is so negative |
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by twist65 on Apr 16, 2013 13:52:25 GMT 1, I think it's pretty fair to assume that all artists are inspired/draw reference from other art/artists they like. For me Bast puts all his influences through the rinser and spews out something which is totally in his own style, there are many other collage artists and people doing similar things referencing the same influences but there is something unmistakable "Bast" about his work which for me makes it stand out a mile..
If I were A.CE i'd have spent a lot more time working on his own style, everyone has to start from somewhere and there's no shame in your early work wearing its influences on its sleeve so to speak, but A.CE has been around long enough now that surely he should be developing rather than sticking to the watered-down Bast formula. His new Maxwell Colette show even includes work with huge Chanel logos worked into the image, i'd be embarrassed if I were him.
I think Hush is a great example of an artist who's early work was quite easy to see traces of other artists work in, but by pushing himself and working hard has kind of developed a visual language of his own that is very identifyable. So it can be done if you're not lazy. I'm sure there's plenty of other/better examples too.
I'm not dissing this print as I quite like it, and looks well produced, but for me even though its an old image A.CE should be pushing himself more. I like it because I like Bast, but prefer the real thing rather than a tribute act!
I think it's pretty fair to assume that all artists are inspired/draw reference from other art/artists they like. For me Bast puts all his influences through the rinser and spews out something which is totally in his own style, there are many other collage artists and people doing similar things referencing the same influences but there is something unmistakable "Bast" about his work which for me makes it stand out a mile..
If I were A.CE i'd have spent a lot more time working on his own style, everyone has to start from somewhere and there's no shame in your early work wearing its influences on its sleeve so to speak, but A.CE has been around long enough now that surely he should be developing rather than sticking to the watered-down Bast formula. His new Maxwell Colette show even includes work with huge Chanel logos worked into the image, i'd be embarrassed if I were him.
I think Hush is a great example of an artist who's early work was quite easy to see traces of other artists work in, but by pushing himself and working hard has kind of developed a visual language of his own that is very identifyable. So it can be done if you're not lazy. I'm sure there's plenty of other/better examples too.
I'm not dissing this print as I quite like it, and looks well produced, but for me even though its an old image A.CE should be pushing himself more. I like it because I like Bast, but prefer the real thing rather than a tribute act!
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by Weegis on Apr 16, 2013 19:56:39 GMT 1, I think it's pretty fair to assume that all artists are inspired/draw reference from other art/artists they like. For me Bast puts all his influences through the rinser and spews out something which is totally in his own style, there are many other collage artists and people doing similar things referencing the same influences but there is something unmistakable "Bast" about his work which for me makes it stand out a mile.. If I were A.CE i'd have spent a lot more time working on his own style, everyone has to start from somewhere and there's no shame in your early work wearing its influences on its sleeve so to speak, but A.CE has been around long enough now that surely he should be developing rather than sticking to the watered-down Bast formula. His new Maxwell Colette show even includes work with huge Chanel logos worked into the image, i'd be embarrassed if I were him. I think Hush is a great example of an artist who's early work was quite easy to see traces of other artists work in, but by pushing himself and working hard has kind of developed a visual language of his own that is very identifyable. So it can be done if you're not lazy. I'm sure there's plenty of other/better examples too. I'm not dissing this print as I quite like it, and looks well produced, but for me even though its an old image A.CE should be pushing himself more. I like it because I like Bast, but prefer the real thing rather than a tribute act!
Hush is a great example to make - I was never crazy of the anime style in earlier work, but love the output of the last few years. He's really developed and I look forward to future works.
A.CE - The artist is no MBW when it comes to unoriginality, but this style is too similar to Bast. I do like the print btw, but I think I like it because it reminds me of Bast.
and speaking of unmistakable Bast - how'd the framing go twist? 
I think it's pretty fair to assume that all artists are inspired/draw reference from other art/artists they like. For me Bast puts all his influences through the rinser and spews out something which is totally in his own style, there are many other collage artists and people doing similar things referencing the same influences but there is something unmistakable "Bast" about his work which for me makes it stand out a mile.. If I were A.CE i'd have spent a lot more time working on his own style, everyone has to start from somewhere and there's no shame in your early work wearing its influences on its sleeve so to speak, but A.CE has been around long enough now that surely he should be developing rather than sticking to the watered-down Bast formula. His new Maxwell Colette show even includes work with huge Chanel logos worked into the image, i'd be embarrassed if I were him. I think Hush is a great example of an artist who's early work was quite easy to see traces of other artists work in, but by pushing himself and working hard has kind of developed a visual language of his own that is very identifyable. So it can be done if you're not lazy. I'm sure there's plenty of other/better examples too. I'm not dissing this print as I quite like it, and looks well produced, but for me even though its an old image A.CE should be pushing himself more. I like it because I like Bast, but prefer the real thing rather than a tribute act! Very well put! Hush is a great example to make - I was never crazy of the anime style in earlier work, but love the output of the last few years. He's really developed and I look forward to future works. A.CE - The artist is no MBW when it comes to unoriginality, but this style is too similar to Bast. I do like the print btw, but I think I like it because it reminds me of Bast. and speaking of unmistakable Bast - how'd the framing go twist? |
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by twist65 on Apr 17, 2013 9:05:51 GMT 1, Ha thanks Weegis - I pick it up on Friday! Can't wait, will send u pics as soon as she's landed! =]
Ha thanks Weegis - I pick it up on Friday! Can't wait, will send u pics as soon as she's landed! =]
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by Warm Gun on Apr 17, 2013 17:27:16 GMT 1, I really like the print for what it is, bold colourful and a bit of fun. I might go as far as actually buying it. Still a blatant rip off however you dress it.
I really like the print for what it is, bold colourful and a bit of fun. I might go as far as actually buying it. Still a blatant rip off however you dress it.
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by Someones Brain on Apr 18, 2013 15:16:33 GMT 1, These are up at the galleries' webshop together with two - now three - more test prints. Couldn't resist even though it might be a bit of a rip-off. The cheap guy I am I bought the two color print on gold paper.
These are up at the galleries' webshop together with two - now three - more test prints. Couldn't resist even though it might be a bit of a rip-off. The cheap guy I am I bought the two color print on gold paper. |
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by robertjones on Apr 19, 2013 7:47:47 GMT 1, Could someone put a link to the shop plz
Could someone put a link to the shop plz
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by robertjones on Apr 19, 2013 8:01:05 GMT 1, Thanks fingerz appreciate it.
Thanks fingerz appreciate it.
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by Pistol on Apr 19, 2013 8:12:43 GMT 1, Its not nice is it. On an asthetic front that edition printing is so anemic and bland, they've lost what little charm they had. OUCH - prints are far from bland there beauties, man u can be harsh...... but hey it all opinions we all have one..
How the hell did 'Man U' become involved in this discussion? ;-)
Its not nice is it. On an asthetic front that edition printing is so anemic and bland, they've lost what little charm they had. OUCH - prints are far from bland there beauties, man u can be harsh...... but hey it all opinions we all have one.. How the hell did 'Man U' become involved in this discussion? ;-) |
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by alexnh123 on Apr 21, 2013 19:21:52 GMT 1, that gold print is really something.
that gold print is really something.
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by Someones Brain on May 8, 2013 21:08:43 GMT 1, Did anyone who bought an ACE Duck print receive their shipment yet? I'm still waiting (in continental Europe though) ...
Did anyone who bought an ACE Duck print receive their shipment yet? I'm still waiting (in continental Europe though) ...
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by Graffiti Prints on May 8, 2013 21:59:30 GMT 1, This should be there by now if u pm your details we will sort it
This should be there by now if u pm your details we will sort it
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by Someones Brain on May 10, 2013 10:02:33 GMT 1, This should be there by now if u pm your details we will sort it
I sent you a PM and an email. Thanks for taking care of my order.
This should be there by now if u pm your details we will sort it I sent you a PM and an email. Thanks for taking care of my order. |
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by Someones Brain on May 10, 2013 12:14:25 GMT 1, Problem solved. Found the poster tube waiting for me in a parcel shop (quite far away). Many thanks to Graffiti Prints for your help in tracking it down.
Problem solved. Found the poster tube waiting for me in a parcel shop (quite far away). Many thanks to Graffiti Prints for your help in tracking it down. |
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by Someones Brain on May 10, 2013 20:58:21 GMT 1, I know this print got a lot of critical comments. I had a look at the print at home in the meantime and it looks great. My son (6) loves it, thus the wife put it on top of the framing list and everyone is happy. So overall, that's probably the best purchase in a long time.
I know this print got a lot of critical comments. I had a look at the print at home in the meantime and it looks great. My son (6) loves it, thus the wife put it on top of the framing list and everyone is happy. So overall, that's probably the best purchase in a long time. |
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by alexnh123 on May 20, 2013 20:15:01 GMT 1, umming and arring, shouldn't have slept on those gold colour ones 
Anyone seen the white colour one in person?
umming and arring, shouldn't have slept on those gold colour ones Anyone seen the white colour one in person? |
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by Graffiti Prints on May 20, 2013 20:41:37 GMT 1, umming and arring, shouldn't have slept on those gold colour ones Anyone seen the white colour one in person?
releasing some hand painted ones 3 x editions of 5 and 1 x edition of 2 on thursday this week getting pics back tomorrow and i will post here then. there beauties printed, then hand painted in bright acrylics then printed again in black uv ink to trap all his acrylic paint - here are a few pics i have now.
umming and arring, shouldn't have slept on those gold colour ones Anyone seen the white colour one in person? releasing some hand painted ones 3 x editions of 5 and 1 x edition of 2 on thursday this week getting pics back tomorrow and i will post here then. there beauties printed, then hand painted in bright acrylics then printed again in black uv ink to trap all his acrylic paint - here are a few pics i have now. |
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A.CE π¬π§ London Street Artist β’ Print Release , by alexnh123 on May 20, 2013 22:00:26 GMT 1, oh you tease. Maybe I'm glad I waited!
oh you tease. Maybe I'm glad I waited!
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